Dave, in your post to which I responded, you use reason and the theoretical to completely change the reality pictured in the biblical scriptures. Here is what you wrote: It seems to me the main difference is that you believe it necessary for the pain to be inflicted on Jesus from a 3rd party to
the Mormon doctrine (official church doctrine) Christ's atonement
for the sins of the world.
DAVEH: As I understand it, the atonement took place in the Garden of
Gethsemane, and was finalized (sealed, so to speak) by Jesus' death on
the cross.
I'm certainly not an authority on this topic,
I see power in the cross. You see defeat.
DAVEH: The power of the cross as I see it was the ability of it to
actually bring death to Jesus. That is not to say that I don't
think Jesus had any power over the cross to prevent his death from
occurring on it. Quite the contrary.I think
I appreciate your comments, Dave. This helps me to better understand
what you have either been taught or come to believe. If I may, I would
like to take the liberty of pointing out some differences in our views.
I see Jesus sweating out the coming event in the garden much as I sweat
out a trip
that lied to Eve in the Garden?
Perry
From: Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Date: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 08:33:36 -0600
I appreciate your comments, Dave. This helps me to better understand
My thinking, too, jd. In fact, I wonder if Marlin
collects antiques. Marlin, do you hold onto the past in other ways,
too?
Blainerb
In a message dated 12/25/2005 9:57:09 A.M. Mountain Standard Time,
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Hello Marlin. Christmas has a very different definition
some differences in our views.
DAVEH: To boil it down, Terry..It seems to me the main difference
is that you believe it necessary for the pain to be inflicted on Jesus
from a 3rd party to make the atonement work. From my perspective,
Jesus took our sins upon himself and suffered because
Dave wrote:
some differences in our views.
I see Jesus sweating out the coming event in the garden
DAVEH: I understand your perspective on this, but for Jesus to
literally sweat blood worrying about what is to come seems a bit
oddeffectively, it would seem the anticipation is
-- Original message -- From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] some differences in our views.DAVEH: To boil it down, Terry..It seems to me the main difference is that you believe it necessary for the pain to be inflicted on Jesus from a 3rd party to make the atonement work.
The(biblical)fact is this: He died
on the cross at the hands of others.
DAVEH: I agree, John. What do you think caused Jesus to suffer so
much in the Garden of Gethsemane?
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some
differences in our views.
DAVEH: To boil it
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Sent: December 25, 2005 13:01
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Christmas!
Thanks for sharing Iz and I
do pray that all goes smoothly with the
move,
Our daughter with the kids, dog, hamster, and rabbit
arrived about midnightand she was up until the early hours
some TALK their faith.
You, Judy, LIVE it. Praise God for you.
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From:
Judy
Taylor
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Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 25, 2005 13:01
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry
From:
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Please let us know what you think of Narnia. Have a blessed Christmas.
Narnia was
delightful. Did you know that it was co-produced by one of his two step-sons,
who he raised after his wife, Joy, passed away? Iz
Amen. iz
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Sent: Monday, December 26, 2005
4:31 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry
Christmas!
Thanks for this Judy. I've noted an interesting dichotomy
over
David Miller wrote:
... a cross, the symbol of the death of
Jesus the Christ.
Dave Hansen wrote:
When I suggested similar, it brought a lot of
chastisement. Why do you suppose the difference?
Context. I don't think you understand the value of the cross. You raised
its issue from
If deegan is still around, could he give us some material on the Mormon doctrine (official church doctrine) Christ's atonement for the sins of the world. Or Blaine or DH? I don't care who does it, but I would be interested in a full and authoritive report.
The question DM ask's below -- I
We arent having Christmas
this year, due to having half of our belongings at one house, and half at the
other as we move. We never planned for our new home to be finished right
before Christmas! So, no tree or decorations. No gifts. No food in
the house. Just boxes and pandemonium in the
Please let us know what you think of Narnia. Have a
blessed Christmas.
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From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: December 25, 2005 08:44
Subject: [TruthTalk] Merry
Christmas!
We arent having
Christmas this year
1.) Christ 2.) Mass I
think we all know that "Christ" refers to God's Son Jesus. The word "Mass" comes
from Old English mæsse, a modification of
(assumed) Vulgar Latin messa from the Late
Latin missa, literally meaning
"dismissal"; as in at the end of a religious service. The Middle
Sent: December 25, 2005 10:33
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry
Christmas!
1.) Christ 2.) Mass I
think we all know that "Christ" refers to God's Son Jesus. The word "Mass"
comes from Old English mæsse,
a modification of (assumed) Vulgar Latin messa from the
I don't think so,Marlin. What some are saying is "Lets get drunk and
make an ass of ourselves at the Christmas party". Some are saying,
"Diamonds are forever". Others are saying, "More stuff will
make me happy".
Some kids will get way too much today. Others will get far too
little. Very few
Hello Marlin. Christmas has a very different definition around our house. I am not one who cares about the history or even the etimology of words and events that have taken on definitions of their own. It is a blessed time of year. We think of and even celebrate the birth of Christ, knowing that
uir
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 11:01
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry
Christmas!
Correction Marlin!! It ought to be spoken of as
The Catholic Faith. It (the Catholic Faith) is no more 'religion' than that
which YOU yourself practice. Do Y
Thanks for sharing Iz and I
do pray that all goes smoothly with the
move,
Our daughter with the kids, dog, hamster, and rabbit
arrived about midnightand she was up until the early hours
getting their Christmas
arranged for them. I am trusting the Lord that it will all come together
for
The Smithson kids are going to lead worhsip this evening at church. MaybeI can a picture or two of them and send them to the forum.
Anyway -- you all have a great day. We have a very busy day planned from hee on out.
G -- I am serious about the bat.
My highest regards ar with all of you
and the need for Jesus to be put to death, nobody would be
celebrating Christmas today.
Peace be with you.David Miller.
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From:
Marlin halverson
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Sunday, December 25, 2005 10:33
AM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Merry
DAVEH: When I suggested similar, it brought a lot of chastisement.
Why do you suppose the difference?
David Miller wrote:
.a cross, the symbol of the death of Jesus the Christ.
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Dave Hansen
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Wise words again from Rabbi Lapin!
Merry
Christmas is NOT OffensiveJews Should Protect Religious Freedom for
Everyone.
Rabbi Daniel Lapin
Toward Tradition
Well, December is
nearly here which means the dreaded C word is upon us.
Put politely, the
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