I hope not, since Mormons are not a part of Christianity. I don't think Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Christian Scientists were.
Most all denominations? Were Mormons included? Do you really mean MOST ALL
denominations?
Glenn wrote:
Many outstanding scholars and dedicated Christians
without current sin in their life agree the Bible does
not teach perfection.
Do you agree with the above statement?
I don't disagree with it, but neither do I agree with it. I simply do not
know. I can agree with a statement
Again, shame on you for your imperfectoin. You charge for your services. Judging motives is a sin.
The dots of love of money and NIV do not connect.
Note that today, the KJV is available freely in electronic form without any
need of payment whatsoever. The NIV is not free. One must pay, even
Glenn = But DaveL, it was a "fib" whether Blaine was talking about Joe Smith's popularity when he was alive or today. It "no never" changes anything.
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On Sun, 20 Oct 2002 19:21:54 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Blaine was referring to those who held opinions when
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
History
gives the facts that Joe Smith had many many many more that thought of
him as a villain when he was alive just as today.
DAVEH: I'm not sure why you think such, Glenn. Do you have
any specific statistics to support your opinion? You may or may not
be
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On Sun,
20 Oct 2002 19:21:54 -0700 Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
Blaine was referring to those who held opinions when JS was alive, while
you are thinking in current times.
what's the difference(?)
DAVEH:
The difference is that there is plenty of miscommunications in
I believe that the King James ONLY position is much better than the NIV is a
great translation position. I also think it is better than the anti-King
James Only position. :-) At least they are willing to believe the Bible as
written, but when you see-saw around the way you have with the Bible to
Glenn wrote:
You ... approach the Bible from a preconceived
position of perfection. That is why you can't see
what is obvious to me.
I never heard any doctrine of Christian perfection before I started living
it and teaching it. I read my Bible as a teenager. I wrestled with my own
heart
Thanks for the clarification. Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions or 200 Mormon divisions?
Glenn to Blainer -
That's not how I remember it. I remember you denying
Mormonism being divided. It was DavidM who brought
out the 130 divisions. I remember you admitting it. Then
I remember
Glenn wrote:
This is a paradox. Verse 9 explains verse 18.
To believe verse 18 proves the perfect doctrine
makes it contradict verse 9. Therefore I reject it.
There is no paradox to the person who accepts the concept of Christian
perfection. What is there to explain for the adherent to
These are loaded questions. ONE CAN ASK THE SAME QUESTIONS OF THE KING JAMES VERSION OF THE BIBLE translators and the answers are idential.
Frankly, I think KJ translators were cowards in that they did not have the guts to translate "baptizo" immersion since the King was sprinkled. I am not
David Miller wrote:
It is not an objective translation. The most obvious bias,
of course, is that fact that they excluded all denominations
that hold to the majority text position.
Glenn wrote:
Of course they did. And rightly so. I think this is why you
are weak on condemning the King
I'm reading a book right now called, ...by his own hand upon papyrus by
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I guess we just go in different crowds. Repentance has always been preached everywhere I have been, but NOT grace.
I think you have an idealistic view of the church goer. I have known many
church goers to get drunk and to commit fornication and adultery. Not only
among themselves, but even many
Blainer wrote:
You can paint an ugly picture of anyone, put horns on
them if you want to bad enough. It is called villification.
Agreed.
Blainer wrote:
Joseph Smith was a villain to many, a saint and
a prophet to many more.
That is debateable concerning how many fell into which camp. If
Hey Glenn. I just got some SPAM advertising something to those without
perfect credit.
If I told you that I had perfect credit, would you think that I was trying
to say that I had the absolute best credit, better than anyone anywhere, or
would you just think that it meant that there were no
Glenn wrote:
Do we know if there are 130 Mormon divisions
or 200 Mormon divisions?
I have not investigated this thoroughly, so I don't know. The fact that
there is between 100 and 200 is a lot, considering how recent this sect of
Christianity has sprung up. It's kind of like Joe Smith and his
Glenn -
If you live and continue to use the King James ONLY
you will have more and more problems with communicating
to people today just as you have had with me and the word
perfect; which you now admit is not perfect love, peace,
faith, etc. :-)
This is not some new admission. I told you
Hi David,
Yes it does help, and thanks for your time. However, it remains NOT an
easy issue to understand because there is apparently no black and white
answer--too fuzzy for such as me!
I can only say that I appreciate your constant insistence on living
without sin, because you are the only
Click here: Perfect, Perfection - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia
You are comparing apples and pumpkins.
Oh yea, one other thing. For a person to claim they are as perfect as Jesus is blasphemy to me. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. Jesus never did sin and He never will.
Hey Glenn. I just got some SPAM advertising something to those
Glenn wrote:
The major reference Cults Reference Bible defines cults:
A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations
or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT
ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH
CHRISTIANITY, BUT IT ALWAYS ENDS UP
DENYING THAT JESUS CHRIST
Glenn wrote:
Theory is not practice. Job was a sinner because
he claimed to be perfect. :-) Remember, if you
said if you claimed to be perfect you would not
be perfect.
Hello! Knock, knock. Glenn, are you sleeping over there? You're not
paying attention. :-)
I told you that Job did
If there was no need to translate batpizo then there is no need to translate any of it.
Glenn wrote:
The word baptized was not even translated.
I just don't have any respect for this.
I don't have much respect for what you are saying here. What you don't
understand is that men like King James
Wrong. Read who their Jesus is right below this.
Glenn wrote:
The major reference "Cults Reference Bible" defines cults:
A group of people polarized about the religious interpretations
or teachings of a specific individual or organization. IT
ALWAYS CLAIMS TO BE IN HARMONY WITH
Glenn wrote:
For a person to claim they are as perfect as Jesus
is blasphemy to me. All have sinned and come
short of the glory of God. Jesus never did sin and
He never will.
That is the point. If Jesus never sinned and he never will, then if he
lives through us, how can you possibly expect
Your spam email was spin. It was advertising. It was a lie.
No, I am not. You claimed that the modern use of the word perfect is now
different than when the King James translators used the word perfect. All I
had to do was get some SPAM e-mail to see that you were wrong about that.
The phrase
Glenn wrote:
The Bible teaches a laborer is worthy of is hire. If you
don't want to charge, that is fine, but don't condemn
NIV translators if they do. They are within the bounds
of the Bible to do so.
I don't have a problem with them creating a translation and charging money
for selling the
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