Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Sun, 2008-08-31 at 22:58 -0400, Cory K. wrote: Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/folder_challenge_01.png -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
В 15:43 -0400 на 29.08.2008 (пт), Ken Vermette написа: I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK theme at all still shocks me) Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight. Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly. -Ken Vermette I can help you but I'm not such a big guru. What do you have problems with? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] introduction
Hi, I would like to introduce myself. I´m running the openDesktop.org network with for example GNOME-Look.org, Ubuntu-Art.org and Kubuntu- Art.org. I´m following your discussion about the future of the Ubuntu Artwork with a lot of interest. I think you all are doing a great job with building a really beautiful Operating System. If there is something I can do to help you with your work please send me a message. If you need for example a place for uploading your artwork or functionality to discuss or vote on something I would be glad to help you. Keep on rocking. :-) Cheers Frank -- Frank Karlitschek [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Here: http://img118.imageshack.us/img118/9104/dusticonsez0.png Perhaps not a direct answer here, as I was thinking more of my Dust theme while making this ;) But the idea is to mix: - Human's orange - The subtleness of the Oxygen icon - The sly translucency of both ...while donning a new a more subdued palette, and simply making the orange a highlight more than a main color. Anyway, I hope you guys like it. :) -Rico S. P.S. Sorry Cory, I sent this email to you (and not the list) by mistake. Cory K.-2 wrote: I'm at the beginning stages of a new icon set effort for Ubuntu. But I have a little question in the meantime. Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png Consider it an exercise. :) And please no wise-cracks. Please show that there are some talented, mature people on this list. ;) -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Folder-Icon-challenge.-tp19248315p19254754.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В 15:43 -0400 на 29.08.2008 (пт), Ken Vermette написа: I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK theme at all still shocks me) Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight. Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly. -Ken Vermette I can help you but I'm not such a big guru. What do you have problems with? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust Thanks for any help! -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png http://thorwil.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/folder_challenge_01.png -- Thorsten Wilms Actually I think it's a bit more like this (see attachment). attachment: folder_challenge_02.png-- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom glow on the human folders. Ken W. might be able to explain it more. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
В 09:44 -0400 на 01.09.2008 (пн), Ken Vermette написа: Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust Thanks for any help! About the second one - I'm having problems with this too and right now it is impossible to solve it. About the buttons : see the attachment. I just used the old code from New Wave when it was based on clearlooks. Anton style fix { xthickness = 0 ythickness = 0 bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = shadows/window-bg.png } class *Panel* style fix style panel { xthickness = 1 ythickness = 1 fg[NORMAL] = mix(0.70, lighter(@selected_bg_color), @bg_color) fg[PRELIGHT] = lighter(mix(0.90, lighter(@selected_bg_color), @bg_color)) fg[ACTIVE] = lighter(mix(0.50, lighter(@selected_bg_color), @bg_color)) bg[NORMAL] = #432E1F bg[PRELIGHT] = shade(2.0, #432E1F) bg[ACTIVE] = shade(1.5, #432E1F) bg[SELECTED] = shade(2.0,#432E1F) bg_pixmap[NORMAL] = panel/panel_bg.svg } # #THESE DECLARATIONS MAKE SURE THE PANEL STILL USES PANEL STYLE # widget *PanelWidget* style panel widget *PanelApplet* style panel widget *fast-user-switch* style panel class PanelApp* style panel class PanelToplevel* style panel widget_class *Mail* style panel widget_class *notif* style panel widget_class *Notif* style panel # @author:dilomo@ cpu-frequency applet was with dark text. Fix it. widget_class *FreqApplet* style panel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient. The latest versions are always at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme -Rico S. Kido Mariano wrote: I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Dust-theme-implementation-tp19116621p19256483.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //
Re: min-max-close buttons: They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However, they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved? Best regards, Rico Mr.doob wrote: i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public' appreciation of the Dust theme mockups: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/ http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116 both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200 comments. there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust is a direction worth following. the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg cheers! -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com Hello hello! New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the conversation, which is something arguable). Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it works Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I would really like to see something along those lines on the default wallpaper, did you do it? Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put two links to illustrate my point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well. Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653 Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available. That's it by now. Cheers! -- Mr.doob http://mrdoob.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/---wider-opinion-of-Dust-theme-from-Ubuntu-userstp19210298p19256503.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В 09:44 -0400 на 01.09.2008 (пн), Ken Vermette написа: Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust Thanks for any help! About the second one - I'm having problems with this too and right now it is impossible to solve it. About the buttons : see the attachment. I just used the old code from New Wave when it was based on clearlooks. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The different background on the applications/places/system doesn't look bad, it just wasn't the original intent. Great job on the panel buttons though! Looks much slicker! I'm toiling away on the Metacity theme (I'm winging half of this stuff, so I'm a bit slower than I should be). Anywho, if you want to run rampant and go though the GTK, there's some other known bugs posted on the Wiki - you seem to know more of what you're doing, and it would be much appreciated since I have about 4 things on the go. ;) Great stuff! Thank you! -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient. The latest versions are always at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme -Rico S. Kido Mariano wrote: I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Dust-theme-implementation-tp19116621p19256483.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I also read about your firefox issue. I found a fix in the SlickneSS theme involving userchrome.css; It should be in the Kin Dust theme, just replace the text colour in the file (bottom of file) with whatever colour you want. For the menubar, if you use a pixmap, you can just use an image with any gradient you want. I reccoment SVG for excellent scaling. I can get more detailed on these, but I really just reccomend downloading a could other themes with the sttributes you need, and then borrowing code. Kin Didymous has very similar features (It was inspired by Dust) so it has almost everythig you're already looking for. Mind you, it's kind of sloppily coded right now... (GTK / Userchrome.css, I think) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=Human-Didymous.tar.gz -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Ken Vermette wrote: Something like this? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png Very nice sir. Lets see what Ken W. thinks. :) He also has alt Oxygen folders that weren't used. They might spark some ideas. My plan is to issue a couple more challenges like this then reveal my overall plan. :P -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom glow on the human folders. Ken W. might be able to explain it more. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Something like this? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Nice solution. But, doesn't the shadow being that close to the glow looks weird? Like, where is that glow coming from? why the light is creating that glow in the folder isn't affecting the shadow too? -- Mr.doob -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Mr.doob wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 4:20 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:18 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok I didn't want to put any more rules on this but one thing we want to capture if we hope to go for default is to try to capture that bottom glow on the human folders. Ken W. might be able to explain it more. -Cory K. Something like this? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png -- -Ken Vermette Nice solution. But, doesn't the shadow being that close to the glow looks weird? Like, where is that glow coming from? why the light is creating that glow in the folder isn't affecting the shadow too? -- Mr.doob I think some things can come down to artistic license. Certainly if we try for a set we will aim for consistency. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] introduction
I have no official position whatsoever, so don't take my word for this. But it would be nice if ubuntu-art.org had a section for 8.10 artwork discussion - where artists could upload their work and get user feedback. Similar to this list, but I suppose that would get a lot more coverage. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Icon management (was: introduction)
On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 15:01 +0200, Frank Karlitschek wrote: Hi, I would like to introduce myself. I´m running the openDesktop.org network with for example GNOME-Look.org, Ubuntu-Art.org and Kubuntu- Art.org. Hi and welcome! Thank you for the work you are already doing, it's so easy to just take what is there as given without thinking about the people behind it :) If you need for example a place for uploading your artwork or functionality to discuss or vote on something I would be glad to help you. Well, just today I had to think about how the process of creating and maintaining icon themes could be improved. I know the following is quite a big step past upload and voting features, but since you asked ... ;) = Icon management website = A central site where registered members can: - Upload or link sketches and reference material for icons and have them associated with said icons - Upload icon sources as .svg and .xcf. Both 1 icon per file and sheets with several sizes in one file should be supported - View and compare different sets of icons - Track licensing, contributors and projects using the icons - Step through revisions - Manage conflicting edits - See diffs between svg sources and pixel-edited final images - Add comments and annotations (= comment with pointer) - Filter comments and annotations for users and groups - Manage access rights for users and groups - See the necessary commands to checkout or update specific icons or sets - Even better: Freely create, checkout and update icon sheets - Have screenshots generated with new icons in place It doesn't have to be all that at once, every step in this direction would be nice. This should obviously be a huge boon for everyone working on icons and shouldn't be restricted to Ubuntu. Especially with comparing different icon sets as one of the features. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
Ken Vermette schrieb: Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. I used a TRANSPARENT MENUBAR on the panel when i created a pixmap theme with inverted panels. i know that most themes just have the same image file for both the menubar and the panel itself, but that can get messy because the panel and the menubar have different resizing behaviors (due to panel theming restrictions). i guess the transparency solution can be used for other panel stuff like applets as well. so here it is (sorry for the weird layout, this is an old one): style panel = default-inverted { xthickness = 0 ythickness = 0 bg_pixmap[NORMAL]=panel.png#unfortunately this is the only way we can get a pixmap to be the panel bg } # style panel-menubar = default-inverted { engine pixmap { image { function= BOX file= transparent.png#transparent menubar to let the panel look through, this could also be used for panel applets border= { 0, 0, 0, 0 } stretch= TRUE } }} style panel-menubar-item = default-inverted { engine pixmap { image { function= BOX file= panel-button-in_prelight.png#selected menubar item will look like a pressed panel button border= { 5, 5, 5, 5 } stretch= TRUE } }} # style panel-button = default-inverted { xthickness = 2 engine pixmap { image { function= BOX state= NORMAL file= panel-button-out.png border = { 5, 5, 5, 5 } stretch = TRUE } image { function= BOX shadow = OUT state= PRELIGHT file= panel-button-out_prelight.png border = { 5, 5, 5, 5 } stretch = TRUE } image { function= BOX state= ACTIVE file= panel-button-in.png border = { 5, 5, 5, 5 } stretch = TRUE } image { function= BOX shadow = IN state= PRELIGHT file= panel-button-in_prelight.png border = { 5, 5, 5, 5 } stretch = TRUE } }} # # # widget_class *PanelToplevel*style panel widget_class *PanelToplevel*GtkButton*style panel-button #the brackets ensure that not only strictly GtkButton is affected, but also e.g.GtkToggleButton widget_class *PanelToplevel*MenuBarstyle panel-menubar #panel menubar should look different from menubar in a window widget_class *PanelToplevel*MenuBar.*style panel-menubar-item#panel menubar should look different from menubar in a window -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] theme teams
Hi all, Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can install and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest version or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and put it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid theme choosen ?
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:44:46 Patrice Vetsel wrote: I don't know where to find the information, but is the final theme for Intrepid choosen ? I hope to test it and report bug/problem as soon as possible. No, it has not been chosen yet. Once everything is final I will be sure to announce it. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:19:26 Andreas Berger wrote: the layout from my previous mail turned out even more twisted than in my preview. so this time an attachment. sorry for the mess. I suggest staying away from the panel transparency as it doesn't work with all applets (some will still have an opaque bg). Maybe one day we will get real rgba support going across gtk and the panel and system-tray :-/ -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Kenneth Wimer wrote: Ken Vermette wrote: Something like this? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example.png Hi all, I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps things within the bounds of possibility. Agreed. I'm hoping to stimulate ideas now and refine later. Making changes to accommodate these various sizes. I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for Oxygen a couple of years ago and post them to the list. Cool. Maybe they can stir some other ideas. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams
On Monday 01 September 2008 18:40:42 Kenneth Wimer wrote: Hi all, Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can install and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest version or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and put it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit. Perhaps I should explain what this really means :-) https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive is the url for my PPA. A PPA (Personal Package Archive) is a place in which I put source code and it gets automatically compiled and is then available for others in an easy fashion. What that means is that if you add these as sources in Synaptic Package Manager... deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main ...you'll be able to install the packages and see when they get updated. 1) start synaptic (System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manager) 2) enter password 3) Synaptic opens, add the repository in Settings-Repositories-Third Party Software, click on the Add button at the bottom left Naturally you can also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo rights and then apt-get update to have it check for new packages on the command line. If I have missed anything or anything is confusing feel free to ask for help. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
Kenneth Wimer schrieb: On Monday 01 September 2008 18:19:26 Andreas Berger wrote: the layout from my previous mail turned out even more twisted than in my preview. so this time an attachment. sorry for the mess. I suggest staying away from the panel transparency as it doesn't work with all applets (some will still have an opaque bg). Maybe one day we will get real rgba support going across gtk and the panel and system-tray :-/ -- Ken my post was not about panel transparency. the panel in my example is not transparent at all, i simply provided a solution for the panel-menubar (=Application-Places-System) to be consistent with the panel by making the *menubar* transparent with an empty pixmap (the whole thing only applies to pixmap themes). this solution is more accurate than using the same image for both because of the different resizing modes that i mentioned in my previous post. that was what Ken Vermette asked for, i think. hope that explains. by the way, does anyone know another solution? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 3:58 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm at the beginning stages of a new icon set effort for Ubuntu. But I have a little question in the meantime. Answer this: http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8752/dreamfolderyu0.png Consider it an exercise. :) I did this years ago :) http://mailforwho.googlepages.com/DapperFolderPreview.png I think some of those are still sort of relevant... Old discussion: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2006-May/001352.html -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Dust + Willibex
Hi everybody! I made a different emerald theme using Kin Dust emerald theme found on the wiki, and i edited it to fit willibex theme, that was one of the discussed themes few weeks ago, if i remember correctly. I modified willibex theme too, changing the background from brown-yellow colours to white. The result is nice, in my opinion. Just a more greyish theme that's just easier for the eyes than the brown-orange colours, keeping elegance of Dust and the amazing willwill mockup essence. Obviously it's still in developing. Here's the link to the images: http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3211/2819448312_656a92ef01_o.png http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3153/2818600731_fc5cfba2a9_o.png http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3003/2819446872_d7ffcde849_o.png http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3194/2819446032_087e2380c1_o.png Here's the link to the original willibex theme: http://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/willibex?content=86844 What do you think about? Cheers! Mario -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Re: min-max-close buttons: They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However, they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved? Best regards, Rico Mr.doob wrote: i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public' appreciation of the Dust theme mockups: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/ http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116 both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200 comments. there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust is a direction worth following. the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg cheers! -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com Hello hello! New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the conversation, which is something arguable). Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it works Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I would really like to see something along those lines on the default wallpaper, did you do it? Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put two links to illustrate my point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well. Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653 Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available. That's it by now. Cheers! -- Mr.doob http://mrdoob.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/---wider-opinion-of-Dust-theme-from-Ubuntu-userstp19210298p19256503.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something that looks fresh and fun, I do love that ibex wallpaper, it is amazing. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jesper Lundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Re: min-max-close buttons: They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However, they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved? Best regards, Rico Mr.doob wrote: i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public' appreciation of the Dust theme mockups: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/ http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116 both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200 comments. there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust is a direction worth following. the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg cheers! -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com Hello hello! New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the conversation, which is something arguable). Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it works Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I would really like to see something along those lines on the default wallpaper, did you do it? Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put two links to illustrate my point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well. Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653 Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available. That's it by now. Cheers! -- Mr.doob http://mrdoob.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/---wider-opinion-of-Dust-theme-from-Ubuntu-userstp19210298p19256503.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something that looks fresh and fun, I do love that ibex wallpaper, it is amazing. I like the new version Dust-2. I am using it on my laptop right now and many of my friends actually asked me what it is. Nobody has likened it to OS-X or Vista yet! One thing I noticed, I'm not sure if its native to firefox, but when you right click on the toolbar you get a menu with two checkboxes. The text beside the checkbox is spaced far too close. -Arjuna -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] // wider opinion of Dust theme from Ubuntu users //
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 8:13 PM, Arjuna Navaratna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:56 PM, Jesper Lundgren [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Re: min-max-close buttons: They're a bit fixed on the Dust-2 attachment in the wiki page. However, they're still not proper min-max-close buttons. Gotta make better ones... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Btw, I did the wallpaper (and the Dust concepts). I'm glad someone likes it :) Any more feedback on how Dust can be improved? Best regards, Rico Mr.doob wrote: i thought it's perhaps worth drawing attention to the 'public' appreciation of the Dust theme mockups: http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/12479/ http://www.lunduke.com/?p=116 both of the above URL's had around 1.5k diggs and no less than 200 comments. there is some worthy criticism/commentary in those threads. clearly Dust is a direction worth following. the first mockup didn't grab me all that much but this is certainly going places, save perhaps the folder icons themselves (which look a little stale, IMO. maybe it's that the grey in the 'dusty' window BG is pulling in the grey from the folders too much, flattening them out): https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ibexconcept.jpg cheers! -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com Hello hello! New guy on the block, take it as my presentation email. I doubt I'll be able to start helping for this cycle, but I'll try to give it a hand wherever I can. I wonder if someone could point me in the right direction in order to get started on this? Like an app to build your own theme? Btw... I'll try to don't top-post, but I think you guys should consider if it's really worth the rule (I'm not aware of the logic behind it, I guess it's because it's easier to follow the conversation, which is something arguable). Ok, neither I know how can I reply to an email that was sent to the list BEFORE I subscribed to it, so I'll try faking it, hope it works Julian, first of all, it's great to see guys like you (amazing projects) around here, and second... that wallpaper is brilliant! I would really like to see something along those lines on the default wallpaper, did you do it? Also, whoever is working on this Dust theme, maybe you should be careful on how much margin/padding the top/right panel has. I'll put two links to illustrate my point: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=ubuntudust.jpg https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=dust-color-1b.png The original mock-up had the close button nicely aligned with the corner of the window. The working theme didn't follow that and it looks a bit messy. Apart from that, I think it can work very well. Just for the laughs (or hates), I'm right now using this theme: http://www.ubuntu-art.org/content/show.php/KDE4+Oxygen+new+port+for+GNOME?content=86653 Which I guess I'll keep using until something like Dust is available. That's it by now. Cheers! -- Mr.doob http://mrdoob.com -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/---wider-opinion-of-Dust-theme-from-Ubuntu-userstp19210298p19256503.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I like the dust theme very much, but as mentioned in the wiki it might be too dark. using a dark theme on a laptop with screen brightness on low is not so nice and laptops are clearly something to consider. Personally i think having a bit more colour full theme wouldn't hurt ubuntu, something that looks fresh and fun, I do love that ibex wallpaper, it is amazing. I like the new version Dust-2. I am using it on my laptop right now and many of my friends actually asked me what it is. Nobody has likened it to OS-X or Vista yet! One thing I noticed, I'm not sure if its native to firefox, but when you right click on the toolbar you get a menu with two checkboxes. The text beside the checkbox is spaced far too close. -Arjuna Quick question. You mentioned that you're still undecided with the min/max/close buttons. Well the 'embossed' look in dust-2 isn't bad if you can apply it to min and max as well. I was wondering if it is possible to implement the one in the pidgin buddy list screenshot on the wiki? -Arjuna -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps things within the bounds of possibility. I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for Oxygen a couple of years ago and post them to the list. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more visually appropriate. Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless they are there. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 9:21 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps things within the bounds of possibility. I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for Oxygen a couple of years ago and post them to the list. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more visually appropriate. Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless they are there. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I like that a lot. If we can flip the folder around so the top lip thing is in the left, the thumbnails will be much more visible. Another option would be to put the thumbnail on top and add a drop shadow... if the transparency thing doesn't work. -- David Mikucki -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
Ken Vermette wrote: On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps things within the bounds of possibility. I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for Oxygen a couple of years ago and post them to the list. -- Ken As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more visually appropriate. Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless they are there. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png -- -Ken Vermette Wow man. Top notch. I might have to get my plan in place faster than I thought. :) Lets see what Ken W. thinks. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] theme teams
Hi Ken, How useful! Should be ping you in case of any updates to our themes? :) -Rico Kenneth Wimer-5 wrote: On Monday 01 September 2008 18:40:42 Kenneth Wimer wrote: Hi all, Today I put Kin, Dust, and New Wave into my PPA so that people can install and test them. Please, don't flip out if it is not the very latest version or such; I simply picked the latest stuff I could find on the wiki and put it in. I'll modify this as needed once we have discussed it a bit. Perhaps I should explain what this really means :-) https://launchpad.net/~kwwii/+archive is the url for my PPA. A PPA (Personal Package Archive) is a place in which I put source code and it gets automatically compiled and is then available for others in an easy fashion. What that means is that if you add these as sources in Synaptic Package Manager... deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/kwwii/ubuntu hardy main ...you'll be able to install the packages and see when they get updated. 1) start synaptic (System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manager) 2) enter password 3) Synaptic opens, add the repository in Settings-Repositories-Third Party Software, click on the Add button at the bottom left Naturally you can also just edit /etc/apt/sources.list with sudo rights and then apt-get update to have it check for new packages on the command line. If I have missed anything or anything is confusing feel free to ask for help. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/theme-teams-tp19257600p19264044.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Tossing some Window decorations into the pot.
Hey! The things I'm not sure about here are: - The orange glow. I like the idea of a different-colored shadow, but if it appears as a glow against certian backgrounds, it seems inconsistent and a bit cheesy. - The min/max/close buttons. I'm not sure if it's too big or if the borders tick me off... But on the other hand, I do love the simplicity of it. Having that 1px highlight was classy and spot-on. Cheers, -Rico xl cheese wrote: I created matching metacity and emerald themes. Based on the Union concept for Hardy, but are taylored to be dark. They may fit in well with all the dark/light hybird themes floating around. Get 'em here: (*Quality* feedback would be appreciated. :) ) Screenshot of the Metacity: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=xl_dark_alt_metacity.jpg Metacity download: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=xl_cheeselooks_DarkAlt.tar.gz Screenshot of Emerald: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=xl_darknew.jpg Emerald download: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/xl_cheeselooks...?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=87877-xl_dark.emerald.tar.gz Now if someone can tell me how to make the close button in metacity wider than the other buttons I'd be a happy camper. Also, this patch here may be extremely useful on a theme with merged menubar and window decoration. Heck, it'd be useful on any theme. I haven't been able to make it work tho. I'm hoping more of us will ask for it to be dumped into upstream. So if you like the idea then comment on the bug please. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=500437 _ Get ideas on sharing photos from people like you. Find new ways to share. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/photogallery/posts?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Photo_Gallery_082008 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tossing-some-Window-decorations-into-the-pot.-tp19236483p19264081.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art