, 2003 12:22 AM
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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day
Izzy et al,
You
wrote:
I
just think that when I
miscarried,
years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person.
I
look forward to meeting that Person in heaven.
Thanks
for sharing your experience
open minded that your brains fall out.
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 5:36 PM
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Izzy wrote:
At what exact point would you
Izzy wrote:
If Mary had aborted Jesus, would she have
killed a Person or a non-Person?
Therefore, I deduce that a preborn human
being is a Person.
If Mary had miscarried early on, would that mean Jesus would have died prior
to the cross? Isn't it possible that the Spirit of Jesus did not get
In a message dated 1/23/2003 12:14:10 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mary had miscarried early on, would that mean Jesus would have died prior
to the cross? Isn't it possible that the Spirit of Jesus did not get
imparted into the fetus until sometime after the fetus had
: Thursday, January 23, 2003 12:11 PM
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Izzy wrote:
If Mary had aborted Jesus, would she have
killed a Person or a non-Person?
Therefore, I deduce that a preborn human
being is a Person.
If Mary had miscarried early on, would
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Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
David, Good questions, and I don't know. I just think that when I
miscarried, years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person. I look
forward to meeting that Person in heaven. Izzy
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Maybe this will answer some of the questions. laura
Blood Circulation in the Fetus and Newborn
How does the fetal circulatory system work?
During pregnancy, the fetal circulatory system works differently than after birth:
The fetus is connected by the umbilical cord to the placenta, the
G'day Izzy et al,
You wrote:
I just think that when I
miscarried, years ago, and very early on, that I lost a real Person.
I look forward to meeting that Person in heaven.
Thanks for sharing your experience. I hope you realise your dream and
wouldn't want to disabuse you.
Just for completeness,
a photo
of yourself to TT, we can observe it for any similarities. :-)
Izzy
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Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 12:35 AM
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Izzy wrote:
It is still a HUMAN BEING all the way;
no side-stepping can get around that.
It is on a continuum of growth and development
from the zygote phase onward.
At NO point on that continuum can you say
it changed into a Person.
How can you say with certainty that it did not change
G'day Izzy,
Izzy, you have introduced human being and really human.
David has introduced soul and spirit and cloning.
Shakespeare (not on the list) wrote What's in a name? A rose by any other
name would smell as sweet. However, in discussing issues, if there is no
agreement on the meanings of
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How can you say with certainty that it did not change
into a person at some
point along that continuum?
At what exact point would
you say that is? I say there is no exact point that you can POINT to. J
Suppose for the sake of
Izzy, you haven't
explained, from the Bible, what a human being is and
when they start.
Until proven otherwise, Ill
go with the from my mothers womb part.
Psalm 13913
For you created my inmost being;
you knit me together in my mother's womb.
You have clearly identified the
Izzy wrote:
At what exact point would you say that is?
I say there is no exact point that you can
POINT to.
I can't right now, but I would definitely not point to the point of
conception. I think it is either sometime around 40 days after conception,
or at birth when the first breath is
This is my belief Laura
Five signs of life in the womb:
1. Heartbeat
Modern technology can detect a baby's heartbeat eighteen days after conception.
That is only four days after most women miss a period and begin to suspect they are pregnant.
Most abortions are not performed until the
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On 21/1/03 3:35 PM, Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time. All
you
need to know now is that god put that human life
Peter,
I appreciate what seems to be your sincere effort to determine when life
begins. As a former Labor Delivery nurse I can tell you this: Prior to
birth if you tie off the umbilical cord, then you will learn the difference
between a Living and a Dead human being being born. It had the breath
On 22/1/03 2:15 AM, ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a former Labor Delivery nurse I can tell you this: Prior to
birth if you tie off the umbilical cord, then you will learn the difference
between a Living and a Dead human being being born. It had the breath
of life in it prior to
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Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 2:41 PM
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On 22/1/03 2:15 AM, ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
As a former Labor Delivery nurse I can tell you this: Prior to
birth
On 22/1/03 7:50 AM, ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Obviously the preborn infant receives the breath of life through its
mother until birth--if you cut that off (through the umbilical cord blood
supply), the child dies prior to birth. This happens frequently due to an
obstruction of
Peter wrote:
Whew!! Thanks for that. I thought you might have been
saying that somehow
the preborn infant was actually breathing air. Your
breath of life then
means indirect Oxygen transport through the mother's
blood in the umbilical
cord attached to the torso and not by direct
On 22/1/03 8:26 AM, ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's still oxygen. It still keeps that baby alive until it can reach outside
air.(Don¹t tell me you are determined to nit-pick.
Nit-picking is just another word for splitting hairs due to heard-hearted
unbelief. It¹s a tactic apparently
In a message dated 1/21/2003 4:27:55 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I saw snow on the ground once when I was driven across the Sierra-Nevadas
from Sacramento to Las Vegas. Apart from that I have difficulty with the
concept of actually living in such cold places. Maybe I
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I have asked the question when does human life become
a human person?
Peter, Are you saying that a human
life is NOT a human person? Then whattheheck is it??? Wouldnt you agree
that they are both HUMANS? (Im assuming that prior to your birth you
were
ShieldsFamily wrote:
Peter
wrote:
Whew!!
Thanks for that. I thought you might have been saying that somehow
the
preborn infant was actually breathing air. Your "breath of life" then
means
indirect Oxygen transport through the mother's blood in the umbilical
cord
attached to the
On 22/1/03 11:18 AM, ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Peter, Are you saying that a human life is NOT a human person? Then
whattheheck is it??? Wouldn¹t you agree that they are both HUMANS? (I¹m
assuming that prior to your birth you were not an aardvark.) Izzy
G'day Izzy, Laura et al
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Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day Guys,
I have asked the question when does human life become a human person?
--
Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you
ought to answer every man
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From: Peter Eyland [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 5:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Stand for the Unborn!
G'day Guys,
I have asked the question when does human life become a human person?
The Bible links a person's life with a breath from
On 21/1/03 3:35 PM, Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You do not need to know the answer to that question at bthis time. All you
need to know now is that god put that human life there with the intent that
it become a human person, and you have no right to mess with God's plan.
Some day
On 21/1/03 2:35 PM, Marlin Halverson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It might help me if you had your topics more bite sized.
My apologies Marin,
It seemed to me that David was starting further down the track than I
expected so I wanted to bring you up to speed.
Hebrews 7: 9-10
³One might even say
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