On 24/09/2009 00:05, Doug dave...@hotmail.com wrote:
We do not require you to use IBM connection pooling
since we handle this through UOJ and our connection manager.
It's worth noting that if you use any software that connection pools you are
obliged to buy database connection pooling
This is the official word from Susie Seigesmund and from IBM:
Yes, we [Rocket] will honor existing certifications, and indeed will be
administering the same certifications at u2U in Liverpool and Sydney.
IBM just doesn't want folks to be registering for these via IBM going
forward.
Cheers,
We let Apache (inearlier days Netscape web server) use the
CGI-interface to call
a tiny ksh that calls universe with the POST-ed form in raw format -
works with GET too, today.
There a relatively small basic routine parses it and places the info in
named common.
One always present form
Consider Adobe Flex, now being reBranded as FlashBuilder.
--Bill Brutzman
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George,
We do not do connection pooling or use multiplexing software. We have a
connection manager written in Java to handle the connections to Universe or
Unidata. We adhere to our IBM licensing agreement to the letter: one user
one connection.
Every call to the database requires a connection.
Interesting! When we've tried to do the same, the time to login/logout/login
again KILLED performance - and you had to do it for each 'piece' to stick to
the letter of the law... Is UOJ somehow 'faster' at doing these Login/Out/In
connections than other methods exposed by U2?
-Original
Matt:
You can also use a product called DesignBais. It handles most of the
issues you'll encounter going to a stateless environment. It has it's
own framework already built so you can piggyback right onto these
frameworks. It uses UniObjects and is easy to install and setup in a U2
Java - Tomcat and Glassfish (Sun Application Server) with Uniobjects.
Matthew Day wrote:
Hi,
We currently have a system with a VB6 front end and use Universe for the
database and business logic. We are looking to develop a web solution for our
product.
What are people using to inteface
David,
I don't know what other methods you are using, but this performance speaks
for itself. Within in our U2WebLink middleware Java code, we have
replication logic. This is not something you would think about for UOJ or
the web, but it is an integral part of the nature of this environment
On 24/09/2009 16:45, Doug dave...@hotmail.com wrote:
George,
We do not do connection pooling or use multiplexing software.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean to imply that you did. I was trying to make a
general point that you need connection pooling licences if you connection
pool however you do it.
If you log off and on, it does satisfy the licensing - letter and intent...
BUT usually the performance hit is so high that it FORCES you to connection
pooling - or to have lots more seats! Both of which make IBM-Rocket happy.
g
I'm still wondering how they can get 175 users through 2 seats --
They have a home grown telnet application that runs their business on
Universe. The CRM and Document Management that we supply, is just for the
sales people, customer service, agents, and management with over 175 logins.
How many are in use at a specific moment in time? I don't know, but I
My guess is that you're taking users as concurrent logged in users while
Doug means them more as staff that may require access to the application.
The various API's seem to login much faster than telnet (plus it's much
easier to keep the login credentials than setup login scripts in your telnet
According to the letter of the U2 terms, common usage of the
environment is prohibited without the purchase of a connection
pooling license - that means many of you are in violation right
now. I personally don't approve of a vendor who has a potential
lawsuit pending over a large segment of their
Tony, well said. I had not really considered your examples as breaches
but if you take the letter of the law I guess they are, which like you
says would probably put 99% of sites in the violation of licensing
bucket...
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Doug,
I fear that if you look at the terminology and description that IBM
(Rocket may change, but somehow I doubt it) use to describe a
connection pool, though you may like to think that your connection
manager is different, I fear you may fall foul of their definition
and if you look at
David,
I think your problem may be that you are logging only when you get a
request? If you were to have lines pre-logged-in, though the complexity
of the middleware increases, you may find a corresponding increase in
performance ... and with a little more effort you may also decide to NOT
kill a
I'm missing something. We ran Redback without connection pooling. Is
that an exception because it's a U2 product or were we in violation?
Ross Ferris wrote:
Doug,
I fear that if you look at the terminology and description that IBM
(Rocket may change, but somehow I doubt it) use to describe a
I RedBack you would be using WebShares which is basically like
Connection Pools.
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles
Stevenson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 3:40 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject:
I don't believe IBM could have exceptions, ESPECIALLY in the USA, as
my understanding is that monopoly and anti-trust laws click in. However,
if my foggy memory serves me correctly, price of a Redback licence
corresponded to the price of a connection pool licence, and I believe
set the bar for
Interestingly, one of the scenario's we ran past IBM back in April/March
was the use of disk shares, where people could drop files from windows
applications which would be picked up by a U2 phantom processed
they characterised this as requiring a connection pool licence!
Ross Ferris
Stamina
We as a community want U2 technology to have all the bells and whistles and
to market and generally upgrades its game. But many of us want U2 to do it
for free. If we don't buy appropriate numbers of licenses, then U2 will not
be a viable business proposition to a supplier. As a customer we
You have WEBSHARES... Those are your 'pooling' elements!
DW
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of
Charles Stevenson
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 5:40 PM
To: U2 Users List
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Well stated, David!
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Consider this an AD even though I also propose using freeware...
From: Ross Ferris
Interestingly, one of the scenario's we ran past IBM
back in April/March was the use of disk shares, where
people could drop files from windows applications
which would be picked up by a U2 phantom
Woa - this one right here just picked up a large pack of users.
LOL
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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Ross Ferris
Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 6:52 PM
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Subject: Re: [U2]
We use IHS (IBM's version of Apache) and WebSphere AppServer along with
UOJ to connect to UV. Each user-initiated UOJ subroutine call to UV
establishes a new logged-in session that consumes a license while the
subroutine runs. When the data is returned to UV, the session logs off
and the license
Ross
The question that I would ask, Was this one-directional? PC to U2. Or
bi-directional? PC to U2 and back.
One-directional is data collection.
Bi-directional could be seen as a way around buying licences.
Steve
-- Sent from my Palm Pre
Ross Ferris wrote:
Interestingly, one of the
Exactly. It's been a while since I've been involved with RedBack, or
been involved in the contracts, but webshares are paid for as part of
RedBack, not UV or UD, aren't they? Dollars lost on the DB side are
gained on the RedBack side. Since our Vendor De Jour owns both pieces,
they don't
But what you are describing is connection pooling which is when you need
connection pooling licenses.
George
On 24/09/2009 23:27, Ross Ferris ro...@stamina.com.au wrote:
David,
I think your problem may be that you are logging only when you get a
request? If you were to have lines
It is the exception, you are deemed to be using an approved connection
pooling mechanism and a redback webshare costs the same as a connection
pooled database license except for the fact that that you need to buy a
database license as well as the redback license
George
On 24/09/2009 23:39,
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