Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and support fees, and when that runs out they let it pass away.. The U2 products will survive OK, but all we're most likely going to get in future are maybe some patches but no new development. Nobody buys a business to kill it? Do hedgefonds managers know that too? George Land wrote: 'It's being so cheerful that keeps me going' Maybe the world is going to end, but this is an initiative that is fully supported by Susie and her team, maybe even initiated by them. You don't buy a business to kill it. There are no assets to strip, all that matters is getting revenue from new licenses and maintenance. Rocket have a track record of preserving and developing the companies they buy, as Dawn said 'It doesn't look like a place that products go to die, but a place they go to survive' If you want to be a pessimist that is your prerogative, but there is nothing here to say the future is worse than it was at the start of the week George On 16/09/2009 21:41, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
My understanding of the logic of this is that the U2 people are so excited about it because it will allow them to invest in product development in a meaningful way. To describe Rocket as a rest home for no longer wanted technology is very harsh, what they are is an OEM specialist. A big part of the problem of IBM and U2 was that U2 is OEM, people acquire it because it is embedded in an application they have bought. IBM don't really do OEM and an issue has been a lack of understanding of how the OEM sales model works. U2 has remained largely outside the IBM structure everywhere except here in the UK. Here there are IBM employees reporting into the mainstream IBM structure who work on U2. As the UK Distributor we work with mainstream IBM people in a U2 context and it is hard, few of the structures, processes and mechanisms match what we do. Meanwhile there is development happening because it is right for IBM, so we got EDA allowing us to store data in DB2. Great but useless, we know and the U2 developers know that SQL Server is where it needs to be but they had to do DB2. Then you get things like UniData 7.2, a release that would probably have been UniData 8 but wasn't because to go to a new release number takes so much hassle in IBM that it would have taken beyond forever to get out. Alongside this you have education which has to go through the IBM education people meaning hardly any training happens because it is too expensive. Organising an event is really hard because people from several countries need to get involved, U2U in the UK last year was a nightmare for that reason. So personally I can understand precisely why Susie and her team wanted this and why they feel that Rocket is the right owner. Rocket do OEM, they provide software that goes into DB2, Tivoli and Rational amongst others. They sell through ISVs, they are used to their products being rebranded and bundled into others, that's largely why none of us have heard of them. Branding is the big issue going forwards, we've lost the IBM brand and that is a big loss. But from a product development and technical perspective the software is going into an environment that is much more suited to it. That is the major positive out of all this, the RD that is now likely to happen directed at what customers need and not what IBM want. As for buying a business to kill, what does happen is people buy them to run them as cash cows but there is no indication that will happen here. Rocket are active developers of their products and there is every sign that they intend to actively develop U2. George On 17/09/2009 08:25, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and support fees, and when that runs out they let it pass away.. The U2 products will survive OK, but all we're most likely going to get in future are maybe some patches but no new development. Nobody buys a business to kill it? Do hedgefonds managers know that too? George Land wrote: 'It's being so cheerful that keeps me going' Maybe the world is going to end, but this is an initiative that is fully supported by Susie and her team, maybe even initiated by them. You don't buy a business to kill it. There are no assets to strip, all that matters is getting revenue from new licenses and maintenance. Rocket have a track record of preserving and developing the companies they buy, as Dawn said 'It doesn't look like a place that products go to die, but a place they go to survive' If you want to be a pessimist that is your prerogative, but there is nothing here to say the future is worse than it was at the start of the week George On 16/09/2009 21:41, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
George I'm totally with you on this. The products have been through several hands, and this is the first time since the days of VMARK and UniData they haven't been merged/sold to database vendors with competing products. That has to be a good thing. The deal is done and we don't have any choice but to make the very most of it. Let's not talk this down before we have given these guys every opportunity. Now we can panic, or we can take this as a positive and introduce Rocket to a community that wants the products to succeed, is prepared to support them and pay for them, and turn them into the platforms we need for our businesses to prosperin future. If they are sensible, they will listen and we can get positive momentum from this move. We've all been through this before with the previous owners, and we and the products have survived. The engineers have done good things with the product, within the strictures imposed by IBM. Now, just maybe, there is a chance to employ some imagination. Brian -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: 17 September 2009 09:45 To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie My understanding of the logic of this is that the U2 people are so excited about it because it will allow them to invest in product development in a meaningful way. To describe Rocket as a rest home for no longer wanted technology is very harsh, what they are is an OEM specialist. A big part of the problem of IBM and U2 was that U2 is OEM, people acquire it because it is embedded in an application they have bought. IBM don't really do OEM and an issue has been a lack of understanding of how the OEM sales model works. U2 has remained largely outside the IBM structure everywhere except here in the UK. Here there are IBM employees reporting into the mainstream IBM structure who work on U2. As the UK Distributor we work with mainstream IBM people in a U2 context and it is hard, few of the structures, processes and mechanisms match what we do. Meanwhile there is development happening because it is right for IBM, so we got EDA allowing us to store data in DB2. Great but useless, we know and the U2 developers know that SQL Server is where it needs to be but they had to do DB2. Then you get things like UniData 7.2, a release that would probably have been UniData 8 but wasn't because to go to a new release number takes so much hassle in IBM that it would have taken beyond forever to get out. Alongside this you have education which has to go through the IBM education people meaning hardly any training happens because it is too expensive. Organising an event is really hard because people from several countries need to get involved, U2U in the UK last year was a nightmare for that reason. So personally I can understand precisely why Susie and her team wanted this and why they feel that Rocket is the right owner. Rocket do OEM, they provide software that goes into DB2, Tivoli and Rational amongst others. They sell through ISVs, they are used to their products being rebranded and bundled into others, that's largely why none of us have heard of them. Branding is the big issue going forwards, we've lost the IBM brand and that is a big loss. But from a product development and technical perspective the software is going into an environment that is much more suited to it. That is the major positive out of all this, the RD that is now likely to happen directed at what customers need and not what IBM want. As for buying a business to kill, what does happen is people buy them to run them as cash cows but there is no indication that will happen here. Rocket are active developers of their products and there is every sign that they intend to actively develop U2. George ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
One point to consider... IBM owns tons of databases but they only publicly talk about 1: DB2. Rocket doesn't own any databases. If they want to be in that market, U2 is 100% of their stake. Nothing is certain, but that is encouraging. - Chuck Mecki Foerthmann wrote: George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and support fees, and when that runs out they let it pass away.. The U2 products will survive OK, but all we're most likely going to get in future are maybe some patches but no new development. Nobody buys a business to kill it? Do hedgefonds managers know that too? ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I think time will tell whether they will grow the business or do what was done with Primos when Peritus just provided support for Prime Computer customers for several years with old Prime Computer personnel. Out of curiosity, What is the annual revenue stream for U2? Is it more than $100 million? On Sep 17, 2009, at 3:25 AM, Mecki Foerthmann wrote: George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and support fees, and when that runs out they let it pass away.. The U2 products will survive OK, but all we're most likely going to get in future are maybe some patches but no new development. Nobody buys a business to kill it? Do hedgefonds managers know that too? George Land wrote: 'It's being so cheerful that keeps me going' Maybe the world is going to end, but this is an initiative that is fully supported by Susie and her team, maybe even initiated by them. You don't buy a business to kill it. There are no assets to strip, all that matters is getting revenue from new licenses and maintenance. Rocket have a track record of preserving and developing the companies they buy, as Dawn said 'It doesn't look like a place that products go to die, but a place they go to survive' If you want to be a pessimist that is your prerogative, but there is nothing here to say the future is worse than it was at the start of the week George On 16/09/2009 21:41, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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My constant struggle is trying to get end-users here to tell me what they want - they always want to tell me what we have - which of course I already know. Now that the picture has changed, U2UG has an opportunity to consider what we want. I seem to remember some DE tech manual pages having to do with integration with WebSphere. Now, other technologies like say Spring, could have a new role. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mecki Foerthmann Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 3:25 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie George, I think Dawn's emphasis was on survive, and that doesn't necessarily mean thrive. To my ears the Rocket business plan for legacy products sounds more like running a rest home for no longer wanted technology They keep it alive as long as there is a profit to be made from licence and support fees, and when that runs out they let it pass away.. The U2 products will survive OK, but all we're most likely going to get in future are maybe some patches but no new development. Nobody buys a business to kill it? Do hedgefonds managers know that too? George Land wrote: 'It's being so cheerful that keeps me going' Maybe the world is going to end, but this is an initiative that is fully supported by Susie and her team, maybe even initiated by them. You don't buy a business to kill it. There are no assets to strip, all that matters is getting revenue from new licenses and maintenance. Rocket have a track record of preserving and developing the companies they buy, as Dawn said 'It doesn't look like a place that products go to die, but a place they go to survive' If you want to be a pessimist that is your prerogative, but there is nothing here to say the future is worse than it was at the start of the week George On 16/09/2009 21:41, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
I have to agree the crack in the door that the IBM brand offered just closed with a THUD! Sure, the new owners may well drive better integration and take the U2 products to new heights . but this will come at the price of the street cred that the IBM name offered. May now be worth the trip in November to listen to Susie speak at the Raining Data event!! :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Randall Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:56 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Hard to view this as a positive no matter what spin is put on it. Smacks of being a part of Mercedes and then belonging to Joe's garage... Marketing of U2 (if there is such a thing) just took a serious blow to the gut. Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
I still do not see a news announcement on yahoo IBM stock section. If the revenue stream was high enough, I do not think IBM would have sold the business. Hope the technology grows with the new company as it would be sad to see it in maintenance mode only... Hard to believe it will soon be 30 years since I first worked on Microdata and Prime INFORMATION where does the time go? Ross Ferris wrote: I have to agree the crack in the door that the IBM brand offered just closed with a THUD! Sure, the new owners may well drive better integration and take the U2 products to new heights . but this will come at the price of the street cred that the IBM name offered. May now be worth the trip in November to listen to Susie speak at the Raining Data event!! :-) Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Mike Randall Sent: Wednesday, 16 September 2009 7:56 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Hard to view this as a positive no matter what spin is put on it. Smacks of being a part of Mercedes and then belonging to Joe's garage... Marketing of U2 (if there is such a thing) just took a serious blow to the gut. Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Charles, Agreed and already asked for... I expect to have something from their President. As soon as we see it, U2UG.org will feature it. - Chuck Charles Stevenson wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
GOOD NEWS, my ass. I view this as near catastrophic. Rocket Software, what a bullshit name. Just like Raining Data. With the IBM name came some serious recognition and the instant belief that this is a credible and serious product. With Rocket software, I feel like I am selling $19.95 Billy-Mays-Here specials. Martin Scholl 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
GOOD NEWS, my ass. I view this as near catastrophic. Rocket Software, what a bullshit name. Just like Raining Data. With the IBM name came some serious recognition and the instant belief that this is a credible and serious product. With Rocket software, I feel like I am selling $19.95 Billy-Mays-Here specials. Martin Scholl 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
well, Microsoft/Windows made out pretty good when IBM dropped PCDOS (ok...maybe not the best example) I wonder if the cost will drop, now that It's not using the IBM name, which helped as already stated, justify the costs? George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Martin Scholl Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 4:22 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie GOOD NEWS, my ass. I view this as near catastrophic. Rocket Software, what a bullshit name. Just like Raining Data. With the IBM name came some serious recognition and the instant belief that this is a credible and serious product. With Rocket software, I feel like I am selling $19.95 Billy-Mays-Here specials. Martin Scholl 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
Yes the name isn't great, but then saying IBM didn't do great things in my market either. IBM did nothing much for the product and definitely put a lot of overhead in the process. If you have worked with IBM in trying to plan an event you'd appreciate the amount of junk there is in that organisation. Hopefully Rocket is a smaller, more responsive organisation. We've lost the name but maybe we've gained some product and technical focus and maybe we've got an organisation that will promote the product and understand it. George Land BSc(Hons) MBCS Chairman Business Development Director APT Solutions Ltd Email: george.l...@aptsolutions.co.uk APT Solutions Ltd, Incorporated and registered in England and Wales. Registered office: Stratum House, Stafford Park 10, Telford, Shropshire TF3 3AB. Registered number 2228445. On 16/09/2009 21:22, Martin Scholl msch...@martinscholl.com wrote: GOOD NEWS, my ass. I view this as near catastrophic. Rocket Software, what a bullshit name. Just like Raining Data. With the IBM name came some serious recognition and the instant belief that this is a credible and serious product. With Rocket software, I feel like I am selling $19.95 Billy-Mays-Here specials. Martin Scholl 18910 New Hampshire Ave Brinklow, MD 20862 Phone: 301-924-5537 Cell: 301-613-9572 msch...@martinscholl.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Land Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:21 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.100/2375 - Release Date: 09/16/09 05:51:00 ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
'It's being so cheerful that keeps me going' Maybe the world is going to end, but this is an initiative that is fully supported by Susie and her team, maybe even initiated by them. You don't buy a business to kill it. There are no assets to strip, all that matters is getting revenue from new licenses and maintenance. Rocket have a track record of preserving and developing the companies they buy, as Dawn said 'It doesn't look like a place that products go to die, but a place they go to survive' If you want to be a pessimist that is your prerogative, but there is nothing here to say the future is worse than it was at the start of the week George On 16/09/2009 21:41, Mecki Foerthmann mec...@gmx.net wrote: I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
Fortunately, I've become a unix admin over the past couple of years, specializing in tuning with or without a U2 database. I also increased my gold holdings last year, so I'm feeling pretty prescient at the moment. Having worked with most of the indexed spreadsheets (Oracle, Sysbase, DB2, MySQL), I'm still astonished that U2 never took off. Of course, I'm also astonished that the best selling beers are swill, people still vote for Democrats and Republicans, Windows is the dominant OS, and Peter O'toole never won an Oscar(TM). On the other hand, I started developing a data center inventory app in UV PE 3 weeks ago, so maybe I'm not so prescient as I'd like. I mean, you need 4 dimensions to do it. Physical location on the floor, where it is in the rack, what it is, what it's running, when maintenance/upgrades are due, contracts expiration dates, power consumption, BTU's, who owns it, etc. Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 21:41:34 +0100 From: mec...@gmx.net To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie I hope you are right. But what if they are not even interested in selling new seats and are quite happy to collect licence and support fees without doing any new development? After all this is corporate America and acquisitions are not necessarily made to drive a product forward. IBM can show some positive figures for the next quarter, share prices might go up and managers can expect nice bonuses and sell some stock options. And for Rocket it may just be another legacy system they acquire and keep supported as it is their business plan. Since Universe and Unidata are so stable, they should be able to do that with very little staff. And a little asset-stripping may more than recover the purchase costs. So everybody wins as far as the investors are concerned. Who cares about the members of the U2 team, VARs and their staff or us MV-professionals who work for U2 end users? I prefer to be a pessimist - at least that way you never get disappointed; and if you happen to be wrong it is always to the better ;-). George Land wrote: Personally I view it as a very good sign that they are taking a back seat and letting the U2 people get their message out to their customers. Sure a message from the new owners is needed soon but not doing it up front is a sign that they are interested letting the team get on with the business without getting too much in the way George On 16/09/2009 19:33, Charles Stevenson stevenson.c...@gmail.com wrote: Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222985/direct/01/ ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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I'm guessing they are doing a rocket countdown (before sound off) . I wonder where they are at 7 maybe dougc -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Charles Stevenson Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:34 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Chuck, Impress upon Rocket the need for THEM to make a public statement. It's nice to hear news from you from Susie, and I look forward to reading whatever you post, but, come on, Rocket! the new owners need to say something. Chuck All, I've been speaking to an executive at Rocket and more calls are being scheduled. What I've heard so far is vague (legal reasons) but very upbeat. The next call should contain some genuine news. As I get it, you will get it and it will be posted on U2UG.org. - Charles Staying On The Hunt for Details Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
[U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
Looking at their website, from the number of offices that Rocket has, it looks like they grant some autonomy to the Product/Groups they purchase. This could bode well for Susie and her group if they are given more latitude to do what they need to 'to build a better rocket'. -Baker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This communication, its contents and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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You mean pocket rockets (poker reference to two Aces - UniData and Universe). :) -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Baker Hughes Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 2:11 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Looking at their website, from the number of offices that Rocket has, it looks like they grant some autonomy to the Product/Groups they purchase. This could bode well for Susie and her group if they are given more latitude to do what they need to 'to build a better rocket'. -Baker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This communication, its contents and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie
Hi Having had a chat with a U2 IBMer, I am very excited at the possibilities for growth, of both the products and the market, under this new structure/ownership. IBM never gave U2 the recognition it warranted and the policies made it difficult for the U2 team and customers to forge forward in the way they wanted. I feel we need to give this the backing it deserves as it still has the same team driving it, just with more freedom and scope to grow. Thanks, my 2 cents worth. Kurt Neumann; IBM Certified Solutions Expert IBM U2 Business Unit Manager @ Workgroup From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Baker Hughes [baker.hug...@mouser.com] Sent: 15 September 2009 11:11 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie Looking at their website, from the number of offices that Rocket has, it looks like they grant some autonomy to the Product/Groups they purchase. This could bode well for Susie and her group if they are given more latitude to do what they need to 'to build a better rocket'. -Baker -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 3:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users This communication, its contents and any file attachments transmitted with it are intended solely for the addressee(s) and may contain confidential proprietary information. Access by any other party without the express written permission of the sender is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this communication in error you may not copy, distribute or use the contents, attachments or information in any way. Please destroy it and contact the sender. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users Pinnacle Technology Holdings E-Mail Disclaimer: This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Pinnacle Technology Holdings any of it's divisions or affiliates. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of it is strictly prohibited. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
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Hard to view this as a positive no matter what spin is put on it. Smacks of being a part of Mercedes and then belonging to Joe's garage... Marketing of U2 (if there is such a thing) just took a serious blow to the gut. Mike -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Results Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2009 4:59 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] GOOD NEWS From Susie All, I just got off the phone with Susie Seigesmund. She has assured me that her entire team has been invited to stay together, Rocket didn't just buy the software or the customer list or the channel, they are buying into the people who supported us all along. More news as I have it. Also, watch U2UG.org, as we will be updating teh front page several times in the next few days. - Charles Barouch ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
