[twitter-dev] Re: Comparing Friendship
Interesting! - thanks for sharing. As they say, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. I've just been followed by someone selling business cards. They are following 51,000 and are followed by 54,000. Well, I doubt they are reading many of those tweets, they are too busy selling business cards. Their own stream consists of recycled aphorisms and I doubt many people are reading that. Funnily, three people we follow also follow them, but this can only be due to auto-following. It's all meaningless, and worse, it's a waste of resources. When Twitter is having capacity issues I can't help but think of that. It's also too bad when one's following list is just a mirror of one's followers, because following lists can be a great source of new accounts to follow. The list of accounts we follow is likely to interest our followers, and we now make it available as a Twitter list that can be followed. My observation is that carefully curated followings are the best lists on Twitter. We'll soon be releasing our tool that lets anyone grab a following and make a followable list from it. Of course, the following has to be less than 500, but that's about the maximum number of accounts I could follow... On Sep 30, 5:19 pm, D. Smith emai...@sharedlog.com wrote: It's important to unfollow someone who unfollowed you. I must emphasize here that I am not talking about unfollowing someone who is not following me, but only those who used to follow me, then unfollowed. In this case it's very important to unfollow them right away. This is important because otherwise the schemers that follow you, then get a follow-back and then unfollow you win. Remember kids: if you don't auto unfollow-back that the terrorists will win. And that's not a good thing. Also if you want to follow over 2000 people you must keep you following/followers ratio really tight and that's why I would need to unfollow people who are not following me back. It's really simple. There are good ways to follow and read messages from many thousands of people. One way is to separate them by lists and then read lists instead of your main timeline. second way is to you other third party clients that lets you filter by keywords and stuff like that. I want to follow people with common interests and that common interest happens to be I am interested in following people who follow back When I follow someone I basically giving that person a chance to sell me something. I say, fine, but you give me a chance to sell you something too. I may still follow a few accounts that are so important to me that I will follow them even though I know they don't follow back, but that's just a handful of people. On Sep 28, 12:03 pm, Ken D. k...@cimas.ch wrote: Hey Rick, It's the second time in a week that someone brings up the autofollow/ unfollow question (see also:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/msg/b7b1dfbf6...) and I would love to understand the follow economy once and for all. First of all, you say that if someone is following you, you will follow back, but if they are not following, you will unfollow. If you are not yet following them, do you mean that you would block them? What is the use case for auto-following, and why would it be so important to unfollow users who do not follow back? Is there a cost? Are those users' tweets less interesting if they aren't following you? I mean, we can't all be followed by Justin Bieber! Personally, I'm over that... If one succeeds in building up an account that follows and is followed back by thousands of users - as seems to be the goal - does one ever actually visit the account? It can't possibly make any sense to access such an account via twitter.com. Are there tools that can render such an account usable or meaningful? Finally, why the pretense of following if one will never actually read the users' tweets? Does Twitter have in mind to adapt the system to this reality? This is not a rant, I sincerely want to know! On Sep 28, 4:34 pm, Rick Stuivenberg rickstuivenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, What are the oauth functions to check if somebody is following me or not? I am currently making a script to check up if a user is following me, and if so, following them back, and if not, unfollow the user. Can somebody give me a point in the direction what oauth functions I need? btw; I am using twitteroauth. Rick -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Comparing Friendship
It's important to unfollow someone who unfollowed you. I must emphasize here that I am not talking about unfollowing someone who is not following me, but only those who used to follow me, then unfollowed. In this case it's very important to unfollow them right away. This is important because otherwise the schemers that follow you, then get a follow-back and then unfollow you win. Remember kids: if you don't auto unfollow-back that the terrorists will win. And that's not a good thing. Also if you want to follow over 2000 people you must keep you following/followers ratio really tight and that's why I would need to unfollow people who are not following me back. It's really simple. There are good ways to follow and read messages from many thousands of people. One way is to separate them by lists and then read lists instead of your main timeline. second way is to you other third party clients that lets you filter by keywords and stuff like that. I want to follow people with common interests and that common interest happens to be I am interested in following people who follow back When I follow someone I basically giving that person a chance to sell me something. I say, fine, but you give me a chance to sell you something too. I may still follow a few accounts that are so important to me that I will follow them even though I know they don't follow back, but that's just a handful of people. On Sep 28, 12:03 pm, Ken D. k...@cimas.ch wrote: Hey Rick, It's the second time in a week that someone brings up the autofollow/ unfollow question (see also:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/msg/b7b1dfbf6...) and I would love to understand the follow economy once and for all. First of all, you say that if someone is following you, you will follow back, but if they are not following, you will unfollow. If you are not yet following them, do you mean that you would block them? What is the use case for auto-following, and why would it be so important to unfollow users who do not follow back? Is there a cost? Are those users' tweets less interesting if they aren't following you? I mean, we can't all be followed by Justin Bieber! Personally, I'm over that... If one succeeds in building up an account that follows and is followed back by thousands of users - as seems to be the goal - does one ever actually visit the account? It can't possibly make any sense to access such an account via twitter.com. Are there tools that can render such an account usable or meaningful? Finally, why the pretense of following if one will never actually read the users' tweets? Does Twitter have in mind to adapt the system to this reality? This is not a rant, I sincerely want to know! On Sep 28, 4:34 pm, Rick Stuivenberg rickstuivenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, What are the oauth functions to check if somebody is following me or not? I am currently making a script to check up if a user is following me, and if so, following them back, and if not, unfollow the user. Can somebody give me a point in the direction what oauth functions I need? btw; I am using twitteroauth. Rick -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Comparing Friendship
Hey Rick, It's the second time in a week that someone brings up the autofollow/ unfollow question (see also: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/msg/b7b1dfbf6500ab83) and I would love to understand the follow economy once and for all. First of all, you say that if someone is following you, you will follow back, but if they are not following, you will unfollow. If you are not yet following them, do you mean that you would block them? What is the use case for auto-following, and why would it be so important to unfollow users who do not follow back? Is there a cost? Are those users' tweets less interesting if they aren't following you? I mean, we can't all be followed by Justin Bieber! Personally, I'm over that... If one succeeds in building up an account that follows and is followed back by thousands of users - as seems to be the goal - does one ever actually visit the account? It can't possibly make any sense to access such an account via twitter.com. Are there tools that can render such an account usable or meaningful? Finally, why the pretense of following if one will never actually read the users' tweets? Does Twitter have in mind to adapt the system to this reality? This is not a rant, I sincerely want to know! On Sep 28, 4:34 pm, Rick Stuivenberg rickstuivenb...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, What are the oauth functions to check if somebody is following me or not? I am currently making a script to check up if a user is following me, and if so, following them back, and if not, unfollow the user. Can somebody give me a point in the direction what oauth functions I need? btw; I am using twitteroauth. Rick -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Comparing Friendship
Quoting Ken D. k...@cimas.ch: Hey Rick, It's the second time in a week that someone brings up the autofollow/ unfollow question (see also: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/msg/b7b1dfbf6500ab83) and I would love to understand the follow economy once and for all. First of all, you say that if someone is following you, you will follow back, but if they are not following, you will unfollow. If you are not yet following them, do you mean that you would block them? What is the use case for auto-following, and why would it be so important to unfollow users who do not follow back? Is there a cost? Are those users' tweets less interesting if they aren't following you? I mean, we can't all be followed by Justin Bieber! Personally, I'm over that... If one succeeds in building up an account that follows and is followed back by thousands of users - as seems to be the goal - does one ever actually visit the account? It can't possibly make any sense to access such an account via twitter.com. Are there tools that can render such an account usable or meaningful? Finally, why the pretense of following if one will never actually read the users' tweets? Does Twitter have in mind to adapt the system to this reality? This is not a rant, I sincerely want to know! There are technologies (primarily natural language / text processing and social network analysis at the moment) that would help a person or business manage an account of this size. However, most such technologies are embedded in social media listening platforms, business intelligence tools, web analytics tools or social CRM tools. In addition most such tools are broader than just Twitter - they connect to Facebook, YouTube, Flickr and other social sites, integrate with email and often connect with search optimization / marketing tools as well. If you want to experiment with these technologies on Twitter, I've put together a virtual appliance containing open source research tools called the Social Media Analytics Research Toolkit. There's not much end-user application-level software there at the moment, but the platform is complete. It's heavy on Perl and R because that's what I know best, but there's a good bit of Python and Java code there as well. You have to give your email address to Novell SUSE Studio to download it (for free) at the moment, but at some point in the future I'll be selling a version, probably on SpiderOak. http://borasky-research.net/about-smartznmeb/ -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://borasky-research.net/about-smartznmeb/ http://twitter.com/znmeb A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. - Paul Erdos -- Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list Change your membership to this group: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
[twitter-dev] Re: Comparing Friendship
On 28 sep, 16:44, Taylor Singletary taylorsinglet...@twitter.com
wrote:
In PHP twitteroauth, this would probably be something like:
$content = $connection-get('friendships/show',
array('source_screen_name'='episod',
'target_screen_name'='twitterapi'));
Yes. That would be something like that.
On 28 sep, 18:03, Ken D. k...@cimas.ch wrote:
Hey Rick,
It's the second time in a week that someone brings up the autofollow/
unfollow question (see
also:http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/msg/b7b1dfbf6...)
and I would love to understand the follow economy once and for all.
I was not aware of this fact. I am sorry if I heated up the discussion
agian.
First of all, you say that if someone is following you, you will
follow back, but if they are not following, you will unfollow. If you
are not yet following them, do you mean that you would block them?
Yes, but I do not block them. I will follow them if they follow me, if
they unfollow me, I'll unfollow them.
If one succeeds in building up an account that follows and is followed
back by thousands of users - as seems to be the goal - does one ever
actually visit the account? It can't possibly make any sense to access
such an account via twitter.com. Are there tools that can render such
an account usable or meaningful? Finally, why the pretense of
following if one will never actually read the users' tweets? Does
Twitter have in mind to adapt the system to this reality?
This is not a rant, I sincerely want to know!
Non taken buddy. Its going about a dutch account on twitter that is
really important for most people and they liked to be followed back.
Olso, sometimes someone unfollows and then its not neccessary to
follow them.
--
Twitter developer documentation and resources: http://dev.twitter.com/doc
API updates via Twitter: http://twitter.com/twitterapi
Issues/Enhancements Tracker: http://code.google.com/p/twitter-api/issues/list
Change your membership to this group:
http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk
