Re: [TruthTalk] further revelation

2002-12-27 Thread Terry Clifton
DaveH: If you go to www.mail2web.com , you can read all the mail on your home computer. Terry - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] further revelation DAVEH: Thanx

Re: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread Charles P. Locke
DavidH, I am in no rush...I can wait for your response. No, I did not see the History Channel special on the Bible. I would like to have watched it, but do not get the HIstory Channel. May I assume you watched it? Do you think it was, or at least made an attempt to be accurate, or was it

RE: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Some of us dont think that Catholics are usually Christians. Seems like a rarity to me. Usually they are adulterers and/or liars in my experience. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Well, then, I've had that myself more than once. I'm sure I'm not unusual for that! Sure you don't want to define your meaning again? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:39 PM To:

RE: [TruthTalk] The term Christian

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, For the sake of TT'ers, how about you choose a name for REAL Christians, so that we can all talk the same lingo without reinventing the wheel every time we use the word. How about we use the capitalized word Believers? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] The term Christian

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
The only problem I have with that is that there is a cult called The Way. They are the wrong way, but nonetheless, some would identify you with that cult. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Thursday, December 26,

RE: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Another nitpicker on TT. sigh Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits On Fri, 27 Dec

RE: [TruthTalk] further revelation

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Beach Be sure to apply sunscreen, as none of us sitting here in the snow would pity you too much if you got sunburned! J Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:13 AM To: [EMAIL

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread Charles P. Locke
I don't think I can change the meaning of a word because one person claims to have had a revelation. From: ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:19:26 -0600 Well, then, I've had that myself

Re: [TruthTalk] The term Christian

2002-12-27 Thread David Miller
Izzy wrote: For the sake of TT'ers, how about you choose a name for REAL Christians, so that we can all talk the same lingo without reinventing the wheel every time we use the word. How about we use the capitalized word Believers? Sure, I think that the term Believer readily refers to a true

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread David Miller
Gary wrote: you employed double negatives; i eliminated them both for clarity No, I did not employ a double negative. A double negative is where the same phrase has two negatives where one negative modifies the next negative. The two negatives you eliminated were from two separate phrases.

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: So a person can be a Christian and not follow Christ??? Yes. Trying to follow Christ, or thinking that you are following Christ, is not the same thing as actually following Christ. Many people will say, Lord, Lord, did we not do many wonderful things in your name? (Mat. 7:22).

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, Do you mean to tell me that the Holy Spirit has never given you information? Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:05 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law I

RE: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Laura, Then you are the one who thinks Hitler was a Christian! ROFL!!! Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 11:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is

[TruthTalk] Definition of Christian - long but interesting

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
The International Standard Bible EncyclopediaCHRISTIAN -Search This Resource   kris'-chan, kris'-ti-an (Christianos): 1. Historicity of Acts 11:26 2. Of Pagan Origin 3. The Christian Attitude to the Name 4. Was "Christian" the Original Form? 5. The Christians and the Empire 6.

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/27/2002 11:51:59 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Laura, Then you are the one who thinks Hitler was a Christian! ROFL!!! Izzy Not me You can't become a Christian any way other than salvation Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread David Miller
Laura wrote: Apparentlly our definition of Christian is different. I don't believe a person becomes a Christian by joining a church or even by saying they are a Christian. Does your church have church membership? Do you know of any churches that have church membership? Are there any church

Re: [TruthTalk] Is the Bible Complete?--Part 1

2002-12-27 Thread David Miller
On Thu, 26 Dec 2002 13:28:27 -0500 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: the priesthood of all believers [i]s taught by Jesus Christ. Gary wrote: where'd you get this idea? Matthew 23 for starters. Peace be with you. David Miller, Beverly Hills, Florida USA -- Let your speech be

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/27/2002 1:13:52 PM Central Standard Time, GJ Tabor writes: I'm asking YOU to tell me what religion they are. Suppose we consider a person who claims to follow Jesus Christ, who joins a church, is baptized by that church, attends it regularly and all that, but they are not

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/27/2002 1:13:52 PM Central Standard Time, GJ Tabor writes: So, then am I correct in understanding that they are NOT using your definition of Christian, but some other definition of Christian? Would you say that your definition of "Christian" is in the minority or majority?

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread Charles P. Locke
Izzy, I was waiting for you to ask that or a similar question. Thank you. Of course the HS has given me information. He has convicted me of my sin. He has shown me my need for a saviour. He has answered prayer by leading me to the right path...all of a personal nature. But he has never told me

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, Thanks. But I would still like to have a more concise definition from you now that you have said there is personal vs other kinds of revelation, if you don't mind. This might help us to define the kind of revelation the mormons claim to have. Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL

Fwd: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
Great post I agree totally The long and short of it is that there is more than one kind of revelation. Personal revelation is one thing, and I think that if we are walking in the spirit we receive such. But, anytime anyone starts out by saying "God told me...", I become suspicious, especially

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread Charles P. Locke
Izzy, please stick with me and read my entire post. I do not believe that Joseph Smith received any revelations from God. Either he made them up and subsequently came to believe them (perhaps in order to keep from being lynched by the large number of followers his little prank had collected),

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Perry, Well we certainly agree on THAT! The poor mormons are dupes of JS at best--may God save them by His mercy. However, I wonder if you cannot believe that the Lord could give further revelation in this day via the Holy Spirit which IS be in agreement with scriptures? I believe there are some

Re: [TruthTalk] FBI EYES

2002-12-27 Thread Marlin Halverson
My father sent me this. --Marlin Subject: FBI EYES http://users.chartertn.net/tonytemplin/FBI_eyes/ -- Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man. (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want

Re: [TruthTalk] a tree is known by its fruits

2002-12-27 Thread CHamm56114
In a message dated 12/27/2002 4:16:02 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is this what you mean when you call them heathens? Are they people who do not acknowledge God? No I don't mean that heathens are evil people but I think of them as nonbelievers. I think nonbelievers can be

RE: [TruthTalk] The Law

2002-12-27 Thread Charles P. Locke
Izzy, One of the tenets of Christian theology is that the canon of scripture is closed (as mentioned in Jude 3), and that there will be no more revelation of the kind Joseph Smith purports to have received, i.e., revelation that reveals anything more than the Bible reveals, contradicts the