Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread davesik...@gmail.com
I didn't mind the size; cutting down on the bloat that has accumulated around this broadcast is something to be welcomed. Nor did I mind the lack of song and dance. To be honest, hearing the nominated songs, I could not have told you one from another even as they were playing. Now that original

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread PGage
Doubt anyone really thought that was spontaneous. I loved the song choice for the In Memoriam, much less maudlin and sentimental than usual, but still appropriate. I wonder how many people who were offended actually know the song? On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 7:49 PM Paul Murray wrote: > I only watc

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread PGage
I am not surprised to be in the minority on this, but a little push-back against the Compact Majority: 1. Marin is repeating a complaint on Twitter that simply is not true. They did have clips for; they never have clips for all or even most categories. I guess the biggest difference was for the ac

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread Paul Murray
I only watched the first 15-20 minutes, then watched the In Memoriam reel on YouTube. Based on what I saw and read, some of the experiments paid off, and some did not (spectacularly so). I'm impressed that they found new ways to screw up the In Memoriam reel. Bad song choice, terrible pacing,

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Still, Variety reviewer Caroline Framke agrees with many here: https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/oscars-review-academy-awards-2021-1234960324/ (link) B -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "TVorNotTV" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiv

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
ABC's Rob Mills Q&As with Variety's Michael Schneider... https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/oscars-order-da-butt-glenn-close-in-memoriam-1234960635/ (link) B Steve Timko, to MelissaP, April 26th: > The endless, bad, humorless speeches are a close second. Why were >> the winners and others allo

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread Adam Bowie
I'm not the biggest fan of awards' ceremonies in general but my main thoughts about this year's ceremony - which I watched bits of earlier today, with a fair amount of fast-forwarding because it's three hours... 1. Ratings of this year's awards must for the most part reflect the films - or lack of

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV
While they may not have the $$$ to compare with the networks, this seems like something E! would love to take on. David On Monday, April 26, 2021, 3:41:24 PM PDT, Kevin M. wrote: I can only liken it to the decline of beauty pageants; what once were the talk of the water-cooler, big r

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread Kevin M.
I can only liken it to the decline of beauty pageants; what once were the talk of the water-cooler, big rated, hyped, and dirt cheap to produce, pop culture has reduced them to the nothings they deserve to be. Eventually, the constant stream of bad press and public criticism is going to force the n

Re: [TV orNotTV] Experts: Michael Jackson honest about not abusing kids

2021-04-26 Thread PGage
Uh...never mind... On Mon, 26 Apr 2021 at 2:42 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV < tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote: > They scoured hours of footage of the entertainer for a new Discovery+ > docu, as of now apparently only available in the UK... > https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9512851/M

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread PGage
That seems unlikely, at least re Oscars, which even with a 58% drop in ratings would be the highest rated show on most any day of a regular week. What will almost certainly change, for Oscar and other main Awards shows, is the magnitude of the revenue stream they provide. If the Academy one year s

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread Kevin M.
I hesitate to make light of Covid, but it would certainly be an upside to the pandemic if one of the end results was an end to televised award ceremonies. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021 at 2:06 PM PGage wrote: > Looks like the LAT was right (and my optimistic prediction wrong) - Oscar > ratings down 58%,

[TV orNotTV] Experts: Michael Jackson honest about not abusing kids

2021-04-26 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
They scoured hours of footage of the entertainer for a new Discovery+ docu, as of now apparently only available in the UK... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-9512851/Michael-Jacksons-body-language-suggest-hes-telling-truth-refuting-child-abuse-claims.html (link) B -- You received th

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: “The Talk” on “The Hiatus”

2021-04-26 Thread 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV
Carrie Ann deciding to stay away for now... https://tvline.com/2021/04/26/the-talk-carrie-ann-inaba-leaving-2021-leave-of-absence-video/ (link, with tweetvid) B Steve Timko, to John Edwards, moi, and Joe Hass, April 14th: > The Talk returns minus Ozzy's wife. > > > https://www.poynter.org/new

[TV orNotTV] Re: Oscar Anxiety: April 25

2021-04-26 Thread PGage
Looks like the LAT was right (and my optimistic prediction wrong) - Oscar ratings down 58%, in the single digits (9.85M vs 23.6M last year). This worse that the Grammys, but (slightly) better than the Golden Globes. If next year ratings return to their pre COVID declining trend, we would expect th

RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: Elon Musk to host "Saturday Night Live"

2021-04-26 Thread Brad Beam
From: 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV [mailto:tvornottv@googlegroups.com] >There's not a chance in hell I'll watch this one. Either of them on the show >would be intolerable. Combine them and I have to wonder if Rockefeller Center >won't collapse into a black hole of terrible out of self-protectio

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread Steve Timko
On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 9:05 AM Melissa P wrote: > > > The endless, bad, humorless speeches are a close second. Why were > the winners and others allowed to talk so long? > > Everyone on camera was just plain dull. > I think the aim was for more intimacy, less spectacle. To return the focus to f

Re: [TV orNotTV] AP News: ESPN, NHL announce comprehensive 7-year agreement

2021-04-26 Thread Joe Hass
It's worth noting that Hockey Night In Canada reported this weekend that *Fox* was the leader for the second half of the package, with Apple picking up a little bit. https://barrettsportsmedia.com/2021/04/26/fox-reportedly-frontrunner-for-nhl-tv-deal/ https://twitter.com/richarddeitsch/status/138

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread Kevin M.
>From Marc Maron’s WTF email newsletter: I will say that this year’s Oscars seemed like the most honest ceremony in years. Because of the limitations and the choices that were made by the producer Stephen Soderbergh to make it intimate and sparse it came off as small. It felt like an in-house corp

[TV orNotTV] Dan Rather on today’s college journalists: ‘So smart it makes your head hurt’

2021-04-26 Thread Steve Timko
I don't know where Dan Rather is meeting these college journalists. Of the last dozen I have met, this describes one. TV journalists seem much dumber today than when I went to school. Take a look at this story from the Poynter Institute https://www.poynter.org/educators-students/2021/dan-rather-o

Re: [TV orNotTV] AP News: ESPN, NHL announce comprehensive 7-year agreement

2021-04-26 Thread Brad Beam
With the "Sports Business Journal" reporting that NBC has pulled out of the bidding, it appears that the secondary contract may go to the networks of Turner - perhaps with an appearance or few on CBS. https://twitter.com/Ourand_SBJ/status/1386721001430519812 _ _ |_>|_> Brad Beam- Belle WV |

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread Melissa P
I agree with just about everything Dave said. I tuned in at 8 pm ET, the start of the show, only to discover that the recordings of the 5 nominated songs were broadcast before 8 pm. If I want to see that footage, I guess I'll have to search for it online. That was what I found most annoying. Th

Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread Steve Timko
The opening was dynamic. I loved the music. The change of location was great. But I missed the funny opening. The Oscars, for me, are escapism. Humor is a grat escapism. So cut the walk in half and add humor. I wonder how many tuned out after the tone of the opening. On Mon, Apr 26, 2021, 3:50 AM

[TV orNotTV] Re: Oscars So Good

2021-04-26 Thread 'Dave Sikula' via TVorNotTV
In an opinion that I'm sure will shock no one, I thought it was one of the most inept and pointless spectacles I've ever witnessed, and will, hopefully, kill the Oscarcast for the future. There was almost nothing to recommend it. The format was dull, the speeches too long, and -- even moreso th