cd: I'm getting the message that I should get tougher on these sinners and false lusting prophets:-)
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From: ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/14/2005 12:50:19 PM
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Youll have to ask the LordHe
cd: You are right on the money sister-hang in there:-)
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/14/2005 2:47:22 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Then it is past time to do some more figuring Lance
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 15, 2005 06:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
cd: You are right on the money sister-hang in there:-)
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc
- Original Message -
From: Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/15/2005 1:03:57 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
I've yet to seeKevin comment on Blaine or DaveH personallyDAVEH: Does calling another TTer a LIAR qualify as an ad-hom attack, Judy?
cd
Let's get this straight Lance - You were trying
to tell me in a delicate way that I am deceived - and when I didn't bite you
changed it to "fancy theologian" Why not
just be up front like Dean and call me a liar? Why the constant games? And
what's worse is that you don't ever speak only
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 15, 2005 06:47
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Let's get this straight Lance - You were
trying to tell me in a delicate way that I am deceived - and when I didn't
bite you changed it to "fancy
theologian
But above all things, my brethren, swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth, neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay; lest ye fall into condemnation.A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Let's get
r theology to have been 'fancy'? I WOULD SAY SO, YES!
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From: Dean Moore
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 15, 2005 06:15
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
cd: You are right on the money sister-hang in there:-)
- Original Message -
From: J
13, 2005 21:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
I do not agree, Iz. In fact, I would say not very
perceptive at all. There are sins of commission and there are sins of
omission, and it is not too hard to find one or the other in any post on
TT. I stand by my statement
:
[TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Because
others may have a critical and jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean
there is sin in the object
or focus of
such criticism - at times it means the person looking needs to work
ptive,
jt. iz
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TaylorSent: Tuesday,
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[TruthT
self. IMO, those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN do not!- Original Message - From: Terry
Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 13, 2005 21:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes I do not agree, Iz. In fact, I would say not very perceptive at all
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
those who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN
Are there Christian perfectionists on TT?All those that are WITHOUT
SIN raise your hands
Lance Muir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Terry:I believe
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Because
others may have a critical and jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean
there is sin in the object
or focus of
such criticism
Cats are out of the bag. It was just obvious from
reading them, wasn't it?
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:29
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Gary Bill JD?
WOW I never
ieve themselves to be WITHOUT SIN do
not!
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 13, 2005
21:22
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:30
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
And let's add those who believe they are HONEST yet
are only willing to see the other guys faults .
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 04:22:33 -0800 (PST) Kevin Deegan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
those who
it... - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 07:22 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motesthose who believe themselves to be WITHOUT SIN Are there Christian perfectionists on TT?All those that are WITHOUT SIN raise
I've answered this in a subsequent
post.
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From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 07:49
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Doesn't this make you one? For you must be W/O sin to cast
I see. Is this then the sin of the parents, or the world, or the
parson with low esteem?
How would this condition add to or subtract from one's ability to do
what Jesus suggests in the sermon on the mount? I am too lazy to look
it up but it seems to me that He came to town meek and lowly,
There are two on TT who regularly write reflecting
humility. I'm suspect of one of them but, that's because I don't,
perhaps.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 08:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all
about your opinions orme.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:51:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Let me attempt something, Judy. WITH WHAT
FREQUENCY THEN, DO YOU EXHIBIT THIS 'TRUE HIMILITY'?
From: Judy Taylor
True
14, 2005 09:11
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all
about your opinions orme.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 08:51:53 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Let me attempt something, Judy. WITH WHAT
FREQUENC
Possibly any or all of what you mention and yes it does
keep one from wholeheartedly laying down their life for
others and causesthe heart to be less than
pure. I'm sure a lot of the behaviors you observed as a prison
guard
were the result of these kinds of issues. The
enemyover the years
ut, that's because I don't,
perhaps.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 08:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
I see. Is this then the sin of the parents, or the
reflecting humility. I'm suspect of one of them but, that's because I don't,
perhaps.
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 08:14
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
I don't agree but then I'm sure this is no news to
you.
When I cite scripture - you either receive it by faith
as God's Word or you read it as a dead letter
depending on what you have going on in your own
heart. Truth is apprehended by faith whereas
IMO you are more attuned to human reason.
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Sent: December 14, 2005 09:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
I don't agree but then I'm sure this is no news to
you.
When I cite scripture - you either receive it by
faith as God's Word or you read it as a dead
This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.OR Lance's opinions OF you and others! that is a different list called People talkJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.On Wed,
Lance, I honestly do not know what you see or what you
believe other than the theologians
you approve and a list of other professing
Christianswho are orthodox and see things similarly.
As for David, Kevin, Izzy, Terry, Dean et al. We
may not get every detail exact but so far as I can
tell
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Sent: December 14, 2005 09:25
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
I don't agree but then I'm sure this is no news to
you.
When I cite scripture - you either receive it by
faith as God's Word or you read it as a dead letter
If you haven't noticed so far Lance, what good would it
do me to try to explain at this late date?
Guess this is why the prophets always said "Let him who
has ears to hear."
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:00:39 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Should I happen to cite the Matthean
)?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 10:21
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Now if you had said Joseph Smith
Brigham Young your observation may have
Ignorance, thy name is Judy!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 10:28
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
You say the words Lance but your actions say
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your
beliefs then, I am criticizing your person
No you wouldn't be because you don't know my
person. What you are talking about is religious/racial
bigotry
which is a misnomer. It is possible to love the
person and reject their belief.
Actually ignorance is a form of knowledge
And since God's Word is the wisdom that comes
from above and you are the one with the human
theological mediators ... I would say your observation is more true foryou
Lance.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 10:37:52 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
to be about all you've got goin' for ya..- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 09:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and MotesThis list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.OR Lance's opinions
in' for ya..- Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 09:44 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and MotesThis list is called Truth Talk Lance. It is not all about your opinions orme.OR Lance's opinions OF you and others! that is a diff
You wear your beliefs on your sleve!Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personNo you wouldn't be because you don't know my person. What you are talking about is religious/racial bigotry which
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Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re:
[TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Because others may have a critical and
jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean there is sin in the object
or focus of such criticism - at times it
means the person looking needs
You really don't get it do you? If I were to criticize your beliefs then, I am criticizing your personOK so we should not criticize beliefs. But criticizing the person is OK in your book Good ol Self Refutin Lance...Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're on seems to be about all
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 13:34
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Meaning that all evangelism and preaching the gospel
should cease because we can not be
critical of anyones beliefs because this is
criticizing them personally?? IOW let
Every deceived person believes themselves to be
"in the truth"
Deceived people don't know they are deceived -
this is the nature of the beast.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 13:43:47 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I, for one, have no difficulty at all criticizing
the'deceived' as
That, Judy, is what I've been attempting to say,
apparently with minimal success.
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 13:46
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 13:57
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
And I've been attempting to say to you that
there is such a thing as objective truth a light that shines
into the darknes of the unregenerate
Actually ignorance is a form of knowledge I have thought all along that this was a viable definition for some of you on the far right. now, at long last, it is confirmed.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Actually ignorance is a form of
Then it is past time to do some more figuring Lance
because you have missed the boat so to speak.
I am not about trying to explain God which is the
Church Father/theologian forte. If He does not illumine
His Word to you - then there is nothing I could say or
do that would help.
Hey out
No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is Deegan's demon spirit indwelling my computer -- No?
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
JD why do I get two (2) of everything
eptive, jt.
iz
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorSent: Tuesday,
December 13, 2005 3:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSp am] Re:
[TruthTalk] Beams
If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer
it is there because you permit it JD.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed
this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is
Deegan's
lory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSp am] Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Because others may have a critical and jaundiced eye does not necessarily mean there is sin in the object
or focus of such criticism - at times it means the person looking needs to work on their own beam.
I sent it to your computer.
jd
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is there because you permit it JD.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No -- my comcast
check again JD - it is still working with you and
yours.. No problem here!!
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:16:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I sent it to your computer. jd
From:
Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your
computer it is
this is a second posting from you.
-- Original message -- From: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
If any demon spirit is indwelling you or your computer it is there because you permit it JD.
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:01:29 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
No -- my comcast
truth' do they not?- Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: December 14, 2005 13:34 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and MotesMeaning that all evangelism and preaching the gospel should cease because we can not be critical
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Lance,
Do you believe yourself to be "in the truth"?Lance Muir
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
I, for one, have no difficulty at all
criticizing the'deceived' as you put it, Judy. The difficulty is that some
who are,
In computers they are daemons[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:No -- my comcast connection must be doing it. I noticed this morning a post that was sent three times. I figure it is Deegan's demon spirit indwelling my computer -- No?jd-- Original message -- From: Judy
testing 1 2 3 testingJudy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: check again JD - it is still working with you and yours.. No problem here!!On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 20:16:41 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:I sent it to your computer. jdFrom: Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] If any
How ironic Lance; you are constantly asking me these
kinds of questions.
So why are they suspect when they come your
way?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:10:33 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Is this a trick question, Deegan? After John
connecting you with demons in his computer, I
Is everything you write to TT a joke
Lance?
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nothing ironic here, Judy. I was havin' a little
fun with Kevin. Is 'fun' a secular work or, may it contain a 'spiritual
component'? I opt for the latter.
As for fun having a spiritual component - of course,
all of it does; the question is - What spirit
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 16:43:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Nothing ironic here, Judy. I was havin' a little
fun with Kevin. Is 'fun' a secular work or,
may it contain
ROTFLOL!!
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 14, 2005 16:53
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and
Motes
Is everything you write to TT a joke
Lance?
On Wed, 14 Dec
- Original Message -
From: Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/13/2005 9:22:58 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
I do not agree, Iz. In fact, I would say not very perceptive at all. There are sins of commission and there are sins of omission
cd: Well said and amen.
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/13/2005 9:54:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
According to your scale of measure Terry - and assuming you know everything
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 12/14/2005 9:57:41 AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
OR YOUR OPINIONS OF BLAINE DAVEH THAT'S CALLED ANTI MORMONISM!! Come to think of it, Kevin, this so-called anti-Mormon kick you're
Dean Moore wrote:
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Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To:
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent:
12/13/2005 9:22:58 PM
Subject:
Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
I do not agree, Iz. In fact, I would say not
very
over anyone's
thinkin' but yours
On Wed, 14 Dec 2005 09:50:32 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..
we do agree about what is
important - and that isthe authority of God's Word.
||
This list is called Truth Talk Lance
DAVEH: Is that is what is known as a misnomer???
Judy Taylor wrote:
This list is called Truth Talk Lance.
It is not all about your opinions orme.
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I've yet to seeKevin comment on Blaine
or DaveH personally
DAVEH: Does calling another TTer a LIAR qualify as an ad-hom attack,
Judy?
Judy Taylor wrote:
Now if you had said Joseph Smith
Brigham Young your observation may have carried some weight
Lance. However, I've yet to
Very perceptive, jt. iz
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Judy Taylor
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005
3:18 PM
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[TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
Because
ceptive,
jt. iz
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Judy
TaylorSent: Tuesday,
December 13, 2005 3:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re:
[TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
On Behalf Of Judy
Taylor
Sent: Tuesday,
December 13, 2005 3:18 PM
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Subject: [Norton
AntiSpam] Re: [TruthTalk] Beams and Motes
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in the object
better are you and Judy doing?TerryShieldsFamily wrote: Very perceptive, jt. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: [N
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Because others may
have a critical and jaundiced eye does not necessarily m
h better are you and Judy doing?TerryShieldsFamily wrote: Very perceptive, jt. izFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 3:18 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgCc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject:
Could you explain what you mean by self rejection?
Judy Taylor wrote:
Hi Terry,
I don't know that any of us would say that
they are "self satisfied" in fact not even Paul himself said that.
What he did say is that he didn't know of
any sin but that did not mean he was
We have already established that I have failed the test Kev. Now we is
talkin' 'bout you.
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Doing your part to Edify?
"Let me know so that I can feel edified"
"Congratulations on doing so well."
Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Not
a tendancy, Kev. Just
Self rejection happenswhen children are either
rejected by parents or have overly critical parents. When
one israised in an unloving atmosphere they tend
to accept the lie that this is because they are unlovable making
it difficult to understand or receive the love of
God.
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