Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-20 Thread Dave Bryant
Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message 25013-46...@sneakemail.com, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes I'm not sure why you're emphasizing OLD. The MV implementation in Caché supports many versions of Pick plus the Prime

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-20 Thread Ross Ferris
To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message 25013-46...@sneakemail.com, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes I'm not sure why you're emphasizing OLD. The MV implementation in Caché supports many versions of Pick

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Frank Eperjesi
...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:03 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general From: Doug Chanco Maybe they will hire apple's marketing dept. and in a release

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread David Jordan
Cache has evolved from the old Mumps environment. This was a multidimensional flavor similar to PICK. Intersystems bought out all the flavours of mumps to form the company today. Mumps background was largely in health, so they are a major player in that industry. However they have a range

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Robert Porter
Just to add a bit as I have done some development in Cache'... Cache' is the from MUMPS lineage... MUMPS to OpenM to Cache'... and does have pretty decent MV support. It has a steep learning curve (but has decent free e-learning and a free downloadable version), but has support for just about

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
The one statement below that isn't the way I would say it at all is As cache was already multivalue, they added the PICK flavor to their flavors just like flavors on UniVerse. Their native data model is broader than MV, so they (Jim Idle of jBASE and many others) wrote MV to sit on top of the

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Lance J. Andersen
Dawn Wolthuis wrote: The one statement below that isn't the way I would say it at all is What I like about Cache is that is provides competition in the Multivalue market. If Oracle had the same level of competitive providers as the mv world has, they would not have got away with their

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Lance J. Andersen
I should point out, that the comment I was referring to was not from Dawn, I just did a bad cut trying to streamline the message. Sorry Dawn. Lance J. Andersen wrote: Dawn Wolthuis wrote: The one statement below that isn't the way I would say it at all is What I like about Cache is

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Symeon Breen
...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: 17 September 2009 22:50 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch technology and combined supporting

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Marc Harbeson
Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: 17 September 2009 22:50 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Larry Hiscock
-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: 17 September 2009 22:50 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch technology and combined supporting

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 8b8d8a92acaa5b45986c590ff22600ce023ea...@bai-sbs.baisbs.local, Frank Eperjesi frank_eperj...@baipro.com writes Not to knock Rocket (Especially now that I guess I am be a dealer of there). Also I have no history with them A lot of what all you say as to U2 not evolving enough is

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 8b8d8a92acaa5b45986c590ff22600ce023ea...@bai-sbs.baisbs.local, Frank Eperjesi frank_eperj...@baipro.com writes Not sure what the purpose of your email was, but please stick to facts I don't mean to be rude, but it would help if you did a little investigation about your facts

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Anthony W. Youngman
In message 25013-46...@sneakemail.com, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes I'm not sure why you're emphasizing OLD. The MV implementation in Caché supports many versions of Pick plus the Prime nuances of U2. :-) I believe one would find the level of thoroughness corresponds to the

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Glen Batchelor
! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: 17 September 2009 22:50 To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-18 Thread Lance J. Andersen
Anthony W. Youngman wrote: In message 25013-46...@sneakemail.com, Tony Gravagno 3xk547...@sneakemail.com writes I'm not sure why you're emphasizing OLD. The MV implementation in Caché supports many versions of Pick plus the Prime nuances of U2. :-) I believe one would find the level of

[U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Frank Eperjesi
Not to knock Rocket (Especially now that I guess I am be a dealer of there). Also I have no history with them A lot of what all you say as to U2 not evolving enough is true, but part of the reason for that and problems in the D3, U2 or mult-value world in general is that almost all the current

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Doug Chanco
...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Frank Eperjesi Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 4:53 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general Not to knock Rocket (Especially now that I guess I am be a dealer of there). Also I have no history with them A lot of what all you

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
-Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Doug Chanco Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:14 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
I can access MV data from my iPhone today. Sure, it's through the browser, but it's access nonetheless. -Kevin http://www.PrecisOnline.com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread doug chanco
] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 5:50 PM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general The iPhone was a progression of proprietary touch technology and combined supporting technologies and software (stemming from the original

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Kevin King
Why can't we just stick with we make your problems go away? Technology is a commodity. People want solutions. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:29 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general I can access MV data from my iPhone today. Sure, it's through

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Glen Batchelor
-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Kevin King Sent: Thursday, September 17, 2009 6:49 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general Why can't we just stick with we make your problems go away? Technology is a commodity. People want

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Tony Gravagno
From: Doug Chanco Maybe they will hire apple's marketing dept. and in a release or two down the line we'll have customers standing in line to buy U2? They did it with iPhone so I'm sure they can do it with U2 Actually a key difference here is the mindset of the people offering the

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread Dawn Wolthuis
What do you mean just? For building a new app, they got to the top of my list a couple of years ago. Now that they (Cache') have a number of conversions from various mv platforms under their belts, this change in U2 ownership might prompt a few more folks to think about migrating, but for the most

Re: [U2] Problem with Multi-value market in general

2009-09-17 Thread David Jordan
Glen A U2 application just threw SAP out of a site it can and is being done. I believe there is a case study available of it on the IBM U2 site. The CEO stated that SAP did not deliver for the cost and this U2 application did. I would challenge the consultants who recommended SAP to advice