RE: Brower based terminal emulator
Well, if MS can't do it ... Don't forget - it was ME that wrote the pt250 emulation that ships with wIntegrate. And though I say it myself, it's good ... :-) (VMark screwed it up a bit with improvements :-) And I moved all our wIntegrate over to pt250 because I couldn't get vt100 to work ... Yup. I'm well aware vt100 emulation is a nightmare. However, I think you will find that some of the more obscure features are not implemented in genuine DEC vt100 terminals ... what do you think THAT does to any attempt to get good definitive emulation :-) Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07 March 2004 03:55 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Brower based terminal emulator In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:58:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go. And you're confident that any old xterm, konsole, or whatever will ACCURATELY emulate every feature of vt100 ? I think you will find that some of the more obscure features are not really implemented that well in most emulators. At least I did. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Brower based terminal emulator
More work one time vs more work everytime the system is used?? I meant this as a response to someones suggestion that they use wine to run a windows based terminal emulator on linux. To me, that makes no sense at all. Yes, the terminfo sources are a pain to setup right, but running wine for a terminal emulator will just make the system run slower and will make you look like a fool if another more savy consultant happens to wonder by. One of the benefits of using a system like UniVerse or UniData is that it allows for all sorts of different clients to use it. But, you do have to put in some effort, especially if your dealing with an older Pick app that was written with embedded terminal and printer codes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/07/04 09:19PM In a message dated 3/7/2004 7:59:40 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Edit the terminal sources on the Linux box then and make them do whatever it is you need them to do. Far more efficient than cranking up a windows based emulated emulator That's a little more work for some people, then just finding an emulator that does it right in the first place. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
Edit the terminal sources on the Linux box then and make them do whatever it is you need them to do. Far more efficient than cranking up a windows based emulated emulator -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 06, 2004 10:55 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Brower based terminal emulator In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:58:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go. And you're confident that any old xterm, konsole, or whatever will ACCURATELY emulate every feature of vt100 ? I think you will find that some of the more obscure features are not really implemented that well in most emulators. At least I did. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: Brower based terminal emulator
In a message dated 3/5/2004 5:58:24 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go. And you're confident that any old xterm, konsole, or whatever will ACCURATELY emulate every feature of vt100 ? I think you will find that some of the more obscure features are not really implemented that well in most emulators. At least I did. Will -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
snip I can't find the info just now, but I have seen a java implementation of a terminal emulator that runs in a browser. It should pop up in Google rather readily. /snip I think BlueZone from http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html would fit the bill for PCs. I'm not sure if they can support Linux or real *nix though. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
Not this old chestnut again !!! Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go. End of story. *ANY* linux command shell will almost certainly emulate a vt100 as its default setting. And if you have multiple emulators with multiple emulations, it's not that difficult to write a program that goes into LOGIN, fires off the answerback sequence to the terminal, and sets up the correct terminal type. Here we had a mix of wyse85s, pt200s and pt250s, and wIntegrate (we're now down to wIntegrate running pt250 emulation and the odd wyse in vt100 mode). Barring screw-ups the user never enters terminal type because it's all sorted out automatically. Cheers, Wol -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vance Dailey Sent: 04 March 2004 20:43 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Brower based terminal emulator We are considering running Linux on our user desktops and I am looking for a recommendation for a terminal emulation solution. One possibility is to find a terminal emulation program which runs locally on each desktop under Linux. A second possibility is to setup a server and use a web browser (such as Mozilla or FireFox) on the user desktops to access the applications. Ideally the solution will work on both Windows and Linux desktops given that some desktops will likely have to remain Windows based. We run Universe 9.6 and currently use a mix of Dynamic Connect and Wintegrate 4. Our current emulation is Wyse 60. I look forward to hearing about any good or bad experiences anyone has had. Thanks, Vance -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users *** This transmission is intended for the named recipient only. It may contain private and confidential information. If this has come to you in error you must not act on anything disclosed in it, nor must you copy it, modify it, disseminate it in any way, or show it to anyone. Please e-mail the sender to inform us of the transmission error or telephone ECA International immediately and delete the e-mail from your information system. Telephone numbers for ECA International offices are: Sydney +61 (0)2 9911 7799, Hong Kong + 852 2121 2388, London +44 (0)20 7351 5000 and New York +1 212 582 2333. *** -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
I looks like a great product, but since its a windows application it will not meet our needs. Thanks for the tip. Vance -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Hennessey, Mark F. Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:43 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Brower based terminal emulator snip I can't find the info just now, but I have seen a java implementation of a terminal emulator that runs in a browser. It should pop up in Google rather readily. /snip I think BlueZone from http://www.seagullsoftware.com/products/bluezone_terminal.html would fit the bill for PCs. I'm not sure if they can support Linux or real *nix though. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
The price is right. I'll have to do some testing to see if changing from wyse 60 is going to be a headache. Thanks for the suggestion. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Cameron Booth Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:25 PM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Brower based terminal emulator snip Ideally the solution will work on both Windows and Linux desktops given that some desktops will likely have to remain Windows based /snip Have a look at http://javatelnet.org/ can be run as an applet or an application Cheers, Cam Booth Disclaimer Notice This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action or place any reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Ultradata immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ultradata Australia Pty. Ltd. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
I had not considered such a minimal solution. I will have to see if our application can run under a VT emulation. What are the limitations of running Universe applications without a separate terminal emulator? Thanks, Vance -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Anthony Youngman Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 8:57 AM To: U2 Users Discussion List Subject: RE: Brower based terminal emulator Not this old chestnut again !!! Fire up an xterm, or konsole, or whatever you fancy, on the client desktop. Telnet into the uv server, SET.TERM.TYPE VT100, and off you go. End of story. *ANY* linux command shell will almost certainly emulate a vt100 as its default setting. And if you have multiple emulators with multiple emulations, it's not that difficult to write a program that goes into LOGIN, fires off the answerback sequence to the terminal, and sets up the correct terminal type. Here we had a mix of wyse85s, pt200s and pt250s, and wIntegrate (we're now down to wIntegrate running pt250 emulation and the odd wyse in vt100 mode). Barring screw-ups the user never enters terminal type because it's all sorted out automatically. Cheers, Wol -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
On Fri, 2004-03-05 at 13:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had not considered such a minimal solution. I will have to see if our application can run under a VT emulation. What are the limitations of running Universe applications without a separate terminal emulator? Thanks, xterm *is* a terminal emulator. it emulates a vt100 terminal (plus a little extra). i spend most of my day in multi-gnome-term with many sessions open to a unidata host. it works fine. if you're doing crazy things with fonts, line-drawing chars or colours it may not work so well for you. a cd-based distribution like http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/ seems like a natural way to test things out. ian -- Ian McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
I downloaded and use a java-based telnet client that will also do SSH. It can be found at: http://mud.de/se/jta/, but in searching for this on Google by entering Java Telnet Application I also found this: http://sourceforge.net/projects/jta/ which looks like the sourceforge entry for the one above and http://javassh.org/ I don't know what this one is. JTA has been pretty nice for our applciation, which is a text-based 'green screen' application. Let me know if you need help with it. Karl On Thu, 2004-03-04 at 14:19, Jefferson, Jim wrote: Vance: I can't find the info just now, but I have seen a java implementation of a terminal emulator that runs in a browser. It should pop up in Google rather readily. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vance Dailey Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:18 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject: RE: Brower based terminal emulator File: ATT707352.txt I have just started the search and I figured that this group was the best place to start. I am hoping to find a pioneer without too many arrows in their back that could steer me to a workable solution. Another option I have considered is to find a Windows solution that runs under Wine. Thanks for the reply. Vance -- Karl L. Pearson Director of IT, ATS Industrial Supply Direct: 801-978-4429 Toll-free: 888-972-3182 x29 Fax: 801-972-3888 http://www.atsindustrial.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
Vance: I can't find the info just now, but I have seen a java implementation of a terminal emulator that runs in a browser. It should pop up in Google rather readily. Jim -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Vance Dailey Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 3:18 PM To: 'U2 Users Discussion List' Subject:RE: Brower based terminal emulator File: ATT707352.txt I have just started the search and I figured that this group was the best place to start. I am hoping to find a pioneer without too many arrows in their back that could steer me to a workable solution. Another option I have considered is to find a Windows solution that runs under Wine. Thanks for the reply. Vance -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
RE: Brower based terminal emulator
snip Ideally the solution will work on both Windows and Linux desktops given that some desktops will likely have to remain Windows based /snip Have a look at http://javatelnet.org/ can be run as an applet or an application Cheers, Cam Booth Disclaimer Notice This message contains privileged and confidential information intended only for the use of the addressee named above. If you are not the intended recipient of this message you are hereby notified that you must not disseminate, copy or take any action or place any reliance on it. If you have received this message in error please notify Ultradata immediately. Any views expressed in this message are those of the individual sender, except where the sender specifically states them to be the views of Ultradata Australia Pty. Ltd. -- u2-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.oliver.com/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
