Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
PREIn our church we practice footwashing. It is done on an optional basis and is not considered a requirement for salvation or anything else but is considered a reminder of the example of humility and service that Christ taught us. We do it once a year around Easter but some churches do it

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
I agree with you I would call it a sacrement but I guess they use the words interchangeably. Apparently years ago it was a real issue between the Free Will Baptists in Tennessee and North Carolina. My church would be considered liberal by many FWB and many of our people are children of parents who

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/10/2002 9:05:14 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: 1 Tim. 5:10 states that footwashing is a good work. I don't view good works as an ordinance. To me it's a no brainer, but some denominations make it more than a good work. They make it equal to the Lord's

[TruthTalk] Definitions

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
1. Work Something we do to complete a task and it usually means something is received in return.I would say that doing good things as in works are a result of obedience to commands that Christ gave but they don't save us. I'd say good works are a natural result of following Christ 2.

Re: [TruthTalk] True or False Test

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/10/2002 4:52:15 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: True or False 1. Justification comes by Faith Alone (meaning only faith -- faith without good works) True but if the faith is sincere works SHOULD follow 2. A person who says he has faith but not good

Re: [TruthTalk] True or False Test

2002-10-10 Thread CHamm56114
PRESee you expected Glenn and I to answer the same way. Actually I don't find that much fault with his answers but I look at some of it differently. Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 9:57:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: Blainer, are there angels now, then? If so can you say where did they come from? Definately there are angels now and also demons. I really believe they do sprititual battle on my behalf! Call me

Re: [TruthTalk] Princess Laura!!!

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 12:29:17 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: Laura, believe me, I am not going to call you weird. Remember you are an 'angel' yourself, and as I suggested a few days ago, I'm sure you are a Princess among them. Do you mind me saying so???

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 6:29:13 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I believe the Christian ordinances are two: baptism and the Lord's Supper. I believe they are outward rites appointed by Christ to be administered in each church, not as a means of salvation, but as a

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 10:40:26 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Ah.come on now, Laura. Is the 3rd one "marriage"??? Nope You'd never believe it. Our denomination calls it an ordinance and I don't know if I agree but I don't have a problem with it

Re: [TruthTalk] Baptism and the Lord's Supper

2002-10-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/9/2002 11:02:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn to DaveL - See here is the difference between we united Christians and the divided Mormons. Laura is all wrong on the 3rd ordinance, but I think no less of her as a Christian because of it. She

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?---Part 2

2002-10-08 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/8/2002 4:39:14 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) I only follow JS because he was a true minister and disciple of Christ. Do you mean to tell me you never listen to anything or follow anything that comes from one of your ministers? I tend to

[TruthTalk] Poem

2002-10-08 Thread CHamm56114
Hey Blaine, That doesn't sound like Christlike love to me??? Is it a goal of Mormons to turn the hearts of those who profess to be Christian but not Mormon? What exactly does your ward/church teach about other denominations? Laura "May those who love us, love us, And those who do not love us,

Re: [TruthTalk] Poem

2002-10-08 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/8/2002 5:28:56 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You're going to hell Laura. But they don't call it hell. They call it the 3rd heaven. It sounds nicer that way. Thanks for the encouragement! Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Poem

2002-10-08 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/8/2002 11:04:28 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) ROTFL This was just a little humor, Laura. Nothing serious or doctrinal. Just a laugh to ease the tensions. Didn't you think it was funny? I think it originally came from an old sectarian

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-06 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/6/2002 8:37:16 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't really give a darn who Jesus was related to, I still would worship him and seek to become like him, because I want to be a God some day--some year--some eon--some billion quadrillion years from now

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?---Part 2

2002-10-06 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:28:41 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ? Do you therefore believe free will operates on those who have nothing to do with the bible, but not with those who have control of the Bible? Free will is the ability of a human to make a choice on

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-06 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:29:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: As he says, he is a Jealous God, and certainly wants us to emulate Him. He is offended when and if we worship false Gods, idols or the Devil, You think about it! Isn't following Joe boy (as Glenn puts it)

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-06 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/6/2002 11:28:35 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) So, where do you believe these angels or spirits come from in the first place? Have they always been there, or are they creations of God? To put this in different terms, did they co-exist with God

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-05 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/5/2002 11:13:18 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) To Laura: I am basing this upon my assumprtion that God is the father of ALL spirits, and that Satan is a spirit. You are calling Satan a "fallen angel." What is an angel, by your definition?

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-04 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/4/2002 8:07:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The reason it is simple is because -- if Jesus had children they would be half Gods. This just doesn't compute in my mind. If Jesus had a family - wife/children etc Then why didn't he make mention of

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-03 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/3/2002 1:35:42 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) Where did you get the half-brother idea? If he was a brother, he was a full-brother. Jacob and Esau were full-brothers, but one was evil and the other was righteous. I don't know why that idea is so

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-03 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/3/2002 8:39:37 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Michael D: That's interesting. You are saying that we were all angels at one time and subsequently took on flesh. What authoratative LDS scripture references confirm this, if any... I'm still an angel! LOL

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-10-03 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 10/3/2002 9:17:32 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: I'm sorry to jump into your conversation with Blaine, Laura..but I'm really curious as to who you think created Lucifer? Satan is a fallen angel and a deceiver. You are being deceived by Satan

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-26 Thread CHamm56114
Now we have folklore, astrology and mythology - I'm sticking with the Jesus of the BIBLE Laura The serpentine staff you're referring to is called a caduceus. It has Greek origins -- Hermes, the messenger of the gods, carried it as a symbol of peace. Ancient Romans and Greeks created the

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-26 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/26/2002 8:21:35 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't forget the secret organization (which isn't secret anymore with the advent of the internet) Masons. Now we have folklore, astrology and mythology - I'm sticking with the Jesus of the BIBLE Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-21 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/21/2002 9:44:00 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Let the spirit guide you. Like the wind, the spirit comes from whereever it is, and goes whereever it will Sounds like a plan - I'll think about it. Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-20 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/20/2002 1:17:43 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: How do we know about darkness or anything else in the Americas at the time of the crucifixion? Laura DAVEH: Simple..You can read about it in the BofM. Oh really The BOM contains history of America in

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-20 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/20/2002 7:58:40 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Glenn - Agreed that division is wrong according to 1 Cor. I accept other denominations as Christians not because I agree with them on everything doctrinally, but because we have the same Father God. While it

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-20 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/21/2002 12:36:28 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those who do not have a covenantal relationship will find themselves in the lower two levels after the resurrection.

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-20 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/21/2002 12:36:28 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Those who do not have a covenantal relationship will find themselves in the lower two levels after the resurrection. Sorry about the blank post - I'm not sure why it sent. I'll bite What is a covenantal

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-19 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/19/2002 12:52:20 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: What do you think of those churches that DO practice it, Laura? Do you think the Lord condones such practices??? There are a lot of "protestant" churches that do not teach salvation as I understand

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-19 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/19/2002 5:09:39 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura do you not trust Joe Smith with your eternal destiny? NOPE my trust is in Jesus Christ. I don't trust any living person with my eternal destiny? Sorry if that is not the answer you were looking for!

Re: [TruthTalk] Joe Smith's immorality

2002-09-19 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/19/2002 5:20:55 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, do you think you could cut JS some slack? Remember the Bible says, with what judgment you judge you shall be judged. THEREFORE, since you judge JS wrong for marrying all those girls and women

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 1:02:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been thinking about this Bible/BOM stuff a lot. It it conflicts with the Bible then it is wrong. Wouldn't you agree that the Bible has to be the main authority? DAVEH: No, I wouldn't totally agree

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 1:02:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AND if it doesn't conflict with the Bible then why do we/you need it? DAVEH: We need the Lord's revealed word (Scripture is how I would define it, and not just limited to the Bible) to help us understand

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 1:02:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just doesn't make sense to me. DAVEH: Do you remember the times when Glenn said the Bible was 'silent' on specific topics? Do you really think God doesn't want us to know the answers to some of those

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 1:02:27 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I can't put my confidence in a book that denys the validity of the Bible. DAVEH: That is what Glenn wants you to think about the BofM. However, he taking a few passages and then spinning them to make it

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 8:52:53 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It isn't the material from the Bible that I question - it is the material that to me seems to conflict with the Word of God contained in the Bible. DAVEH: Do you have a particular example in mind? Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 8:57:06 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: Even IF they have both the BofM AND the Bible, they don't have "all" the scriptures. I disagree Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-09-18 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/18/2002 8:59:07 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: As I have stated in the past, I believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. Yes I am aware of that Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?

2002-09-12 Thread CHamm56114
I know it but I can't help commenting - Dead men don't have rights! Laura Hold on Are you saying that a person can make the choice to choose salvation AFTER death? Can you give me a scriptural reference for this? Laura DAVEH: Here I am interrupting again, Laura. But I just want to remind you

[TruthTalk] Saved after death????

2002-09-12 Thread CHamm56114
Psa 1:5 Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, Nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous. Psa 1:6 For the LORD knows the way of the righteous, But the way of the wicked will perish. The way I read this then those who are dead simply perishThose who are dead w/o Christ

Re: [TruthTalk] Courtesy of My Son, Ross

2002-09-11 Thread CHamm56114
PREGreat poem Thanks for sharing and tell Ross that his poem is great. Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list,

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?

2002-09-11 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/11/2002 7:08:30 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But you don't accept the rest of the verse. You pull this verse out of context. THERE is NO where in the Bible that says a person will go to hell for not being baptized. There is also NOwhere in the Bible

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?

2002-09-10 Thread CHamm56114
PREYou give reasons for Baptism but where do you find reasons to get baptized for someone who is dead? That can't possibly save them so whats the point? You can't make the decision to be saved for someone else? Laura -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that

Re: [TruthTalk] [truthtalk] Re: Mormons and Christian Science is similiar

2002-09-09 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/9/2002 12:34:02 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: But..I'm trying to find out what you believe. At this point do you believe he currently has a body of flesh and bone, Laura? No Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] [truthtalk] Re: Mormons and Christian Science is similiar

2002-09-03 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 9/3/2002 12:15:34 AM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH: I again respectfully disagree. I worship the Lord. I believe Jesus is my Savior. I also believe Jesus died in my behalf, and was resurrected and now lives again. IMHO, that makes me a

[TruthTalk] Not By Works

2002-08-15 Thread CHamm56114
We are always talking about these verses and I thought this was a great explanation. Laura Your Legs Won't Get You There It was the first time we had taken our children to see Washington, D.C.. We had a six-year-old, a four-year-old, and-a not quite two-year old. The stop I remember most is

Re: [TruthTalk] Joseph and Mary

2002-08-10 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 8/10/2002 2:15:38 PM Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Blainer) And you call the SofS an inspired book? Sounds like some lovesick teenager's wet dream. Hey Blaine - The WHOLE Bible is inspired. God inspired the Bible. The BOM is NOT inspired. It was written

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