Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[Doug Eastick]

6 nights in Toronto was just announced.The country is now on pause, 
while people register at ticketmaster.ca for the lottery to buy tickets.



On Sunday, July 30, 2023 at 9:22:15 AM UTC-4 PGage wrote:

> Okay, so since this thread I have seen coverage of her two concerts in SC, 
> including several front page stories in the Chronicle.also, I have a second 
> hand report from the college age daughter of my best friend, who went last 
> night. The Chron said only the Super Bowl has had as much economic impact 
> on the area.
>
> Still, I have been pretty much protected from any Swift impact, and have 
> experienced more pop culture Barbie related waves in my personal real and 
> social media environment than Swift related.
>
> On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 at 12:54 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Santa Clara (home of Levi Stadium and neighbor to San Jose)  is 
>> officially going nuts over the two shows Swift is playing at the end of the 
>> month.  It is joining a few other cities that have designated Swift as an 
>> honorary mayor during her concert stop(s).  The city will also be renamed 
>> Swiftie Clara during the visit.
>>
>>
>> https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/taylor-swift-santa-clara-mayor/3275315/
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 07:13:08 AM PDT, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvor...@googlegroups.com> wrote: 
>>
>>
>> *Oy vey.*
>> B
>>
>> PGage, to Tom Wolper, July 17th:
>>
>> Is this the phenomenon you are talking about?
>>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[PGage]

Okay, so since this thread I have seen coverage of her two concerts in SC,
including several front page stories in the Chronicle.also, I have a second
hand report from the college age daughter of my best friend, who went last
night. The Chron said only the Super Bowl has had as much economic impact
on the area.

Still, I have been pretty much protected from any Swift impact, and have
experienced more pop culture Barbie related waves in my personal real and
social media environment than Swift related.

On Tue, 18 Jul 2023 at 12:54 PM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Santa Clara (home of Levi Stadium and neighbor to San Jose)  is officially
> going nuts over the two shows Swift is playing at the end of the month.  It
> is joining a few other cities that have designated Swift as an honorary
> mayor during her concert stop(s).  The city will also be renamed Swiftie
> Clara during the visit.
>
>
> https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/taylor-swift-santa-clara-mayor/3275315/
>
> David
>
> On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 07:13:08 AM PDT, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>
> *Oy vey.*
> B
>
> PGage, to Tom Wolper, July 17th:
>
> Is this the phenomenon you are talking about?
>
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

 Santa Clara (home of Levi Stadium and neighbor to San Jose)  is officially 
going nuts over the two shows Swift is playing at the end of the month.  It is 
joining a few other cities that have designated Swift as an honorary mayor 
during her concert stop(s).  The city will also be renamed Swiftie Clara during 
the visit.

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/taylor-swift-santa-clara-mayor/3275315/
David

On Tuesday, July 18, 2023 at 07:13:08 AM PDT, 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:  
 
 Oy vey.B

PGage, to Tom Wolper, July 17th:

Is this the phenomenon you are talking about?



  

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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

*Oy vey.*
B

PGage, to Tom Wolper, July 17th:

Is this the phenomenon you are talking about?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

 While a Taylor Swift show has been a hot ticket for a while, this tour seems, 
at least to me, a bit more intense in terms of everything going on with it.
As someone who goes to more than a few live shows every year - just not at 
stadiums - I know there's been a pent up demand related to the pandemic.  I've 
been going to more shows than I used to, and I think the system in place to 
handle all of this has been trying to take advantage of this increased demand.

Some of the Swift-themed activities (which I don't think happened that much 
during her last tour, but I don't know) may be a result of this, but I think 
there's more going on than that.  I'm at a loss to explain why.  I certainly 
know many of my friends (not all of whom have kids in the right demo) and my 
sister-in-law (a Katy Perry fan of long standing) were interested in this Swift 
tour that weren't before.  But her music, as best as I can tell, hasn't changed 
dramatically since she shifted out of country-pop into just pop.
David

On Monday, July 17, 2023 at 05:40:37 AM PDT, Tom Wolper  
wrote:  
 
 I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift phenomenon 
and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or trying to correct 
them, I need to describe it further.
First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed by 
young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and decide 
this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that their whole 
lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.
The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to her 
show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out 
immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation for 
the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered Taylor 
Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I remember 
when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years whatever phenomenon 
there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking lots. I don’t remember any 
act, no matter how popular, taking over the city this way.
On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage  wrote:

I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no meaningful 
take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at Starbucks also, 
and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that I despise it is 
irrelevant to whether that is a good product.
OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman who 
sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I first heard 
her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore hype, and she 
has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me than Swift, who comes 
across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I attribute the passion and 
size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the marketing.
On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:

 Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any other pop 
star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the public 
consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of 
entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone, one 
way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)

Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts does 
seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other groups of 
intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts tend to be 
smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than average career, 
depending on the expectations of the artists involved.

Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage usually 
tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond just analyzing 
which single is about which relationship to include tracking which current or 
potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended her latest show.  And 
it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in this period of more intense 
media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of her trajectory to replicate.
David

   On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper  
wrote:  
 
 The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if it’s a 
template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of obsessive fans, 
or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from the pop scene 
record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star as “The next 
Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:

Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand with 
her twelfth career #1 
longplayer...https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
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Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[Tom Wolper]

I don’t have an answer for that as it’s completely new to me. I been around
when fan intensive acts like The Dead and Jimmy Buffett came to town and
the atmosphere was nothing like this. The only thing that pops into my head
as explanation is from Chris Anderson’s book The Long Tail from around
2000. He said as media went from physical to digital there would be the
equivalent of infinite shelf space. So sales strategies for musicians and
authors would go from trying to sell to the largest general audience to
cultivating a dedicated fan base and sell ever more product to them. Taylor
Swift seems to have hit a sweet spot of a huge number of absolutely
obsessed fans.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 9:56 AM PGage  wrote:

> Are you saying this is a function of the number of fans she has, or the
> unique passion of those fans?
>
> I don’t know if she has ever had a concert in the Bay Area; if she has, I
> have never noticed this kind of phenomenon.
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 5:40 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:
>
>> I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift
>> phenomenon and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or
>> trying to correct them, I need to describe it further.
>>
>> First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed
>> by young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and
>> decide this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that
>> their whole lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.
>>
>> The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to
>> her show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out
>> immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation
>> for the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered
>> Taylor Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I
>> remember when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years
>> whatever phenomenon there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking
>> lots. I don’t remember any act, no matter how popular, taking over the city
>> this way.
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage  wrote:
>>
>>> I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no
>>> meaningful take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at
>>> Starbucks also, and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that
>>> I despise it is irrelevant to whether that is a good product.
>>>
>>> OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman
>>> who sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I
>>> first heard her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore
>>> hype, and she has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me
>>> than Swift, who comes across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I
>>> attribute the passion and size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the
>>> marketing.
>>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
 Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any
 other pop star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the
 public consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of
 entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone,
 one way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)

 Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts
 does seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other
 groups of intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts
 tend to be smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than
 average career, depending on the expectations of the artists involved.

 Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage
 usually tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond
 just analyzing which single is about which relationship to include tracking
 which current or potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended
 her latest show.  And it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in
 this period of more intense media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of
 her trajectory to replicate.

 David

 On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper <
 twol...@gmail.com> wrote:


 The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
 it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
 obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
 the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
 as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.

 On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
 tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

 Herb Alpert and 

Re: [TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

[Brad Beam]

Wiki says she’s at Levi’s Stadium at the end of the month.Sent from my iPhoneOn Jul 17, 2023, at 09:56, PGage  wrote:Are you saying this is a function of the number of fans she has, or the unique passion of those fans? I don’t know if she has ever had a concert in the Bay Area; if she has, I have never noticed this kind of phenomenon.On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 5:40 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift phenomenon and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or trying to correct them, I need to describe it further.First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed by young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and decide this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that their whole lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to her show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation for the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered Taylor Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I remember when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years whatever phenomenon there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking lots. I don’t remember any act, no matter how popular, taking over the city this way.On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage  wrote:I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no meaningful take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at Starbucks also, and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that I despise it is irrelevant to whether that is a good product.OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman who sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I first heard her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore hype, and she has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me than Swift, who comes across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I attribute the passion and size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the marketing.On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV  wrote:
Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any other pop star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the public consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone, one way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts does seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other groups of intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts tend to be smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than average career, depending on the expectations of the artists involved.Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage usually tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond just analyzing which single is about which relationship to include tracking which current or potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended her latest show.  And it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in this period of more intense media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of her trajectory to replicate.David



On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper  wrote:



The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV  wrote:Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/ (link)B







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2015... 
https://abc7news.com/stage-set-at-levis-stadium-pop-star-taylor-swift-sold-out-shows-santa-clara/930714/
 (link)
You're welcome.
B

PGage, to Tom Wolper, in part, July 17th:

I don’t know if she has ever had a concert in the Bay Area; if she has, I 
have never noticed this kind of phenomenon.

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['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Exactly. When I was in high school, enough kids around me in class thought 
the Stones were the sh-t.

Tom Wolper, to PGage, in part, July 17th:

First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed 
by young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and 
decide this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that 
their whole lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.

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[PGage]

Are you saying this is a function of the number of fans she has, or the
unique passion of those fans?

I don’t know if she has ever had a concert in the Bay Area; if she has, I
have never noticed this kind of phenomenon.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 5:40 AM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift
> phenomenon and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or
> trying to correct them, I need to describe it further.
>
> First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed
> by young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and
> decide this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that
> their whole lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.
>
> The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to
> her show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out
> immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation
> for the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered
> Taylor Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I
> remember when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years
> whatever phenomenon there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking
> lots. I don’t remember any act, no matter how popular, taking over the city
> this way.
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage  wrote:
>
>> I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no
>> meaningful take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at
>> Starbucks also, and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that
>> I despise it is irrelevant to whether that is a good product.
>>
>> OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman
>> who sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I
>> first heard her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore
>> hype, and she has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me
>> than Swift, who comes across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I
>> attribute the passion and size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the
>> marketing.
>>
>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any
>>> other pop star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the
>>> public consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of
>>> entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone,
>>> one way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)
>>>
>>> Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts
>>> does seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other
>>> groups of intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts
>>> tend to be smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than
>>> average career, depending on the expectations of the artists involved.
>>>
>>> Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage
>>> usually tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond
>>> just analyzing which single is about which relationship to include tracking
>>> which current or potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended
>>> her latest show.  And it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in
>>> this period of more intense media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of
>>> her trajectory to replicate.
>>>
>>> David
>>>
>>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper <
>>> twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
>>> it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
>>> obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
>>> the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
>>> as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
>>> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>>>
>>> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>>>  (link)
>>> B
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[Tom Wolper]

I didn’t know how much people have been exposed to the Taylor Swift
phenomenon and while I’m not disputing any of the earlier comments or
trying to correct them, I need to describe it further.

First, it’s not about the music. There will always be pop music performed
by young performers and people coming of age will bond with the music and
decide this is the best band/performer ever and probably stick with that
their whole lives. The rest of us just won’t get it.

The Taylor Swift Eras Tour came through Pittsburgh recently. Tickets to her
show sold out so quickly they added a second show and that sold out
immediately. But that’s not the phenomenon. What happened is anticipation
for the shows took over the city. Restaurants (note the plural) offered
Taylor Swift brunches and bars came up with Swift themed cocktails. Now I
remember when arena acts became stadium acts and in all those years
whatever phenomenon there was stayed limited to the stadium and parking
lots. I don’t remember any act, no matter how popular, taking over the city
this way.

On Mon, Jul 17, 2023 at 4:11 AM PGage  wrote:

> I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no
> meaningful take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at
> Starbucks also, and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that
> I despise it is irrelevant to whether that is a good product.
>
> OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman
> who sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I
> first heard her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore
> hype, and she has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me
> than Swift, who comes across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I
> attribute the passion and size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the
> marketing.
>
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any
>> other pop star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the
>> public consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of
>> entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone,
>> one way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)
>>
>> Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts
>> does seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other
>> groups of intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts
>> tend to be smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than
>> average career, depending on the expectations of the artists involved.
>>
>> Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage
>> usually tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond
>> just analyzing which single is about which relationship to include tracking
>> which current or potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended
>> her latest show.  And it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in
>> this period of more intense media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of
>> her trajectory to replicate.
>>
>> David
>>
>> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper <
>> twol...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
>> it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
>> obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
>> the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
>> as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
>> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>
>> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
>> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>>  (link)
>> B
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[PGage]

I’m so far outside the demo for Swift that in one sense I have no
meaningful take on her. I know millions of people love pumpkin lattes at
Starbucks also, and while the thought sets my teeth on edge, the fact that
I despise it is irrelevant to whether that is a good product.

OTOH, Swift is roughly the same age as Adele, another young white woman who
sings hyper personal break up songs. But I have loved Adele since I first
heard her on one of those free iTunes songs of the week, sans any ore hype,
and she has always seemed more mature and adult and genuine to me than
Swift, who comes across as a marketing confection to me. I guess I
attribute the passion and size of her fan base to the effectiveness of the
marketing.

On Mon, 17 Jul 2023 at 12:19 AM 'David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV <
tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any other
> pop star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the public
> consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of
> entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone,
> one way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)
>
> Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts
> does seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other
> groups of intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts
> tend to be smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than
> average career, depending on the expectations of the artists involved.
>
> Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage
> usually tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond
> just analyzing which single is about which relationship to include tracking
> which current or potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended
> her latest show.  And it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in
> this period of more intense media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of
> her trajectory to replicate.
>
> David
>
> On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper 
> wrote:
>
>
> The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
> it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
> obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
> the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
> as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>  (link)
> B
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['David Bruggeman' via TVorNotTV]

 Swift's been putting out albums since 2006, but I can't think of any other pop 
star who came out around the same time that has stayed in the public 
consciousness without diversifying or shifting into other arenas of 
entertainment or genres of music.  (I don't think she's impressed anyone, one 
way or the other, with her few non-music video acting roles.)

Having a fan army on a scale comparable to BTS or other Asian pop acts does 
seem unique to Swift outside of those acts.  Sure, there are other groups of 
intense fans of a musical act, but both the groups and the acts tend to be 
smaller.  That could certainly be sustainable for a longer than average career, 
depending on the expectations of the artists involved.

Maybe Swift has inspired her fanbase in part because her media coverage usually 
tightly links her personal life to her music.  This goes beyond just analyzing 
which single is about which relationship to include tracking which current or 
potential romantic partner was seen with her or attended her latest show.  And 
it's been happening for at least a decade.  Even in this period of more intense 
media scrutiny, this seems the hardest part of her trajectory to replicate.
David

   On Sunday, July 16, 2023 at 05:46:05 PM PDT, Tom Wolper  
wrote:  
 
 The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if it’s a 
template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of obsessive fans, 
or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from the pop scene 
record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star as “The next 
Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV 
 wrote:

Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand with 
her twelfth career #1 
longplayer...https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
 (link)B


  

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[Kevin M.]

It’s a formula, but it takes skill to pull it off. Among the best to set
the template for it is the Grateful Dead who made more money as de facto
cult leaders than they did as musicians. Madonna, Prince, and Lady Gaga
managed to be successful with both album sales and touring (Gaga was the
one who finally tipped the Dead in concert sales) as well as establishing a
rabid fandom. Several pop artists have worked it in the short term (Bieber,
Spice Girls, and even early acts like Elvis and the Beatles). What Swift
has done better than most is position herself to be a long term player. In
fifty years, Swift will still sell out stadiums, not necessarily because
she’s the best at what she does, but because she and her management know
how to adapt to changing times and to simultaneously attract different aged
audiences.

Personally I find her music utterly forgettable… not bad, but not good
either. Some bad music thrives as an earworm. Some bad music thrives
because of the character of the performers. Swift music is just innocuous
and barely worth criticizing… it is perfect for a dentist’s waiting room or
a SuperBowl halftime show, inasmuch as it can exist regardless of whether
anyone is paying it any attention. It is nebulous. It is pop personified.

On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 5:46 PM Tom Wolper  wrote:

> The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
> it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
> obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
> the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
> as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.
>
> On Sun, Jul 16, 2023 at 7:56 PM 'Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV <
> tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
>> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>>
>> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>>  (link)
>> B
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[Tom Wolper]

The Taylor Swift phenomenon is something I have never seen. I wonder if
it’s a template for the future, where pop stars can rev up armies of
obsessive fans, or if she is a one-time celebrity and after she passes from
the pop scene record companies and publicists will be pushing each new star
as “The next Taylor Swift” but it will be clear that’s not the case.

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tvornottv@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand
> with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
>
> https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
>  (link)
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[TV orNotTV] ItllBeOnTV: Tay-Tay first woman with four albums in top 10 on Billboard 200

['Bob Jersey' via TVorNotTV]

Herb Alpert and Prince also achieved the feat. She also passed Streisand 
with her twelfth career #1 longplayer...
https://variety.com/2023/music/news/speak-now-chart-taylor-swift-first-woman-four-albums-top-10-1235671562/
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