Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread Brian Leach
Tony As always, you make some good points. I think maybe we I was wrong to talk about 'marketing' - a better word would have been 'awareness'. That's what we (U2UG) have to get to grips with, and haven't yet. One of the questions I hear all too often - and I'm sure others on the list do as well

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread George Land
On 15/03/2011 20:04, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/15/2011 5:10:43 AM Pacific Daylight Time, br...@brianleach.co.uk writes: Plus of course, since we don't charge fees, we don't have any budget to advertise our presence! Why isn't Rocket themselves giving a

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread David Jordan
Dan raise some interesting questions and I thought I would put down some answer below to the points he raised. However the issue here is not the effectiveness of the board, but we as a community. After a number of years as second fiddle through Informix and IBM, we have all developed a siege

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/18/2011 4:24:44 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: A big part of the reason is that the user group is not a properly constituted organisation in the sense of being a corporation or other legal entity that can hold money. Whilst

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread George Land
Not relevant. Rocket can provide a *budget* item, which the U2UG could *direct* without the U2UG ever actually holding the money. Speaking as a member of the U2 user group board I think I represent the views of the whole board when I say that we have no issues whatsoever with the support

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/18/2011 10:23:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Speaking as a member of the U2 user group board I think I represent the views of the whole board when I say that we have no issues whatsoever with the support that we receive from Rocket.

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread George Land
On 18/03/2011 17:53, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: Any group is only as effective as the resources they have at their disposal, including money. So yes, without money I'm going to be pointing fingers at Rocket to ask, where's the financial support Rocket? Are you being

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind with Rocket? Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack in there to try to convince the reading audience not to listen.

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread George Land
On 18/03/2011 21:49, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Are you being deliberately perverse or do you have some axe to grind with Rocket? Yes be sure to throw an ad hominem attack

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment

2011-03-18 Thread FFT2001
In a message dated 3/18/2011 3:34:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: On 18/03/2011 21:49, fft2...@aol.com fft2...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 3/18/2011 1:02:07 PM Pacific Daylight Time, george.l...@aptsolutions.net writes: Are you being

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam

2011-03-18 Thread Bill Brutzman
I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at a ToastMasters meeting. The idea is to stop using the word you altogether. Easier said than done. The beauty of the I-Beam is that it removes blaming others. Thus... I wish that Rocket would see that 123 and then did

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam

2011-03-18 Thread Bill Haskett
Bill: My wife has reminded me of this fact for years!I hardly know what the word you means anymore. :-) Bill On 3/18/2011 5:14 PM, Bill Brutzman wrote: I learned about the I-Beam of Interpersonal Communications at

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam

2011-03-18 Thread Robert Houben
Good point, Bill, I think one sometimes uses you when one means someone other than themselves, without intending to pin the reader with the crime being mentioned. The English language does not differentiate plural, general you from singular, specific you (unless you're from the deep south, in

Re: [U2] U2UG Elections 2010 - Request For Comment - The I-Beam

2011-03-18 Thread Charlie Noah
Hi Bill, First, I believe what you say. I just find it hard to accept that ToastMasters, a fine and well-respected organization, would want everyone to always say I, and never say you. Personally, if someone I was dealing with constantly said I this and I that, I would tune them out very