[TV orNotTV] Re: Letterman's blackmailer gets six months

2010-05-05 Thread Maybe
On May 4, 7:56�pm, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
 I guess we'll see, but I don't see how he'll be able to approach his
 own story without violating his plea agreement.


And he can't rely on any notes or evidence he was using to blackmail
Dave because the court ordered him to hand over the all the evidence
to his lawyer who was then supposed to give it to the court to be
destroyed.

So if he finds somebody to take his book, he only has his memory and
no true facts to use.

Maybe...and who is going to publish the book from a convicted
blackmailer?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread Dave Sikula
On May 4, 9:58 am, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

 The interviews are regularly the best part of his show (and I love the rest
 of this show). One of things I like about it is that, even while staying in
 his stupid conservative guy character, he makes it look like a genuine
 conversation between intelligent people. Yet he also regularly manages to
 end these short exchanges on a real exit line. The nature of most of the
 conversations, on both sides, makes me think it is unscripted and
 unrehearsed, yet the high percentage of too good to be true exit lines makes
 me think that somehow he has given many of his guests a head's up about the
 last question he is going to ask so they can wind it up. Do we know anything
 about this?

I don't disagree about the exit lines, but I thought Warren in
particular had a look of thoughtful surprise on her face before she
gave the answer that would be hard for a non-professional (or even a
lot of professionals) to fake, especially if she was delivering a line
she'd been fed.

My guess is that Colbert's improv training makes him especially
sensitive to listening to his guests and setting them up with
potential straight lines. When the guest is smart enough to take the
cue, he gets the effect he's after.

And for every guest like Warren, there are duds like the Salt
Institute lady who think they're there to deliver the funny, rather
than let Colbert do the heavy lifting.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread PGage
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote:


 My guess is that Colbert's improv training makes him especially
 sensitive to listening to his guests and setting them up with
 potential straight lines. When the guest is smart enough to take the
 cue, he gets the effect he's after.

 And for every guest like Warren, there are duds like the Salt
 Institute lady who think they're there to deliver the funny, rather
 than let Colbert do the heavy lifting.


I tend to agree with you. And you are right about people like the Salt Lady
- although that has its own kind of entertainment value. It was really funny
because she was so polished and PR professional, and the opposing guy was
kind of nebbish, yet he played his role on the show just right, and she was
so awkward. At least she got her food police line in about three times.

Actually, she is an even better case in point than I first thought, since
she clearly had some kind of prepared exit line for her segment that she was
trying to set herself up for, but she inadvertently said or did something in
her set up (I am forgetting what now) that Colbert thought was a good exit
line and he wrapped it up just as she was inhaling to deliver her prepared
line.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread David Bruggeman
This goes for most guests on the late night shows.  Unless you're a comedian or 
comic actor, feed the funny, don't be the funny.  If the host sets you up, 
great.  Just let them drive the bus.

David





From: Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com

And for every guest like Warren, there are duds like the Salt
Institute lady who think they're there to deliver the funny, rather
than let Colbert do the heavy lifting.

--Dave Sikula


  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread Kevin M.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:01 AM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This goes for most guests on the late night shows.  Unless you're a comedian
 or comic actor, feed the funny, don't be the funny.  If the host sets you
 up, great.  Just let them drive the bus.

The old saying used to be, Let Johnny tell the jokes.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Letterman's blackmailer gets six months

2010-05-05 Thread Tom Wolper
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Maybe maybeso...@aol.com wrote:

 Maybe...and who is going to publish the book from a convicted
 blackmailer?

All of them.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread Tom Wolper
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote:
 This goes for most guests on the late night shows.  Unless you're a comedian
 or comic actor, feed the funny, don't be the funny.  If the host sets you
 up, great.  Just let them drive the bus.

When Carl Pope was a guest on the Colbert Report, I remember him
saying or writing afterward that Colbert tells his guests to play it
straight, especially when Colbert's character says something stupid.

Tom

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Letterman's blackmailer gets six months

2010-05-05 Thread Kevin M.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:16 AM, Maybe maybeso...@aol.com wrote:

 Maybe...and who is going to publish the book from a convicted
 blackmailer?

 All of them.

I agree. OJ Simpson wrote two books, one of which was published and
another wasn't only because of the injunctions put forward by the
Goldman family.

This guy will tell his tale of woe, spin it, and certain elements will
like him for it.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: We Don't Have Any Pants On...

2010-05-05 Thread PGage
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Tom Wolper twol...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:01 PM, David Bruggeman bru...@yahoo.com wrote:
  This goes for most guests on the late night shows.  Unless you're a
 comedian
  or comic actor, feed the funny, don't be the funny.  If the host sets you
  up, great.  Just let them drive the bus.

 When Carl Pope was a guest on the Colbert Report, I remember him
 saying or writing afterward that Colbert tells his guests to play it
 straight, especially when Colbert's character says something stupid.


Which is one reason Warren is so good on that show.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: So Fox?

2010-05-05 Thread Michael
So? How about All FOXed Up!?

On May 4, 9:07 pm, Jim Ellwanger train...@ellwanger.tv wrote:
 On May 4, 2010, at 8:30 PM, M-D November wrote:

  I never really understood why NBC switched from their 2008-09 slogan,
  Chime In, to the aforementioned More Colorful - especially since
  they'd recorded a number of clever interstitials which played with the
  NBC chimes and seemed to understand that the network has a history.

 The nod to history with the More Colorful campaign is that they're running 
 a the following programs are brought to you in living color announcement at 
 the beginning of prime time.

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[TV orNotTV] Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Jay Lewis

http://nyti.ms/clgf6u
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[TV orNotTV] Wingnutty Cincy Radio Guy to Host Tribune TV Gabber

2010-05-05 Thread Mark J.
Bill Cunningham of Cincy's The Big One WLW, who got national
attention during the 2008 campaign by saying 'BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA
several times in a speech at a GOP rally, is shooting a talk show
pilot in Chicago at WGN for Tribune Broadcasting--if the pilot for
Willie (produced by Springer's old showrunner) clicks, it will air
on Tribune-owned stations and WGN America starting in January for
possible national syndication in Sept. 2011, as the Trib's return to
the syndication game after getting out shortly before Sam Zell and
Randy Michaels took over the Tribune Co. (and the Tribune Co. plunged
into bankruptcy):

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/towerticker/2010/05/tribune-broadcasting-taping-cunningham-talkshow-pilot-at-wgn.html#more

Cunningham was at WLW when Zell and Michaels' Jacor owned the station
(it's now owned by Clear Channel, where Michaels worked after Zell
sold Jacor to CC)--'LW was Michaels' first big radio triumph in the
late 80s, when he turned the sleepy old-school full-service MOR AM
station into a strange-bedfellows mix of hard rock and right-wing
commentators (over time, the music departed).  Right now, Michaels,
with the assistance of programmer Kevin Pig Virus Metheny, seems to
be trying to turn WGN Radio in Chicago into something like 'LW, to the
ire of many listeners and Rob Feder of Chicago Public Media's Vocalo,
who has a grudge against Michaels going back to his days at the Sun-
Times in the early 90s when ABC hired Michaels to turn Top 40 station
WYTZ into a copy of Michaels' infamous Power Pig format at WFLZ in
Tampa--and Michaels failed miserably, receiving special heat from
Feder for his last-ditch attempt at success by briefly renaming the
station Hell FM, with liners like go to Hell and this is Hell.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Mark J.


On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
 http://nyti.ms/clgf6u

This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female
demos at COM or CBS.

I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find
daytime talk formats that are working.  But Kilby is neither a solid
hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz)
or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't
(Wendy Williams).  I don't really see Kilby thriving in that
atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years
(and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like
Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former
Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Joe Coughlin
Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy
he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American
Ferguson.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:



 On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
  http://nyti.ms/clgf6u

 This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female
 demos at COM or CBS.

 I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find
 daytime talk formats that are working.  But Kilby is neither a solid
 hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz)
 or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't
 (Wendy Williams).  I don't really see Kilby thriving in that
 atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years
 (and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like
 Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former
 Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread David Lynch
Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 15:21, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy
 he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American
 Ferguson.


 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:03 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:



 On May 5, 2:43 pm, Jay Lewis lew...@nbnet.nb.ca wrote:
  http://nyti.ms/clgf6u

 This is all very odd, since I don't know if Kilby appealed to female
 demos at COM or CBS.

 I will say that the Fox-owned stations seem to have been able to find
 daytime talk formats that are working.  But Kilby is neither a solid
 hour of medical information with the Oprah seal of approval (Dr. Oz)
 or a gossipy hour with a woman who could be a drag queen but isn't
 (Wendy Williams).  I don't really see Kilby thriving in that
 atmosphere, but if Springer has thrived in daytime for all these years
 (and I suspect that the Bill Cunningham show will be more like
 Springer than the Boss Limbaugh TV show, especially with the former
 Springer showrunner's presence), perhaps Kilby could.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Kevin M.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
 dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

Given that Scottish Conan Guy achieved ratings in that time slot that
neither Snyder nor Kilborn could achieve, not sure I'd call Kilborn
much of anything.

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[TV orNotTV] Funny or DIE gets inside CoCo's head...

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey
...as he talks with Steve Croft... (all language is displayed,
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread PGage
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Joe Coughlin inturnaro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just a week after an interview was aired with him saying that he was happy
 he had left LLS. Well, welcome back to the Late Night Wars, American
 Ferguson.


It is odd - though they are emphasizing that this will not be a late night,
or even evening show.

In the AE piece he said that nobody understood why he walked away from LLS,
but that he was confident he made the right decision and very comfortable
with it. He said he was proud of his LLS, but that it had real limitations
on what it could be. He had a kind of secrative look on his face when he
said this, but the documentary chose not to push him on what specifically he
was talking about. They also had a female talent booker on saying that Craig
never understood why she kept saying it was boring to just keep booking
blond bimbos as guests every night. I am not sure if he meant that his
inability to book a blond bimbo every night was the limitation he wanted to
get beyond, or his desire to book blond bimbos was the limitation he wanted
to get beyond.

The report describes his new show as as a combination of a talk show with a
“nonpolitical ‘Daily Show.’ ”, but that sounds like they could have just
said they want to do a daytime version of his original Daily Show.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread David Bruggeman
My take is that they were trying to describe the new gig as a combination of 
his previous gigs.  While his Daily Show wasn't apolitical, it is a very 
different animal than TDS with J-Stew.  Non-political is probably a useful word 
to remind folks that it won't be like what they can see at 11 pm.

David





From: PGage pga...@gmail.com


The report describes his new show as as a combination of a talk show with a 
“nonpolitical ‘Daily Show.’ ”, but that sounds like they could have just said 
they want to do a daytime version of his original Daily Show.


  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Jay Lewis

I'm curious who will replace Craig in 4 years.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Jon Delfin
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
 dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

Can't we just ignore him? Please?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Bill Partsch
Ignore whom?

On May 5, 2010, at 8:41 PM, Jon Delfin wrote:

 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:
 Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
 dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.
 
 Can't we just ignore him? Please?
 
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Michael
On May 5, 1:29 pm, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 1:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:
  Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
  dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

 Given that Scottish Conan Guy achieved ratings in that time slot that
 neither Snyder nor Kilborn could achieve, not sure I'd call Kilborn
 much of anything.

How about calling him a smirking, uninformed, uncurious, narcissistic
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Wingnutty Cincy Radio Guy to Host Tribune TV Gabber

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey

He also has a Sunday night show distributed by Premiere Radio, they of
Limbeckity fame...he inherited the time slot, but not the web
following, of Drudge.



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[TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey

Bill Partsch, to Jon Delfin:
 Ignore whom?

Killer, I suppose, as Fergs as of now actually has a show...



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[TV orNotTV] AE upfront features Saget, Hoff

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey
BC: Saget appears to be trying the Zimmern idea, except not built
around food...

Hasselhoff is just doing a look-at-me... as is Dee Snider...

Tony Danza's teaching project apparently went through...

And over on Bio, Shatner where-are-they-nows famous names from the
headlines...

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[TV orNotTV] Fox changes its mind...

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/05/05/fox-planning-bid-for-olympics-coverage/

The picture is not (Sir) David Hill, but winter Games medalist Evan
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[TV orNotTV] Louis-Dreyfus' star effed up

2010-05-05 Thread Bob in Jersey
Aypee: She suddenly became part-Latina...and LOVED it...but they did
fix the spelling...

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread PGage
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:
  Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while,
 this
  dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

 Can't we just ignore him? Please?


I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never
gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked
him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him
host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread David Bruggeman
I'll check out the new show.  Until then I have no idea whether I'd like this 
iteration of Craiggers 6 times more than Leno or not.

FWIW, the two talk shows I've managed to see in studio were Leno and Kilborn 
(on LLS).  I liked them both fine, but I was there more to see a live taping 
than the specific hosts and guests.

David





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Sent: Thu, May 6, 2010 12:36:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs


On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Jon Delfin jondel...@gmail.com wrote:

On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 4:23 PM, David Lynch djly...@gmail.com wrote:

 Given that Scottish Conan Guy was Craig 2.0 around here for a while, this
 dictates that we go back to calling Kilby Craig 1.0.

Can't we just ignore him? Please?

I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never 
gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked him 
fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him host a 
show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Kilby Coming to Fox OOs

2010-05-05 Thread Kevin M.
On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 9:36 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
 I know there is a lot of animus against him on this list, but I have never
 gotten that. I liked him fine on TDS (but I like Stewart better); I liked
 him fine on LLS (but I like Craig 2.0 better). I would much rather watch him
 host a show for an hour than Leno for 10 minutes.

I liked him on Daily Show, but once he took over Late Late Show, I
realized I liked the format more than the persona. Kilborn was fine in
small doses -- ripping through goofy headlines and chatting with Kathy
Ireland was fine, but only when segments by other people (i.e.: Brian
Unger, Steve Carell, Stephen Colbert, A Whitney Brown, and Lewis
Black) limited his on screen time. Limiting Kilborn's exposure is the
key to his appeal. I found him excessively smug in his one hour CBS
show.

Assuming he is being honest and CBS wouldn't let him do certain things
in late night, I don't know who has fooled him into thinking he'll be
given more freedom in a daytime syndication deal. I don't think I've
ever worked with a crew more creatively stifled than Howie Mandel's
syndicated talk show, and my friends who worked on Martin Short's show
told me the same thing. There is an anticipated audience when the word
daytime is used -- and I know I'll offend people for stating this
but oh well -- you don't win them over with cleverness and creativity.

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