Perry, Thanks. But I would still like to have a more concise definition from you now that you have said there is "personal" vs other kinds of revelation, if you don't mind. This might help us to define the kind of "revelation" the mormons claim to have. Izzy
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 1:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law Izzy, I was waiting for you to ask that or a similar question. Thank you. Of course the HS has given me information. He has convicted me of my sin. He has shown me my need for a saviour. He has answered prayer by leading me to the right path...all of a personal nature. But he has never told me that all Christian denominations are an abomination. He has never told me to go find some "gold" tablets and "translate" them. He has never told me to start a new church that is contrary to scripture. He has never told me to marry many wives, and that to not do so would damn me. He has never told my wife to shut up about polygamy or He would destory her. He has never revealed to me the need for a "temple", or told me to steal the secret ceremonies of the Freemasons and use them as endowments in a temple, or led me to make false prophecies. And most of all, He has never revealed to me anything that is contrary to the Holy Scriptures, that would contradict what the Apostles have already written in the canon of the NT. The long and short of it is that there is more than one kind of revelation. Personal revelation is one thing, and I think that if we are walking in the spirit we receive such. But, anytime anyone starts out by saying "God told me...", I become suspicious, especially if what they say God told them contradicts the Holy Scriptures. So, I believe that the HS is active in the world, busy guiding and working with believers, and this may even lead to large results in the world, but I do not believe God is revealing new revelation that is undermining his own church. How does that appeal to you? It validates your experience regarding revelation, but still maintains my point about "new" revelation that changes what has already been written. But it is all revelation, i.e., information from a supernatural source. (BTW, if JS truly did receive revelation (information from a supernatural source), and it contradicts scripture, then whom might we assume is the supernatural force from which this infomation came? Hmmm.) Perry >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law >Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 11:36:53 -0600 > >Perry, > >Do you mean to tell me that the Holy Spirit has never given you >information? >Izzy >-----Original Message----- >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. Locke >Sent: Friday, December 27, 2002 10:05 AM >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law > >I don't think I can change the meaning of a word because one person >claims >to have had a revelation. > > >From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law > >Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 09:19:26 -0600 > > > >Well, then, I've had that myself more than once. I'm sure I'm not > >unusual for that! Sure you don't want to define your meaning again? >Izzy > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Charles P. >Locke > >Sent: Thursday, December 26, 2002 10:39 PM > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] The Law > > > >The sense in which I am using revelation is information that comes to >an > > > >individual by divine or supernatural means. 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