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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/14/2006 12:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006 09:03:37 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
, January 14, 2006 1:59
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Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
DM:
We are all helped on hearing that which you do
not believe, David. We are not helped insofar as knowing that which you do
believe on this most important of discussions. You ask questions
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Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Huh ??? I really hate to bring up a big word or three, but there really
is such things as economic trinity and immanent trinity
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 1:59
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
DM:
We are all helped on hearing that which you do
not believe, David. We are not helped insofar as knowing that which you do
believe on this most
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 7:35 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Thanks at least for being true to who you are. How? By answering a question
with another question. Do you play poker, DM? You might make a good card
counter.(i.e.'Rain Man
from the constant
sniping when others speak on the matter. Do you not agree?
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From: David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 15, 2006 08:18
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, you may not believe me
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Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2006 8:47 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Correct me if I'm wrong in my 'understanding' of you, DM but, I believe that
you've just answered with a resounding NO! Who was it recently who described
me as 'blowing smoke'? I can't say
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/13/2006 2:21:04 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
I don't believe you understand His nature at all Lance; also I fail to see why it is so
Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh,
it is Biblical, Gary. Philippians 2:5-9||
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Christ - incarnate God (Judy) myth (indeed, evidence s
it is Biblical, Gary. Philippians 2:5-9||
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy) myth (indeed, evidence suggests that you're a philosopher, also not a ve
o do
with his position; it was not a change in nature.
Lance
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From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
. Philippians 2:5-9||
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Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:02 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk]
Christ - incarnate God (Judy) myth (indeed, evidence suggests
that you're a philosopher, also
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 10:18
AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
the mindset in
which you dwell is that JC ceased to be God
this point is at
root level, Bro: e.g., Phil 2 is biblical, take it to the
ba
on this?
- Original Message -
From:
David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 14, 2006 13:47
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Lest anyone be deceived further by Gary's comments, let me clarify yet
again that I do
fied, both Lord and Christ.
David Miller.
- Original Message -
From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 12:09 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy 'what about Jesus made
Huh ??? I really hate to bring up a "big word " or three, but there really is such things as "economic trinity" and "immanent trinity." Function and essence.
I speak of essence and you quote passages that have to do with function. It appears that we do not disagree -- because we are not even
So Lance -
And I'm curious as to why you are always quoting Debbie
Sawczak, doesn't Mrs. Muir have anything
interesting to contribute? What exact quality do
you and "D" believe made the man Jesus divine?
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 06:21:30 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
From:
: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
So Lance -
And I'm curious as to why you are always quoting
Debbie Sawczak, doesn't Mrs. Muir have anything
interesting to contribute? What exact quality
do you and "D" believe made the man Jesus divine?
On Fri, 13 Jan
Could be some "folderol" as you call it would do her
some good; sounds like she is wound pretty tight.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 07:01:24 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Mrs. Muir is principal of a school of some 600+
students. She teaches a course on leadership at a local
cd: Lance what bearing do you view Jesus having that spirit "without measure" have on you statement?
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From: Lance Muir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/13/2006 6:21:25 AM
Subject: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
- Original Message
I've asked Lance what IHO made Jesus divine - a
question which has yet to be answered.
He did his customary thing which is getting off on some
personal issue which results in "put down"
and the important questions are
ignored.Criticism by itselfis destructive.
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006
Lance wrote: It was not the Holy Spirit"in" Jesus that made him divine, if it were then all believers would be equally divine.
Yes; this is what I thought to myself also when I read Judy's post about that.
D
cd: Lance and Debbie-what bearing do you view Jesus having that spirit
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made him
divine?
Since you say you know what it was not - can you now
tell me what it is?
judyt
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:40:21 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
Lance wrote:
It was not the Holy Spirit"in" Jesus
Sent: January 13, 2006 10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made him
divine?
Since you say you know what it was not - can you now
tell me what it is?
judyt
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:40:21 -0500
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I'm puzzled by your _expression_, Judy 'what about
Jesus made Him divine'.
It is not as ifhe were a man to whom
aspecial endowment were added or superimposed, 'making' him God.
He is divine because he
? It is God alone who saves, is it not?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
On Fri, 13 Jan
God alone who saves, is it not?
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
On Fri,
: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus exalted
in any way, after his crucifixion?
Does the following _expression_ by Peter also
puzzle you?
Acts 2:36(36)
Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
al Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
- incarnate God (Judy)
Dean
, how could his sacrifice avail for any more than just one
person?
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy
: January 13, 2006 14:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
I don't believe you understand His nature at all
Lance; also I fail to see why it is so important to you that he
be
God walking around on earth - why not allow him to be
as the scripture reveals
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
- incarnate God (Judy)
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
nuary 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ
- incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus
exalted in any way, after his crucifixion?
Does the following _expression_ by Peter
also puzzle you?
had to do with his position; it was not a change in nature.
Lance
- Original Message -
From: David Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus exalted in any way,
uch a one avail for the whole human race, let alone the whole cosmos? It is God alone who saves, is it not?
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 12:32
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnat
y 13, 2006 10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made him divine?
Since you say you know what it was not - can you now tell me what it is?
judyt
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 10:40:21 -0500 "Dean Moore" [EMAIL PROTECTE
. He ain't Clark Kent, Judy who needs only to remove his robe thus revealing his Superman garb.
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From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 10:49
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (J
.
- Original Message -
From: Judy Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: 1/13/2006 10:51:27 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Dean and Lance,
What exactly was it about jesus that made him divine?
Since you say you know what
Lance
- Original Message -
From:
David
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 13, 2006 13:19
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Lance, in your theology, was Jesus
exalted
that JC was God's
rep toyou--there ain't no wayyou mean that 'God is with
us'
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:48:23 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Those are not my words JD, that must have been what
you THOUGHT Judy said.
What does Emmanuel mean??
On Sat, 14 Jan 2006
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:32:04 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
..your _expression_, Judy 'what about Jesus
made Him divine'.
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He is God the Word from
eternity
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..that you yourself
uniquely possess correctly manage theGod-thoughts of
God
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:37:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
that JC was God's
rep toyou--there ain't no wayyou mean that 'God is with
us'
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 21:48:23 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL
which
translatesin context, alsodualistically,to:
He is [not] God the Word
from eternity
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:26:36 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:32:04 -0500 Judy Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 12:09:38 -0500 "Lance Muir"
..for
him
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:46:01 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
..that you
yourself uniquely possess correctly manage theGod-thoughts of
God
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 20:37:32 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
that JC was
God's rep toyou--there ain't no wayyou mean
Lance wrote:
... you will say that this somehow corroborates
Judy's view that Jesus was not God all the while
he was on earth (at least, I think this is what she
has implied).
I don't read her the same way that you do Lance.
Lance wrote:
Do you agree with her on that, then?
Yes/No.
Jesus
JD wrote:
What the verse does not accomplish is this:
it does not establish an event in which the
incarnate was not an equal partner.
1 Corinthians 15:27-28
(27) For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things
are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted,
myth (indeed,
evidence suggests that you're a philosopher, also not a very good one; that
there is no way the ff. is either true or biblical)
On Fri, 13 Jan 2006 22:54:33 -0500 "David Miller" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:[JC] had laid aside his divinity, meaning that he had laid
aside the
of the people.
(18) For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to
succour them that are tempted.
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 11:02 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy
Expert witness.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 08, 2006 16:41
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Lance you are doing it again; if Debbie
Gravity.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 08, 2006 18:33
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Christine - What a blessing you are, a breath
So what qualifies her? Why are you so sure she knows
the Truth?
On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:14:21 -0500 "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Expert witness.
From: Judy Taylor
Lance you are doing it again; if Debbie Sawczak is
so interested in what I am saying and doing
Ask DM as you appear to respect HIS
opinion.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 09, 2006 06:27
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
So what
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 09, 2006 06:27
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
So what qualifies her? Why are you so sure she
knows the Truth?
On Mon, 9 Jan 200
al Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: January 09, 2006 06:27
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
So what qualifies her? Why are you s
Bill wrote:
Judy has been quite elusive and, when not,
contradictory. I've asked her a very specific
question. We'll see if she addresses it or takes
the winding road yet again.
May I suggest that if she does not answer the question, that you consider
leading her into your own reflections
Lance you are doing it again; if Debbie Sawczak is so
interested in what I am saying and doing then why
doesn't she join the list and put in her two cents? ..
Don't answer that, I guess she doesn't need to when she
has you to do it for her - but you seeking out her
opinion is a complete and
Debbie wrote: She is neither learning nor teaching here but is doubtless fruitful elsewhere.You do not speak for all, Debbie. And I take offense at your comments here. I learn very much from Judy's posts. I cannot speak for Judy, but I believe she is learning much from her pressence
Christine - What a blessing you are, a breath of fresh
air
The apple doesn't fall far from the tree
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 15:14:24 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Debbie wrote:She is neither
learning nor teaching here but is doubtless fruitful elsewhere.You do
e think we
understand something, she abruptlychanges her position -- orso it
seems.
I'm all ears,
Bill
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From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:14
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 4:14 PM Subject: Re: Fw:
[TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)Debbie wrote:She is neither learning nor teaching here but is doubtless fruitful elsewhere.You do not speak for all, Debbie.
Hope all goes well with your schooling,
Christine.
Till next time,
Bill
- Original Message -
From:
Christine
Miller
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 5:11
PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ -
incarnate God (Judy)
Hello
Judy, you are a blessing to me. Today in church, the pastor taught from Mat. 7:7. And he said that the nature of the Kingdom of Heaven is to persevere, how the greek of "Knock and it shall be opened" is actually translated "Keep on knocking and it shall be opened." I admire your thick skin
verilysaid,
very well hedged
On Sun, 8 Jan 2006 16:35:35 -0800 (PST) Christine Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Judy.. I need to be more like you in that respect.
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Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
... I learn very much from Judy's posts.
Good, then perhaps you could explain to us Judy's understanding of God (the
makeup of the Trinity or Godhead) and Christ (the nature of his
[Y]ou guys keep constructing straw men arguments, claiming they are her's,
and then when it finally comes out that she doesn't believe what you have
been arguing all along that she believes, you think she has changed her
perspective.
Well, David, I am not one of the you guys you mention, as
y, January 08, 2006 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Christ - incarnate God (Judy)
Hello Bill,Thank you for the invitation, but I am not posting regularly on TT because of my school work. I am enjoying this subject, though. Jesus' role in the Godhead is an important topic, and I am hungry to
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