[U2] [UV] Assignable SYSTEM() functions
Has anyone compiled a list of SYSTEM() functions in UniVerse to which one can ASSIGN a value of 1 or 0 to enable/disable particular functionality? I'm looking at avoiding reinventing the wheel more than anything here. But if this looks like a request for a list of undocumented options, then so be it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Archive Search
Is the archive search at www.indexinfocus.com still out of action? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] Assignable SYSTEM() functions
Hi Ray, below is a copy of an email from Glen Herbert to the list from 2001 which includes a few. Craig Original Message Subject:Re: UV: ASSIGN Date: Thu, 1 Nov 2001 01:01:29 +1100 From: Glenn Herbert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Here are a few other ASSIGN settings that might be useable? All the others are for QA debugging purposes. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(1) sets number printer channel active. Like PRINT ON number, i.e. ASSIGN 5 TO SYSTEM(1) ; * set to printer chn5 PRINT THIS GOES TO PRINTER CHANNEL 5 PRINT AS IF I DID A 'PRINT ON 5' ASSIGN -1 TO SYSTEM(1); *set back to crt display PRINT BACK on TERMINAL ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(225) changes current USERNO to number. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(1008) changes current printer channel width to number. Use in conjunction with SYSTEM(1) to set current printer channel. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(1009) changes current printer channel depth to number. Use in conjunction with SYSTEM(1) to set current printer channel. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(1010) changes current printer channel top margin to number. Use in conjunction with SYSTEM(1) to set current printer channel. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(1011) changes current printer channel bottom margin to number. Use in conjunction with SYSTEM(1) to set current printer channel. ASSIGN 1 (or 0) TO SYSTEM(1017) changes how Type1/Type19 records are read/written. Setting to 0 will result in all LF chars converted to @FM chars on reads, and @FM chars to LF chars on writes. Setting to 1 will result in no conversion, so reads and writes will retain LF chars. ASSIGN number TO SYSTEM(2101) results in a LIST.READU display. At 06:45 PM 10/30/01, you wrote: One that IS documented is the ability to assign to SYSTEM(3001) through SYSTEM(3005) to fire counters for the Windows NT performance monuitor. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Archive Search
Ray You can use the search at gmane: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.db.u2.general Brian Is the archive search at www.indexinfocus.com still out of action? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes They bought out most of MUMPS and seem to have enough former PIck folks there who were saying that it was a similar situation of needing to take Pick apps into a broader environment with today's expectations for 24/7 but with our (PICK folks') expectations of big bang for the buck too. In other words, we think like they do and there are, I think, former pickies in their midst who said it was a good match. It also sounds like they considered attempting to buy out the Pick market like they did MUMPS a while back, but it didn't happen for whatever reasons. So, they are providing what they think is an excellent technology suite and it now includes MultiValue. They are clear with their story (seemingly changing it from some time back) that there is not Cache' for MV, but that Cache' now IS MV (as well as being MUMPS and OOP). Such as Jim Idle? I know he was working for Cache. I think he was a consultant, and I think he was contracted to write the BASIC to Cache code compiler. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] unix help
Terrie, Not exactly the right forum.but, assuming you're running AIX being a Datatel customer, sshd is likely being started from /etc/rc.d/rc2.d. As to the sendmail question, you probably want to hit the Datatel forums for that one. I'm not that familiar with the Colleague admin stuff. HTH Drew Wronkiewicz, Terrie wrote: I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change it to mail and how do I change it? Thanks, Terrie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net
I was thinking about the name Uni-Data (1D) but you're right it could be DB-3D that might be better than DB-MV. Jerry - Original Message - From: Ross Ferris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 10:30 PM Subject: Spam:RE: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net Shouldn't that be DB-3D :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jerry Sent: Monday, 16 April 2007 11:45 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: Spam:RE: [U2] U2 / mv.net with one of the U2 products and start marketing it under the name DB-1D --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:[U2] unix help
You turn off ssh through the services function. Which unix are you using? If you don't mind, why would you want to turn off ssh? As far as sendmail being used by Datatel you will have to ask them or someone a little more knowledgeable about their software. Have you checked on info-datatel their mailing list? Jerry - Original Message - From: Wronkiewicz, Terrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 8:28 AM Subject: Spam:[U2] unix help I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change it to mail and how do I change it? Thanks, Terrie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole thing for a backup, which means all of your tables are old or you can attempt to fix the broken table which may or may not work. The file that contains all of your tables is not dynamically resized either. You have to keep a close eye on how much room you are taking up in this file (MUMPS.DAT). Because, when you run out of room for data you have to allocate more room to increase the size of your file, otherwise you hit a wall and your apps stop working. Because of this file structure you also have a problem with maximum file size due to operating system constraints. We have an OpenM system here which is the forerunner of Cache and that is the experience I have had with it. Once we ran out of space in the file and everything stopped working. We had to call and have the allocated space increased just to get in and cleanup logs and statistics tables that were growing. I have to constantly keep an eye on the file space to make sure we don't hit the limit and remove older statistics when it looks like we are running short. I have batch processes that prune the log files for anything over two weeks old. One time we hit, what I think, was a bad spot on the disk within the allocated space. This broke one of the tables. Luckily for us the table that got broken was one that wasn't used often and when Intersystems (or it may have been Ontario Systems, our VAR) dialed in to fix the file they were able to link to a backup we had to recover the data that got damaged after they fixed the broken table. The only other alternative would have been to bring back a backup which would mean we would have lost statistics for the time period between. Jerry - Original Message - From: Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 5:29 PM Subject: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] unix help
/sbin/service sshd stop will stop the sshd service. To stop it auto
starting on reboot it depends on perhaps what rellevel you are running on
and how it was started originally etc
you can just remove the link from /etc/rc{rellevel}.d The link will be
something like s55sshd
Or you can use your menus in the X gui to do it.
If you have it started in your rc.local (/etc/rc.d/rc.local) you can delete
the line out of there that starts it.
HTH
Symeon.
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To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [U2] unix help
I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if
Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or
mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change
it to mail and how do I change it?
Thanks,
Terrie
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Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
Sanjeeb, TOTAL will total. Look in the manuals for Retrieve. There's a lot to be gained by going through them. - Chuck Sanjeebkumar Sarangi wrote: Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
Yes. Jim no longer works for InterSystems as of February or so, but his two colleagues, John Greg, from both jBASE and Reality are still there. So, yes, it was not MUMPS developers (in general, at least) attempting to figure out what MV was all about, who write this implementation, but seasoned veterans. --dawn On 4/17/07, Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes They bought out most of MUMPS and seem to have enough former PIck folks there who were saying that it was a similar situation of needing to take Pick apps into a broader environment with today's expectations for 24/7 but with our (PICK folks') expectations of big bang for the buck too. In other words, we think like they do and there are, I think, former pickies in their midst who said it was a good match. It also sounds like they considered attempting to buy out the Pick market like they did MUMPS a while back, but it didn't happen for whatever reasons. So, they are providing what they think is an excellent technology suite and it now includes MultiValue. They are clear with their story (seemingly changing it from some time back) that there is not Cache' for MV, but that Cache' now IS MV (as well as being MUMPS and OOP). Such as Jim Idle? I know he was working for Cache. I think he was a consultant, and I think he was contracted to write the BASIC to Cache code compiler. Cheers, Wol -- Anthony W. Youngman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 'Yings, yow graley yin! Suz ae rikt dheu,' said the blue man, taking the thimble. 'What *is* he?' said Magrat. 'They're gnomes,' said Nanny. The man lowered the thimble. 'Pictsies!' Carpe Jugulum, Terry Pratchett 1998 Visit the MaVerick web-site - http://www.maverick-dbms.org Open Source Pick --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] unix help
quote who=Wronkiewicz, Terrie I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change it to mail and how do I change it? First, turning ssh off will depend on your OS. If it's Linux (Redhat specifically) run: service sshd stop though why ssh would be turned off, I can't imagine. If you are having trouble with attempted hacks, download sshblack and get it running. sendmail is an MTA. mail is a client. They are not the same thing. To find out what mail server is being used, do: telnet host.ip.add.ress 25 and it will 'answer' with the name of the server, unless some 'wise' IT person has modified the answer-back string so it's 'generic'. Now, if your system is AIX, then you would need to use: stopsrc -s sendmail if you have verified whether sendmail is the MTA (mail transport agent). HTH, Karl Thanks, Terrie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Karl Pearson Director of I.T. ATS Industrial Supply, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.atsindustrial.com 800-789-9300 x29 Local: 801-978-4429 Fax: 801-972-3888 To mess up your Linux PC, you have to really work at it; to mess up a microsoft PC you just have to work on it. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Multivalue Column
Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [AD] Selling MultiValue [/AD]
If you know anyone who might want to attend, please pass this information on To find the sessions: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/search.html?search=mul tivaluedoSearch=Search The dates: April 17, 2:00 PM US Eastern Daylights Savings Time - Tuesday April 22, 2:00 PM US Eastern Daylights Savings Time - Sunday If you need the Linux software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ If you need the Mac OSX software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/macosx/ If you need the Windows software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/ -- Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
Sanjeebkumar Sarangi wrote: Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb You might try asking Anita Panda of your own organization. Or do as was suggested to her, read the documentation on IBM's web site, take a class, or hire a consultant to your consulting agency. -- Allen Egerton aegerton at pobox dot com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Multivalue Column
What's a multivalue column? --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
Hi Jerry -- I started responding and decided I wasn't certain about some points so I passed your question along. I will get back to you on this when I get a response. What I do know is that the file structures look the same to any application software, but different to the OS. I can also pass along that I talked to several people and it definitely seems to be true that there are even fewer hours spent in sys admin each month with the approach they have, as there is no file resizing and the like to be done. I asked many questions of both the vendor and their customers and did not hear about the apps hitting a wall, so I'll see if I can find out about that. Thanks. --dawn On 4/17/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole thing for a backup, which means all of your tables are old or you can attempt to fix the broken table which may or may not work. The file that contains all of your tables is not dynamically resized either. You have to keep a close eye on how much room you are taking up in this file (MUMPS.DAT). Because, when you run out of room for data you have to allocate more room to increase the size of your file, otherwise you hit a wall and your apps stop working. Because of this file structure you also have a problem with maximum file size due to operating system constraints. We have an OpenM system here which is the forerunner of Cache and that is the experience I have had with it. Once we ran out of space in the file and everything stopped working. We had to call and have the allocated space increased just to get in and cleanup logs and statistics tables that were growing. I have to constantly keep an eye on the file space to make sure we don't hit the limit and remove older statistics when it looks like we are running short. I have batch processes that prune the log files for anything over two weeks old. One time we hit, what I think, was a bad spot on the disk within the allocated space. This broke one of the tables. Luckily for us the table that got broken was one that wasn't used often and when Intersystems (or it may have been Ontario Systems, our VAR) dialed in to fix the file they were able to link to a backup we had to recover the data that got damaged after they fixed the broken table. The only other alternative would have been to bring back a backup which would mean we would have lost statistics for the time period between. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Archive Search
Appears to be. I've been using Nabble http://www.nabble.com/U2---Users-f801.html. -- Regards, Clif Ray Wurlod wrote: Is the archive search at www.indexinfocus.com still out of action? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] unix help
I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change it to mail and how do I change it? Thanks, Terrie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
Thanks, Dawn, for that thorough response. You mention the helpdesk project at IBM. Susie S. told the Spectrum gathering at Long Beach that the embedded db is UniVerse. Perhaps we're not speaking of the same project. I was also told by others this is the coming app to manage all software and hardware calls for IBM, worldwide. Kind of you to share your investigation with the group. This give us lots to think about, when the time comes. All the best for your new venture. -Baker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Confirmation: Selling Multivalue to Upper Management
Can't join the Skypecast, says it has already finished :( -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles Barouch Sent: Monday, April 16, 2007 11:30 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [U2] Confirmation: Selling Multivalue to Upper Management If you know anyone who might want to attend, please pass this information on To find the sessions: https://skypecasts.skype.com/skypecasts/skypecast/search.html?search=mul tivaluedoSearch=Search The dates: April 17, 2:00 PM US Eastern Daylights Savings Time - Tuesday April 22, 2:00 PM US Eastern Daylights Savings Time - Sunday If you need the Linux software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/ If you need the Mac OSX software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/macosx/ If you need the Windows software: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/windows/ Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
I could be missing something, but to display the multi's, build an i-descriptor that looks like these column heads for S1 and SS2. LIST BIG.INDEX TOTAL F2 TOTAL S1 TOTAL SS2 02:02:03pm 17 Apr 2007 PAGE1 BIG.INDEX. F2 SUM(F2)... SUM(SUM(F2)) TEST13317 1331774923 1 3 2 12875 12875 11171 11171 10253 10253 9467 9467 9376 9376 8461 8461 *** 74923 7492374923 This shows field 2 of the record equalling 13317 sm 1 sm 2 vm 12875 vm 11171 vm 10253 vm 9467 vm 9376 vm 8461 no spaces of course. 1 records listed. On 4/17/07, Brutzman, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a multivalue column? --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
That looks really cool, eh? On 4/17/07, john reid [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I could be missing something, but to display the multi's, build an i-descriptor that looks like these column heads for S1 and SS2. LIST BIG.INDEX TOTAL F2 TOTAL S1 TOTAL SS2 02:02:03pm 17 Apr 2007 PAGE1 BIG.INDEX. F2 SUM(F2)... SUM(SUM(F2)) TEST13317 1331774923 1 3 2 12875 12875 11171 11171 10253 10253 9467 9467 9376 9376 8461 8461 *** 74923 7492374923 This shows field 2 of the record equalling 13317 sm 1 sm 2 vm 12875 vm 11171 vm 10253 vm 9467 vm 9376 vm 8461 no spaces of course. 1 records listed. On 4/17/07, Brutzman, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a multivalue column? --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- john -- john --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Re: Confirmation: Selling Multivalue to Upper Management
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Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
My company can provide assistance. Allen Egerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sanjeebkumar Sarangi wrote: Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb You might try asking Anita Panda of your own organization. Or do as was suggested to her, read the documentation on IBM's web site, take a class, or hire a consultant to your consulting agency. -- Allen Egerton aegerton at pobox dot com --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ - Ahhh...imagining that irresistible new car smell? Check outnew cars at Yahoo! Autos. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [U2C] U2 / Cache
Dawn, I will elaborate a little more. Unless they have changed their file structures from the OpenM system this is what you will have. When you log into their environment you will have all of the tables and program files and they may look the same as working within the MV environment. But from the operating system side looking at the file system you have one file that is humongous with a few log files outside of it. This one file, in our case it's MUMPS.DAT, is where all of those tables are and where you have logged into. It makes it convenient to back up, just back up the one file. However, the problem comes if you have a broken table (UV file). Let's say in UV you have a customer file, a client file, a vendor file, a parts file, and a wip file. If your customer file becomes corrupted in U2 a quick fix would be to rename the file from the operating system side to CUSTOMER.BAD and load the customer file from your last backup then enter any new customers since the backup. You're back in business. With Cache if the customer table becomes corrupted you can't just change the name of the table from the operating system side because it is in this black box. There may be ways from inside that box to load that one table but I am not at that level of guru on Cache. If one of the program files was damaged or if I didn't have the knowledge to reload the individual tables I would have to wait and rely on Intersystems to fix the problem. In any case there is a possibility I would have to rename the black box and reload the whole thing from backup. Then I would have to re-enter all of the Clients, customers, vendors, parts, and wip's since the last backup. Then close out any work-in-progress (wips) that had been completed. Only then could I let the users back on the system. Jerry - Original Message - From: Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache Hi Jerry -- I started responding and decided I wasn't certain about some points so I passed your question along. I will get back to you on this when I get a response. What I do know is that the file structures look the same to any application software, but different to the OS. I can also pass along that I talked to several people and it definitely seems to be true that there are even fewer hours spent in sys admin each month with the approach they have, as there is no file resizing and the like to be done. I asked many questions of both the vendor and their customers and did not hear about the apps hitting a wall, so I'll see if I can find out about that. Thanks. --dawn On 4/17/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole thing for a backup, which means all of your tables are old or you can attempt to fix the broken table which may or may not work. The file that contains all of your tables is not dynamically resized either. You have to keep a close eye on how much room you are taking up in this file (MUMPS.DAT). Because, when you run out of room for data you have to allocate more room to increase the size of your file, otherwise you hit a wall and your apps stop working. Because of this file structure you also have a problem with maximum file size due to operating system constraints. We have an OpenM system here which is the forerunner of Cache and that is the experience I have had with it. Once we ran out of space in the file and everything stopped working. We had to call and have the allocated space increased just to get in and cleanup logs and statistics tables that were growing. I have to constantly keep an eye on the file space to make sure we don't hit the limit and remove older statistics when it looks like we are running short. I have batch processes that prune the log files for anything over two weeks old. One time we hit, what I think, was a bad spot on the disk within the allocated space. This broke one of the tables. Luckily for us the table that got broken was one that wasn't used often and when Intersystems (or it may have been Ontario Systems, our VAR) dialed in to fix the file they were able to link to a backup we had to recover the data that got damaged after they fixed the broken table. The only other alternative would have been to bring back a backup which would mean we would have lost statistics for the time period between. Jerry --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list
RE: [U2] Multivalue Column
Use an I descriptor and the sum syntax Dave R e Fax (815)4259364 P.O. Box 17811, Irvine CA 92623-7811 -- Brutzman, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a multivalue column? --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] [U2C] U2 / Cache
Jerry and others, I've been hesitent to respond here because I'll just be duplicating material in my blog and from my series of articles in Spectrum Magazine on all of these business and technical topics. I will say that you need to consider that Cache' revenue is almost equally split between new licenses and support fees. For a company with over $200 Million in annual revenue, this means InterSystems has a lot of happy clients and they're constantly getting more. I think it's reasonable to assume that file management is at least adequate if not entirely stable, considering the number of sites using this software and the high-profile nature of these sites, including U.S Veteran's Administration, Department of Defense, and critical healthcare and government agencies all over the world. The database hasn't been hit by a GFE-type error in years. It simply works, and doesn't require constant tuning. Our personal familiarity with such things prompts the reasonable questions, but in that world the issues just don't exist. There are essentially two file structures, the traditional Globals, and the MV files which are Globals too, just structured like dynamic arrays. MV accounts in Cache' have files just like U2, in-line files and DIR files (type 19). There is reportedly no performance lost in working with MV files vs globals. Someone expressed the sentiment that what's old is new, etc. Cache' is built on generations of MUMPS like Universe and Unidata are built on their predecessors. Considering the very similar histories of these products, it will be very difficult for MV people to stick their noses up at Cache' heritage. What should be more important to decision makers than heritage is that the DBMS works very well and is supported by a very large and well organized company. For all of the reasons why people use U2, they should also seek to understand Cache'. I'm not even talking about migrations necessarily. In today's world of SOA (big on the IBM agenda) a U2 site that can integrate with Cache' has a definite advantage over a site that does not, whether via Java, .NET, Web Services, SOA, or by other means. For business reasons anyone integrating with a site (or trading partner or business prospect) that already has Cache' should understand it - and it's just a bonus that MV code works in Cache' itself. HTH TG@ removethisNebula-RnD.com Jerry wrote: Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole thing for a backup, which means all of your tables are old or you can attempt to fix the broken table which may or may not work. The file that contains all of your tables is not dynamically resized either. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Confirmation: Selling Multivalue to Upper Management
Peter (and others), Skype had a glitch. I'm doing it all again on Sunday (same time of day) and I'm working with Skype to resolve the issue. Please join me then. If you cannot, let me know, I *may* be doing a tyhird shot for the Australia/New Zealand crowd. - Chuck Peter Veenhof wrote: Can't join the Skypecast, says it has already finished :( --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
On 4/17/07, Baker Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks, Dawn, for that thorough response. You mention the helpdesk project at IBM. Susie S. told the Spectrum gathering at Long Beach that the embedded db is UniVerse. Perhaps we're not speaking of the same project. I was also told by others this is the coming app to manage all software and hardware calls for IBM, worldwide. Yes, that was my reply -- that I thought that the app that does or will manage all such calls is UniVerse. I do not recall the exact response, but my impression, which could very well be wrong, is that it is UniVerse and it is going to be Cache'. I would like to know the actual situation on this, however. It just seems like a terribly poor business decision for IBM to write a new application with a database product from another company when they want to claim that they have the best solutions (or perhaps that is not their claim?) But if it really is the case that IBM will be writing new software with Cache', then I will say that I understand why. I had to evaluate database and tool solutions for my own project and I came to the conclusion that I would use Cache'. Maybe IBM and I think alike afterall ;-) I gotta think that such a decision by IBM could have implications for getting more resources to the U2 group to add the types of features and quality benchmarks (24/7 approach, for example) to the own products so that at some point perhaps they can migrate back to U2??? Or do I have this story completely wrong? Inquiring minds... Kind of you to share your investigation with the group. This give us lots to think about, when the time comes. Please note that I really wanted U2 to be the right answer as I do not dismiss loyalty from project requirements easily. But for the sake of my company, the case was too compelling and I felt I had to choose Cache' over U2. It wasn't ONLY that I like to attend a lively conference with folks working with the same technology platform ;-) All the best for your new venture. Thanks a bunch. Once I actually have something to show in public (figure a year from now, but I'll aim for sooner), I will let folks here know where they can take a look at it. It will still be MultiValue, even if not U2. Cheers! --dawn -Baker --- -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
I'll pass along this answer on both u2-users and u2-community, but please respond on community since this is not about U2, per se. Thanks. See below. --dawn On 4/17/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole thing for a backup, which means all of your tables are old or you can attempt to fix the broken table which may or may not work. The file that contains all of your tables is not dynamically resized either. You have to keep a close eye on how much room you are taking up in this file (MUMPS.DAT). Because, when you run out of room for data you have to allocate more room to increase the size of your file, otherwise you hit a wall and your apps stop working. Because of this file structure you also have a problem with maximum file size due to operating system constraints. Below is what my sales engineer said when I asked him this question: quote There are a couple of assumptions about this premise. The fact that the multiple files is some how more reliable has the major flaw that you are reliant upon the Operating System for database integrity. This is seen by the assertion that things DO break i.e. the very construct of broken table as a common concept indicates this problem. We have addressed this fundamental problem by decades of constant improvement to the foot printing portion of our engine. With us tables don't break. And for the unbelieving among us, we have backups, AND we have the ability to export any sub-set. When anything DOES break, you will ALWAYS be at the mercy of the 'last back up'. We go to great lengths to make the database integrity something that you CAN place peoples lives on (and almost 80% of all clinical data in the US DOES just that!) Can things become corrupt, certainly they can, just as the file structure at the OS level can become corrupt. Storage hardware CAN fail. Multiple files does not lessen this at all, and the pay back in both performance and reliability that comes from putting the entire foot printing under our control more than (in our opinion) out weighs the perceived 'risk'. This is really just a mind set shift that needs to happen. /quote He then makes a comment about whether one has more faith in the OS or the DB in the MV world. In the next info, the term global is what we would call a file. quote For me, I have more faith in Cache then the OS'es we run on (and btw, both Cache OS faith is VERY HIGH). Plus with what we call Subscript Level Mapping you CAN put separate globals (or subsets of global values) into different databases (CACHE.DAT files) all mapped to the same Namespace. So, in MV terms, Each Account CAN in fact have multiple OS level footprints. We don't default to doing that, since there is admin. to setup and manage the mappings, and we don't force the assumption of WHICH globals or global sub scripted value ranges make sense to have separated. So in practice, you have MORE flexibility than the MV model of a file HAS to be in a single file. We default to everything, but offer a finer granularity, should a data layout dictate that it makes sense to break things out, therefore this is a non issue. Our disk footprint IS allocated more space as needed dynamically, but we do NOT reduce (dynamically) the footprint. Once we have the image on disk, we only reduce that through an overt compact process (should it ever be needed). If you DO fill up, then YES we will (to keep from corrupting the footprint) halt. But monitoring how much space is being used is just common sense for a DBA. As for the maximum disk file size, YES each OS'es file structure does have an upper limit per file. But since the Namespaces can point to multiple CACHE.DAT files (I haven't seen them referred to as MUMPS.DAT files for decades)...the maximum live data set can be be HUGE!!! At 32TB per database and 16k of subscript level mappings possible, the upper limit is 576,460,752,303,423,488 bytes of live data (1/2 Exabyte) /quote We have an OpenM system here which is the forerunner of Cache and that is the experience I have had with it. Once we ran out of space in the file and everything stopped working. We had to call and have the allocated space increased just to get in and cleanup logs and statistics tables that were growing. I have to constantly keep an eye on the file space to make sure we don't hit the limit and remove older statistics when it looks like we are running short. I have batch processes that prune the log files for anything over two weeks old. One time we hit, what I think, was a bad spot on the disk within the allocated space. This broke one of the tables.
[U2] Speaking up for MultiValue
All, The IOD (IBM Information on Demand) Conference is asking for speakers. If you would like to propose a topic: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/conf/speakers.html If you are considering attending: http://www-306.ibm.com/software/data/conf/sponsor.html Charles Barouch ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) www.KeyAlly.com (718) 762-3884 x 1 P. O. Box 540957, Queens, NY 11354 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Multivalue Column
My company can help. Tom Dodds InformCorp, LLC Information for Corporations [EMAIL PROTECTED] 708-234-9608 Office 630-235-2975 Cell -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 7:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
One thing to be careful with Cache is that it does not have the same transaction processing as U2. With U2 modifications made in a transaction block are not visible to other users until commit, as I have been advised in Cache those modifications are immediately visible to other users. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Multivalue Column
Laughing. Yes, you get columns in tables where there are rows, but attributes or fields in files with records or items. A multi-valued column is a mixture of terms. On the other hand, a multivalue column could be a multi-valued attribute (let's call it MVATTR) in an sql-ized file in U2 (we will call it THIS) against which one can write SELECT MVATTR FROM THIS; --dawn On 4/17/07, Brutzman, Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's a multivalue column? --Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Sanjeebkumar Sarangi Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 10:12 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Multivalue Column Hi, Suppose, I have a multivalue column. How can I get the sum of all the values ? If I want to create an array of the elements present in the multivalue column, then how can I do it ? Please give me some examples. Thanks, Sanjeeb =-=-= Notice: The information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, any dissemination, use, review, distribution, printing or copying of the information contained in this e-mail message and/or attachments to it are strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us by reply e-mail or telephone and immediately and permanently delete the message and any attachments. Thank you --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. tincat-group.com Take and give some delight today --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [U2C] U2 / Cache
On 4/17/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn, I will elaborate a little more. Unless they have changed their file structures from the OpenM system this is what you will have. When you log into their environment you will have all of the tables and program files and they may look the same as working within the MV environment. But from the operating system side looking at the file system you have one file that is humongous with a few log files outside of it. Yes, I think that is the case as the default, and you can make changes to have a many to many relationship between OS files and Pick files. This one file, in our case it's MUMPS.DAT, is where all of those tables are and where you have logged into. I think that what is different is that InterSystems has made significant enhancements to their product, to reliability and scalability as well as features like AJAX, in the past decade or so, with many of these enhancements now available to Pick folks too. I have not seen another MV implementation put the time, money, and creativity into their products, giving them the same level of uptime, scalability and features that Cache' has. I don't need to be their sales arm here, and I am working with my before-I-do-real-things-with-it information, so you might want to ask me again in a half year or so. I did ask around regarding supporting the sys admin and their customers don't seem to think about broken files at all. Their 24/7 support desk sounds like it is top notch from the standpoint of customers. It makes it convenient to back up, just back up the one file. However, the problem comes if you have a broken table (UV file). Let's say in UV you have a customer file, a client file, a vendor file, a parts file, and a wip file. If your customer file becomes corrupted in U2 a quick fix would be to rename the file from the operating system side to CUSTOMER.BAD and load the customer file from your last backup then enter any new customers since the backup. You're back in business. I gather that you would instead restore a namespace and then potentially apply the transactions that were entered since that time. This would keep the referential integrity too. They explained how their backups work to backup the database while it is running. It is really very impressive. I don't think I was the only one who made an audible wow type of sound after hearing the specifics from the tech folks. If you are interested, I'm sure they would be more than happy to chat with you about it. If you want to write up a specific question, I can pass it along. I am not so smitten that I think that everything will be honkey dory, however (am I sounding like an old lady or what?!), as I'm certain there will be plenty of why did they do it like that moments as we get into the details. But I'm very impressed so far. Cheers! --dawn With Cache if the customer table becomes corrupted you can't just change the name of the table from the operating system side because it is in this black box. There may be ways from inside that box to load that one table but I am not at that level of guru on Cache. If one of the program files was damaged or if I didn't have the knowledge to reload the individual tables I would have to wait and rely on Intersystems to fix the problem. In any case there is a possibility I would have to rename the black box and reload the whole thing from backup. Then I would have to re-enter all of the Clients, customers, vendors, parts, and wip's since the last backup. Then close out any work-in-progress (wips) that had been completed. Only then could I let the users back on the system. Jerry - Original Message - From: Dawn Wolthuis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, April 17, 2007 11:15 AM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache Hi Jerry -- I started responding and decided I wasn't certain about some points so I passed your question along. I will get back to you on this when I get a response. What I do know is that the file structures look the same to any application software, but different to the OS. I can also pass along that I talked to several people and it definitely seems to be true that there are even fewer hours spent in sys admin each month with the approach they have, as there is no file resizing and the like to be done. I asked many questions of both the vendor and their customers and did not hear about the apps hitting a wall, so I'll see if I can find out about that. Thanks. --dawn On 4/17/07, Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dawn, One thing I don't think you mentioned is the file structure. Tell me if I'm wrong. The file structure is not like U2 at all. Unlike U2, and all other PICK environments, which have separate files for each table, Cache has one file that contains all of you tables. The one big problem with this file arrangement is that if you get a broken table your whole database is broken. You can either scrap the whole
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] RE: [U2C] U2 / Cache
I'm pretty sure you are right about that, David. We had them explain transactions and it sounds like it makes complete sense to use that feature in Cache' where I have never used it in U2. --dawn Dawn M. Wolthuis Tincat Group, Inc. On 4/17/07, David Jordan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One thing to be careful with Cache is that it does not have the same transaction processing as U2. With U2 modifications made in a transaction block are not visible to other users until commit, as I have been advised in Cache those modifications are immediately visible to other users. Regards David Jordan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Confirmation: Selling Multivalue to Upper Management
If there's anyone in the longitudes who is usually in the middle of REM sleep when these seminars are scheduled and are interested in listening in, would you care to send an e-mail of encouragement to Chuck to do a seminar at a time we're awake for. I'd be happier with anytime from 07:00 - 22:00 Aus EST (21:00 - 12:00 UTC) Cheers, Stuart -Original Message- Peter (and others), Skype had a glitch. I'm doing it all again on Sunday (same time of day) and I'm working with Skype to resolve the issue. Please join me then. If you cannot, let me know, I *may* be doing a tyhird shot for the Australia/New Zealand crowd. - Chuck ** This email message and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of addressed recipient(s). If you have received this communication in error, please reply to this e-mail to notify the sender of its incorrect delivery and then delete it and your reply. It is your responsibility to check this email and any attachments for viruses and defects before opening or sending them on. Spotless collects information about you to provide and market our services. For information about use, disclosure and access, see our privacy policy at http://www.spotless.com.au Please consider our environment before printing this email. ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
