Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
Do you know if those of us making small uses of the API (for example, most of our site runs off of the API, but we aren't an application in the sense that we perform actions on behalf of users via the API) have to register at dev. to be able to avoid being automatically opted in at some point? Also, do you know how much agency we have in where promoted tweets appear? (Is placement determined automatically by keywords in the tweets, or are we allowed to pick? Likewise, are we penalized (as per AdWords) for electing to appear for a search or keyword if an algorithm can't see it's relevance, or will the up/down system be entirely based on how users respond to what we've elected to promote?) its too early to know answers to either of these questions -- the promoted tweets program just started, and i suspect it will be a few months before we get to the syndication phase of the program. -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
its too early to know answers to either of these questions -- the promoted tweets program just started, and i suspect it will be a few months before we get to the syndication phase of the program. All I want at this point in the Promoted Tweets development cycle is the ability to recognize that a tweet has been promoted when I see one come out of the API, whether it's from REST, Search or Streaming. What he said. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Never send a human to do a machine's job. -- The Matrix -- -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
On 04/18/2010 10:57 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: its too early to know answers to either of these questions -- the promoted tweets program just started, and i suspect it will be a few months before we get to the syndication phase of the program. All I want at this point in the Promoted Tweets development cycle is the ability to recognize that a tweet has been promoted when I see one come out of the API, whether it's from REST, Search or Streaming. What he said. Although ... in playing around with searches for Starbucks, it looks like promotion is being done only in one specific case: I am logged in to Twitter.com and do a search for some specific things in the search box on the right of the page. I haven't gotten a Promoted Tweet from the search on the main Twitter page when I'm logged out or from search.twitter.com, even though I am using the same query. So I'm guessing the only way to see a Promoted Tweet from the API at the moment would be: 1. Find a search that gives you a Promoted Tweet. 2. Save it. 3. Re-activate the saved search from the API. Anyone from Twitter want to comment? It's starting to look to me like Promoted Tweets is being done outside the API for now. Given what I know about on line marketing and analytics, I'm not entirely convinced it's in Twitter's interest to answer my questions here. But I can ask. ;-) -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ~ Paul Erdős -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
Anyone from Twitter want to comment? It's starting to look to me like Promoted Tweets is being done outside the API for now. TTBOMK promotweets *are* outside of the API (there is no syndication), but I would like to know about the proposed methods for marking them so that they can already be dealt with in TTYtter when promotweets hit the wider API world. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. -- -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
i'm fairly positive we'll be doing that - just like how you can see in the web UI right now a clear marking that the tweet has been promoted. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:46 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@comcast.netwrote: On 04/18/2010 05:53 AM, Raffi Krikorian wrote: Do you know if those of us making small uses of the API (for example, most of our site runs off of the API, but we aren't an application in the sense that we perform actions on behalf of users via the API) have to register at dev. to be able to avoid being automatically opted in at some point? Also, do you know how much agency we have in where promoted tweets appear? (Is placement determined automatically by keywords in the tweets, or are we allowed to pick? Likewise, are we penalized (as per AdWords) for electing to appear for a search or keyword if an algorithm can't see it's relevance, or will the up/down system be entirely based on how users respond to what we've elected to promote?) its too early to know answers to either of these questions -- the promoted tweets program just started, and i suspect it will be a few months before we get to the syndication phase of the program. All I want at this point in the Promoted Tweets development cycle is the ability to recognize that a tweet has been promoted when I see one come out of the API, whether it's from REST, Search or Streaming. -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ~ Paul Erdős -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
it was stated fairly clearly and plainly by @dickc at @chirp that promoted tweets would be iterated upon inside the web view first. there is going to be a second and third phase of the program -- one of which involves syndication (i.e. have promoted tweets appear in the API). On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:09 AM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky zn...@comcast.netwrote: On 04/18/2010 10:57 AM, Cameron Kaiser wrote: its too early to know answers to either of these questions -- the promoted tweets program just started, and i suspect it will be a few months before we get to the syndication phase of the program. All I want at this point in the Promoted Tweets development cycle is the ability to recognize that a tweet has been promoted when I see one come out of the API, whether it's from REST, Search or Streaming. What he said. Although ... in playing around with searches for Starbucks, it looks like promotion is being done only in one specific case: I am logged in to Twitter.com and do a search for some specific things in the search box on the right of the page. I haven't gotten a Promoted Tweet from the search on the main Twitter page when I'm logged out or from search.twitter.com, even though I am using the same query. So I'm guessing the only way to see a Promoted Tweet from the API at the moment would be: 1. Find a search that gives you a Promoted Tweet. 2. Save it. 3. Re-activate the saved search from the API. Anyone from Twitter want to comment? It's starting to look to me like Promoted Tweets is being done outside the API for now. Given what I know about on line marketing and analytics, I'm not entirely convinced it's in Twitter's interest to answer my questions here. But I can ask. ;-) -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky borasky-research.net/m-edward-ed-borasky A mathematician is a device for turning coffee into theorems. ~ Paul Erdős -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
we don't know yet - when we do, we'll be giving far advance notice in the form of a developer preview, and probably even in bigger ways. On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 11:21 AM, Cameron Kaiser spec...@floodgap.comwrote: Anyone from Twitter want to comment? It's starting to look to me like Promoted Tweets is being done outside the API for now. TTBOMK promotweets *are* outside of the API (there is no syndication), but I would like to know about the proposed methods for marking them so that they can already be dealt with in TTYtter when promotweets hit the wider API world. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- What the large print giveth, the small print taketh away. -- -- Subscription settings: http://groups.google.com/group/twitter-development-talk/subscribe?hl=en -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
the announcements are only slowly coming out -- there will be a lot more details over the next few days through Chirp. as we move forward, as always, we'll message out to the developer list as features get deployed onto the platform / API. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 6:48 AM, Duane Roelands duane.roela...@gmail.comwrote: I'm curious about this myself. One of the first things end users are going to ask for is a way to block these ads from their timelines. Don't kid yourself; there's a reason why AdBlock is such a popular Firefox plugin. Secondary question: Is the first step towards paid Twitter accounts, where free users have to receive ads and paid users do not? Straight answers here would be appreciated. On 13 Apr, 05:28, Tim fabianh...@googlemail.com wrote: I've been looking around for information on how the new promoted tweets advertising feature will affect the API, and I've not really found anything. I gather that it's a two phase approach starting with search and then rolling out to timelines, but can anyone here clarify: (a) whether API responses will include promoted tweets, (b) whether these tweets will be identified as ads (c) whether third parties are 'obligated' to present them to users (d) whether there will be an API Terms of Use as a result -- Raffi Krikorian Twitter Platform Team http://twitter.com/raffi
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
Is promotion of tweets going to be part of the algorithm for defining popular tweets - in a twisted world where twitter says it's popular coz they've taken the cash to say it's popular? [sorry, that sounds like rigging charts or something... not quite how I meant it to sound] Awaiting further details. On 13 April 2010 14:48, Duane Roelands duane.roela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about this myself. One of the first things end users are going to ask for is a way to block these ads from their timelines. Don't kid yourself; there's a reason why AdBlock is such a popular Firefox plugin. Secondary question: Is the first step towards paid Twitter accounts, where free users have to receive ads and paid users do not? Straight answers here would be appreciated. On 13 Apr, 05:28, Tim fabianh...@googlemail.com wrote: I've been looking around for information on how the new promoted tweets advertising feature will affect the API, and I've not really found anything. I gather that it's a two phase approach starting with search and then rolling out to timelines, but can anyone here clarify: (a) whether API responses will include promoted tweets, (b) whether these tweets will be identified as ads (c) whether third parties are 'obligated' to present them to users (d) whether there will be an API Terms of Use as a result
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
- Nigel Legg nigel.l...@gmail.com wrote: Is promotion of tweets going to be part of the algorithm for defining popular tweets - in a twisted world where twitter says it's popular coz they've taken the cash to say it's popular? [sorry, that sounds like rigging charts or something... not quite how I meant it to sound] Awaiting further details. On 13 April 2010 14:48, Duane Roelands duane.roela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about this myself. One of the first things end users are going to ask for is a way to block these ads from their timelines. Don't kid yourself; there's a reason why AdBlock is such a popular Firefox plugin. Secondary question: Is the first step towards paid Twitter accounts, where free users have to receive ads and paid users do not? Straight answers here would be appreciated. On 13 Apr, 05:28, Tim fabianh...@googlemail.com wrote: I've been looking around for information on how the new promoted tweets advertising feature will affect the API, and I've not really found anything. I gather that it's a two phase approach starting with search and then rolling out to timelines, but can anyone here clarify: (a) whether API responses will include promoted tweets, (b) whether these tweets will be identified as ads (c) whether third parties are 'obligated' to present them to users (d) whether there will be an API Terms of Use as a result People - please please please - if you are not going to be at Chirp, please please please post all of your questions about this (and everything else) to the Google Moderator site, so we can be sure they get on the agenda! http://www.google.com/moderator/#16/e=5c0f -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
Re: [twitter-dev] Re: Promoted Tweets and the API?
At present, search is not on my radar as an API I want to use in development, but I am concerned about the implications for monitoring services based on the search API. On 13 April 2010 15:31, Dewald Pretorius dpr...@gmail.com wrote: Don't be too hasty with that ad blocking code. 1) It sounds as if Twitter will share ad revenue with external apps. 2) It very well might be against (new) API TOS to use the API and block ads (I would do that if I were them). On Apr 13, 10:48 am, Duane Roelands duane.roela...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious about this myself. One of the first things end users are going to ask for is a way to block these ads from their timelines. Don't kid yourself; there's a reason why AdBlock is such a popular Firefox plugin. Secondary question: Is the first step towards paid Twitter accounts, where free users have to receive ads and paid users do not? Straight answers here would be appreciated. On 13 Apr, 05:28, Tim fabianh...@googlemail.com wrote: I've been looking around for information on how the new promoted tweets advertising feature will affect the API, and I've not really found anything. I gather that it's a two phase approach starting with search and then rolling out to timelines, but can anyone here clarify: (a) whether API responses will include promoted tweets, (b) whether these tweets will be identified as ads (c) whether third parties are 'obligated' to present them to users (d) whether there will be an API Terms of Use as a result- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - -- To unsubscribe, reply using remove me as the subject.
