Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Raffi Krikorian
hi dewald. we obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first (the use of popular is unfortunate here). and the web interface of search.twitter.com has begun an evolution in that direction. it's still unclear what Twitter is going to do with the API (hence the silence),

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Dean Collins
But raffi why do you have to break the old to offer the new? Basically I've just updated MyPostButler to work again after your last unannounced changed the Thursday evening before a holiday break only to open my email this morning and see you are going to modify search api yet again in some

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Dean Collins
I think twitter forget that API developers are there customers as well, not end users. At the end of the day if this make my app unviable then you'll lose this development community as a developer and pretty improbable to ever get us back. I've never funded another application on the Adobe

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Allan Hoving
Doesn't this always happen? Paths diverge (usually around money but sometimes around principle) and then it gives rise to something new? Allan Hoving http://www.thefrequency.tv On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 7:28 AM, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Raffi, Tweet id is a no-brainer. We

RE: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Dean Collins
Ha ha, love it. I feel sorry for other developers, for me personally I can walk away from my app at anytime as I see fit because I'm not reliant on any single project. lol MyPostButler (or MyTwitterButler as it was known back then) was given away for the first few months - It was just a

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread znmeb
- Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: hi dewald. we obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first (the use of popular is unfortunate here). and the web interface of search.twitter.com has begun an evolution in that direction. it's still unclear what Twitter is

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread znmeb
- Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Raffi, Tweet id is a no-brainer. We understand that an linear incrementing number does not scale because at some point it must cycle back to 1. Search is a different animal. When I do a Twitter search, I expect your system to tell me what

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Marcel Molina
If you have no interest in seeing old tweets then pass the parameter that indicates that you want to strictly see the most recent tweets (the legacy behavior). You get what you want and those who are interested in more signal amongst the ever increasing noise can find out the

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Raffi Krikorian
But raffi why do you have to break the old to offer the new? we do our absolute best not to do so. as i mentioned in some previous thread - we do reserve the right to add things to the XML / JSON / etc. outputs -- so, please make sure to have parsers that can handle that. for me, that

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Raffi Krikorian
We obviously feel that users want the most relevant tweets first. Has this been determined and confirmed with user focus groups, or is this just an opinion that originated somewhere in a Twitter office or meeting room? twitter does run user studies. yes. I am one of those users, and I

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Nigel Legg
On 6 April 2010 17:27, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: our search and relevancy algorithms are constantly changing. we take in a slew of signals like engagement or conversation around tweets, and use that to pull it higher in search results. whether we will provide the exact

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Abraham Williams
On Tue, Apr 6, 2010 at 09:31, Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: all in all - i hope a lot of you are coming to chirp, as i would absolutely happy to have this conversation in person over some beers :P How about orange juice for those of us who don't drink? :-P Abraham -- Abraham

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread M. Edward (Ed) Borasky
On 04/06/2010 09:31 AM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: all in all - i hope a lot of you are coming to chirp, as i would absolutely happy to have this conversation in person over some beers :P Black coffee for me, decaf if we're doing this at the hack session / unconference ;-) -- M. Edward (Ed)

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Taylor Singletary
Hey everyone, My job title doesn't matter much. I do what I can and what needs to be done, whether that's being a contributing programmer on upcoming platform features, thoroughly testing an API before launch, analyzing implementations for spec compliance, communicating to and with the developer

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-06 Thread Andrew Badera
Taylor, Your job title very much does matter. Any respectable public/open API publisher needs to be concerned with the needs, wants and feelings of their developer community. If you are part of Twitter's effort to address this concern, then you need to be doing certain things. If you are not,

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-05 Thread Raffi Krikorian
to clarify (from my personal view), what taylor has provided to the team is a clear view into what developers want / think / feel -- basically, a pulse on the developer community. he's doing a fine job. and for these particular issues, not only has he conveyed the feelings of our community, but

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now a

2010-04-05 Thread Cameron Kaiser
to clarify (from my personal view), what taylor has provided to the team is a clear view into what developers want / think / feel -- basically, a pulse on the developer community. he's doing a fine job. and for these particular issues, not only has he conveyed the feelings of our community,

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now a

2010-04-05 Thread Raffi Krikorian
consider this an acknowledgement and a response, then :P these are two pretty big issues (tweet IDs and popular tweets in search). and the silence has been because we're working really hard behind the scenes to make sure we, ourselves, have weighed all the options on the axes i laid out, and we

Re: [twitter-dev] Re: What Exactly is a Developer Advocate? (was Re: Opt-in beta of Popular Tweets for the Search API now available)

2010-04-05 Thread znmeb
- Raffi Krikorian ra...@twitter.com wrote: • popular tweets in search - twitter is increasingly being relied upon to be the place for relevant real-time information. most end-users would say that a time indexed search stream is not as valuable. as you all can probably tell, keeping a