Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
And/or, invest some time to have reports delivered as email attachments ... then no need for VPN's and you end up with easier (better?) overall deployment mobility moving forward. Also, if you end up investigating AWS, I believe you will find S3 OK for snapshot storage, but I'd investigate EBS for REAL database Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Glen Batchelor Sent: Tuesday, 5 October 2010 5:52 AM To: 'U2 Users List' Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Keep in mind that VPNs and other SSL tunnels consume bandwidth even when 'idle' if you have keep alive or polling scenarios like with CUPS and network printers. They also apply additional overhead due to the encryption. If you are paying for a limited bandwidth service, then you should set up a test VPN to get a feel as to how much will be consumed by print services. Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: webmas...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:42 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Printing is not a problem. We have customers that are using a hosted solution and Printing works fine. You should have a secure connection between your network and the server, so setting up printers is it is an internal server. Tom RATEX Business Solution. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Tony: Thanks for writing. I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
No one else has mentioned this but there might be a conflict between your desire to get disaster recovery seats and your desire to run reports from a backup system. Failover systems generally should not be used for anything, though some sites do use them purely for generating reports from the current but otherwise unused data. I don't know how Rocket licensing works, just suggesting that you not be surprised if someone brings this up. T From:Bill Brutzman I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
On 07/10/10 19:38, Tony Gravagno wrote: No one else has mentioned this but there might be a conflict between your desire to get disaster recovery seats and your desire to run reports from a backup system. Failover systems generally should not be used for anything, though some sites do use them purely for generating reports from the current but otherwise unused data. I don't know how Rocket licensing works, just suggesting that you not be surprised if someone brings this up. In the old VMark/Ardent days, iirc, DR seats cost a quarter the price of a full seat. What we did (in the days before this get a validation code stuff) was to have a minimal licence on our DR system, and choose not to have hot failover. If we'd needed it, we would have relicenced our backup server with the main licence. IF that's okay, you'll need to check with Rocket how it works, but you could have say a four-seat licence on the backup system, pretty much same hardware as live, with which you could run your reports as required. Any problems, put your main licence on that box and (iirc) last time I moved an install the validation code didn't change with hardware so your original validation code (providing you remembered it) will validate on that install. Things might have changed since then, though ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Regarding the validation of the license, I believe that it derived from the configuration code, which is based on the physical hardware, serial number, or some other unique information for the server. You would need to re-authorize when moving the license to a different machine, but you also get at least a few days of demo before the license prevents users from logging in. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2010 4:44 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? On 07/10/10 19:38, Tony Gravagno wrote: No one else has mentioned this but there might be a conflict between your desire to get disaster recovery seats and your desire to run reports from a backup system. Failover systems generally should not be used for anything, though some sites do use them purely for generating reports from the current but otherwise unused data. I don't know how Rocket licensing works, just suggesting that you not be surprised if someone brings this up. In the old VMark/Ardent days, iirc, DR seats cost a quarter the price of a full seat. What we did (in the days before this get a validation code stuff) was to have a minimal licence on our DR system, and choose not to have hot failover. If we'd needed it, we would have relicenced our backup server with the main licence. IF that's okay, you'll need to check with Rocket how it works, but you could have say a four-seat licence on the backup system, pretty much same hardware as live, with which you could run your reports as required. Any problems, put your main licence on that box and (iirc) last time I moved an install the validation code didn't change with hardware so your original validation code (providing you remembered it) will validate on that install. Things might have changed since then, though ... Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. Tom RATEX Business Solutions -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 10:43 AM To: U2 Users List Subject: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. Suggestions would be appreciated. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Tony: Thanks for writing. I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Printing is not a problem. We have customers that are using a hosted solution and Printing works fine. You should have a secure connection between your network and the server, so setting up printers is it is an internal server. Tom RATEX Business Solution. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Tony: Thanks for writing. I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Keep in mind that VPNs and other SSL tunnels consume bandwidth even when 'idle' if you have keep alive or polling scenarios like with CUPS and network printers. They also apply additional overhead due to the encryption. If you are paying for a limited bandwidth service, then you should set up a test VPN to get a feel as to how much will be consumed by print services. Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: webmas...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tom Whitmore Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:42 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Printing is not a problem. We have customers that are using a hosted solution and Printing works fine. You should have a secure connection between your network and the server, so setting up printers is it is an internal server. Tom RATEX Business Solution. -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Tony: Thanks for writing. I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
EasyCo has dedicated and virtual servers as well as a tunnel connection product for printers, dumb terminals, etc. Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: webmas...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Bill Brutzman Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 2:33 PM To: U2 Users List Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Tony: Thanks for writing. I expect that one of the kickers in this is printing forms. Right now I cannot see how to send print jobs from the cloud host through our static IP router to our printers. Also, I sent a message to our sales rep at Rocket to ask about how licensing would work. That is, would we need to buy more seats or is there special pricing for disaster recovery seats. --Bill -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users- boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Tony Gravagno Sent: Monday, October 04, 2010 1:52 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse? Knowledge about the platform is certainly a good thing, but is it necessary? What's wrong with getting root-level Linux or Windows from any number of providers, and simply hosting your own environment? This is quite simple, really. Base pricing ranges from $15/month though maybe $100/month depending on disk, traffic, and memory. I know some U2 sites are hosting with CoLo's with various services totally anyhere from $400 to $800 per month. My recommendation: Find a low-cost host that provides root access for Linux or Windows. Install and configure your U2 environment within the usual money-back trial period of 30 days or so. Don't make any long term commitments. If you don't like it you have spent zero to maybe $30. Once you have the software installed you will know more about your actual needs. Then you can decide whether you need the services of a company like Zumasys (well recommended with MV expertise) or RackSpace (well recommended but no U2-specific experience). Also consider using Amazon services where you only power-on the virtual system (and pay for use) when you need it. Don't want to do this yourself? Find a well qualified U2 support company and ask them to do it for you. Like I said, it's easy, and they may find themselves creating a whole new line of business for themselves. HTH Tony Gravagno Nebula Research and Development TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! http://Twitter.com/TonyGravagno From: Tom Whitmore We had looked into hosted solutions. Check out Sumasys (zumasys.com), they are very knowledgeable about U2, or RackSpace. From: Bill Brutzman In case of a local disaster, we are wondering if there is available hosted UniVerse. I suppose that there is a license hurdle. I suppose it would be great if Rocket would consider doing hosting. I looked at Sierra Bravo's website. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] [U2} Cloud UniVerse?
Glen: EasyCo is an amazing company. I just download their software for my flash drive. I will check out their hosting... Thanks for letting me/us know. --Bill ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
