Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

[Kevin King]

Not focusing on connection pooling at this point but that may be a
consideration for the future.  I've found that the overhead of the two
Apache method is so small that most of the gains offered by connection
pooling are minimized.
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Re: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - ITLegal Issues

[John Hester]

There's a decent bullet-point presentation on cloud legal issues
available on Cisco's site:

http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/privacy_compliance/d
ocs/CloudPrimer.pdf

As far as liability for data theft, it sounds like that's negotiable
between the client and cloud provider.  I doubt there's any standard at
this point.  There are a whole host of federal and state regulations
that come into play regarding theft of personal data, though.  If you're
storing business to consumer sales data, there is potentially a lot to
consider.  Business to business data is probably much less of an issue.

-John 

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Subject: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info -
ITLegal Issues

The company I work for is looking at a product that stores a bunch of
"our"
sales data in the "cloud"

Our internal legal person had a look at the contract that the company is
proposing and apparently it has a little clause in their that they are
not liable if the data gets stolen.
Is this standard with cloud products?

Also, I remember some folks at Spectrum talking about this, and I still
have the business cards, but, I am not in the office, AND I foolishly
forgot to store them in my contacts.

Susan J., I think you probably talked about this?
Maybe I can have my legal person fill out a contact form on your site?

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Re: [U2] Simple SB screen display question

[Woodward, Bob]

Thanks Marco.  I've tried both 2 and -2 but neither seems to do the
trick.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 3:09 PM
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Hi
 
Try this
 
REFRESH = -2
 
Regards, Marco
 

> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:30:31 -0800
> From: bob_woodw...@k2sports.com
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] Simple SB screen display question
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> 
> I sent this to the SB-Solutions list first but I think something is
> messed up with my registration there.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I have a simple need, I think. I have a screen that has a MV
> field that I want to display the first two values when I leave the
> field. The user may enter a number of values and in the process after
> I'm going to a basic program where I'm doing some data manipulation.
> When I'm done, I have everything in RECORD<14,1> and <14,2> with the
> rest of the values cleared. On the screen, the last two values, which
> are now empty, is what's displayed. How can I re-display the now
> updated contents of RECORD<14> (and VALUE)? I thought REFRESH = 2
would
> do it but no joy.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> BobW
> 
> 
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Re: [U2] Simple SB screen display question

[Marco Antonio Rojas Castro]

Hi
 
Try this
 
REFRESH = -2
 
Regards, Marco
 

> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:30:31 -0800
> From: bob_woodw...@k2sports.com
> To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org
> Subject: [U2] Simple SB screen display question
> 
> Hi folks,
> 
> 
> 
> I sent this to the SB-Solutions list first but I think something is
> messed up with my registration there.
> 
> 
> 
> Anyway, I have a simple need, I think. I have a screen that has a MV
> field that I want to display the first two values when I leave the
> field. The user may enter a number of values and in the process after
> I'm going to a basic program where I'm doing some data manipulation.
> When I'm done, I have everything in RECORD<14,1> and <14,2> with the
> rest of the values cleared. On the screen, the last two values, which
> are now empty, is what's displayed. How can I re-display the now
> updated contents of RECORD<14> (and VALUE)? I thought REFRESH = 2 would
> do it but no joy.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> BobW
> 
> 
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[John Thompson]

Thanks for the info folks.

On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Martin Braid  wrote:

> You could of course ESEARCH for the string "ompleted." And when that
> produces a select list, smash them to hell and back.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Symeon Breen
> Sent: 30 November 2011 19:40
> To: 'U2 Users List'
> Subject: Re: [U2] I-Type question in &PH&
>
> Or if you are on *nix something like
>
> find /usr/ud/accounts/accountname/_PH_ -mtime +2 -exec rm -rf {} \;
>
> deletes anything over 2 days old
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org
> [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Colin Alfke
> Sent: 30 November 2011 16:37
> To: 'U2 Users List'
> Subject: Re: [U2] I-Type question in &PH&
>
> UniData has the _PH_ file which is a DIR type file. There is the DIR()
> function that will return a lot of information for you without the
> expense of opening the file. Perhaps UniVerse has something similar.
>
> See  for examples and
> code on how to use it to get the OS date/time/size quickly and easily.
>
> hth
> Colin
> Calgary, Canada
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Perry Taylor
>
> If you don't want to mess with the "nuances" of the &PH& ID you can call
> a subroutine which does an OPENSEQ then uses STATUS to get the
> modification date right from the file system.
>
> Perry
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Charles Stevenson
>
> You can also get elapsed time by subtracting that ID date-time stamp
> from the os's date-time-modified stamp, which is when the job ended. (if
> the job writes to the &PH& log as it ends.)
>
> On 11/29/2011 4:01 PM, John Thompson wrote:
> > Yep... need more sleep.  Thanks.
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
> >
> >> Third field, not second field
> >> FIELD(@ID,'_',3)
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: John Thompson
> >>
> >>
> >> So I thought I would build an I-type to get the date of the&PH& items
>
> >> in niverse so I could more easily purge them...
> >> The item id looks like so:
> >> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641
> >> The friendly manual says that the item id is:
> >> hantomverb_time_date
> >> So my I-type looks like so:
> >> 001 I
> >> 02 FIELD(@ID,'_',2)
> >> 03
> >> 04 Date
> >> 05 10
> >> 06 R
> >> And of course, I have not put in the conversion code yet...
> >> The output of the I-type is this:
> >> ID..
> >> Date..
> >> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 23400.0
> >> What am I missing?
> >> Shouldn't Date be 15641?
> >> --
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[Martin Braid]

You could of course ESEARCH for the string "ompleted." And when that
produces a select list, smash them to hell and back.

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Subject: Re: [U2] I-Type question in &PH&

Or if you are on *nix something like

find /usr/ud/accounts/accountname/_PH_ -mtime +2 -exec rm -rf {} \;

deletes anything over 2 days old


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Sent: 30 November 2011 16:37
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] I-Type question in &PH&

UniData has the _PH_ file which is a DIR type file. There is the DIR()
function that will return a lot of information for you without the
expense of opening the file. Perhaps UniVerse has something similar.

See  for examples and
code on how to use it to get the OS date/time/size quickly and easily.

hth
Colin
Calgary, Canada

-Original Message-
From: Perry Taylor

If you don't want to mess with the "nuances" of the &PH& ID you can call
a subroutine which does an OPENSEQ then uses STATUS to get the
modification date right from the file system.

Perry

- Original Message -
From: Charles Stevenson

You can also get elapsed time by subtracting that ID date-time stamp
from the os's date-time-modified stamp, which is when the job ended. (if
the job writes to the &PH& log as it ends.)

On 11/29/2011 4:01 PM, John Thompson wrote:
> Yep... need more sleep.  Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>
>> Third field, not second field
>> FIELD(@ID,'_',3)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Thompson
>>
>>
>> So I thought I would build an I-type to get the date of the&PH& items

>> in niverse so I could more easily purge them...
>> The item id looks like so:
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641
>> The friendly manual says that the item id is:
>> hantomverb_time_date
>> So my I-type looks like so:
>> 001 I
>> 02 FIELD(@ID,'_',2)
>> 03
>> 04 Date
>> 05 10
>> 06 R
>> And of course, I have not put in the conversion code yet...
>> The output of the I-type is this:
>> ID..
>> Date..
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 23400.0
>> What am I missing?
>> Shouldn't Date be 15641?
>> --
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Re: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal Issues

[Charlie Noah]

Hi John,

It's just my opinion, but I just don't trust the "cloud" that much, no 
matter what the contract says.


Regards,

Charlie Noah
Charles W. Noah Associates
cwn...@comcast.net

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On 11-30-2011 3:25 PM, John Thompson wrote:

The company I work for is looking at a product that stores a bunch of "our"
sales data in the "cloud"

Our internal legal person had a look at the contract that the company is
proposing and apparently it has a little clause in their that they are not
liable if the data gets stolen.
Is this standard with cloud products?

Also, I remember some folks at Spectrum talking about this, and I still
have the business cards, but, I am not in the office,
AND I foolishly forgot to store them in my contacts.

Susan J., I think you probably talked about this?
Maybe I can have my legal person fill out a contact form on your site?

(sj+ dot com)



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Re: [U2] Simple SB screen display question

[Charlie Noah]

Oops, replied to wrong message, sorry.

Charlie Noah
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On 11-30-2011 3:39 PM, Charlie Noah wrote:

Hi Bob,

It's just my opinion, but I just don't trust the "cloud" that much, no 
matter what the contract says.


Regards,

Charlie Noah
Charles W. Noah Associates
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On 11-30-2011 2:30 PM, Woodward, Bob wrote:

Hi folks,



I sent this to the SB-Solutions list first but I think something is
messed up with my registration there.



Anyway, I have a simple need, I think.  I have a screen that has a MV
field that I want to display the first two values when I leave the
field.  The user may enter a number of values and in the process after
I'm going to a basic program where I'm doing some data manipulation.
When I'm done, I have everything in RECORD<14,1>  and<14,2>  with the
rest of the values cleared.  On the screen, the last two values, which
are now empty, is what's displayed.  How can I re-display the now
updated contents of RECORD<14>  (and VALUE)?  I thought REFRESH = 2 would
do it but no joy.



Thanks.

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Re: [U2] Simple SB screen display question

[Charlie Noah]

Hi Bob,

It's just my opinion, but I just don't trust the "cloud" that much, no 
matter what the contract says.


Regards,

Charlie Noah
Charles W. Noah Associates
cwn...@comcast.net



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On 11-30-2011 2:30 PM, Woodward, Bob wrote:

Hi folks,



I sent this to the SB-Solutions list first but I think something is
messed up with my registration there.



Anyway, I have a simple need, I think.  I have a screen that has a MV
field that I want to display the first two values when I leave the
field.  The user may enter a number of values and in the process after
I'm going to a basic program where I'm doing some data manipulation.
When I'm done, I have everything in RECORD<14,1>  and<14,2>  with the
rest of the values cleared.  On the screen, the last two values, which
are now empty, is what's displayed.  How can I re-display the now
updated contents of RECORD<14>  (and VALUE)?  I thought REFRESH = 2 would
do it but no joy.



Thanks.

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Re: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal Issues

[David Jordan]

Something people do not understand with many cloud applications.  When they say 
multitenant, that means that I have 1 table per function for all clients.   So 
my customer file would have a key client.no*customer.no, my parts file would be 
client.no*part.no and so on.

How client 1 sees only client 1 data is dependent on the software selecting 
client 1 from each table.   You cannot secure a database on the basis of an 
index, so client 1 and client 2 have the same access to the database and depend 
on security written in the program.  

You can then understand why the contract has such a term on it.

Regards

David Jordan

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Sent: Thursday, 1 December 2011 8:25 AM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal 
Issues

The company I work for is looking at a product that stores a bunch of "our"
sales data in the "cloud"

Our internal legal person had a look at the contract that the company is 
proposing and apparently it has a little clause in their that they are not 
liable if the data gets stolen.
Is this standard with cloud products?

Also, I remember some folks at Spectrum talking about this, and I still have 
the business cards, but, I am not in the office, AND I foolishly forgot to 
store them in my contacts.

Susan J., I think you probably talked about this?
Maybe I can have my legal person fill out a contact form on your site?

(sj+ dot com)


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Re: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal Issues

[Daniel McGrath]

>From AWS Amazon's customer agreement: 

"FURTHER, NEITHER WE NOR ANY OF OUR AFFILIATES OR LICENSORS WILL BE RESPONSIBLE 
FOR ANY COMPENSATION, REIMBURSEMENT, OR DAMAGES ARISING IN CONNECTION WITH: 
  (D) ANY UNAUTHORIZED ACCESS TO, ALTERATION OF, OR THE DELETION, 
DESTRUCTION, DAMAGE, LOSS OR FAILURE TO STORE ANY OF YOUR CONTENT OR OTHER DATA"

I think you will find it is quite common. That is why it is extremely important 
to analyze the risks vs benefits of any outsourcing, particularly of your data 
and take any necessary precautions (such as encrypting your data) to minimize 
those risks.

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Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 2:25 PM
To: U2 Users List
Subject: [U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal 
Issues

The company I work for is looking at a product that stores a bunch of "our"
sales data in the "cloud"

Our internal legal person had a look at the contract that the company is 
proposing and apparently it has a little clause in their that they are not 
liable if the data gets stolen.
Is this standard with cloud products?

Also, I remember some folks at Spectrum talking about this, and I still have 
the business cards, but, I am not in the office, AND I foolishly forgot to 
store them in my contacts.

Susan J., I think you probably talked about this?
Maybe I can have my legal person fill out a contact form on your site?

(sj+ dot com)


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[U2] Cloud Legal Question - and a request for Contact Info - IT Legal Issues

[John Thompson]

The company I work for is looking at a product that stores a bunch of "our"
sales data in the "cloud"

Our internal legal person had a look at the contract that the company is
proposing and apparently it has a little clause in their that they are not
liable if the data gets stolen.
Is this standard with cloud products?

Also, I remember some folks at Spectrum talking about this, and I still
have the business cards, but, I am not in the office,
AND I foolishly forgot to store them in my contacts.

Susan J., I think you probably talked about this?
Maybe I can have my legal person fill out a contact form on your site?

(sj+ dot com)


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[U2] Simple SB screen display question

[Woodward, Bob]

Hi folks,

 

I sent this to the SB-Solutions list first but I think something is
messed up with my registration there.

 

Anyway, I have a simple need, I think.  I have a screen that has a MV
field that I want to display the first two values when I leave the
field.  The user may enter a number of values and in the process after
I'm going to a basic program where I'm doing some data manipulation.
When I'm done, I have everything in RECORD<14,1> and <14,2> with the
rest of the values cleared.  On the screen, the last two values, which
are now empty, is what's displayed.  How can I re-display the now
updated contents of RECORD<14> (and VALUE)?  I thought REFRESH = 2 would
do it but no joy.

 

Thanks.

BobW

 

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Or if you are on *nix something like

find /usr/ud/accounts/accountname/_PH_ -mtime +2 -exec rm -rf {} \;

deletes anything over 2 days old


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Sent: 30 November 2011 16:37
To: 'U2 Users List'
Subject: Re: [U2] I-Type question in &PH&

UniData has the _PH_ file which is a DIR type file. There is the DIR()
function that will return a lot of information for you without the expense
of opening the file. Perhaps UniVerse has something similar.

See  for examples and
code on how to use it to get the OS date/time/size quickly and easily.

hth
Colin
Calgary, Canada

-Original Message-
From: Perry Taylor

If you don't want to mess with the "nuances" of the &PH& ID you can call a
subroutine which does an OPENSEQ then uses STATUS to get the modification
date right from the file system.

Perry

- Original Message -
From: Charles Stevenson

You can also get elapsed time by subtracting that ID date-time stamp from
the os's date-time-modified stamp, which is when the job ended. (if the job
writes to the &PH& log as it ends.)

On 11/29/2011 4:01 PM, John Thompson wrote:
> Yep... need more sleep.  Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>
>> Third field, not second field
>> FIELD(@ID,'_',3)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Thompson
>>
>>
>> So I thought I would build an I-type to get the date of the&PH&  
>> items in niverse so I could more easily purge them...
>> The item id looks like so:
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641
>> The friendly manual says that the item id is:
>> hantomverb_time_date
>> So my I-type looks like so:
>> 001 I
>> 02 FIELD(@ID,'_',2)
>> 03
>> 04 Date
>> 05 10
>> 06 R
>> And of course, I have not put in the conversion code yet...
>> The output of the I-type is this:
>> ID..
>> Date..
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 23400.0
>> What am I missing?
>> Shouldn't Date be 15641?
>> --
>> ohn Thompson

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[Colin Alfke]

UniData has the _PH_ file which is a DIR type file. There is the DIR()
function that will return a lot of information for you without the expense
of opening the file. Perhaps UniVerse has something similar.

See  for examples and
code on how to use it to get the OS date/time/size quickly and easily.

hth
Colin
Calgary, Canada

-Original Message-
From: Perry Taylor

If you don't want to mess with the "nuances" of the &PH& ID you can call a
subroutine which does an OPENSEQ then uses STATUS to get the modification
date right from the file system.

Perry

- Original Message -
From: Charles Stevenson

You can also get elapsed time by subtracting that ID date-time stamp 
from the os's date-time-modified stamp, which is when the job ended. (if 
the job writes to the &PH& log as it ends.)

On 11/29/2011 4:01 PM, John Thompson wrote:
> Yep... need more sleep.  Thanks.
>
> On Tue, Nov 29, 2011 at 4:58 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
>
>> Third field, not second field
>> FIELD(@ID,'_',3)
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: John Thompson
>>
>>
>> So I thought I would build an I-type to get the date of the&PH&  items in
>> niverse so I could more easily purge them...
>> The item id looks like so:
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641
>> The friendly manual says that the item id is:
>> hantomverb_time_date
>> So my I-type looks like so:
>> 001 I
>> 02 FIELD(@ID,'_',2)
>> 03
>> 04 Date
>> 05 10
>> 06 R
>> And of course, I have not put in the conversion code yet...
>> The output of the I-type is this:
>> ID..
>> Date..
>> AUTOMATED.UPDATE.REO_23400_15641 23400.0
>> What am I missing?
>> Shouldn't Date be 15641?
>> --
>> ohn Thompson

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Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

[Symeon Breen]

If it were .net  and also managed pooling then I would be interested.

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[mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King
Sent: 30 November 2011 01:28
To: U2 Users List
Subject: Re: [U2] Unidata 7.1 Unresponsive UO Connection

Symeon, I'm working on an article series for Spectrum that over the next
three installments will be writing a general purpose web connector using a
little bit of PHP, a little bit of BASIC, and a couple of Apache instances.
 I'm also speaking at the Spectrum conference in April on the same topic.
 Perhaps this could be of some use for you with your current traffic level?
 In our tests we can get a lot more throughput through this connector than
we ever could with UO.
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