Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-18 Thread Glenn Sallis
Hi, On the nosql website MultiValue is classed as Soft NoSQL because it did not rise out of a web 2.0 need. Perhaps if people working on web 2.0 technologies had heard of U2 at the time, U2 would now already be the primary web 2.0 backend and few of these newer databases would have arisen.

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-18 Thread Symeon Breen
...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glenn Sallis Sent: 18 December 2011 11:03 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase Hi, On the nosql website MultiValue is classed as Soft NoSQL because it did not rise out of a web 2.0 need. Perhaps if people

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-18 Thread Symeon Breen
Of David Jordan Sent: 17 December 2011 05:40 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I have to pick you up on scaling. U2 scales really well there are some staggering performance test that have been done. U2 does things differently, but it does scale. An area that NOSQL databases

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-18 Thread David Jordan
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of David Jordan Sent: 17 December 2011 05:40 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I have to pick you up on scaling. U2 scales really well there are some staggering performance test that have been done. U2 does things differently, but it does scale. An area

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Wjhonson
- From: David Jordan da...@dacono.com.au To: U2 Users List u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Fri, Dec 16, 2011 9:41 pm Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I have to pick you up on scaling. U2 scales really well there are some staggering performance test that have been done. U2 does things

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Regarding scaling, the MV DBMS I use advertises as highly scalable. Even if typical partitioning is not by sharding there are many ways in which databases can scale. People looking for non-SQL-only DBMS tools will have many and varied requirements --dawn Typed on a mobile keyboard On Dec 16,

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Laura Hirsh
Comments below... -Original Message- From: DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) [nab...@mvdbs.com] Date: 12/16/2011 09:37 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I also, to some extent, agree with Dawn. The mv, NF**2, post relational, PICK, or whatever the correct

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Wjhonson
In your quote from Dr Goodman, for what exact source are you quoting. I would like to include that quote with a link in one on articles. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Charlie Noah
. On 12-17-2011 12:09 PM, Laura Hirsh wrote: Comments below... -Original Message- From: DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) [nab...@mvdbs.com] Date: 12/16/2011 09:37 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I also, to some extent, agree with Dawn. The mv, NF**2, post

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Laura Hirsh ... Most importantly, does i model allow a company to focus on, and increase the bottom line of their business. It really shouldn't be about one technology vs another. Laura hit it on the head. There's all of this rhetoric about where MV is best positioned. But

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-16 Thread Glenn Sallis
Hi One MV vendor suggested that we collectively try to occupy NoSQL and see if we can make a place for MV within the greater NoSQL (Not Only SQL) community. Most of the MV DBMS vendors are on the list at nosql-database.org. Whilst there would appear to be some similarities with NoSQL

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-16 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
I do disagree with this. If neo4j meets the not-determined criteria (except by marketing departments) then MV products do too. MV vendors might have suggested they are relational at varying points in their history (again marketing depts) but they do not meet Relational or at least SQL-only

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-16 Thread DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com)
I also, to some extent, agree with Dawn. The mv, NF**2, post relational, PICK, or whatever the correct model name is, it is not a relational database. There are very strict definitions to a relational database, namely, but not complete, normalisation, SQL, joins etc. Yes, the mv model can

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-16 Thread DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com)
I also, to some extent, agree with Dawn. The mv, NF**2, post relational, PICK, or whatever the correct model name is, it is not a relational database. There are very strict definitions to a relational database, namely, but not complete, normalisation, SQL, joins etc. Yes, the mv model can

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-16 Thread David Jordan
Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of DavidJMurray (mvdbs.com) Sent: Saturday, 17 December 2011 1:38 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Graph DataBase I also, to some extent, agree with Dawn. The mv, NF

[U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-15 Thread Bill Brutzman
I expect that the topic is of interest to U2 programmers. I plan to attend. NYJavaSIG, What: Neo4J - High Performance NoSQL Graph Database Who: Peter Bell - CTO - Skinnio When: WEDNESDAY, Dec 21, 2011 - 6:30pm-8:00pm (refreshments 6:00-6:30pm) Where: Credit Suisse 1

Re: [U2] Graph DataBase

2011-12-15 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
Good idea to attend. Although I have some probably-not-great reasons (so I'll keep them to myself) for not having a lot of respect for Neo4J even without touching it, I think it is a really good idea to visit some of the many various NoSQL events when they are in your neck of the woods (they are