Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
I use a posh manufacturing mr4 keyboard decoder to connect scales to a thin client running a terminal emulator. it functions as a keyboard wedge. We have used them for 10 years with no problems. Bill George Hammerle wrote: > > Hello, > > Has anyone used a "Serial to Ethernet" Device between a Mettler > Scale ( PS60 ) and their Unidata / Universe System? We are running Unidata > on a Unix machine. What I would like to do is network a scale in our > receiving department. The "Serial to Ethernet" device would be set up as a > server. The Unidata Unix machine would connect via a socket to the "Serial > to Ethernet" device, pass "W*" to the Mettler Scale ( "give me the weight" > ), the scale would then pass back the weight through the "Serial to > Ethernet" device. > > If someone has done this and can provide any feedback, that would be > spectacular. And if you know of a serial to Ethernet device that works > well, please let me know. > > > George Hammerle > zhammerle@hubertREMOVE_THIS.com > > > > > > > > > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended > solely for the use of the individual or company to whom they are > addressed. If > you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender > immediately and > delete this e-mail including all attachments from your system. Thank you > ___ > U2-Users mailing list > U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org > http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users > > -- View this message in context: http://old.nabble.com/Serial-to-Ethernet-device-from-Mettler-Scale-to-Unidata-Universe-tp33794622p33864640.html Sent from the U2 - Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
Ethernet drops. Sure you could use cat5/6 cable as your medium to carry the serial itself. We used to do that for a brief period for devices that were local to the UV box. But that doesn't help me when the other end is in the clinic tower on the 11th floor as the UV server is on the 2nd floor of the hospital (different buildings). Everything in between in fiber going back to the d.c. on the 3rd floor. Then I've also got to support 6 other hospitals and 30+ clinics upwards of about 100 miles away. The Lantronix provide a single mechanism to support that's inexpensive and just plain works. On the UV side, I use nothing but the ethernet coming in. On the remote end, we place Lantronix UDS-1100 serial to ethernet device servers (about $125) http://www.lantronix.com/device-networking/external-device-servers/uds1100.html On the device end, it's either setup to auto-connect to the UV box, or put into server mode, and we connect to it (depends on the use). If you're going to do a serial printer, I'd suggest the LPS or EPS line instead as they support LPR - though we have used a UDS in a pinch. We've literally got hundreds of these deployed across about 1/2 of the state of Louisiana. Been quite pleased with them. Though the Digi's are very nice as well. Rob Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. >>> Wols Lists 5/6/2012 7:34 PM >>> On 04/05/12 15:21, Robert Porter wrote: > There are lots of reasons... > How far is the device?We span an 11 floor set of buildings where the UV > box is, plus 3 dozens other buildings across a radius of upwards of 100 > miles. With serial the farther you go, the slower you have to set it. Or are > you going to put in short hauls to get overt distance/speed limits? > > How about cabling costs? When they want to move the scale, you're going to > pay to move the point to point cable again? Ethernet drops tend to be > everywhere. The most that has to happen is an IP change. Do you mean ethernet, or do you mean cat-5/6? Years ago, I put a cat-5 loom in from the first floor to the basement of our office - about 40m of cable iirc. Then the office manager asked me "how do I control our telephone exchange on the first floor from my pc in the basement. I simply ran a cat-5 extension from each end of the loom into serial ports on the PC and the exchange. "serial to cat-5" converters were (and still are?) dirt cheap. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
I'm guessing he meant Ethernet - since this adapter isn't just a DB9 -> RJ45, it also has all the TCP/IP software to Appear as an IP address and take any traffic to that IP address and convert it to serial baud rate. The amazing part, is if you put two of those adaptors together, you can make a "serial cable" with one end in one Country and the other end in another country - and still transfer the data far faster than 19,200! And neither Piece of equipment will know it's running over Ethernet, they both only see serial, the two converters will talk TCP/IP to each other. George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of Wols Lists Sent: Sunday, May 06, 2012 8:35 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe On 04/05/12 15:21, Robert Porter wrote: > There are lots of reasons... > How far is the device?We span an 11 floor set of buildings where the UV > box is, plus 3 dozens other buildings across a radius of upwards of 100 > miles. With serial the farther you go, the slower you have to set it. Or are > you going to put in short hauls to get overt distance/speed limits? > > How about cabling costs? When they want to move the scale, you're going to > pay to move the point to point cable again? Ethernet drops tend to be > everywhere. The most that has to happen is an IP change. Do you mean ethernet, or do you mean cat-5/6? Years ago, I put a cat-5 loom in from the first floor to the basement of our office - about 40m of cable iirc. Then the office manager asked me "how do I control our telephone exchange on the first floor from my pc in the basement. I simply ran a cat-5 extension from each end of the loom into serial ports on the PC and the exchange. "serial to cat-5" converters were (and still are?) dirt cheap. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
On 04/05/12 15:21, Robert Porter wrote: > There are lots of reasons... > How far is the device?We span an 11 floor set of buildings where the UV > box is, plus 3 dozens other buildings across a radius of upwards of 100 > miles. With serial the farther you go, the slower you have to set it. Or are > you going to put in short hauls to get overt distance/speed limits? > > How about cabling costs? When they want to move the scale, you're going to > pay to move the point to point cable again? Ethernet drops tend to be > everywhere. The most that has to happen is an IP change. Do you mean ethernet, or do you mean cat-5/6? Years ago, I put a cat-5 loom in from the first floor to the basement of our office - about 40m of cable iirc. Then the office manager asked me "how do I control our telephone exchange on the first floor from my pc in the basement. I simply ran a cat-5 extension from each end of the loom into serial ports on the PC and the exchange. "serial to cat-5" converters were (and still are?) dirt cheap. Cheers, Wol ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
I concur. I have several pack/ship automation lines with PS90's running on the "PS One" serial servers set to server mode. I can only help with theory on the code since it's on D3. I wrote a live network scale input prompt that polls the scale for weight changes and displays the changes while waiting for a keystroke. I can only share pseudo code but I'll help where I can. On 5/4/2012 9:36 AM, George Gallen wrote: We have used this device: http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/digionesp#overview http://ftp1.digi.com/support/documentation/92000326_D.pdf It's been in use now for about 6 years - no problems - but I don't read from it, only write to it for A serial printer (our version has an lpd protocol built in). George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe Hello, Has anyone used a "Serial to Ethernet" Device between a Mettler Scale ( PS60 ) and their Unidata / Universe System? We are running Unidata on a Unix machine. What I would like to do is network a scale in our receiving department. The "Serial to Ethernet" device would be set up as a server. The Unidata Unix machine would connect via a socket to the "Serial to Ethernet" device, pass "W*" to the Mettler Scale ( "give me the weight" ), the scale would then pass back the weight through the "Serial to Ethernet" device. If someone has done this and can provide any feedback, that would be spectacular. And if you know of a serial to Ethernet device that works well, please let me know. George Hammerle zhammerle@hubertREMOVE_THIS.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or company to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail including all attachments from your system. Thank you ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Glen Batchelor IT Director/CIO/CTO All-Spec Industries phone: (910) 332-0424 fax: (910) 763-5664 E-mail: webmas...@all-spec.com Web: http://www.all-spec.com Mobile: http://m.all-spec.com Blog: http://blog.all-spec.com 24-hour Automated Voice Response. Get order status and tracking information 24-hours a day from any touch-tone phone. Call now: 877.404.6165 [910.550.2220] (you will need your 6-digit order# and the ship-to postal code of that order) D U Txt? Get order and tracking info via SMS/Text. Add your mobile# to MyAccount to activate. Text your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 to get order status. Text track, and your 6-digit order# to 910.550.2220 for latest tracking info. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
Sorry that I missed the original post. Here's another approach to consider. AnzioWin, our terminal emulator, contains two features that can address this need. First, we have bidirectional AUX support compatible with the terminals we emulate. You would attach the scale (or other serial device) to any Windows serial port on the associated PC. Then configure Anzio for this port. In operation, your host program would send out one escape sequence to go into bidi AUX mode, then send data to and read data from the device, then send out another escape code sequence. Note that the program reading the scale must be programmed specifically for this application. The second feature is called "backchannel aux". We allocate another channel within an SSH session for bidirectional serial communication. A PTY is assigned on the host end. On the PC end, we connect the backchannel to a specified COM port. On the host end, a program that does I/O to a pty port works without modification. Because all communication is over SSH, it is authenticated and encrypted. More info on request. On Fri, 4 May 2012, Robert Porter wrote: > > I suspect not with this in the OP: "What I would like to do is network a > scale in our receiving department." > > Most places don't put the UV/UD box in receiving. At least I HOPE not. :) > > Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java > Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst > Laboratory Information Services > Ochsner Health System > > > > This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential > information, privileged material (including material protected by the > solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public > information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended > recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, > please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your > system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this > transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. > > > >>> Jeff Schasny 5/4/2012 9:41 AM >>> > That's why I asked. For all we know it could also be 10 feet away. > > Regards, Bob Rasmussen, President, Rasmussen Software, Inc. personal e-mail: r...@anzio.com company e-mail: r...@anzio.com voice: (US) 503-624-0360 (9:00-6:00 Pacific Time) fax: (US) 503-624-0760 web: http://www.anzio.com street address: Rasmussen Software, Inc. 10240 SW Nimbus, Suite L9 Portland, OR 97223 USA ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
I suspect not with this in the OP: "What I would like to do is network a scale in our receiving department." Most places don't put the UV/UD box in receiving. At least I HOPE not. :) Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. >>> Jeff Schasny 5/4/2012 9:41 AM >>> That's why I asked. For all we know it could also be 10 feet away. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
That's why I asked. For all we know it could also be 10 feet away. Robert Porter wrote: There are lots of reasons... How far is the device?We span an 11 floor set of buildings where the UV box is, plus 3 dozens other buildings across a radius of upwards of 100 miles. With serial the farther you go, the slower you have to set it. Or are you going to put in short hauls to get overt distance/speed limits? How about cabling costs? When they want to move the scale, you're going to pay to move the point to point cable again? Ethernet drops tend to be everywhere. The most that has to happen is an IP change. When it doesn't work, then what... cable itself? Connector? With a serial over ethernet, I instantly know if the device server is up and running. A potential problem is localized to at the device. Plus I get to use the included full hardware control cables - off the shelf not custom made. So I've got access to DTR, DSR, CTS, etc. signals. They're molded so I don't generally worry about them breaking. And if I ever suspected one was, I'd grab another and swap it out. Moving away from PtoP serial drops was one of the smartest moves we ever made. To the OP: Digi's are nice (use some for fax modems)... I'd also suggest Lantronix as an alternative. Specifically the UDS-1100 for single port or UDS-2100 for a 2 port. They run about $125 & $175 respectively. They are rock solid. In a dozen years, I can could the failed devices on one hand. Robert Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. Jeff Schasny 5/4/2012 8:38 AM >>> I have not communicated with the type of device you are thinking of using but I would suggest that if there is no specific reason to connect to the scale via Ethernet you could hook it to your Unix box serially and read/write via the !ASYNC (aka !AMLC) subroutine. Ahh the joys of serial communication. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
There are lots of reasons... How far is the device?We span an 11 floor set of buildings where the UV box is, plus 3 dozens other buildings across a radius of upwards of 100 miles. With serial the farther you go, the slower you have to set it. Or are you going to put in short hauls to get overt distance/speed limits? How about cabling costs? When they want to move the scale, you're going to pay to move the point to point cable again? Ethernet drops tend to be everywhere. The most that has to happen is an IP change. When it doesn't work, then what... cable itself? Connector? With a serial over ethernet, I instantly know if the device server is up and running. A potential problem is localized to at the device. Plus I get to use the included full hardware control cables - off the shelf not custom made. So I've got access to DTR, DSR, CTS, etc. signals. They're molded so I don't generally worry about them breaking. And if I ever suspected one was, I'd grab another and swap it out. Moving away from PtoP serial drops was one of the smartest moves we ever made. To the OP: Digi's are nice (use some for fax modems)... I'd also suggest Lantronix as an alternative. Specifically the UDS-1100 for single port or UDS-2100 for a 2 port. They run about $125 & $175 respectively. They are rock solid. In a dozen years, I can could the failed devices on one hand. Robert Robert F. Porter, MCSE, CCNA, ZCE, OCP-Java Lead Sr. Programmer / Analyst Laboratory Information Services Ochsner Health System This transmission (including any attachments) may contain confidential information, privileged material (including material protected by the solicitor-client or other applicable privileges), or constitute non-public information. Any use of this information by anyone other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately reply to the sender and delete this information from your system. Use, dissemination, distribution, or reproduction of this transmission by unintended recipients is not authorized and may be unlawful. >>> Jeff Schasny 5/4/2012 8:38 AM >>> I have not communicated with the type of device you are thinking of using but I would suggest that if there is no specific reason to connect to the scale via Ethernet you could hook it to your Unix box serially and read/write via the !ASYNC (aka !AMLC) subroutine. Ahh the joys of serial communication. ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
I have not communicated with the type of device you are thinking of using but I would suggest that if there is no specific reason to connect to the scale via Ethernet you could hook it to your Unix box serially and read/write via the !ASYNC (aka !AMLC) subroutine. Ahh the joys of serial communication. George Hammerle wrote: Hello, Has anyone used a "Serial to Ethernet" Device between a Mettler Scale ( PS60 ) and their Unidata / Universe System? We are running Unidata on a Unix machine. What I would like to do is network a scale in our receiving department. The "Serial to Ethernet" device would be set up as a server. The Unidata Unix machine would connect via a socket to the "Serial to Ethernet" device, pass "W*" to the Mettler Scale ( "give me the weight" ), the scale would then pass back the weight through the "Serial to Ethernet" device. If someone has done this and can provide any feedback, that would be spectacular. And if you know of a serial to Ethernet device that works well, please let me know. George Hammerle zhammerle@hubertREMOVE_THIS.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or company to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail including all attachments from your system. Thank you ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users -- Jeff Schasny - Denver, Co, USA jschasny at gmail dot com ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
Re: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe
We have used this device: http://www.digi.com/products/serialservers/digionesp#overview http://ftp1.digi.com/support/documentation/92000326_D.pdf It's been in use now for about 6 years - no problems - but I don't read from it, only write to it for A serial printer (our version has an lpd protocol built in). George -Original Message- From: u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org [mailto:u2-users-boun...@listserver.u2ug.org] On Behalf Of George Hammerle Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 7:54 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Serial to Ethernet device from Mettler Scale to Unidata/Universe Hello, Has anyone used a "Serial to Ethernet" Device between a Mettler Scale ( PS60 ) and their Unidata / Universe System? We are running Unidata on a Unix machine. What I would like to do is network a scale in our receiving department. The "Serial to Ethernet" device would be set up as a server. The Unidata Unix machine would connect via a socket to the "Serial to Ethernet" device, pass "W*" to the Mettler Scale ( "give me the weight" ), the scale would then pass back the weight through the "Serial to Ethernet" device. If someone has done this and can provide any feedback, that would be spectacular. And if you know of a serial to Ethernet device that works well, please let me know. George Hammerle zhammerle@hubertREMOVE_THIS.com This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or company to whom they are addressed. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail including all attachments from your system. Thank you ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users ___ U2-Users mailing list U2-Users@listserver.u2ug.org http://listserver.u2ug.org/mailman/listinfo/u2-users
