RE: [U2] HP Laserjets and AIX/Unix
The 4250 doesn't have *nix listed as a supported operating system, either. Since you're probably just sending plain text or embedding your own PCL commands, I would expect it to work ok. I suspect the supported is really referring to the interoperability of the printer with the OS (Hi, I'm an HP 4250dtn! Please tell me you're not Windows Vista!) ;-) Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of JPB-U2UG Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 11:35 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] HP Laserjets and AIX/Unix Seems strange that HP would have done that since they have their own 'nix, HP-UX. Jerry Banker Senior Programmer Analyst IBM Certified Solutions Expert -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 9:36 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] HP Laserjets and AIX/Unix Looks like HP has discontinued the 4240, 4250, 4350 LaserJets and their various tnd models and replaced them with various models P4014, P4015 and P4515 with some new letters. While we can still find leftovers of the old models, it is only a matter of time. The only Supported operating systems Windows 2000; Windows XP Home; Windows XP Professional; Windows Server 2003; Certified for Windows Vista(R); Mac OS X v 10.2; Mac OS X v 10.3 or higher No Unix or AIX. Nor Linux for that matter. Has anybody tried one of these printers with ##IX or Linux so far? Thanks. Roger --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Keys with @AM in them...
Trying to remember what I used to do in Universe to get rid of these Try having a select list of these records active, then going into the editor, and see if it will let you edit each record, and do an FD. HTH Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Wolverton Sent: Monday, April 07, 2008 3:16 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Keys with @AM in them... How do I fix this? My program wrote items with @AM in the key. (oops) Now, I can 'select' the items, but I cannot get rid of them - they show as non-existent. Is there a way to remove/clean up these records, or will I have to clear the file and copy the good records back in? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UniData and Unicode
Yes, it's using the ODBC driver that came on the middleware disk with Unidata 7.1. Drew -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Houben Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 6:50 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData and Unicode What ODBC driver are you using? Is this Id Works using Unidata ODBC to retrieve data from Unidata? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Drew Henderson Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2008 3:28 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] UniData and Unicode All, Thanks for the information you've provided. We've received some additional comments from the Id Works vendor. They have indicated that the earlier versions of their software only required ODBC compliance (with various conformance levels: core, extended grammar, etc.), but that the current versions require ODBC Unicode compliance. If it is not - by default - ODBC Unicode compliant, can it be configured to be so? Thanks, Drew --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] UniData and Unicode
All, We're running Unidata version 7.1, and are trying to get a pc-based id card system (Idworks) to communicate via ODBC to our database; we are having limited success. The software vendor said they thought it was a Unicode compliance issue. I've found some marketing docs for U2 which indicates it is supported, but could find nothing in the Unidata docs which indicates if this compliance is the default, or if it is something to be enabled for either the database or the ODBC driver. Any provided information would be greatly appreciated. Drew msulogobw-smallDrew Henderson Director, Computer Center Operations 110 Ginger Hall Morehead State University 606/783-2445 [demime 1.01d removed an attachment of type image/gif which had a name of image001.gif] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] UniData and Unicode
All, Thanks for the information you've provided. We've received some additional comments from the Id Works vendor. They have indicated that the earlier versions of their software only required ODBC compliance (with various conformance levels: core, extended grammar, etc.), but that the current versions require ODBC Unicode compliance. If it is not - by default - ODBC Unicode compliant, can it be configured to be so? Thanks, Drew --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Telnet error 1067 in Universe PE
Try the info on this link: http://www.techsupportforum.com/networking-forum/networking-support/84069-udpsocket-wsa-error-10038-a.html HTH Drew Baker Hughes wrote: Hey y'all, A couple of us are trying to help a new UV site nearby get a copy of PE going for a development machine. This is the same issue that Charles B. first introduced some weeks back. I took a look at the IBM Thinkpad last night. Here is the skinny. OS is XPpro. He has un-installed and re-installed PE-UV 10.2 with same results: UniVerse will start when machine boots, but not telnet. When you attempt to start manually, you get Telnet error 1067. We looked in system.Ini to see if anything is actually bound to port 23 - nothing appears to be. He also ran TCPview to see if anything is listening on port 23 - nothing. We thought of changing the telnet port from 23 to something else, but when we try to start UniAdmin we get an RPC error. He checked the windows event log and it records the UV telnet service not starting with an error WSA Error 10038. These folks are extremely happy with UniVerse and the application that is helping grow their business. PE offers the best option for their getting more familiar with UV and speeding future development. Please help. The right answer will make you guest of honor at the next TEXMUG meeting Nov 1 (free meal!)[travel not included ;-) ] Sincere thanks, -Baker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] [OT]
Since I expect there are a number of us old Primos/Prime Information people out there, I thought you might like to check this out: http://www.gatago.org/comp/sys/prime It's a Primos emulator on a PS3 running Linux! Drew --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [OT] Primos Emulator
Don't know...wouldn't that be cool! Then we could run Word, Financial, and Graph Connection! hehe ;-) Drew Jerry Banker wrote: Hmmm, I wonder if they have tried running PI on it. -Original Message- From: Drew Henderson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2007 10:15 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] [OT] Since I expect there are a number of us old Primos/Prime Information people out there, I thought you might like to check this out: http://www.gatago.org/comp/sys/prime It's a Primos emulator on a PS3 running Linux! Drew --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [OT] Primos emulator
I've still got a 300MB disk pack I use for tours (here is where we were in 1981) that came from a 750. Drew Louie Bergsagel wrote: Nice. I kept my PR1MOS books for 27 years, and tossed them out in March. I was able to login and create a directory. What fun! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Telnet errors
jj, SCR is the Security Context Record used by the udtelnetd process. It should be listed in the udtelnetd.conf file in the unishared directory. Check out the docs on Configuring SSL for Telnet in the Administering UniData on UNIX manual. That can probably give you better guidance than can I! ;-) Drew jjuser ud2 wrote: Can somebody at least point me to the correct documentation for troubleshooting this error? It is given by the udtelnet service on RedHat Linux Enterprise 3. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
That was it! It's been a ln time! Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! It's been a long time since the info-prime days. Drew Charles Barouch wrote: All, Mike O' Rear was the original founder of this list. He handed it to Clif. After a mere nine years, Clif handed stewardship over to U2UG. - Chuck Jerry wrote: It was USC and the operator was Mike O' Rear. I hope I spelled that correctly. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
As much as I hate to admit it, but I found some email from info-prime from 1994, and it was hosted on eeyore at USC then. I found a reference on the web to the list being hosted by Al Costanzo at Kean in 1991. I also found a reference to a USC ARPA list from 1987. Drew Jerry wrote: I also have that feeling but I could be wrong after all that was shortly after Al Gore invented the internet. - Original Message - From: Drew Henderson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2007 12:13 PM Subject: Spam:Re: Spam:Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse I was thinking someone else hosted it awhile before Mikebut my memory may be having some multiple bit errors! It's been a long time since the info-prime days. Drew -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Users of UniVerse
One of the schools out there (can't recall for sure if it was UC-B) used to run Prime Information on Prime systems. One of the admins out there hosted the info-prime list (the predecessor to this group, IIRC.) Aptron sells the AIMS education management software (we've been running it since 1981: Prime Information/Primos - Universe/HP-UX - Universe/Linux; in the process of moving to Colleague) that runs under Universe. Drew Gabriel Green wrote: When I was a student sysadmin at UC Berkeley, the entire housing and dining system, door entry cards, student payment system, et cetera, ran on a refrigerator-sized McDonnel Douglass computer running some form of PICK (I am curious now, does anyone here want to tell me what those ran?) During my time there I was a UNIX/Windows sysadmin but that department converted from that machine to a NT4 box running UniVerse. AFAIK, they are still using UniVerse. Gabe --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] unix help
Terrie, Not exactly the right forum.but, assuming you're running AIX being a Datatel customer, sshd is likely being started from /etc/rc.d/rc2.d. As to the sendmail question, you probably want to hit the Datatel forums for that one. I'm not that familiar with the Colleague admin stuff. HTH Drew Wronkiewicz, Terrie wrote: I need to know how to turn ssh off. Also how do I check to see if Datatel's email option in Communications Management is using sendmail or mail? If sendmail how do I make it more secure or do I need to change it to mail and how do I change it? Thanks, Terrie --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe vs. Unidata
Chuck, Ask and ye shall receive! As my primary mission was to determine the disparity in dynamic array processing between Universe and UniData (hardware vs. software), I really didn't get into the testing for efficiency (although I may work on that, just out of curiosity and completeness). The final version of the test program came down to building - in memory - a 30,000 element, 1 million character dynamic array. The build, using -1, was comparably quick on both systems: less than 1 second on each; indicate both platforms handle the appending to a dynamic array equally well. The next step was to test the extraction of data from the array. Initial tests using a sequential extraction of every element - using x, not REMOVE - indicated that Universe did a MUCH better job of handling this; something on the order of a couple seconds for Universe, and 3 minutes for Unidata (note: the initial testing program mimiced a program written that brought this to the forefront, which actually did two extractions of each field.) I tried randomizing the retrieval of elements to reduce the advantage of internal tracking that Universe had, as well as trying to retrieve the data as 1 then elements/2 + 1. While both narrowed the gap, it was not dramatic enough to provide a convincing argument that the problem was software, rather than a hardware/configuration issue. My final testing of the extraction process made use of the following loop: 0015: UPPERLIMIT = DCOUNT(INSTRING,@FM) 0016: FOR M = 1 TO UPPERLIMIT 0017: PULLSTRING = INSTRING 0018: OUTSTRING-1 = PULLSTRINGM 0019: NEXT M This, I felt, would eliminate most of the benefits of whatever internal array position tracking that Universe was performing. With this test, the processing of the above loop took 54 seconds on the Universe platform, and 1 minute 40 seconds (100 seconds) on Unidata; much closer in performance! I think the remaining difference can be attributed to a combination of the database platform, as well as the differences in the hardware platform (Universe: dual-proc Intel running Linux; Unidata: 6-proc p570 under AIX; yes, the p570 has more processing horsepower in total, but, as neither database nor the testing program are parallelized, more processors don't affect the performance of this individual program, just the difference in individual power each processor type.) In summary: the original program which brought this up took a couple seconds to run under Universe, and 38 minutes under Unidata. The first test program, using sequential extraction of each element, took a couple seconds under Universe, and 3 minutes under Unidata (60 times slower). The final testing, using the aforementioned program loop, took 54 seconds on Universe, and 100 seconds on Unidata (just under two times slower.) I hope some have found this information helpful. If I get the chance, I'll try to do a more thorough testing of the various dynamic array extraction methods (EXTRACT vs REMOVE, primarily) on each platform to help identifiy good programming practices. Drew Stevenson, Charles wrote: Drew, I sure do hope you report back on what you find, your final resolution. It's been an interesting thread. Academic for us, painful for you. When you do the i vs n/2+i extraction test, you might want to compare it to a loop-remove method, too. On UV, sequential i extractions are about as fast as loop-remove when attribute marks are the only system delimiter used. Chuck Stevenson --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe vs. Unidata
LOLdon't think I wanna take that bet! Stevenson, Charles wrote: Thanks, Drew. My bet's riding on REMOVE. I hope some have found this information helpful. If I get the chance, I'll try to do a more thorough testing of the various dynamic array extraction methods (EXTRACT vs REMOVE, primarily) on each platform to help identifiy good programming practices. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe vs. Unidata
Mats Carlid wrote: Thanks for the comments, all. I think Mats and Martin's comments were kind of what I was expecting, based on what I could remember (been quite a while since I've paid attention to that kind of stuff!) Dan, thanks for the shared memory suggestion; we'll definately take a look at that. We've looked at it some, but not in the depth you suggest. Bruce: file size would have been a good place to begin (and being a LONG term FAST user, it tends to be one of my first things to check!), but the programmer's program used flat text files, and my test program built the arrays inline, so there was no file I/O. Rod: thanks for the suggestion, and we'll keep it in mind for software development. In this particular case, however, I was more interested in identifying the cause of the performance discrepancy. Mats, I like the random idea. In building the array, I just did the -1 thing a lot, and no performance issues. However, in accessing the data, I did sequential searches using x. I think I'll modify the program to do not do sequential; maybe something along the line of (if the number of elements is N) pulling the data from 1, then N/2 + 1, then 2, then N/2 +2, etc. This may give an indication of use of internal tracking of array position. I know this still wouldn't make them even, but it should reduce the disparity. Thanks again, all. Drew Hi Drew, it might be an uv vs ud issue, I can't speek for ud but uv optimizes the access to dynarrays by keeping track of the last field accessed and using that info at the next access when deemed to be more efficient than a linear scan. A test case might be to simply concatenate a short string to the end of an evergrowing dynarray say 50K times. The effect of the optimization when it was introduced (in uv7? ) was a factor over 1000. Try it on both setups and You'll know ... HTH -- mats --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] Universe vs. Unidata
Hello, all. We are in the process of moving to a new ERP solution which runs on Unidata. Our legacy system runs on Universe. In running some processes on each system, we are seeing some performance differences; in particular, running programs which make liberal - though not particularly efficient - use of dynamic arrays on our legacy (Universe on Linux) system run orders of magnitude faster than the same programs on a much larger system (Unidata on AIX). In the process of determining the origins of these problems, I want to rule out any Universe vs. Unidata issues. My question is this: does Universe handle the random searching of dynamic arrays (such as VAR1 = VAR2x) better than Unidata? Thanks, Drew -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] LOCKFIFO
Hello, all. We are in the process of bringing up several new applications, one of which is a Unidata application with both production and development servers. Unidata was installed and configured by the application vendor. We recently performed a compare of the UD config file between the two servers, looking for further differences after we ran across an issue with object size on the dev system, but not the production system (this has been fixed). The only parameter (now) set differently between the two machines is the LOCKFIFO parameter, which I can find very little about. Both are AIX systems (actually, LPARs on the same hardware). What does this parameter do, and what are the ramifications for the two values (it appears to be a boolean parameter.) My concern is that both the config file, and the documentation about the config file, indicates that these parameters are not to be changed. Any information and/or guidance would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Drew -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
[U2] unisecurity
Hello all. Anyone know of any decent documentation regarding the creation of the .unisecurity file and associated SCR records (setting up telnet SSL on a unidatat system.) Thanks, Drew -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Using Esc
We've had code in place for nearly 20 years to handle, at least a little bit, this type of problem. In fields with lots of text, we call a sub for the input that permits most of the editing commands found in line editors (e.g. c/x/a/, append, etc.) Not a great solution, but better than retyping all the text. Drew Mark Johnson wrote: Despite the progress made with conversions from green screen to GUI, my client base for example is virtually 100% green screen. I've been adding a few Accuterm GED programs but not to any huge extent. I believe that the providers should catch up with the times, especially Raining Data and IBM. They should recognize that the conversions from green screen to GUI do not happen overnight and it is truly an extremely large undertaking to consider re-writing legacy code for a gui interface. I'm not talking about re-developing the apps, just trying to make them a little more modern. One client would like their legacy Order Entry app re-written in a GUI interface. I'm truly afraid that my cost for this project will be prohibitive and that it may never happen. Thus adds another frustration. Nothing embarrasses me more than having to explain to a client's new employee that they have to re-type the whole answer if they spelled Apt 4B instead of Apt 4A on a long address line. That tiny piece of time starts off their relationship on a tremendous backwards note. Granted we know that the apps are sophisticated underneath. But the employee's shrugging shoulders speaks volumes. Perhaps what I'm hearing is that RD IBM will turn their back on this concept and, like many things, it's in my hands. So I'll re-deploy my GET.ANS() subroutine and try to tweak it for my different client's environments. Most users are not cut paste oriented. They just want to get to the end of 123 East South Street NW, Apt 4B and replace the B with an A. I don't blame them for condemming the application (and thus the database) with such a tired user interface. MS QuickBasic didn't provide any HomeEndDelInsert kind of INPUT statement. It actually provided too many INPUT formats so I had to write my own. Fortunately there were no terminal emulations or other 'environments', just DOS. Now, anyone programming with VB doesn't concern themselves one bit with these shortcomings. It's part of the environment. My 2 cents. Mark Johnson - Original Message - From: Brian Leach [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Sent: Tuesday, December 20, 2005 7:22 AM Subject: Re: [U2] Using Esc Mark, AFAIR UV does provide cursor driven input - see the Input @, KeyEdit and KeyTrap statements. It is however pretty horrible. You can't blame the vendors for this one though. The problem has been the mindset of a community that hasn't shared code (how many virtually identical menu runners or input subroutines have I seen over the years) even though the runtime binding model of external subroutines makes it so easy... I doubt the vendors would be interested in extending a 20 year old text interface when you can download the free VB 2005 Express, UO.Net and do it all properly ... Brian -Original Message- From: Mark Johnson[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 19/12/05 05:25:10 To: u2-usChis case MS got it right. Every input behaves very much like every other with the special keys. I believe that this should be accomplished by the providers themselves, ie Raining Data and IBM in their future releases. They already interpet the TERM setting and it would remove the differences. I took my GET.ANS and tried to fit it on Accuterm and couldn't get the proper backspace. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] OT: Unix Version of PR1MOS EDitor
Hey Denny, Do you need it because of familiarity with the Primos editor, or do you have software that makes use of it? Drew Denny Watkins wrote: We are running UniVerse release 9.6.2.5 under IBM AIX 4.3.3 on an IBM F50. Since there are still some us around who used PR1ME computers and PR1ME Information, I'll direct this question mainly to them. Does anyone know of any software for Unix which is compatible with the old PR1MOS Editor? I have a version of some software written by Greg Field who was with Computervision and then with Sun Computer in Australia. He wrote a program which was 99% compatible with the PR1ME EDitor. I've lost track of Greg and have been unable to contact him. If anyone knows Greg's whereabouts any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, Denny Watkins Director Computer Services Morningside College 1501 Morningside Ave Sioux City, Ia 51106-1717 Phone: 1-712-274-5250 Email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Universe running on Linux/SuSE
We've been running Universe on RH Linux for about a year and a half now, and it's been pretty stable for us. We ported it from an HP-UX system (10.20). Most of the changes revolved around scripts we had in place (ftp's, printer drivers, etc.) We ran .../uv/bin/format.conv on all the files. It's been pretty stable for us (at least as stable as the HP system), and we could purchase a new system every year for what we were paying for maint on the HP box. We are currently running on an IBM xSeries 346, dual-processor server. HTH Drew Jerry Banker wrote: We are about to make the move and I have been testing the system along side of our production system. I think this was a wise move. I have the two networked together so it is easier to move accounts. We are moving from Solaris 8 to RH AS 3, UV 9.6.2.3 to UV 10.1.12. Further comments are in the text. - Original Message - From: Rob Thometz [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Are there issues when converting Universe data files from Unix/Solaris OS to Linux? I've found that you can either copy the files over and use fnuxi or use uvbackup to create an image, copy that over then use uvrestore to restore the file on the linux box. Both take about the same amount of time. In either case the account will update when you first login to it. If you had LONGNAMES ON you will have to do that after the update. Make sure you check the TEMP file for any of your changed VOC entries. - Is there difficulty getting printers to function properly on Linux? We had to set up our laser printers on the Linux box to use raw data instead of the drivers because of pcl coding we have on many of our printouts. - Are changes required to any scripts and/or cron daemons running scripts on Linux? You may have to use the -f (force) flag on cp, rm, and mv if you have the commands in any programs, procs, or paragraphs otherwise it will ask if you want to write over existing files. - Has Linux proven to be more or less stable than Unix? Can't say that I know the answer to the rest because we haven't run full production yet. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] BP file ownership problem (linux)
Scott, Are all the people modifying the program a member of the uv group? When I change a source program, it sets my account as the owner, and the group to the group I'm a member of (which is the same group as all the programming staff.) Drew Scott Ballinger wrote: After editing a program in BP the owner and group of the file gets changed to user:user. This didn't use to be problem, as all programs in BP were set to 666, but now that we have implemented a minimal level of security, the BP programs are set to 664 with owner and group typically set to user:uv (the programming staff has membership in the uv group). What happens is that after user XXX edits a program, since the owner:group gets changed to XXX:XXX no one else can update that program until either XXX or someone as root chowns the file back to the uv group. This happens with all editors: ED, WED, etc. Is there a Universe setting or user setting that will prevent changing the owner and group setting on a file after editing it? (UV 10.1.4, RHEL 3). Thanks, Scott Ballinger Pareto Corporation Edmonds WA USA 206 713 6006 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Best practice for Sequential IDs using TRANSACTION START COMMIT/RO...
I would think the key phrase is non-information content. Sequential numbers that have meaning, such as check numbers, would not, in my mind, fall under this category. Sequential numbers used for assigning ids to people, however, would likely fall into this category. Of course, a lot of it depends on the organization's use of that number, as to whether it is informational or not. Drew Bill Haskett wrote: Clif: Since I've been in both the accounting and information systems fields for over 25 years, I can't say as I understand the term ...non-information content, sequentially assigned, record counter. I'm sure it doesn't mean what I think it does as I've found sequential counters to be an invaluable tool in a number of auditing scenarios. However, it's always possible I could use a good flogging. :-) Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Clifton Oliver Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2005 10:49 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Best practice for Sequential IDs using TRANSACTION START COMMIT/RO... I just can't keep quiet any more. Any auditor who depends on a non-information content, sequentially assigned, record counters as an audit trail ought to be flogged and sent back to Auditing For Dummies. If your auditor demands that, I'd suspect they are a paper-based bean counter, not an Information Systems Auditor. -- Regards, Clif bscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hidden spindle
Will, Try bdf under HP-UX. If it (or df) is not reporting it mounted, then it is likely not. A partition is mounted under a directory path (I assume, in this case, /U3). That directory exists even if a partition is not mounted on it, so you are likely writing to a directory on the root filesystem. HTH Drew Will wrote: We are using HP-UX and Universe 9.6 release. We have disks mounted on U1, U2, U3, U4. When we shell-out of Universe to Unix and give a df -P command we do not get a report on U3. However, we can create a file on U3. Does anyone know why the df command does not report the usage? Thanks, Will Williams --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] VOC Out-Of-Date Error Message
Bill, Is this occuring every time, or just once/account? You would normally see this after an upgrade of universe, or if an account (or the VOC file within it) had been restored from a backup that had an earlier release of universe on it. Drew Brutzman, Bill wrote: Using HP-Ux 11i with UniVerser 10.1, I get the following error message. How can this problem be fixed? --Bill Your VOC is out of date. Update to current release (Y/N)?y Your VOC is configured for Prime Information compatibility Updating your VOC file. (Each * = 10 records) 194 item(s) were removed from your VOC file and placed in file TEMP to prevent them from being overwritten. Updating your D_VOC file. (Each * = 10 records) * 11 item(s) were removed from your VOC file and placed in file DICT TEMP to prevent them from being overwritten. UniVerse Command Language 10.1 (c) Copyright IBM Corporation 2003. All rights reserved. METAL logged on: Wed May 4 12:48:18 2005 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Hidden spindle
Will, As a followup, you can also look at the /etc/mnttab file for a list of all the filesystems mounted. Drew Drew Henderson wrote: Will, Try bdf under HP-UX. If it (or df) is not reporting it mounted, then it is likely not. A partition is mounted under a directory path (I assume, in this case, /U3). That directory exists even if a partition is not mounted on it, so you are likely writing to a directory on the root filesystem. HTH Drew Will wrote: We are using HP-UX and Universe 9.6 release. We have disks mounted on U1, U2, U3, U4. When we shell-out of Universe to Unix and give a df -P command we do not get a report on U3. However, we can create a file on U3. Does anyone know why the df command does not report the usage? Thanks, Will Williams --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] UV on Linux
Jerry, We moved off an HP K460 to RH on an IBM x-series box just over a year ago. We average about 100 - 200+ users, depending on the time of year (pre-registration is a heavy time!), and have had minimal problems with it. Don't recall making any config changes. We're running a dual-proc (2.8GHz), with 2.5 GB memory. The main issue was rewriting our spooler scripts, because of the differences in the way it works (no hpnpf for hitting JetDirect-based printers, address the port directly.) HTH Drew Jerry Banker wrote: We are finally moving our UV off our Sun Solaris 8 System and moving to Redhat on a Dell system. Many of you have been on Linux for awhile so tell me, how was your conversion? Did you have to tweak any configuration parameters? Any pitfalls we should know about? We usually run around 100 user sessions. Jerry Banker --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Virtual fields calling Virtual fields
John, Never tried to see how far it would go. The real issue is inefficiencyeach virtual field requires an additional read from the dictionary in which it is located. Doing this for every item in a report, you can see where the overhead makes chaining virtual fields inefficient. Drew Aherne, John wrote: Hi All, Is it a bad thing when a virtual field references a virtual field in another file, which calles a sub-routine to retrieve values from yet another file? Does that even make sense? If not, how far could one take that before things do get bad? Thanks, John --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] [UV] LIST.LOCKS - Unable to get process lock semaphore
Or, more simply, ED VOC NOTHING Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marco wrote: In addition to my message below, when I enter the UV command LIST.LOCKD I get the following: LIST.LOCKS Unable to get process lock semaphore. Well would this mean something like I can't access the LOCK table because some other process currently has it LOCKed ? You could try writing a program that sets a lock and see if it also complains with the same message like this OPEN VOC TO F.VOC ELSE STOP READU IGNOREME FROM F.VOC,NOTHING THEN PRINT LOCK SET, RECORD FOUND END ELSE PRINT LOCK SET, NO SUCH RECORD Will --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] uv pe
To toss my two cents worth in (as if you haven't received enough comments, already! ;) By modern, do mean a brand new technology? Or something that is evolving? The U2 products have evolved tremondously over time (I started on Prime INFORMATION in 1985). If you mean a completely new database concept, then no, it isn't. But then, neither is SQL. It's origins go back to the early '70's. I've programmed in a variety of languages, and with a couple different databases. One thing I can say about the U2 databases, they are very, VERY good at database manipulation. But, it's going to take time to learn. I've seen good programmers who've never understood the Pick-database style. Didn't mean they were bad, it's just a different style of database. If you have no code to look at, and no one to show you examples of good programming/database development within the environment, you do have a steep curve. Ask questions, there are a lot of experienced people on this list, who will be happy to show you 50 ways to code a process efficiently. Drew Allen E. Elwood wrote: Hey John, I have programmed in COBOL, Fortran 4, TAC Business basic, Assembly on the IBM 370, Assembly on the 8086x, native Pick, MS QuickBasic, (did some goofing around with VB), SQL, HTML, Java and most extensively with Unidata. It is by far superior in dev time ONCE YOU KNOW what you're doing. (I have 31 years of programming behind my belt). Most of the Manage-2000 systems that are sold (written in Unidata) get sold to companies without programmers, and they grab a secretary and tell them they are promoted to SysAdmin. Seriously! As far as Modern? Moving data from one spot to another and doing calc's is the name of the game. Single line in RDBMS requiring a program in u2? Example please. I'm sure someone one the list will be able to point you in the correct direction so that you're learning curve will not be so frustrating. We're here to help and make your learning fun. Allen -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Aherne, John Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 11:31 To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] uv pe Ease of development? Very little support required? I have just started to use UD, and development is horrific, it take 10 times longer to do things that can be accomplished by a single line query in an RDBMS'. Our system requires constant attention, more attention than even MS Sql server on a bad week. But the thing that annoys me most is the poor support from IBM. I cannot get access to some of their tech docs because our UD license is held by our VAR (Don't ask). What kind of policy is that? For any other DBMS I can get access to vast amounts of information, and I don't even need to have seen the software, nevermind have a license. I looked forward to working with UD when I found out I would be developing on it, I have never used an mvdbms before, and the concept intrigued me. But so far, I do not see any benefit to using UD for anything what-so-ever, and nothing IBM or our VAR has provided has even hinted that UD, and UV are anything but an archaic relic of times gone by, like COBOL. Why else would a company make it so difficult for someone to learn about development on their software, if not because they didn't really have any interest in supporting it, and believe that you should have upgraded to more modern technology already? -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Printing different
Harold, Short answer: yes. Long answer: yes. You'll need the Laserjet PCL command manual, which you can find online (pdf format) here: http://h2.www2.hp.com/bc/docs/support/SupportManual/bpl13210/bpl13210.pdf And you'll need to print off a copy of the default fonts from the printer for the codes to select them. Hope this helps. Drew Oaks, Harold wrote: Does anyone know if there is an 'easy' way to create a print file, sent to a standard HP laser priner, and get the printer to print various fonts and sizes when desired. What I really would like is to have the output be normal size, then include very large letters when desired in, say, Arial font size 24, then revert back. Obviously Word etc. can send some string to the printer from which it understands to print the next characters in the desired font and size. Is there some string Esc-something-something-something... which I can embed in the file which will make this happen? I am running under pi/open. Thanks- Harold D. Oaks Sr. Analyst/Programmer Office of the Budget and Information Systems Clark County, Washington ph: (360) 397-6121 x4132 fax: (360) 397-2342 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] UV Pre-printed forms
Mark, There are software packages available to create overlays from documents. We've been doing this since the mid-90's (Steve Richmond and I did a presentation on this at the Universe Symposium in Denver in '94 or '95) with home-grown software originally. For the last five years or so, we've been using a product called Forms Electric (http://www.visual.co.uk/formselectric.asp). We copy the file this generates to our system, and cat the file to the printer. HTH Drew [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: quote who=Mark Johnson One of my clients would like to replace their pre-printed forms with those generated by the system. Basically the form has been re-created in MS Publisher and saved as a PRN file. I understand that there is some magic to send the form, keep the job open and then send the data for the form. This will most likely be HP PCL per my insistence but there maybe some Canon network printers brought into the mix. There are others on the list who will help with the overlaying of data on a form, I hope... We use one Canon networked printer, the IR330, and it supports PCL better than our HP Deskjet printers, so you shouldn't have much trouble getting them to obey your PCL commands. Just a comment to make more noise on the list. -- -- Drew Henderson 110 Ginger Hall Dir. for Computer Center OperationsMorehead State University [EMAIL PROTECTED] Morehead, kY 40351 (606) 783-2445 -- --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] UV licencing - Machine hangs
Dennis, You may want to take a look at the max number of processes for the unix kernal. If this is configured low to handle your normal level of users, this may have maxed out, preventing shell commands from responding in anything remotely close to a timely manner. Drew Dennis Bartlett wrote: We have a problem... UniVerse 10.1.2 AIX 5.2 IBM p615 184 user licence Today we had 174 users working. There was a power dip at one of our remote sites (WAN), and the users there attempted to log in again. Naturally the user licences were fully used up (the pre-dip users were still logged in). This resulted in the machine no longer responding to any shell level commands. Is there any way one can set UniVerse to prevent user licence issues hanging the machine? Is there any way to get the machine to monitor when licences are approaching the maximum, and it warning someone? -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Printer Question
One way would be to do it in a driver script; cat the output to a temp file, then cat that temp file to each printer (assuming you are on a unix-variant). Drew Walker, Dave (Ivy Hill) wrote: Is there a way to assign TWO printers to a single print job. I.E., we want a report to print both on the shipping floor and in the shipping manager's office. The only thing I could come up with was to run the report once for each printer. Any way to generate it once and send it to both printers at the same time? TIA -- Dave Walker ,... ???)) -:|:- -:|:-,..? ..???)) ((,,..? ...? -:|:- ((,,..? * Peace --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- -- Drew Henderson There are two types of people - Dir. for Computer Center Operations those who do the work and those [EMAIL PROTECTED] who take the credit. Try to be in the first group, there is 110 Ginger Hall less competition. Morehead State University Indira Ghandi Morehead, KY 40351 Phone: 606/783-2445 Fax: 606/783-5078 -- --- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
