Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 22:58 -0400, Cory K. wrote:

 Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Anton Kerezov
В 15:43 -0400 на 29.08.2008 (пт), Ken Vermette написа:

 I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience
 available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a
 little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have
 no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK
 theme at all still shocks me)
 
 Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and
 customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of
 what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell
 a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up
 (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight.
 Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would
 be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly.
 
 -Ken Vermette
 

I can help you but I'm not such a big guru. What do you have problems
with?


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[ubuntu-art] introduction

2008-09-01 Thread Frank Karlitschek
Hi,

I would like to introduce myself. I´m running the openDesktop.org  
network with for example GNOME-Look.org, Ubuntu-Art.org and Kubuntu- 
Art.org.

I´m following your discussion about the future of the Ubuntu Artwork  
with a lot of interest.
I think you all are doing a great job with building a really beautiful  
Operating System.

If there is something I can do to help you with your work please send  
me a message.

If you need for example a place for uploading your artwork or  
functionality to discuss or vote on something I would be glad to help  
you.

Keep on rocking. :-)


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Rico Sta. Cruz

Here:
http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9104/dusticonsez0.png

Perhaps not a direct answer here, as I was thinking more of my Dust theme
while making this ;) But the idea is to mix:

 - Human's orange
 - The subtleness of the Oxygen icon
 - The sly translucency of both

...while donning a new a more subdued palette, and simply making the orange
a highlight more than a main color. Anyway, I hope you guys like it. :)

-Rico S.


P.S. Sorry Cory, I sent this email to you (and not the list) by mistake.


Cory K.-2 wrote:
 
 I'm at the beginning stages of a new icon set effort for Ubuntu. But I
 have a little question in the meantime.
 
 Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png
 
 Consider it an exercise. :)
 
 And please no wise-cracks. Please show that there are some talented,
 mature people on this list. ;)
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 В 15:43 -0400 на 29.08.2008 (пт), Ken Vermette написа:

  I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience
  available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a
  little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have
  no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK
  theme at all still shocks me)
 
  Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and
  customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of
  what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell
  a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up
  (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight.
  Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would
  be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly.
 
  -Ken Vermette
 

 I can help you but I'm not such a big guru. What do you have problems
 with?


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Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them;
 - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the
panels.
 - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look
like the rest of the panel.

Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a
piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is.

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust
Thanks for any help!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Dooboo Ya

  Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png

 http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/folder_challenge_01.png


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Cory K.
Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to
capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom
glow on the human folders.

Ken W. might be able to explain it more.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Anton Kerezov
В 09:44 -0400 на 01.09.2008 (пн), Ken Vermette написа:

 Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them;
  - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with
 the panels.
  - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they
 should look like the rest of the panel.
 
 Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit
 of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is.
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust
 Thanks for any help!

About the second one - I'm having problems with this too and right now
it is impossible to solve it.

About the buttons : see the attachment. I just used the old code from
New Wave when it was based on clearlooks. 

Anton
style fix
{
xthickness = 0
ythickness = 0
bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = shadows/window-bg.png
}

class *Panel* style fix

style panel
{

xthickness = 1
ythickness = 1

fg[NORMAL] = mix(0.70, lighter(@selected_bg_color), @bg_color)
fg[PRELIGHT] = lighter(mix(0.90, lighter(@selected_bg_color), 
@bg_color))
fg[ACTIVE] = lighter(mix(0.50, lighter(@selected_bg_color), @bg_color))


bg[NORMAL] = #432E1F 
bg[PRELIGHT] = shade(2.0, #432E1F) 
bg[ACTIVE] = shade(1.5, #432E1F)
bg[SELECTED] = shade(2.0,#432E1F)


bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = panel/panel_bg.svg

}

#
#THESE DECLARATIONS MAKE SURE THE PANEL STILL USES PANEL STYLE
#

widget *PanelWidget*  style panel
widget *PanelApplet*  style panel
widget *fast-user-switch* style panel
class PanelApp*   style panel
class PanelToplevel*  style panel
widget_class *Mail*   style panel
widget_class *notif*  style panel
widget_class *Notif*  style panel
# @author:dilomo@ cpu-frequency applet was with dark text. Fix it. 
widget_class *FreqApplet* style panel
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

2008-09-01 Thread Rico Sta. Cruz

Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost
at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient.

The latest versions are always at:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme


-Rico S.


Kido Mariano wrote:
 
 I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as
 base. Try it out:
 
 http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz
 (requires Aurora engine installed)
 
 It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most
 notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to
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Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //

2008-09-01 Thread Rico Sta. Cruz

Re: min-max-close buttons:
They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However,
they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones...
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it
:) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved?


Best regards,
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Mr.doob wrote:
 
 i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public'
 appreciation of the Dust theme mockups:

http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/

http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116

 both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200
 comments.
 there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust
 is a direction worth following.

 the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly
 going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a
 little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is
 pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out):

   
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg

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 Hello hello!
 
 New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll
 be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a
 hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right
 direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your
 own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys
 should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the
 logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the
 conversation, which is something arguable).
 
 Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the
 list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it
 works
 
 Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing
 projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I
 would really like to see something along those lines on the default
 wallpaper, did you do it?
 
 Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be
 careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put
 two links to illustrate my point:
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png
 
 The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the
 corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it
 looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well.
 
 Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme:
 http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653
 
 Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available.
 
 That's it by now.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 В 09:44 -0400 на 01.09.2008 (пн), Ken Vermette написа:

  Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them;
   - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with
  the panels.
   - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they
  should look like the rest of the panel.
 
  Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit
  of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is.
 
  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust
  Thanks for any help!

 About the second one - I'm having problems with this too and right now
 it is impossible to solve it.

 About the buttons : see the attachment. I just used the old code from
 New Wave when it was based on clearlooks.

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The different background on the applications/places/system doesn't look bad,
it just wasn't the original intent. Great job on the panel buttons though!
Looks much slicker! I'm toiling away on the Metacity theme (I'm winging half
of this stuff, so I'm a bit slower than I should be).

Anywho, if you want to run rampant and go though the GTK, there's some other
known bugs posted on the Wiki - you seem to know more of what you're doing,
and it would be much appreciated since I have about 4 things on the go. ;)

Great stuff! Thank you!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation

2008-09-01 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost
 at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient.

 The latest versions are always at:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme


 -Rico S.


 Kido Mariano wrote:
 
  I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as
  base. Try it out:
 
  http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz
  (requires Aurora engine installed)
 
  It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most
  notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to
  help?
 
 
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I also read about your firefox issue. I found a fix in the SlickneSS theme
involving userchrome.css; It should be in the Kin Dust theme, just replace
the text colour in the file (bottom of file) with whatever colour you want.

For the menubar, if you use a pixmap, you can just use an image with any
gradient you want. I reccoment SVG for excellent scaling.

I can get more detailed on these, but I really just reccomend downloading a
could other themes with the sttributes you need, and then borrowing code.
Kin Didymous has very similar features (It was inspired by Dust) so it has
almost everythig you're already looking for. Mind you, it's kind of sloppily
coded right now...

(GTK / Userchrome.css, I think)
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=Human-Didymous.tar.gz

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Cory K.
Ken Vermette wrote:
 Something like this?

 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png

Very nice sir. Lets see what Ken W. thinks. :) He also has alt Oxygen
folders that weren't used. They might spark some ideas.

My plan is to issue a couple more challenges like this then reveal my
overall plan. :P


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Mr . doob
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to
 capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom
 glow on the human folders.

 Ken W. might be able to explain it more.

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 Something like this?

 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png

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Nice solution. But, doesn't the shadow being that close to the glow
looks weird? Like, where is that glow coming from? why the light is
creating that glow in the folder isn't affecting the shadow too?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Cory K.
Mr.doob wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to
 capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom
 glow on the human folders.

 Ken W. might be able to explain it more.

 -Cory K.
   
 Something like this?

 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png

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 Nice solution. But, doesn't the shadow being that close to the glow
 looks weird? Like, where is that glow coming from? why the light is
 creating that glow in the folder isn't affecting the shadow too?

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I think some things can come down to artistic license. Certainly if we
try for a set we will aim for consistency.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] introduction

2008-09-01 Thread Vadim Peretokin
I have no official position whatsoever, so don't take my word for this.

But it would be nice if ubuntu-art.org had a section for 8.10 artwork
discussion - where artists could upload their work and get user feedback.
Similar to this list, but I suppose that would get a lot more coverage.
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[ubuntu-art] Icon management (was: introduction)

2008-09-01 Thread Thorsten Wilms
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 15:01 +0200, Frank Karlitschek wrote:
 Hi,
 
 I would like to introduce myself. I´m running the openDesktop.org  
 network with for example GNOME-Look.org, Ubuntu-Art.org and Kubuntu- 
 Art.org.

Hi and welcome! Thank you for the work you are already doing, it's so
easy to just take what is there as given without thinking about the
people behind it :)


 If you need for example a place for uploading your artwork or  
 functionality to discuss or vote on something I would be glad to help  
 you.

Well, just today I had to think about how the process of creating and
maintaining icon themes could be improved. I know the following is quite
a big step past upload and voting features, but since you asked ... ;)


= Icon management website =

A central site where registered members can:
- Upload or link sketches and reference material for icons and have
  them associated with said icons
- Upload icon sources as .svg and .xcf. Both 1 icon per file and
  sheets with several sizes in one file should be supported
- View and compare different sets of icons
- Track licensing, contributors and projects using the icons
- Step through revisions
- Manage conflicting edits
- See diffs between svg sources and pixel-edited final images
- Add comments and annotations (= comment with pointer)
- Filter comments and annotations for users and groups
- Manage access rights for users and groups
- See the necessary commands to checkout or update specific icons
  or sets
- Even better: Freely create, checkout and update icon sheets
- Have screenshots generated with new icons in place

It doesn't have to be all that at once, every step in this direction
would be nice.

This should obviously be a huge boon for everyone working on icons and
shouldn't be restricted to Ubuntu. Especially with comparing different
icon sets as one of the features.


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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Andreas Berger
Ken Vermette schrieb:
 Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them;
  - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with 
 the panels.
  - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they 
 should look like the rest of the panel.

I used a TRANSPARENT MENUBAR on the panel when i created a pixmap theme 
with inverted panels. i know that most themes just have the same image 
file for both the menubar and the panel itself, but that can get messy 
because the panel and the menubar have different resizing behaviors (due 
to panel theming restrictions).
i guess the transparency solution can be used for other panel stuff like 
applets as well. so here it is (sorry for the weird layout, this is an 
old one):



style panel = default-inverted
{
xthickness = 0
ythickness = 0
bg_pixmap[NORMAL]=panel.png#unfortunately this 
is the only way we can get a pixmap to be the panel bg
}

#

style panel-menubar = default-inverted
{
 engine pixmap {
  image {
function= BOX
file= transparent.png#transparent menubar 
to let the panel look through, this could also be used for panel applets
border= { 0, 0, 0, 0 }
stretch= TRUE
}
}}


style panel-menubar-item = default-inverted
{
 engine pixmap {
  image {
function= BOX
file= panel-button-in_prelight.png#selected 
menubar item will look like a pressed panel button
border= { 5, 5, 5, 5 }
stretch= TRUE
}
}}

#

style panel-button = default-inverted
{
xthickness = 2
 engine pixmap {
  image {
function= BOX
state= NORMAL
file= panel-button-out.png
border  = { 5, 5, 5, 5 }
stretch = TRUE
}
  image {
function= BOX
shadow  = OUT
state= PRELIGHT
file= panel-button-out_prelight.png
border  = { 5, 5, 5, 5 }
stretch = TRUE
}
  image {
function= BOX
state= ACTIVE
file= panel-button-in.png
border  = { 5, 5, 5, 5 }
stretch = TRUE
}
  image {
function= BOX
shadow  = IN
state= PRELIGHT
file= panel-button-in_prelight.png
border  = { 5, 5, 5, 5 }
stretch = TRUE
}
}}

#
#
#


widget_class *PanelToplevel*style panel
widget_class *PanelToplevel*GtkButton*style panel-button
#the  brackets ensure that not only strictly GtkButton is 
affected, but also e.g.GtkToggleButton
widget_class *PanelToplevel*MenuBarstyle panel-menubar
#panel menubar should look different from menubar in a window
widget_class *PanelToplevel*MenuBar.*style 
panel-menubar-item#panel menubar should look different from 
menubar in a window

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[ubuntu-art] theme teams

2008-09-01 Thread Kenneth Wimer
Hi all,

Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can install and 
test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest version or 
such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and put it 
in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid theme choosen ?

2008-09-01 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:44:46 Patrice Vetsel wrote:
 I don't know where to find the information, but is the final theme for
 Intrepid choosen ?

 I hope to test it and report bug/problem as soon as possible.

No, it has not been chosen yet. Once everything is final I will be sure to 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:19:26 Andreas Berger wrote:
 the layout from my previous mail turned out even more twisted than in my
 preview. so this time an attachment. sorry for the mess.

I suggest staying away from the panel transparency as it doesn't work with all 
applets (some will still have an opaque bg). Maybe one day we will get real 
rgba support going across gtk and the panel and system-tray :-/

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Cory K.
Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 Ken Vermette wrote:

 Something like this?

 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png


 Hi all,

 I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at 
 the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more 
 subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that 
 we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small 
 version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience 
 has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps 
 things within the bounds of possibility.
   

Agreed. I'm hoping to stimulate ideas now and refine later. Making
changes to accommodate these various sizes.

 I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for 
 Oxygen 
 a couple of years ago and post them to the list.

Cool. Maybe they can stir some other ideas.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams

2008-09-01 Thread Kenneth Wimer
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:40:42 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 Hi all,

 Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can install
 and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest version
 or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and put
 it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit.

Perhaps I should explain what this really means :-)

https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive is the url for my PPA. A PPA (Personal 
Package Archive) is a place in which I put source code and it gets 
automatically compiled and is then available for others in an easy fashion.

What that means is that if you add these as sources in Synaptic Package 
Manager...

deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main

...you'll be able to install the packages and see when they get updated.

1) start synaptic (System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manager)
2) enter password
3) Synaptic opens, add the repository in Settings-Repositories-Third Party 
Software, click on the Add button at the bottom left

Naturally you can also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo rights and 
then apt-get update to have it check for new packages on the command line.

If I have missed anything or anything is confusing feel free to ask for help.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust

2008-09-01 Thread Andreas Berger
Kenneth Wimer schrieb:
 On Monday 01 September 2008 18:19:26 Andreas Berger wrote:
 the layout from my previous mail turned out even more twisted than in my
 preview. so this time an attachment. sorry for the mess.

 I suggest staying away from the panel transparency as it doesn't work with 
 all 
 applets (some will still have an opaque bg). Maybe one day we will get real 
 rgba support going across gtk and the panel and system-tray :-/

 --
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my post was not about panel transparency. the panel in my example is not 
transparent at all,

i simply provided a solution for the panel-menubar 
(=Application-Places-System) to be consistent with the panel by making 
the *menubar* transparent with an empty pixmap (the whole thing only 
applies to pixmap themes). this solution is more accurate than using the 
same image for both because of the different resizing modes that i 
mentioned in my previous post.

that was what Ken Vermette asked for, i think. hope that explains. by 
the way, does anyone know another solution?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Who
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I'm at the beginning stages of a new icon set effort for Ubuntu. But I
 have a little question in the meantime.

 Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png

 Consider it an exercise. :)


I did this years ago :)

http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/DapperFolderPreview.png

I think some of those are still sort of relevant...

Old discussion:
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001352.html

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[ubuntu-art] Dust + Willibex

2008-09-01 Thread Mario Viviani
Hi everybody!

I made a different emerald theme using Kin Dust emerald theme found on
the wiki, and i edited it to fit willibex theme, that was one of the
discussed themes few weeks ago, if i remember correctly. I modified
willibex theme too, changing the background from brown-yellow colours to
white.
The result is nice, in my opinion. Just a more greyish theme that's just
easier for the eyes than the brown-orange colours, keeping elegance of
Dust and the amazing willwill mockup essence. Obviously it's still in
developing.

Here's the link to the images:

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2819448312_656a92ef01_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2818600731_fc5cfba2a9_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2819446872_d7ffcde849_o.png
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2819446032_087e2380c1_o.png

Here's the link to the original willibex theme:
http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/willibex?content=86844

What do you think about?

Cheers!

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Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //

2008-09-01 Thread Jesper Lundgren
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Re: min-max-close buttons:
 They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However,
 they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones...
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

 Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it
 :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved?


 Best regards,
 Rico


 Mr.doob wrote:
 
  i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public'
  appreciation of the Dust theme mockups:
 
 http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/
 
 http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116
 
  both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200
  comments.
  there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust
  is a direction worth following.
 
  the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly
  going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a
  little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is
  pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out):
 
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg
 
  cheers!
  --
  julian oliver
  http://julianoliver.com
 
 
  Hello hello!
 
  New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll
  be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a
  hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right
  direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your
  own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys
  should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the
  logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the
  conversation, which is something arguable).
 
  Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the
  list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it
  works
 
  Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing
  projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I
  would really like to see something along those lines on the default
  wallpaper, did you do it?
 
  Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be
  careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put
  two links to illustrate my point:
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png
 
  The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the
  corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it
  looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well.
 
  Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme:
 
 http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653
 
  Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available.
 
  That's it by now.
 
  Cheers!
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I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be
too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is
not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i
think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something
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Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //

2008-09-01 Thread Arjuna Navaratna
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jesper Lundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Re: min-max-close buttons:
 They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However,
 they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones...
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

 Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes
 it
 :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved?


 Best regards,
 Rico


 Mr.doob wrote:
 
  i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public'
  appreciation of the Dust theme mockups:
 
 http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/
 
 http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116
 
  both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200
  comments.
  there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly
 Dust
  is a direction worth following.
 
  the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly
  going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a
  little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is
  pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out):
 
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg
 
  cheers!
  --
  julian oliver
  http://julianoliver.com
 
 
  Hello hello!
 
  New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll
  be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a
  hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right
  direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your
  own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys
  should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the
  logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the
  conversation, which is something arguable).
 
  Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the
  list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it
  works
 
  Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing
  projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I
  would really like to see something along those lines on the default
  wallpaper, did you do it?
 
  Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be
  careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put
  two links to illustrate my point:
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png
 
  The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the
  corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it
  looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well.
 
  Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme:
 
 http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653
 
  Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available.
 
  That's it by now.
 
  Cheers!
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 I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be
 too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is
 not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i
 think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something
 that looks fresh and fun, I do love that ibex wallpaper, it is amazing.

 I like the new version Dust-2. I am using it on my laptop right now and
many of my friends actually asked me what it is. Nobody has likened it to
OS-X or Vista yet!

One thing I noticed, I'm not sure if its native to firefox, but when you
right click on the toolbar you get a menu with two checkboxes. The text
beside the checkbox is spaced far too close.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //

2008-09-01 Thread Arjuna Navaratna
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Arjuna Navaratna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jesper Lundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:



 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:


 Re: min-max-close buttons:
 They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However,
 they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones...
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme

 Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes
 it
 :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved?


 Best regards,
 Rico


 Mr.doob wrote:
 
  i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public'
  appreciation of the Dust theme mockups:
 
 http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/
 
 http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116
 
  both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200
  comments.
  there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly
 Dust
  is a direction worth following.
 
  the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly
  going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a
  little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG
 is
  pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out):
 
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg
 
  cheers!
  --
  julian oliver
  http://julianoliver.com
 
 
  Hello hello!
 
  New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll
  be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a
  hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right
  direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your
  own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys
  should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the
  logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the
  conversation, which is something arguable).
 
  Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the
  list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it
  works
 
  Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing
  projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I
  would really like to see something along those lines on the default
  wallpaper, did you do it?
 
  Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be
  careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put
  two links to illustrate my point:
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg
 
 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png
 
  The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the
  corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it
  looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well.
 
  Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme:
 
 http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653
 
  Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available.
 
  That's it by now.
 
  Cheers!
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 I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be
 too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is
 not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i
 think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something
 that looks fresh and fun, I do love that ibex wallpaper, it is amazing.

 I like the new version Dust-2. I am using it on my laptop right now and
 many of my friends actually asked me what it is. Nobody has likened it to
 OS-X or Vista yet!

 One thing I noticed, I'm not sure if its native to firefox, but when you
 right click on the toolbar you get a menu with two checkboxes. The text
 beside the checkbox is spaced far too close.

 -Arjuna

 Quick question. You mentioned that you're still undecided with the
min/max/close buttons. Well the 'embossed' look in dust-2 isn't bad if you
can apply it to min and max as well. I was wondering if it is possible to
implement the one in the pidgin buddy list screenshot on the wiki?

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Ken Vermette
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at
 the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more
 subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part
 that
 we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making
 small
 version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My
 experience
 has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps
 things within the bounds of possibility.

 I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for
 Oxygen
 a couple of years ago and post them to the list.

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As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more
visually appropriate.
Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea
if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless
they are there.


http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread David
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient
 at
 the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit
 more
 subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part
 that
 we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making
 small
 version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My
 experience
 has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps
 things within the bounds of possibility.

 I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for
 Oxygen
 a couple of years ago and post them to the list.

 --
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 As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more
 visually appropriate.
 Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea
 if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless
 they are there.


 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png

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I like that a lot. If we can flip the folder around so the top lip
thing is in the left, the thumbnails will be much more visible.
Another option would be to put the thumbnail on top and add a drop
shadow... if the transparency thing doesn't work.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.

2008-09-01 Thread Cory K.
Ken Vermette wrote:
 On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,

 I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight
 gradient at
 the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a
 bit more
 subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important
 part that
 we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is
 making small
 version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My
 experience
 has shown that making a small version while making the big version
 keeps
 things within the bounds of possibility.

 I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we
 made for Oxygen
 a couple of years ago and post them to the list.

 --
 Ken


 As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be
 more visually appropriate.
 Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have
 no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but
 nonetheless they are there.


 http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png

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Wow man. Top notch. I might have to get my plan in place faster than I
thought. :) Lets see what Ken W. thinks.

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Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams

2008-09-01 Thread Rico Sta. Cruz

Hi Ken,

How useful!
Should be ping you in case of any updates to our themes? :)


-Rico


Kenneth Wimer-5 wrote:
 
 On Monday 01 September 2008 18:40:42 Kenneth Wimer wrote:
 Hi all,

 Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can
 install
 and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest
 version
 or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and
 put
 it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit.
 
 Perhaps I should explain what this really means :-)
 
 https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive is the url for my PPA. A PPA
 (Personal 
 Package Archive) is a place in which I put source code and it gets 
 automatically compiled and is then available for others in an easy
 fashion.
 
 What that means is that if you add these as sources in Synaptic Package 
 Manager...
 
 deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
 deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main
 
 ...you'll be able to install the packages and see when they get updated.
 
 1) start synaptic (System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manager)
 2) enter password
 3) Synaptic opens, add the repository in Settings-Repositories-Third
 Party 
 Software, click on the Add button at the bottom left
 
 Naturally you can also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo rights
 and 
 then apt-get update to have it check for new packages on the command line.
 
 If I have missed anything or anything is confusing feel free to ask for
 help.
 
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Tossing some Window decorations into the pot.

2008-09-01 Thread Rico Sta. Cruz

Hey!

The things I'm not sure about here are:
 - The orange glow. I like the idea of a different-colored shadow, but if it
appears as a glow against certian backgrounds, it seems inconsistent and a
bit cheesy.
 - The min/max/close buttons. I'm not sure if it's too big or if the borders
tick me off...

But on the other hand, I do love the simplicity of it. Having that 1px
highlight was classy and spot-on.


Cheers,
-Rico


xl cheese wrote:
 
 I created matching metacity and emerald themes.  Based on the Union
 concept for Hardy, but are taylored to be dark.  They may fit in well with
 all the dark/light hybird themes floating around.
 
 Get 'em here:  (*Quality* feedback would be appreciated.  :)  )
 Screenshot of the Metacity: 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=xl_dark_alt_metacity.jpg
 
 Metacity download:
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=xl_cheeselooks_DarkAlt.tar.gz
 
 Screenshot of Emerald: 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=xl_darknew.jpg
 
 Emerald download: 
 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=87877-xl_dark.emerald.tar.gz
 
 
 Now if someone can tell me how to make the close button in metacity wider
 than the other buttons I'd be a happy camper.
 
 Also, this patch here may be extremely useful on a theme with merged
 menubar and window decoration.  Heck,  it'd be useful on any theme.  I
 haven't been able to make it work tho.  I'm hoping more of us will ask for
 it to be dumped into upstream.   So if you like the idea then comment on
 the bug please.
 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437
 
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