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John, I thought you didnt believe in the rapture? Worried now? Izzy
Well, for a minute or so, I was seriously reconsidering. The main problem I have with the "rapture" teaching is that it is so involved. My
. J ) Izzy
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Is Bill still lurking around? JudyT . Miller? ...
Raptured
DAVEH: With the bad jokes tonight,
In a message dated 4/7/2004 11:51:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
DAVEH: With the bad jokes tonight, RUPTURED would be more like it :-)
Hey, when I quite drinken, all my good jokes had to go.
J
John, I thought you didnt believe
in the rapture? Worried now? Izzy
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He was a devilDAVEH: Do you believe he was a
devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil saved?DAVEH: Not if he fails
endure to the end, as
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Hi William,
I have enjoyed reading some of your
comments--I appreciate you tryingto shorten your posts,since I
like reading short stuffbetter than long stuff. What I like best
though
DAVEH: Thank you, Kevin. BTW..Is there any good you can think of
Judas?
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Judas, He is a devil
Here is his pedigree:
He was NOT a believer!
Jn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not.
For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not,
Kevin Deegan wrote:
All I know is what scripture relates of him.
DAVEH: I understand. I was thinking you might consider looking beyond
how Scripture specifically denounces him and think of him as perhaps
Jesus saw him at the time he chose him to be an apostle. IOW...do
you ever see
There were things that could have been stated, but for the cause of the Apostles not being able to bear them. They were not revealed. What do you suppose those things were. Are they yet to be revealed how do you determine what they were?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: If god
Kevin wrote:
Are they yet to be revealed how
do you determine what they were?
Why are you asking me if the Bible alone is sufficient for you.
... ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. For the promise is
unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as
many as the
So you get truth from the Holy Ghost?
If you want to know truth on a subject, do you pray and ask?
Does He speak to you?
How exactly does this work?David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin wrote: Are they yet to be revealed how do you determine what they were?Why are you asking me if the
NoDave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into him.DAVEH: Do you think he was saved prior to that time?
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin Deegan wrote:HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so. Where
Kevin asks, "By
the way how did you become a christian or are you still working on
it?"
I reply, Kevin I hope you are not asking me in
vane.
I
grew up attending a Church of Christ in a small farming community. On most
Sundays there were fewer than fifteen people in attendance, and
In a message dated 3/11/2004 4:36:49 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
You missed an absolutely fascinating discussion on this very topic a few days ago. Maybe you can pick it up on TT's webpage. Anyway, thanks again.
Bill
Beans! How did I miss it? How do I get to the
Kevin Deegan wrote:
No
DAVEH: Is there Biblical evidence that brings you to that conclusion,
or is it an assumption on your part?
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into
him.
Beans! How did I miss it? How do I get to the webpage?
John
Go to www.mail-archive.com
Enter truthtalk in the box and click Find List (or press return).
Then click on the TruthTalk link.
There is usually a lag from time of posting until it appears in the archive.
Perry
Thank you William"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin asks, "By the way how did you become a christian or are you still working on it?"
I reply, Kevin I hope you are not asking me in vane.
I grew up attending a Church of Christ in a small farming community. On most Sundays there were
Judas, He is a devil
Here is his pedigree:
He was NOT a believer!
Jn 6:64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.
He was a thief
JN 12:6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he
In a message dated 3/12/2004 9:36:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Antichrist is the Man of sin son of perdition:
2 Thes 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son
Kevin Deegan wrote:
So the Devil could be saved if he endures to the end?
DAVEH: Just ignoring my questions again, Kevin? If Jesus' grace is
for ALL who endure to the end, then what do you think would be the
answer?
Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so. Where do Devils go?
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did Christ include Judas
Thanks for clearing that up Judy
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Did Christ include Ju
Because there is no salvation for angels. I covered this in a post a few
months back. I am sure it is in the TT archives.
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Charles
Kevin Deegan wrote:
HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so. Where do Devils go?
DAVEH: I think we understand that. The question I had is at which
point did he become a devil? Was he such before Jesus called and
ordained him?
Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing
that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected
Jesus Christ. That's how I read it. Bill
John: Looks like a tie. Bill is right.
We individually bear
the responsiblities for our sins. Our demise, if
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin Deegan
wrote:HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so. Where do Devils go?
jt: They go to spend eternity with the one they
serve.
DAVEH: I think we understand that. The question I
had is at which point did he become a devil? Was he
such before Jesus called and
quot; does not originate from above;
it finds its source and ground down here, somewhere close I fear, somewhere very
close to home.
Thanks,
Bill Taylor
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quot; does not originate from above;
it finds its source and ground down here, somewhere close I fear, somewhere very
close to home.
Thanks,
Bill Taylor
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In a message dated 3/11/2004 6:57:33 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Judas did confess to the sanhedrin that he had betrayed
'innocent blood' and he tried to give back the 30pcs of silver
It wasn't enough. He should have dealt with God. Too early
to go to the throne of
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only
thing that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally
rejected Jesus Christ. That's how I read it. Bill
John: Looks like a tie. Bill is
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected Jesus Christ. That's how I read it. Bi
eople study
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected Jesus Christ. That's how I r
He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into him.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kevin Deegan wrote:HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so. Where do Devils go?
jt: They go to spend eternity with the one they serve.
DAVEH: I think we understand that.
In a message dated 3/11/2004 10:39:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only way humans can perhaps change the destiny provided them in Christ's finished and perfected work, is to finally refuse their adoption in Christ.
This I very much believe. An absolutely great
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In a
message dated 3/11/2004 10:39:34 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The only way humans can perhaps change the destiny provided them
in Christ's finished and perfected work, is to finally refuse
Are you interested, Kevin, or are you up to
something else?
Bill
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Did I miss the testimony of how you
ssage -
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The only thing that sends Judas to hell, then, is Judas, if indeed Judas finally rejected Jesus Christ. That's ho
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was A devil who became THE Devil when Satan entered into him.
DAVEH: Do you think he was saved prior to that time?
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Deegan wrote:
HE WAS A DEVIL!
Jesus told us so.
If only Judas could have endured one more moment?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote: DAVEH: Sinners.yes. Lost?.Can one be lost if he endures to the end? YESDAVEH: Now let me ask you, Terry.Do you believe one can be saved if he does not endure to the end?--
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devil
DAVEH: Do you believe he was a devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil saved?
DAVEH: Not if he fails endure to the end, as did Judas.
As a tangential question Kevin.Do you believe Jesus' grace can
apply to one who has been
So the Devil could be saved if he endures to the end?Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devilDAVEH: Do you believe he was a devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil saved?DAVEH: Not if he fails endure to the end, as did Judas. As a tangential question
Message -
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devilDAVEH: Do you believe he was a
devil when Jesus chose and ordained him?
Is the Devil
as finally rejected Jesus Christ.
That's how I read it.
Bill
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
He was a devilDAVEH: Do you believe he was a devil when J
I hope so.
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The question is can the devil get saved?"Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTEC
it.
DAVEH: Thanx for your thoughtful comments, Bill.
Bill
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There is no salvation for angels.
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Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 18:54:06 -0800 (PST)
The question is can the devil get saved?
Wm. Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Did
From: "Wm. Taylor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Did Christ include Judas in his death? Did He die
for him?
I think, unless we want to go into a discussion of
Limited Atonement,
we must conclude that He did. What then, if Christ
took Judas down
with Him in death, would preclude him from
Salvation?
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
There is no salvation for angels.
DAVEH: Why do you say that, Perry?
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JOKESTER, OPINIONS, LDS,
True Terry,
But it does get frustrating - at times it feels like wading
through
molasses, just going round and round and never getting any
place.
Maybe you need to share about your wife again - that was
really
encouraging :)
judyt
God allows the devil to raise up hereticsto make his people
Hi Terry,
I think working out our own salvation takes a lifetime and learning
how to love is probably the most difficult because of the generational stuff we
all have to learn to overcome and none of us escape that.
It's more difficult using this means of communication because at
times
DAVEH: Sinners.yes. Lost?.Can one be lost if he endures to the end?
YESDave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Terry Clifton wrote:
Look at how the
apostle Paul dealt with a similar situation in Acts 13:10 he said "O full of
all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of
:
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The deepest questions are those which penetrate to our
ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise a regulative
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: Sinners.yes. Lost?.Can one be lost if he endures to
the end?
YES
DAVEH: Now let me ask you, Terry.Do you believe one can be saved if
he does not endure to the end?
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ftit alone. I
figured it would have to stand or fall pretty much on its own
weight.
Bill
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
so I leftit alone. I figured it would have to stand or fall pretty much on its own weight.
Bill
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Kevin Deegan wrote:
I am sorry, thatI do not fi
I like these scriptures - all of them and IMO speaking the truth to someone
IS
loving them even when they don't appreciate it. I someone on the
radio
quoting Martin Luther who once said "Whenever the devil is challenged
he
starts weeping and talking about love"
judyt
God allows the devil
Judy Taylor wrote:
I like these scriptures - all of them and IMO speaking the truth
to someone IS
loving them even when they don't appreciate it. I someone on
the radio
quoting Martin Luther who once said "Whenever the devil is
challenged he
starts weeping and talking about
Is that what you would call what goes on here Terry? I know
Kevin's style (and mine at times) is kind of cut and dried but I have
come
to appreciate the time he puts into doing his homework and his
zeal for
God's Word. Going through all that Mormon stuff must be
so boring;
how does one
Subject: [TruthTalk] Questions set the
tone
Is that what you would call what goes on here Terry? I
know
Kevin's style (and mine at times) is kind of cut and dried but I have
come
to appreciate the time he puts into doing his homework and
his zeal for
God's Word. Going through all t
Judy Taylor wrote:
Is that what you would call what goes on here Terry? I know
Kevin's style (and mine at times) is kind of cut and dried
but I have come
to appreciate the time he puts into doing his
homework and his zeal for
God's Word.
Look at how the
apostle Paul dealt with a similar situation in Acts 13:10 he
said "O full of
all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil,
thou enemy of all
righteousness wilt thou not cease to pervert the right
ways of the Lord"
Then there was Peter with the newly
Terry Clifton wrote:
Look at how the
apostle Paul dealt with a similar situation in Acts 13:10
he
said "O full of
all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil,
thou enemy of all
righteousness wilt thou not cease to pervert the right
ways of the Lord"
to hearing from you often. Thanks for the post. And I think you are asking the right question. Do you care to weigh inon where you stand?
Bill
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or start acting like you believe it has some meaning.
Bill
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WT says I for one can attest to the fact
See Blaine you need to listen up we h
The deepest questions are those which penetrate to
our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise a regulative control over
our knowledge in any sphere. These are questions as to the framework of thought
with which we operate and, from which we put our questions. They are questions
HUH ??
vincent j fulton
On Sat, 6 Mar 2004 10:42:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The deepest questions are those which penetrate
to our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise a regulative control
over our knowledge in any sphere. These are questions as
what nature did Christ assume at His Incarnation? Lance
He took on the form of a man
He was still fully God
He took on a human nature NOT a SIN nature.ce Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The deepest questions are those which penetrate to our ultimate assumptions or beliefs and which exercise
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The deepest questions are those which penetrate
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