Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the message bodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
 my work I'm development in delphi5 yet, and I'll have to find a 
 solution to this,

With ICSv7 we are still supporting the last seven Delphi compilers,
testing and updating the packages for all these is tedious.  We really
can not support Delphi 6 and older for a free component.  

 [Error] OverbyteIcsCookies.pas(414): Undeclared identifier:
 'StrictDelimiter'

StrictDelimiter was not in Delphi 5 which is why this fails.  If you
really need to use Delphi 5, you will need to edit the source code to
oversome any errors of this sort.  Or remove OverbyteIcsCookies from the
package, you are unlikely to need it. 

Angus


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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Arno Garrels
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
 my work I'm development in delphi5 yet, and I'll have to find a
 solution to this,
 
 With ICSv7 we are still supporting the last seven Delphi compilers,
 testing and updating the packages for all these is tedious.  We really
 can not support Delphi 6 and older for a free component.

StrictDelimiter is *not available in Delphi 7*
Will fix it soon and update the repository.

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
 StrictDelimiter is *not available in Delphi 7*

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for Delphi 7 and 2005,
and just leave 2007 which was the last to support legacy non-Unicode
projects? 

Angus

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Arno Garrels
Claudio PRV wrote:
 taking advantage the message, Last svn  FireMonkey beta have a little
 problem...
 
 [Error] OverbyteIcsCookies.pas(414): Undeclared identifier:
 'StrictDelimiter'
 [Fatal Error] OverbyteIcsD7Run.dpk(127): Could not compile used unit
 'OverbyteIcsCookies.pas'

Thanks, a fix has been checked in.

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in themessagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Arno Garrels
Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd wrote:
 StrictDelimiter is *not available in Delphi 7*
 
 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years
 is very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for Delphi 7 and
 2005, and just leave 2007 which was the last to support legacy
 non-Unicode projects?

In my opinion Delphi 7 support should be continued for quite a while.

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Claudio PRV
  I agree that Delphi 5/7/2007 are very old tools and have various
restrictions, but I work in a company that has all source code in Delphi5
are over 15,000 .pas.

  And the worst we still use BDE. To upgrade to a version of Delphi XE
we'll take years, because we need to upgrade the BDE also with thousands of
queries too.

  So I need to try make this software working for more time possible, I
imagine that the whole structure will to collapse in the next version of
windows(8), because we have a lot of bugs with Windows 7 64bit, Oracle 11g
and MSSQL 2008, but I'm just a developer and don't take decisions, bosses
don't want to spend more time on Delphi, but want running the old software
for more time.

Summary, I work at a company that has a large legacy application with more
than 15 years of development in Delphi, since 2000 with Delphi5.

And I have a huge problem to keep it working.

Thanks,
Cláudio.

2012/3/28 Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd an...@magsys.co.uk

  StrictDelimiter is *not available in Delphi 7*

 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
 very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for Delphi 7 and 2005,
 and just leave 2007 which was the last to support legacy non-Unicode
 projects?

 Angus

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd
 Summary, I work at a company that has a large legacy application 
 with more than 15 years of development in Delphi, since 2000 with
 Delphi5.

For that reason we still do serious bug fixes to ICS v5 and v6, but can
not add new features.  

BTW, you don't need to use the IPV6 branch for secure HTML mail, you can
use older versions, use THtmlSmtpCli to prepare the mail as a stream or
file:

FQuHtmlSmtp.SendMode := smtpToStream ;
FQuHtmlSmtp.SendToFile (FileName) ;

and then use TSslSmtpCli to send the file or stream as OwnHeaders.

I do exactly this in my free 'Mail Queue Component' which sends email via
a queue, with retries over hours or days, to multiple servers.  

http://www.magsys.co.uk/delphi/magics.asp 

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in the messagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Claudio PRV
Thanks for your Help Angus, I will try your tip.

I'm aware of all these problems Angus, but my boss doesn't care. They are
already with another team replacing all the other software in Delphi online
java.

I personally in my home projects still believe in delphi, and I intend to
do  update of my personal projects XE2 64bit and changing Indy for ICS.

2012/3/28 Angus Robertson - Magenta Systems Ltd an...@magsys.co.uk

  Summary, I work at a company that has a large legacy application
  with more than 15 years of development in Delphi, since 2000 with
  Delphi5.

 For that reason we still do serious bug fixes to ICS v5 and v6, but can
 not add new features.

 BTW, you don't need to use the IPV6 branch for secure HTML mail, you can
 use older versions, use THtmlSmtpCli to prepare the mail as a stream or
 file:

 FQuHtmlSmtp.SendMode := smtpToStream ;
 FQuHtmlSmtp.SendToFile (FileName) ;

 and then use TSslSmtpCli to send the file or stream as OwnHeaders.

 I do exactly this in my free 'Mail Queue Component' which sends email via
 a queue, with retries over hours or days, to multiple servers.

 http://www.magsys.co.uk/delphi/magics.asp

 Angus

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in themessagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Arno Garrels
Claudio,

It's possible to make one custom change in SmtpProt.pas:

{$IFDEF USE_SSL}
THtmlSmtpCli = class(TSslSmtpCli)
{$ELSE}
THtmlSmtpCli = class(TSmtpCli)
{$ENDIF}

It's just a workaround however should work well.

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Re: [twsocket] How to embed images in themessagebodyusingSslSmtpClient?

2012-03-28 Thread Claudio PRV
Hi Arno,

  Thanks from your help, this workaround works fine for me, now I have a
component to send email that works fine in all windows versions.

  Thanks to Angus too, I'm very happy from yours support.

Cláudio.
Long life to Delphi.

2012/3/28 Arno Garrels arno.garr...@gmx.de

 Claudio,

 It's possible to make one custom change in SmtpProt.pas:

 {$IFDEF USE_SSL}
THtmlSmtpCli = class(TSslSmtpCli)
 {$ELSE}
THtmlSmtpCli = class(TSmtpCli)
 {$ENDIF}

 It's just a workaround however should work well.

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[twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread François Piette
Hi !

 

I’m planning the next ICS version…

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes
will be bug fixes.

 

What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just
want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Dejan Petković
My suggestion is Delphi 2010 and up. I still use D2010 and I don't plan to
switch to any XE version soon.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:59 PM, François Piette
francois.pie...@skynet.bewrote:

 Hi !



 I’m planning the next ICS version…

 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
 very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
 Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes
 will be bug fixes.



 What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just
 want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi
 version.



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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Paul Read

Still using BCB2007 :-)

On 28/03/2012 20:10, Dejan Petković wrote:

My suggestion is Delphi 2010 and up. I still use D2010 and I don't plan to
switch to any XE version soon.

On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 8:59 PM, François Piette
francois.pie...@skynet.bewrote:


Hi !



I’m planning the next ICS version…

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes
will be bug fixes.



What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Eugene Kotlyarov
We are using only XE2 currently

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Behalf Of François Piette
Sent: 28-Mar-12 11:59
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Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

Hi !

 

I'm planning the next ICS version.

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is very 
restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes will 
be bug fixes.

 

What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just want 
to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi version.

 

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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Paul
I'm using D2009 and don't plan to upgrade to XE, only for the exe size which 
has to be as small as possible.


Paul

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Behalf Of François Piette

Sent: 28-Mar-12 11:59
To: ICS support mailing
Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi 
XE ?


Hi !



I'm planning the next ICS version.

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is 
very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes 
will be bug fixes.




What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just 
want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi 
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread scconsulting
My customers (small and medium companies) all use Delphi 5, Delphi 7 and 
Delphi 2007.


None of them use XE and they don't plan to pay a mountain of cash to migrate 
in the forseable future.



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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Marc Charbonneau
Using Delphi 7 here. Still waiting for Linux support before I fork the
cash to upgrade. They keep telling me it's coming...


On Wed, Mar 28, 2012 at 2:59 PM, François Piette
francois.pie...@skynet.be wrote:
 Hi !



 I’m planning the next ICS version…

 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
 very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
 Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes
 will be bug fixes.



 What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Arno Garrels
François Piette wrote:

 I'm planning the next ICS version.

Interesting, I'm planning it since last year as well, 
namely in the IPv6/FireMonkey beta branch and while porting
ICS to XE2 64-bit. What are your actual plans except abandon
support for older compilers? 

 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years
 is very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi
 versions ? 

Abandon Delphi 7 support was just stupid unless someone rewrites ICS 
to take full advantage of the new and powerful language features at the 
same time, sorry ( I won't be the guy doing this ). 

Actually the tweaks required to get current ICS compiled from D7 up to 
latest RAD Studio version are **very minor** (oh, this property 
StrictDelimiter doesn't exist in D7? **come on**). 
BTW: Indy still supports D5!

Taking into account that many of the new language features can't be used
without problems before XE/2010 (because of bugs), it makes *no sense* at
all to abandon D7 if at the same time support for D2007 is kept. It would 
make sense though to start a _new version from *scratch*, such an incarnation 
of ICS ;) would then of course support only XE+ or maybe D2010+, is that
your plan?  

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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Lars Gehre
Still using Delphi 7.  

 -Original Message-
 From: twsocket-boun...@elists.org 
 [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] On Behalf Of François Piette
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 8:59 PM
 To: ICS support mailing
 Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything 
 before DelphiXE ?
 
 Hi !
 
  
 
 I’m planning the next ICS version…
 
 Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 
 10 years is very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support 
 for old Delphi versions ?
 Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the 
 only changes will be bug fixes.
 
  
 
 What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as 
 possible, I just want to have an idea about how many of you 
 are still using an old Delphi version.
 
  
 
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Arnaldo Braun

Here the same situation  with Delphi 5 (one customer only) and Delphi 7

Em 28-03-2012 17:27, scconsulting escreveu:
My customers (small and medium companies) all use Delphi 5, Delphi 7 
and Delphi 2007.


None of them use XE and they don't plan to pay a mountain of cash to 
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Jeff Hamblin

I am still using D2007, and very happy with the current version of ICS.

I don't have any problem with a new version of ICS starting fresh at XE 
or whatever you choose.


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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything beforeDelphiXE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Lars Gehre
Well I for my part would like see the IP V6 branch of Arno Garrels as the
next ICS V8 (with support of older Delphi versions, XE2 firemonkey and x64
bit) because it is a REAL step forward for ICS and useful without new
language mumbo jumbo. ;)

I'm not saying there might be a time to make a cut and say that's it for now
only the current and following Versions of delphi. But come on, IP V6 IS
coming and it is big and it will be needed also in legacy applications
developed with older Delphi versions.

Regards 
Lars



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 [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] On Behalf Of Arno Garrels
 Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 11:00 PM
 To: ICS support mailing
 Subject: Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support 
 anything beforeDelphiXE ?
 
 François Piette wrote:
 
  I'm planning the next ICS version.
 
 Interesting, I'm planning it since last year as well, namely 
 in the IPv6/FireMonkey beta branch and while porting ICS to 
 XE2 64-bit. What are your actual plans except abandon support 
 for older compilers? 
 
  Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the 
 last 10 years 
  is very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi 
  versions ?
 
 Abandon Delphi 7 support was just stupid unless someone 
 rewrites ICS to take full advantage of the new and powerful 
 language features at the same time, sorry ( I won't be the 
 guy doing this ). 
 
 Actually the tweaks required to get current ICS compiled from 
 D7 up to latest RAD Studio version are **very minor** (oh, 
 this property StrictDelimiter doesn't exist in D7? **come on**). 
 BTW: Indy still supports D5!
 
 Taking into account that many of the new language features 
 can't be used without problems before XE/2010 (because of 
 bugs), it makes *no sense* at all to abandon D7 if at the 
 same time support for D2007 is kept. It would make sense 
 though to start a _new version from *scratch*, such an 
 incarnation of ICS ;) would then of course support only XE+ 
 or maybe D2010+, is that your plan?  
 
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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Jeff Cook
 
Hi 

Still on Delphi 7.  My app uses DBISAM v3 from ElevateSoft and Delphi 7 is
the last Delphi supported.  To go to DelphiAnythingNewer I have to go to
DBISAM v4 or ElevateDB - both of these options have substantial work
involved for little visible advantage to the user, so for them moment I'm
doing the user stuff and sticking with D7.  ICS V5 is working well for me.

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XE ?

Hi !

 

I'm planning the next ICS version.

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is
very restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes
will be bug fixes.

 

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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread RTT

On 28-03-2012 19:59, François Piette wrote:

I just
want to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi
version.

Still using the old good D7.
If you are asking this them I suppose you haven't coded yet any 
significant part of the planned new version?
What changes you have in mind? If you are not going to rewrite what is 
done already, don't see what special, not available yet, features would 
benefit so much of the new Delphi versions language enhancements. Other 
than new, more high level components. The client components really need 
to be more advanced, IMO.


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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Darin McGee
Even though D7 is 10 years old and I have all the versions 1 - XE2, it is by 
far the most stable, fewest bugs version ever released.  When I can, I do it in 
7.  But then again I can appreciate the effort involved in keeping ICS working 
over so many versions and would understand having the newer ICS only supporting 
the last few versions of Delphi.  As far as Fire Monkey, not interested in a 
port however hopefully sometime in the future Linux.

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From: twsocket-boun...@elists.org [mailto:twsocket-boun...@elists.org] On 
Behalf Of François Piette
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 2:59 PM
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Subject: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before DelphiXE ?

Hi !

 

I'm planning the next ICS version...

Being unable to use any features added to Delphi in the last 10 years is very 
restricted.  Maybe we need to cease support for old Delphi versions ?
Of course ICS V5 and V7 will remains available however, the only changes will 
be bug fixes.

 

What do you think ? Please keep your answer as short as possible, I just want 
to have an idea about how many of you are still using an old Delphi version.

 

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Re: [twsocket] Should next ICS version support anything before Delphi XE ?

2012-03-28 Thread Dod
Hello,

Still  using  D7  and  jumped to XE2 for new 64 bits devs that request
hudge memory usage.

regards.

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