On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:48 AM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
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> You could do the "Stackoverflow" method of quietly silencing/ignoring the
> users that are spamming/abusing the system which is why I suggested not
> sending the "XYZ is now following you" email for people that look like they
> are abusing t
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 12:07 PM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
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> As a human user, I can understand following making use easier. As a
> software agent user, there's no reason to actually follow anyone - you
> should be using the stream/follow or stream/shadow APIs, today.
Fair point... I haven't
On 6/11/09 3:52 PM, Nick Arnett wrote:
I think you may not be considering legitimate automated systems that can
quickly find a number of people who are discussing n emerging topic. My
social network analysis does that - when it sees a topic becoming hot,
it does some searches to see who is talk
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
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> following you" email for people that look
>> like they are abusing the system.
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>
> Absolutely. There should be a silent rate limit around following - normal
> human activity shouldn't really be >1 follow per second, and no more than
On 6/11/09 1:38 PM, Caliban Darklock wrote:
If someone does something you don't like, and you unfollow them, they
lose followers. That's what they wanted on Twitter in the first
place, right? People following them?
The problem though is the massive marketer circle-jerk of followings
consumes
On 6/11/09 2:48 PM, Paul Kinlan wrote:
You could do the "Stackoverflow" method of quietly silencing/ignoring
the users that are spamming/abusing the system which is why I suggested
not sending the "XYZ is now following you" email for people that look
like they are abusing the system.
Absolutel
You could do the "Stackoverflow" method of quietly silencing/ignoring the
users that are spamming/abusing the system which is why I suggested not
sending the "XYZ is now following you" email for people that look like they
are abusing the system.
Paul.
2009/6/11 Caliban Darklock
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> On Thu, Jun 1
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
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> Without the potency of enforcement, what's the point?
Social enforcement is more potent than legal enforcement. If someone
does something you don't like, and you unfollow them, they lose
followers. That's what they wanted on Twitter in th
On Thu, Jun 11, 2009 at 7:52 AM, Abraham Williams<4bra...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> How would the CoH be social enforced?
I think there's already social enforcement. You can "d spam @whoever"
or just "@spam @whoever" to make your report. Developers of desktop
clients might consider making a little ma
Jun 2009 09:52:33
To:
Subject: [twitter-dev] Re: Twitter Application Usage Guidelines, Please Read
What if the Twitter community were to draft a code of honor that could be
voted on by anyone with a Twitter account. Kind of like the Facebook ToS
voting but actually community driven.
A few questio
What if the Twitter community were to draft a code of honor that could be
voted on by anyone with a Twitter account. Kind of like the Facebook ToS
voting but actually community driven.
A few questions regarding this:
Do you think it would be possible for the community to come to a final decision?
W
Brant,
As the developer of Twollo I take an exception to you saying Twollo is an
abusive application and violates the TOS. We are do not exist to abuse the
system, the number of user on our system is large and the vast majority of
our users are "good" users who have a genuine interest in finding a
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:23 AM, Dossy Shiobara wrote:
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> It's obviously an incredibly thin line ...
It's the same line you walk as a marketer. On the one hand, you want
to provide value to your followers, so they will keep following you.
On the other, you want to extract value efficiently from
On 6/10/09 12:25 PM, Caliban Darklock wrote:
A very real concern that should enter the heads of those who oppose
"improper" use of Twitter is that there is a very real possibility
that the Twitter team will need to monetize the application, and the
single greatest opportunity to do that comes fr
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:47 AM, Andrew Badera wrote:
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> You should look up the definition of "ghetto" sometime.
According to Wikipedia, it's "a portion of a city in which members of
a minority group live; especially because of social, legal, or
economic pressure" - and a minority group is "a so
You should look up the definition of "ghetto" sometime.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:42 AM, Caliban Darklock wrote:
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> On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Andrew Badera wrote:
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>> Any
>> neighborhood of a particular clustered minor demographic deserves to
>> be patrolled?
>
> If the minor demogra
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 8:21 AM, Andrew Badera wrote:
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> Any
> neighborhood of a particular clustered minor demographic deserves to
> be patrolled?
If the minor demographic in question is "criminals," yes. Any other
qualities of the demographic are coincidental.
Despite the poor, potentially offensive use of the term "ghetto" ? Any
neighborhood of a particular clustered minor demographic deserves to
be patrolled? Slick gents, slick.
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote:
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>> Having a known ghetto is useful: it helps you focus where to
> Having a known ghetto is useful: it helps you focus where to patrol.
.sig dibs!
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Dossy,
You are 100% correct. They will spam as long as there is some benefit
for them doing so.
Spamming is like shoplifting. It's part of the cost of doing business
if you own a store. You put measures in place to try and prevent it,
but you can never prevent it all.
Dewald
On Jun 10, 11:36 a
On 6/10/09 9:55 AM, Dewald Pretorius wrote:
It is a fact of life that, regardless of how benign or how powerful
the tools are that you provide your users, 99% will use them in a
sensible and responsible manner, and 1% will always try and abuse
them.
This is why I am ALWAYS very cautious about
I think 1% is pretty kind given the huge volume of spammers on Twitter
these days. And I'd even say that spam-friendly tools turn
non-spammers INTO spammers, either inadvertently, or gateway style --
once they see how they "can" take advantage of the system, they "do."
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 9
If someone runs through your neighborhood killing people with a
chainsaw, should the government shut down Home Depot because they sell
chainsaws?
It is a fact of life that, regardless of how benign or how powerful
the tools are that you provide your users, 99% will use them in a
sensible and resp
Thank you for the response Doug. I intended the post to be more curious than
implicative though it may have sounded more of the latter. In any case,
we¹ve all grown to love the openness of the platform, and the platform
itself as such a great opportunity to build. I just got nervous when I
starte
I second that.
2009/6/10 Justyn Howard
> What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work
> we’ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be
> protected? It’s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to
> reserve functionality that the de
Obviously I can't address the impact since we don't have a document
to deliver. Let me be clear, we are not thinking of taking functionality
from the offering, but we are discussing how open we want to be moving
forward. Most of the talks are around what we want to offer through the
Streaming API a
What are the chances that this new TOS will negate any of the hard work
we¹ve done up until this point? Can you give us an idea of what will be
protected? It¹s a little alarming to hear that Twitter might decide to
reserve functionality that the developer network has built-on and enhanced
in favor
On Tue, Jun 9, 2009 at 5:27 PM, Brant wrote:
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> Williams, my point is why would a user need to rapidly remove or add
> twitter followers?
Turn that around: why should a user be FORBIDDEN to rapidly remove or
add new followers?
The API TOS is currently in development. It is taking longer than hoped as
we are still exploring what we want to give to developers and what we want
to protect as business assets. For now, make sure that you understand the
general TOS we have in place.
We do work with developers if they are willin
Doug, where is the developer API TOS? I think that's part of the problem -
none of us are being required to enter into an agreement before
developing, therefore we have no idea what we can and can't do with it. I
also don't think most of us even know where any such TOS is, if there is
one. I agr
I agree with you Justyn. There are probably tons of applications, but
these two were on the top of my head.
If a large amount of users are getting banned for using a particular
service then Twitter should recognize a pattern and give the service
notification of the issue and give them some time
Williams, my point is why would a user need to rapidly remove or add
twitter followers? Mutuality even states that it is not responsible
if your twitter account gets suspended for using their service. The
underlying usage for these services is for abuse.
I ordinarily wouldn't mind but the reaso
I think it depends on what measures the site is taking to promote
responsible use of the applications. Both applications could be used for
good, or bad. I can think of one fairly popular site that is all but
endorses spammy behavior and charges users for access to these spammy tools.
I don¹t want t
Brant,Thank you for your concern. This is something that bothers us as well.
Moving applications exclusively to OAuth-based authentication will certainly
help in restricting applications that abuse the service. If you find a
service that you think is violating our TOS, please email a...@twitter.co
In briefly checking out Mutuality and Twollo I'm not sure what about them is
abusive. Mutuality says it lets you rapidly modify who you are following to
match who is following you and Twollo auto follows accounts it thinks you
might be interested in. Those are both useful
tools and if used as inten
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