From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Judy
wrote:Bill we need to give credit where credit is
due. I am using spiritual words to communicate spiritual truths and
both of these come to me by way of the Holy Spirit. Not the Nicene
Fathers.
I think the principle that you have lost sight of i
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 2:20 PM
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> Judy wrote:
> > Bill we need to give credit where credit is due.
> > I am using spiritual words to
In a message dated 3/12/2004 3:28:17 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
If Jesus Christ speaks through an ass or Athanasius, why should it matter? It's his prerogative. Drink deeply.
Bill
Ok, Ok --- its just that if original thought is still possible, the judyt could have co
ius, why should it matter? It's his prerogative. Drink
deeply.
Bill
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In a
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In a message dated 3/12/2004 1:23:51 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Everybody has been impacted by those who have gone before us.
True but this does not mean that we are, therefore, incapable of arriving at conclusions that "given" to us apart from this history. if
DaveM says Does your knowledge of the words you use come ONLY by way ofthe Holy Spirit? If so, then why did he teach you English and notHebrew? Why not other languages?
because we have a english bible. If He taught us Hebrew we could not read our bibles.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Judy wrote:
> Bill we need to give credit where credit is due.
> I am using spiritual words to communicate spiritual
> truths and both of these come to me by way of the
> Holy Spirit. Not the Nicene Fathers.
I think the principle that you have lost sight of is that none of us
have lived in a va
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
NKJ Colossians 2:3 -- "in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom
and knowledge."
jt: "and of Christ in whom are hid all the
treasures of wisdom and knowledge" Same as "I
(Christ) am the Way, the Truth, and the Life" noone comes to the Father
but
treating me like I am?
Bill
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From:
Judy
Taylor
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Sent: Friday, March 12, 2004 6:57
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Subject: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy, you wouldn't even know the w
From: "Wm. Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Judy, you wouldn't even know the word "person" were
it not for the early fathers.
It didn't exist before them. They are the
ones who invented it.
jt: Oh? And did the Nicene Fathers
also come up with Colossians 2:3 also?
Why can't you be glad they cr
riday, March 12, 2004 5:02
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Subject: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Dear Kevin and
Judy,
We are having problems communicating because of two faulty
assumptions.Following are two assumptions that need to be examined:
1
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Dear Kevin and
Judy,
We are having problems communicating because of two faulty
assumptions.Following are two assumptions that need to be examined:
1. Does God's Word equal The Bible? My answer: No.
jt: My question then is, where are you going
David Miller wrote:
Terry wrote:
You might want to rethink this David.
A pillar is used to hold something up.
It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse
means that the church upholds the truth
contained in the Word. It does not establish
the Word. It simply lives and teaches
Terry wrote:
> You might want to rethink this David.
> A pillar is used to hold something up.
> It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse
> means that the church upholds the truth
> contained in the Word. It does not establish
> the Word. It simply lives and teaches what
> the scriptures r
Sort of like the verse that says the Apostles are the foundation.Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You might want to rethink this David. A pillar is used to hold something up. It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse means that the church upholds the truth contained in the Word. It does
Do you have "LIGHT" based experiences?
David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man who comes into the world, even those who have never read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history as well as in the Bible.Kevin wrote:> The thought of Christ being h
You might want to rethink this David. A pillar is used to hold
something up. It "upholds". In my opinion, this verse means that the
church upholds the truth contained in the Word. It does not establish
the Word. It simply lives and teaches what the scriptures reveal
thro
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man
who comes into the world, even those who have never
read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history
as well as in the Bible.
Kevin wrote:
> The thought of Christ being here
> or there is chilling to me.
Judy wrote:
> It's chilling to me al
My answer yes
How about the BIBLE word "scripture" for those fanatics out there that are worried about biblicists & stuff.
The church & the Apostles & tradition are AUTHORITIES with one caveat!
They must align with the word!
Is 8:20 if they speak not according to this word there is NO light i
Dear Kevin and Judy,
We are having problems communicating because of two faulty assumptions.
Following are two assumptions that need to be examined:
1. Does God's Word equal The Bible?
My answer: No.
The Bible is God's Word, but God's Word is not the Bible. God's Word
includes much more th
From: Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man who comes into
the world, even those who have never read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found
in history as well as in the Bible.
Thanks Judy for pointing out.
jt: By what authority do you say Jesus Christ
DavidM says He is the light that lighteth every man who comes into the world, even those who have never read the Bible. Jesus Christ is found in history as well as in the Bible.
Thanks Judy for pointing out.
jt: By what authority do you say Jesus Christ is found everywhere? He is and has always b
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> The truth is
that history is a body of knowledge from which all of us interpret and
understand truth, > including truth found in the Bible.
Kevin wrote:> I do not interpret the truth of the bible through
the lense of history. I interpret history thr
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Re: [TruthTalk] The value of history
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get if you've done
both?
Judging from what they are teaching in college these days, I would
suspect that you would get a lot of conflicting information.
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:20:18 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks he knows it all.
good one Some will jump on you for the "a .." word but I am sure you meant it in the biblical sense.
John
In a message dated 3/10/2004 5:13:25 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
What do you get if you've done both?
go to heaven?
John
Yeah, I here you. What about the good schools
though?
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:33
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get
Wm. Taylor wrote:
What do you get if you've done both?
Judging from what they are teaching in college these days, I would
suspect that you would get a lot of conflicting information.
Terry
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better understand truth
an
Just kidding, just kidding.
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From:
Wm. Taylor
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Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:37
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The value of
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I think I figured it out. Some wise ass who
thinks he knows it all
I think I figured it out. Some wise ass who thinks
he knows it all.
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From:
Wm. Taylor
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 6:30
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
What do you get if you've done
What do you get if you've done both?
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From:
Terry Clifton
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 5:15
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] The value of
history
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better under
Let me ask you this, John. Do you think we can better understand truth
and life through a knowledge of history? Answer this and maybe I can
better understand where you are coming from. One thing for sure, what
you said struck a chord of resonance with others here, so maybe there is
so
In a message dated 3/10/2004 3:21:37 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Answer this and maybe I can
better understand where you are coming from.
Look, I think we are having a semantics problem here more than anything. In its context, I stand by what I said. Now, if the co
This is the core of the problem, you are essentially a Mormon in sheeps clothing.
JN 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
JN 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; b
John Smithson wrote:
> Wow -- David my friend Where have you gone?
> I was referencing spiritual truth more than anything
> when I made my statement "I am educated by the Word,
> I am entertained by history."Entertainment includes,
> in this case, the joy and validation I feel
David Miller wrote:
> The truth is that history is a body of knowledge
> from which all of us interpret and understand truth,
> including truth found in the Bible.
Kevin wrote:
> I do not interpret the truth of the bible
> through the lense of history. I interpret
> history through the lens of
In a message dated 3/10/2004 6:27:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin has made several arguments about how the Book of Mormon has no
historical basis and therefore should not be trusted. If we accept the
idea that history has entertainment value but not educational value
Powerful, David, Preach it!
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From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 7:24 AM
Subject: [TruthTalk] The value of history
> John Smithson wrote:
> >> I am educated by the Word
DavidM says: The truth is that history is a body of knowledge from which all of usinterpret and understand truth, including truth found in the Bible.
I do not interpret the truth of the bible through the lense of history. I interpret history through the lens of TRUTH the HOLY BIBLE.
Why should I
From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>John Smithson
wrote:>> I am educated by the Word; >> I am entertained by
history.Judy wrote:> Truly wisdom from above
Terry wrote:> What a great line Is that original? Can
I steal it?
Why is it that those who say such things always seem to be t
John Smithson wrote:
>> I am educated by the Word;
>> I am entertained by history.
Judy wrote:
> Truly wisdom from above
Terry wrote:
> What a great line Is that original?
> Can I steal it?
Why is it that those who say such things always seem to be those who are
least educated in history
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