Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu DVD Packaging Artwork
On 02/10/2011 09:50 PM, Pumpkin Lord wrote: http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/8550/ubuntuuniversalorby.png Interesting layout. Setting ubuntu in bold shows as much sensibility as a boxing glove, both regarding the impression as such, but also regarding respecting the visual identity of Ubuntu and the work put into it by the design team and Dalton Maag. The wide tracking used on linux for Human beings and www.ubuntu.com is brutal, too. The first string mentioned also has irregular kerning (li n ux). The 3 bullet point items on the backside dance around way too much. Centered text combined with bullet points is rarely a good idea. The big ubuntu box is close to being lined up with the small boxes on the spine area, but not quite. This makes that part of the layout appear random. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu DVD Packaging Artwork
On 02/11/2011 10:04 AM, Pumpkin Lord wrote: I think this artwork sum up everything I think about your feedback: http://theal.deviantart.com/art/Opinion-not-Fact-194945734?q=gallery%3Atheal%2F7848059qo=1 You're response was acceptable until that point. That statement is both true and incredibly dumb. We're dealing with perception and culture, not with mathematic logic here, so you can tag as much with opinion as you feel like. Does that help anyone getting anything anywhere? Would you feel better if I sugar up my words with in my eyes, in my opinion, i think ... ? (I sometimes do, but tend not to, if I'm damn sure) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase
On 01/25/2011 12:27 PM, óÅÒÇÅÊ wrote: I saw John Baer's proposal linked to it somewhere (and it seems reasonable to me, but I'm sure it's better to discuss that specification with Iain Farrell first). John does not care or manage to sync his efforts with the Design Team or the rest of us, so you may take it as it is, but don't wait for any coordination to happen. The other one is Free Culture Showcase, which requires submissions to be freedom-themed. It's probably OK to have two different wallpaper contests if they have such a different rules and themes, but that must be clearly stated in the projects list at least. After a quick check with Iain and Ivanka: It shall be photos and drawings for the Showcase, not (necessarily) wallpaper format. Iain will update the Showcase wiki page. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork/Tasks vs Artwork/Specs
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 20:09 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 10:35 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: Hi! Having both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs is bad, as keeping them up to date would be a waste of time. One should go. I originally added the Tasks page to list what is now at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/TasksOld +1 With one voice of support and no opposition, I went and restored https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks to what it was meant to be initially. The Projects link in our header now points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs I also removed the different header used at Specs and all sub-pages. I was tempted to remove the smilies. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground Explained
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:53 +0300, Сергей wrote: Excellent, thank you. With your permission, I would like to add this to Backtestground, under GPLv3 like the rest, clearly identifying you as the author of this file. No problem! Turned it into Python to make the h,v,f,o flags available and added you to AUTHORS. Included with v0.4: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/23/backtestground-0-4-context-extraction-automated/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground Explained
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 00:14 +0300, Сергей wrote: I wrote a small shell script which does it all automatically. After running it waits for 3 seconds, then does all described actions for extract-background-context command, restores your previous settings and cleans up the temporary screenshots. Excellent, thank you. With your permission, I would like to add this to Backtestground, under GPLv3 like the rest, clearly identifying you as the author of this file. One issue, though: the rm on_white.png on_black.png does not work (and I have not the slightest clue why). It works only for GNOME, can be ported to other DEs if anyone tells me how to change wallpapers there. That's the reason I didn't take care of it, sticking to the part that works in any case ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground Explained
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 12:53 +0300, Сергей wrote: I think it happens because extract-background-context script doesn't return an exit code indicating success. You should make sys.exit(0) the last operation of your script to inform other scripts that the context was extracted successfully. That made no difference, though I guess I should use sys.exit, anyway. which 'extract-background-context' extract-background-context on_white.png on_black.png; rm on_white.png on_black.png || echo Sorry, you don't have backtestground installed /dev/stderr exit 1 , note the ; rm on_white.png on_black.png makes it work. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground Explained
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 14:05 +0300, Сергей wrote: Try this version, it's more structured. Leaves no images behind, but: $: ./auto-extract-context starting in 3 seconds 3 2 1 Reverting your settings /usr/local/bin/extract-background-context Backtestground returned an error $:~/Desktop/test$ usage: extract-background-context [-h] [-v] [-o path/filename] [-f] on_white on_shadow-color extract-background-context: error: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: 'on_white.png' I tested the part before if which 'extract-background-context' separately and it works. Proceeded to test parts of the rest via pasting to the shell: which 'extract-background-context' prints the path as expected. extract-background-context on_white.png on_black.png ! echo 'Backtestground returned an error' Then does execute extract-background-context successfully, but also prints 'Backtestground returned an error'. Perhaps I will rewrite this as Python script. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Icon for LibreCAD (future CAD program in Edubuntu/Ubuntu)
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 17:54 -0500, Scott Howard wrote: www.librecad.org is running a design contest for their logos. Information is on their site. We're looking for a standard freedesktop.org icon (.svg preferred). It's sad this is being framed as a contest. Would you do a coding contest, too, without defining requirements and to then throw away all but one submission? Please read: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/11/20/on-design-contests-in-floss/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Video Animations
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 14:10 +1000, Alexander King wrote: i would have to say the tools are quite off putting .Most students are taught to use the adobe master collection so switching to inkscape, its hard to find the same tools they use in illustrator. I do understand that learning to use a specific tool is an investment and that there can easily be a lack of time and motivation to learn another one for the same tasks. That said, if a piece of Free Software mimics a commercial application, people say: those people have no ideas of their own and why should anyone bother with a copy, if you can have the original? If a piece of Free Software does not mimic a commercial application, we get reactions like yours. Personally, I started in vector graphics with Freehand, used CorelDraw when I had no other option at home, experimented with Illustrator and now I use Inkscape (also: QuarkXPress/Indesign/Scribus, Photoshop/Gimp ...). I think it's sad when people can't look through the tool to see the concepts. Even more sad when some folks mix up tool and area of work (Photoshop vs digital image manipulation). blender has a good idea where you can change the input to match maya so if your new to blender you still now the basics. That's a trap, actually. You learn to use something that is neither Maya, nor Blender. Instead of at least a serious attempt at consistency, you get to live in a bubble. all im asking is something like workplaces where your panels are arranged in layouts which you can load and save them and have one simpler to illustrator. or even like education about the programs http://en.flossmanuals.net/Inkscape http://inkscape.org/doc/index.php -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Video Animations
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 21:30 +1000, alexanderddking wrote: I wasn't asking for replication so calm down There's no need for me to calm down, as I was perfectly at ease, but maybe there is for you. It's often a mistake to try to read implicit emotion out of text messages. I tried to offer context, a glimpse at the other side to what you brought up, in the hope you might understand why the solution won't happen or be that simple. I was just saying a more friend setup to start with, when I open Gimp or libre office I know where most of the tools are there and easy to find and I didn't have to look up a Manual. Knowing the concept behind the tool is fine but if you don't know how to recreate that concept because you can 't find similar tools, it's not helpful If you say more friendly setup, doesn't that mean one that seems familiar to those who used a certain other application before? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Backtestground Explained
Hi! Shedding some light on how the Backtestground tools are meant to be used: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/20/backtestground-explained/ Now I would like to see context images (maybe tarballs with several resolutions) for Xubuntu, Edubuntu ... to have the material needed to better evaluate wallpaper submissions. These resources should be added to the specs. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground 0.2
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 22:20 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/backtestground-0-2/ In case you tried it and it didn't work at all: I fixed 2 issues today, making it a 0.3 now. The PPA should update automatically, of course. Maybe some day I will learn how to test my software properly, before announcing a release :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] 3 community wallpapers will be included in Natty
On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 12:09 +0300, Сергей wrote: On the other hand, artists willing to contribute probably will start looking for possible tasks from that page. It's kinda weird to have the info about wallpaper contests for most derivatives and not mention the Ubuntu contest. Well, the Flickr pool is mentioned at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork#Places and this is on the same level. Feel encouraged to add a note there. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Artwork/Tasks vs Artwork/Specs
Hi! Having both https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs is bad, as keeping them up to date would be a waste of time. One should go. I originally added the Tasks page to list what is now at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/TasksOld -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Backtestground 0.2
Hi! The collection of templates and tools for designing and evaluating wallpapers goes into the second round, this time with a proper release, PPA, tarball, man pages. Read more at: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2011/01/15/backtestground-0-2/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Xubuntu Blender Wallpapers
Hi! There's some activity at http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205084page=1 Help with providing feedback and guidance appreciated, especially from members of the Xubuntu team. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Checking Flickr Wallpaper Pools
Hi again! The pools are growing: http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-6/ http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-7 http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-8 Attention: you get to see more images, if you log into Flickr (currently 3 more for Edubuntu, 6 for Xubuntu and 1 for Lubuntu)! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Do you have good links to the Blender, Processing or a particular artwork community?
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 11:34 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: I think we should invite users of Blender, Processing and any other free/open graphics applications and generative tools. Same for members of communities centering on illustration/drawing/photography. Please help with this, especially if you have a standing in a particular community. I had a really hard time to find places not covered by someone else already, but managed to find a few! ;p For Blender: http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205083 http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?t=205084 For Processing: http://forum.processing.org/#Topic/2508000572055 http://forum.processing.org/#Topic/2508000572064 Our forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1650127 -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Software Center Design Proposal
On Tue, 2010-12-21 at 23:07 +0300, Сергей wrote: Concepts going beyond visual design into functionality are better handled by the Ayatana projecthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Ayatana This is explicitly on our task list and it's all about visual design. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Newest Member
On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 05:29 -0500, John Baer wrote: http://www.flickr.com/groups/uawt-6/ Please join me in welcoming Vlad Gerasimov to the team. Vlad: Welcome! The Letter Eater is an awesome concept. Given the subject matter and audience, I would not persist on technically correct perspective. But the current state makes me wish for either a more stylized and loose, or a more realistic depiction of the animal. The book establishing a strong perspective and the nice fur texture push this into a more realistic direction. The glasses are clearly intentionally cartoony, which is OK, even given the strong contrast. What I think is not satisfying are the feet and the way it stands on the page. I would look for, or create, a reference to get that right. Does anybody reading here happen to have an anteater figure or happen to have some clay or any other suitable material to create one? A photo of such a figure on a book arranged to match the illustration would great. Thanks! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] How to get off the list
On Thu, 2010-12-16 at 14:31 +0200, giannhs qwertyuiop wrote: i want to stop this ubuntu mail.. Go to: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Click the Unsubscribe or edit options button. Enter your address and password, Login, then you can Unsubscribe. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A Personal Appeal for Change (2nd request)
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 18:38 -0500, John Baer wrote: Vish, Again, with respect and without malice I am asking that you please stop deleting Wiki content and restore the content you removed. Once again, your proposal is still there, only at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBaer/Specs/Alternate_Natty_Wallpapers As long as you point to 5 different Flickr groups (that you all created already, without any discussion), that page has no place in the Artwork section. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Do you have good links to the Blender, Processing or a particular artwork community?
Hi! I just posted about the Edubuntu and Xubuntu wallpaper thing. This will appear on Planet Ubuntu: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/14/designing-wallpapers-for-edubuntu-and-xubuntu/ (I mentioned Lubuntu as often as I received replies to my last mail in that matter) I think we should invite users of Blender, Processing and any other free/open graphics applications and generative tools. Same for members of communities centering on illustration/drawing/photography. Please help with this, especially if you have a standing in a particular community. Go there, write an announcement/invitation in the appropriate place and manner. Act as point of contact. Tell us about your activity. If people have a problem with Flickr, make sure submissions are still collected in one place and we know about it. Few will care about Xubuntu and Edubuntu, but creating images that convey the desired message is an interesting challenge. That's the angle to sell this on. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 09:48 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: If we are to have illustration wallpapers, let me throw this up: lets make a smaller pool of illustrative artwork, and yes, moderate it ourselves. But at the end of this cycle lets put up a community-illustration-wallpapers package out on the repos. This has the added benefit of testing: 1. seeing how many quality submissions there are. 1.1 this may mean (collective groaning) looking through DA group. and convincing those artists to contribute. 2. seeing if official ubuntu is interested. 2.1 if yes, then they can take over moderating the next cycle 2.2 if no, then the least they can do is throw up a blog post (3.1) 3. seeing if we as a team can get enough people to actually install our packages. 3.1 whether we can drum up some publicity for this package 4. if it all goes down the crapper, then we are left with a few good submissions for the community wallpaper package. I'm not opposed to a single pool for non-photo wallpapers, if you are that eager, but please not several. I would also lean towards keeping it open, that is: not tied to a release. I still think ending up with a choice of quality wallpapers for Edubuntu and Xubuntu will be a step forward, already. I expect that at least one person (ideally at least 2, one as fallback), volunteers for packaging beforehand. If no one takes ownership, you can forget it. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal
On Sun, 2010-12-12 at 11:44 -0500, John Baer wrote: The proposal is to create graphic designs to be used as alternate Ubuntu wallpapers for the Natty release. It is important to remember this is a proposal which means this effort may or may not be endorsed by the Canonical Design Team. I suppose you mean to say that this hasn't been discussed with any member of the Canonical Design Team? IMO if we do this right this will be a big win for the team and probably our only chance to contribute wallpapers to the Ubuntu Natty release. So far the *only chance* has been http://www.flickr.com/groups/ubuntu-artwork/pool/ (It is not restricted to photos) I would feel much better about it, if submissions following your proposal would be added to that pool, instead of separate pools that will likely be ignored. Vish is so not amused by how you go about this, that he moved the spec to: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JohnBaer/Specs/Alternate_Natty_Wallpapers with a comments on the change: Personal interest task removed, not yet accepted as a task for the Artwork team. Moving it to John's namespace [JohnBaer/Specs/Alternate_Natty_Wallpapers ] , pending discussion. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 11:27 -0500, John Baer wrote: On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 7:42 AM, Vishnoo v...@ubuntu.com wrote: AFAIK in the past all of the alternate wallpapers come as photo's from the Ubuntu Flickr group noted above. My proposal is to open this up for illustrations. It *is* open for illustrations. IMO if we do this right this will be a big win for the team and probably our only chance to contribute wallpapers to the Ubuntu Natty release. Nope, as i mentioned above the additional wallpapers are from community submissions. I'm unclear of your message here? He refers to the only chance. Just like I said, the Flickr pool plays that role. I have a problem with this. The desire is to discuss the idea and I believe I clearly stated this is a proposal and defined what that meant. If the Team decides this is a bad idea and we should not go there I will certainly support it. However, I was not aware of your authority to move content around to meet your personal needs. I take issue with your claim that Vish moved the page to meet his *personal needs*. I think Vish has a point regarding the need to mark a proposal as such, to kept it apart from accepted specs. Having successive numbers for accepted specs is nice, too. Once it is clear what this task is about, we can add it to the board. Again, who will make that decision and how will it be executed ( poll ) ? I'm against the part of your proposal that specifies separate Flickr pools. Except if Ivanka agrees to have the jury look there, too (I doubt it). Either you react accordingly, or we will have to find out, who fellow artwork contributors would prefer to make final decisions for the team. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Alternate Natty Wallpaper Proposal
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 12:00 -0500, John Baer wrote: Correct as proposals are ideas which spring from this community. :D If Canonical has an opinion or a suggestion I would love to hear it as my desire is to add value. My experience tells me that every time you want or need input or a decision from within Canonical, you likely have a problem. As approachable and nice as many of the people are, everyone is always very busy and the lines of communication are not always clear. That's why I'm optimistic regarding artwork for Xubuntu and Edubuntu, but not for anything targeting Ubuntu, the product. I do not know as this is the only type of submission posted. In addition, I am unaware if there is any guidance in the form of a spec or briefing to assist with content. If I tell you that the pool is open for non-photos, too, you can just believe me. That few are aware of this is a problem. Simply having illustrations appear there could help a bit. There is no guidance. Nothing from this list or our wiki is likely to reach the large majority of submitters. I am on the fence with this and your advice is very much appreciated. My concern is the the volume (viz. 5750 photo's to ? illustrations ) and no way to identify effort (viz. intrepid vs maverick vs natty ). A valid concern. You need to identify the submissions that follow the spec, perhaps keep a list of them. Having the submissions among the competition, dwarfed by the number of photos, will help to be realistic about it. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] My wallpaper submissions
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 13:44 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: Xubuntu wallpapers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/522424/in/pool-1546...@n20/ Very interesting concept. Varying aspect ratios and panels might be a problem, so you might want to reconsider the composition. Despite paper planes, the dark blue makes this feel rather heavy. http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/5227565853/in/pool-1546...@n20/ Try a lighter color, maybe even lighter than the background, for the balloons. That gray is too harsh. Be aware of: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0b/Bureau_GNOME_Fedora_7.png http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork/FC7Themes/Fc7ThemeProposalFlyingHighRound2 http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/5237359494/in/pool-1546...@n20/ Your lighthouse emits a cone of shadow? http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/5247055287/in/pool-1546...@n20/ Fun. Consider a more stylized figure. Edubuntu wallpapers: http://www.flickr.com/photos/leogg/5227980505/in/pool-1595...@n22/ The astronaut feels like a random addition to me. If you want to keep him or her, consider to unify the style with the one of the tree and planet. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Xubuntu Context
On Fri, 2010-12-10 at 00:00 +0100, Simon Steinbeiß wrote: Hi everyone, I'm currently working on the theme for Natty (links and some info to be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Artwork/Natty). (...) First I think that it would be helpful to have some palette, even if only for inspiration. I have worked on the palette for greybird for some time, I wouldn't say it's written in stone, but I don't think I'd like to change it drastically. Up to now I've only gotten very little specific feedback, so that would be one thing I'd appreciate. Please be as specific as you can be, stuff like it looks dull isn't very helpful/constructive criticism :) I installed Xfce, the Greybird theme and Faenza-Xfce on my Ubuntu. I had to rename (hide) my ~/.gtkrc-2.0 to get rid of some leftovers of the Ambience theme in the panel and widget theme. I guess the panel might end up looking different in an Xubuntu install, but this is far as I will go to take screenshots, now. Using my background-context-extractor tool resulted in: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=xfce_greybird_2010-12-11_1280x1024_context_desktop.png https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=xfce_greybird_2010-12-11_1280x1024_context_desktop.png (Opening in a browser will not show that these have transparent background.) The icon labels on the desktop depend on the chosen background and the screenshot approach can't replicate this. Remember, we want to express high performance, the kind you get by making the most of what you have, lightweight and clever. The Greybird theme as is seems quite appropriate to me under this aspects. Its fairly neutral tones leave much room for the wallpaper. You could dare to use a more energetic color for selections, also increasing the contrast for the text of selected items. The step from the head (title and menu-bar) to the window background color is not nice. There should be either no visible step, or a clearly intended difference. The difference in contrast between focused window titles and menu text seems odd to me. Focused vs unfocused is a bit subtle. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec
De: Julien Lavergne gi...@ubuntu.com À: John Baer bae...@gmail.com Cc: mariobehl...@googlemail.com, 神癒礁湖 · Rafael Laguna rafaellag...@gmail.com Sujet: Re: Lubuntu Spec Date: Wed, 08 Dec 2010 20:05:00 +0100 About the pallet, do you check with Canonical if others colors are acceptable for a derivated of Ubuntu ? Last time we check, the pallet was limited, and we had to stay with this one (which IMO, is nice). Aside of not using the orange and aubergine in your logo or other prominent places, and avoiding a theme too similar to Ambiance/Radiance, I see absolutely not reason to assume limitations from tat side. You need also to consider that, if people propose a very different color for the wallpaper, we will not accept it, unless they propose an entire theme which match this submission. So, no need to spend time in submissions we will reject for sure. This statement is very disappointing. It implies wallpaper submissions would always be monochromatic. A choice of color is not a good starting point for your visual identity. Even less so if it's very close to what several other offerings in your realm are using. The main goal of your wallpaper and theme should be to further, or to at least be in line with, the goals and success of your project. This is graphic design, it's communication, it's your identity. No matter if you are conscious about it or not, especially the wallpaper has a message to tell. If you don't take control of it, this message will be: we don't care or we have no clue or we are insecure and chose something safe and boring. So what is the intended message of the wallpaper (and theme)? What do you want to say about Lubuntu? What is the emotion you want to provoke in your audience? The palette is a result, not a start. About the spec : - Introduction We have specific targets for our users, see our wiki page : Lubuntu is targeted at normal PC and laptop users running on low-spec hardware. Such users may not know how to use command line tools, and in most cases they just don't have enough resources for all the bells and whistles of the full-featured mainstream distributions. Just like Xubuntu. What sets you apart? - Inspiration: Well, our strategy for artwork is more practical : * We want a nice artwork ... * ... with no big requirement * ... which render good and fast That's not practical, that is not taking control, it's wallowing in arbitrariness. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Layout Examples for Book on Open Soure Publishing
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 13:45 -0700, Rob Oakes wrote: http://blog.oak-tree.us/index.php/2010/09/01/awesome-examples.) What you write about examples in books and quality issues with many free-software related offerings resonates with me. Free Software could do with more and more skilled design and artwork contributors. The path into free software development seems to be much clearer. I wanted to see if there are examples of promotional materials, newsletters, posters, or templates that might be appropriate to include in the book from the Ubuntu project? Perhaps http://www.behance.net/gallery/Getting-Started-with-Ubuntu-10_04-Title-Page/588233 http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/08/01/ubuntu-chicago-loco-t-shirt/ Any example of graphic communication (regardless of source) would be appropriate. I am more interested in inspiring and showing solid design principles than advertising for a particular product (even something as wonderful as open source). I can't hand out the few more recent examples of my layout work due to copyright and privacy concerns and the rest is just old and done with Quark Xpress. But have a look at the following. Might not be exactly what you're after, but all qualifies at least for being done with Inkscape: http://linuxaudio.org/files/music/1_front.png http://linuxaudio.org/files/music/1_case.png http://linuxaudio.org/files/music/1_label.png http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2009/02/18/identica-freemusic-group/ http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/11/09/mudlet-2/ http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2008/11/02/a-window-for-wubi/ http://www.behance.net/gallery/Bad-Business/481607 SVG sources available. In case illustrations done with GIMP are OK, too: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/03/09/design-in-collaborative-projects/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 18:52 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: Why dont we forget the ISO naming and just stick with something that is Human-readable? ;) The from big to small order is really not difficult to remember and handle. But currently I have my head elsewhere. Instead, for months we use Jan/Feb/Mar.../Dec . And yrs/dates are numerical /DD? Numerical dates are short and make calculations more obvious (or am I alone in having to translate month names to numbers in my mind first, where I don't have a direct mapping for all months, so need to count steps in some cases?) And then we would have the question which format using names, exactly? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground wallpaper templates and utilities
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 08:12 -0500, John Baer wrote: Got it! python sizes -o folder image.png Good thing you found that out. Currently you have to specify the output directory with -o, always. Sorry about that. Of course one also has to make sure the file permission allow execution. I updated my blog post accordingly. I have no clue why I didn't run into this problem, before. Did most of my testing with files installed via setup.py, but there should be no difference. Meanwhile, my PPA issue has been solved, thanks to the patience of Julian Edwards. I simply didn't import my GPG key and already having my SSH key there, using it with bzr all the time, made me think that would be it. But now I have to look into the -o issue, first. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended
On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 20:27 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: http://www.w3.org/International/questions/qa-date-format Since obviously option 1 has its pit-fall of not being international-friendly, let's go with option 2 : 1 February 2010 Or if we want to keep it short : 1 Feb 2010 / 2010, 1 Feb No mixed order, please. I'm not opposed to 1 February 2010. It won't be me going through all specs to adjust the format. If nobody does, 2010-01-01 will remain the standard. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Backtestground wallpaper templates and utilities
Fixed the bug in sizes where you had to specify -o or get an error. Get the updated file via this most beautiful link: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/% 7Et-w-/backtestground/backtestground/download/t_w_% 40freenet.de-20101208172633-fd3sdha0kgyc3a76/backtestground.py-20101129203610-2qs5uqs0470whggp-1/sizes Blog post edited accordingly http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/backtestground/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Debconf12 logo
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 02:39 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: Awesome job Thorsten, I love the debian swirl on the motmot. I hope you guys get debconf in Nicaragua! Thanks! :) Your swirl and flower concept is lovely, though it makes me think of an entirely different direction, geographically. As already discussed with Leandro, my draft will see a few changes and tweaks to finalize it. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo Submissions (Thorsten Wilms)
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 05:35 -0500, John Baer wrote: Thank you for offering your opinion but let's not judge or pre-judge submissions in this manner. I have my personal favorite as I am sure many on this list do. How could an opinion come without judgment? I don't care about personal favorites. I care about what the logo should say, that it does say it, that it shows craftsmanship in execution. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Artwork Team Logo Deadline Extended
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 07:47 -0500, John Baer wrote: The deadline to the new Artwork Team Logo project is extended to 2011-01-02 (...) I messed up the date on the wiki and just fixed that. Like I said earlier, 1st of February, so 2011-02-01. Sorry about that. Being the one to propose that ISO format, it had to me getting it wrong, of course :} -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Flickr permissions
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 07:47 -0500, John Baer wrote: Also, check your flickr permissions as I noticed some submissions are only viewable if I am logged into flickr. That's strange, as I get to see the same 22 images, no matter if I'm locked in, or not. (I kept wanting to ask you where the much higher number of submissions you mentioned came from.) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 16:56 +0300, Сергей wrote: By the way, where are LoCos in all this? They are supposed to handle language and cultural barriers, aren't they? Some LoCos do their own thing regarding artwork. That's fine and makes a lot of sense regarding language barriers and filling local needs, though doing it in a more visible way could make the Ubuntu artwork realm more attractive. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Language barrier for Participation
On Tue, 2010-12-07 at 11:01 -0600, Larissa Laricci wrote: I mean, I visited http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ and in my country, (méxico) there says tha México is not aproved, and I like to contribute in my area. Welcome, Larissa! The team not being approved (yet) doesn't have to stop you from getting in contact. You will then see for yourself how the team runs and who knows, maybe you can help to move it towards approval, if that is found to matter. The following wiki page might shed some light on what approval means: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeamHowto#Becoming%20an%20Approved%20Team Aside of that, consider to add your voice and contributions here, too, please :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Backtestground wallpaper templates and utilities
Hi! About wallpaper templates and 2 utilities: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/2010/12/07/backtestground/ These tools should help us with evaluating Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu wallpaper submissions. Please ask if anything is unclear and don't hesitate to suggest changes and additions to the given explanations. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec
On Sun, 2010-12-05 at 17:58 -0800, j_baer wrote: I updated the Lubuntu spec with modified content from Xubuntu. ( look @ the Inspiration :- ) Heh, lovely. But we need a serious way to differentiate Lubuntu from Xubuntu, or both can be handled with a single wallpaper collection ... -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Lubuntu Spec
On Mon, 2010-12-06 at 18:38 +0100, Julien Lavergne wrote: You can find more information about the artwork used for Lubuntu on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Marketing . It includes the actual palette of colors we used, and logos you can use. Well, that page shows some artwork, but no word about the reasoning and strategy behind it. We can help you developing it, but the core of it should come from you. Also, I don't think the Inspiration, and Palette sections are accurate for Lubuntu (but you already said it :)). If you can define why any single element doesn't seem appropriate, we might be a step further. And I don't understand what you mean in the TODO section. Is it something to add with the submission, or work to do for other specs ? The Todo with comments: * Define colors used in the panel, windows. Evaluate them in light of the intended message (lightness, performance). Suggest changes accordingly. # The wallpaper has to go well with the panels, some icons and the window theme. Before you start to design wallpapers accordingly, you should make sure these elements are as they should be. Note that it's also fine to start with the wallpaper, to then adjust everything else. But you have to plan your schedule accordingly. * Identify icons likely to appear on the desktop # The icons that will appear on the wallpaper. * Create templates that allow to see proposals in context # This one will become clearer once I manage to release a little utility and explain what it does. * Select associations and metaphors and work on literal or abstract takes on them. # In the Xubuntu case, we have a rather long and wide list and actually might want to eliminate some. A literal take on a cheetah, for example would be a recognizable depiction of such an animal on a photo or as illustration. An abstract take might just take a few cues from the appearance of a cheetah. Maybe just a single curve, bend in a characteristic way. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo Submissions
On Sat, 2010-12-04 at 16:30 -0800, j_baer wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/TeamLogoSubmissions In my eyes only #14 and #17 are acceptable. #14 needs a little tweaking. The elements should be a bit thicker, just slightly more robust. There should be an imaginary circle at the center. #17 would have to be reduced to just one shape for the 14 (and 16?) pixel size. Note that I don't think we should bother about 14 and 16 px sizes too much. Having a blob of color that does not look like just any other blob of color is already an achievement at that scale. #37 is a good concept, but the differing treatment of the straight lines seems odd. The thin lines mean scaling is no fun at all. #26 and especially #25 are attractive, but not clear enough in their relation to our realm. All the thick brushes seem clumsy. The few splattery approaches don't speak of planning and precision. While artistic gusto could come in as an aspect, it can't be the dominant feature. As far as I'm concerned we are still open for submissions until at least 1st of February. I just edited the spec to actually list the Launchpad icon sizes (14, 64, 192 px, how could we miss that?). https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0001_Artwork_Team_Logo -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 14:20 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: Why isn't this in the submissions list? : http://wiki.ubuntu-br.org/TimeArtwork#head-cdff2bf16ee7854db58cf2519dc2b1c99af15a90 Any reason it was left out? Blau Araujo mentioned it here on the mailing list on 27 Oct. Because it's the logo of the BR-Artwork Team. I can't help it, I see 2 people pushing a giant brush into a 3rd person's face. Would scale better and is less busy than the other submissions. That's a ridiculous claim, given submissions like http://www.flickr.com/photos/j_baer/5142173763/in/pool-uawt-1#/photos/j_baer/5142173763/in/pool-1507...@n25/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/55752...@n05/5196951321/in/pool-uawt-1#/photos/55752...@n05/5196951321/in/pool-1507...@n25/ Regarding the closing date. Weren't we waiting on Ivanka's survey result to identify the scope of this team? And there was the indecision on whether the team should be an Ubuntu Artwork or an Ubuntu Design team? I thought the survey would be about the custom website idea? Regarding design vs artwork: That's why I asked for logo concepts that at least hint at design, which basically led to pencils and rulers instead of just brushes ;) I have no doubt that logos, icons, wallpapers and themes will stay inside the scope of the team. Questionable is if mockups and interface/interaction design should be added. Since you can't tell such a complicated story with a logo anyway, I see no issue with making a choice from where we stand now. It's not like we couldn't replace the logo again, should there ever be a better idea. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 15:52 +0530, Vishnoo wrote: The issue those icons have is they seem to symbolize an /edit/ action, like 'draw' or 'edit' . Checkout the launchpad's edit icon, it's very close to the brush. I dont see how those relates to a *team's* logo. New requirement: avoid resemblance to edit icons. If we decide to change to a 'design' team, all the work folks have done will be in vain. It wont even be used for 2-3months. That's why I want a logo that will be fine for a Design Team, too. If everyone feels OK with changing a logo in just such a short period, we should make it clearer for people that their work might be replaced. Let's push the deadline to begin of February, earliest (expecting that not much will happen approaching and a bit after the turn of the year). To then evaluate the situation again. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo - Submissions due today!
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 09:52 -0600, Leandro Gómez wrote: New requirement: avoid resemblance to edit icons. Can we please add what we _don't_ want to the spec? It would make everyone's life much easier. :) Let's push the deadline to begin of February, earliest (expecting that not much will happen approaching and a bit after the turn of the year). I'm +1 on this. Spec updated accordingly. Proposals on further tightening it and making it clearer are very welcome. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0001_Artwork_Team_Logo -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Xubuntu Wallpaper
On Tue, 2010-11-30 at 22:05 +, Jakub Jankiewicz wrote: http://www.flickr.com/photos/56196...@n08/5221489829/ http://images.jcubic.pl/xubuntu-wallpaper.svg Thank you for your contribution. I think we should avoid text and logos on wallpapers (except if woven into the fabric of the wallpaper in a subtle way, perhaps). It was on oversight on my part to not mention that in the spec. So now I added: * No logo and no text. Such elements attract too much attention. Constantly reminding the user of the name of the distribution does not communicate confidence. Jakub: I would like to see a version (or versions) of your wallpaper without the logo/text and with glowing schematics. Also a rotation such that no lines are horizontal or vertical could be interesting. Remember, the wallpaper should speak of performance and lightness. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Xubuntu Wallpaper
On Wed, 2010-12-01 at 11:07 +, Jakub Jankiewicz wrote: I create different version - I rotate it and create blue glow (the dimension is 1024x576). http://www.flickr.com/photos/56196...@n08/5222903449/ http://images.jcubic.pl/xubuntu-wallpaper2.svg That's better. Now it looks like there would be black clouds above it, though. The general impression is of course: this is about technology, about hardware. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Edubuntu Spec - Take Two
On Mon, 2010-11-29 at 18:29 -0800, j_baer wrote: Desired message to Students Edubuntu is: * Fun * Empowering * Important * Open * A valuable experience Instead of open, I would say easily available. Important could be replaced with something that gets to the Why. A valuable experience seems a bit redundant. Ordering by priority: * Fun * Empowering * A key to future success * Easily available and accessible Metaphors and associations: * Games * Exploration * Pencil * Water colors * Space * Energy Not sure about space and energy. * Edubuntu as vehicle to reach new ground * A path through chaos * Connecting the dots * Building blocks Desired message to Teachers Edubuntu is: * Stable, reliable * Secure * Free of charge * Open the mind to new ideas * Inspire and motivate * Improve academic performance * Improve personal growth * Satisfy the need for a sophisticated and rewarding learning experience Nitpicking: take care of building sentences with the part before the colon, or turn all bullet points into complete sentences. Split into 2 blocks, if need be. Metaphors and associations: * Classroom * Books * Chalkboard * Science * Poem * Music * Math * Teaching * Learning * Community This just came to my mind and I can't reduce it to a point: Think of society as a huge graph of interconnected individuals. Older, well established parts of the graph are filled up with knowledge like a (glowing) liquid. The role of teachers in this graph is to serve as hubs for new nodes. (A more realistic take would show teachers as tour guides, but that can't be drawn easily.) Palette The Edubuntu palette is bold and rich and the community wishes to continue the tradition by using colors which are vibrant yet pleasing to the eye. Bold and rich doesn't seem appropriate to me, here. I would keep the 3 color palette that's on the wiki now (at least the red and beige) as an anchor. It just has to be clear that the wallpaper shouldn't have them all over the place and might not even contain them at all. ToDo ... ( same as Xubuntu ) That means: * Define colors used in the panel and windows. Evaluate them in light of the intended message. Suggest changes accordingly. * Identify icons likely to appear on the desktop * Create templates that allow to see proposals in context * Select associations and metaphors and work on literal or abstract takes on them. Thank you John, you provided a good base and it's comparably easy to come in later to criticize and add a few notes :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Re ady for Xubuntu Wallpaper Submissions
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 13:30 -0800, j_baer wrote: The guidance from the spec states a blue palette (...) It doesn't state a blue palette. From https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper : The Xubuntu palette has been completely blue, so far. A monotone color scheme as such sends a message of uniformity, stableness and eventually even shyness, indecision and paranoia. It does not speak of energy, movement, diversity ... The wallpaper will have to go well with the panels, windows and icons (as far as they appear on the desktop). Its use of color has to support the impression of lightness and performance, without becoming a distraction in day-to-day use. Aside of this, there is no predefined, required palette for the wallpaper. I see how the first sentence can be misunderstood easily, but thought the rest would make it clear. So now I changed the start to: The Xubuntu palette has been completely blue in the past, but should not remain that way. It's not that there should be no or little blue, it's rather that there should be a wider range of colors to avoid a monotone impression. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Community toolkit?
On Sun, 2010-11-28 at 13:56 +0300, Сергей wrote: I have a draft of the community toolkit page: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Shnatsel/CommunityToolkit Seems to me all that information should be at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Official and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation If anything needs to be more prominent, it should be part of or be linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dates
On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 14:22 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: It's also the international standard. I see no reason not to enforce the convention for clarity going forward. I changed all dates in our Specs to the ISO format and added notes to the template. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Nucleus Meeting Confirmed
A somewhat liberal summary of the meeting: Attendees: * John Baer * K. Vishnoo Charan Reddy * Ivanka Majik * Thorsten Wilms * Kenneth Wimer As a community team, we do not work for Canonical, but will try to work with or rather alongside the Design Team. Ivanka will be our point of contact for the Canonical Design Team (but we shall only fill her inbox after taking some deep breaths! ;). Regarding gaining influence on official artwork or being seen as partner of the Canonical Design Team, we think that quality should precede demand for equality. That means, if we want to be taken serious, we have to deliver! Kenneth Wimer doesn't work for Canonical anymore. He is still the leader of the Artwork Team, at least as far as Launchpad is concerned. He see's his future role here in helping with coordination, helping people with specific questions and mentoring. Kenneth stated that every time the team had attempted a larger project on itself and tried to take direction from canonical it had failed, mainly due to lack of explanation about decisions as well as lack of involvement in the decision making process. That's why he thinks we need to stick to the things we are good at, like the photo contest and other smaller things until we have the resources and structure to accomplish larger tasks We all agreed on a need for mentoring and guidance to help people to gain the experience and skills required to tackle artwork/design tasks. Kenneth stated that the Oxygen project started with just two artists, but by finding community members interested in learning they expanded the group by teaching them. The artwork team should be running in such a way that the whole community can make better use of it. Ivanka said that it seems to her that specific things identified by Canonical should be triaged and picked up in the same way as a request from a loco team. There should be more of a presence of our efforts so that we could attract more people and 'service' more projects (like apps) or create marketing materials for loco teams and things like that. Ivanka thinks it would be great if there was a leader who could match requests to people, amongst other things. We agreed that in cases like the Ubuntu Screenshots task, where the requirements and stakeholders are unclear, no team member should have to play detective. Instead, the task/specification is considered frozen, until the required information gets delivered. Regarding gaining insight into the workings of the Canonical Design Team, it has been stated that as much as possible is already being put out via the design.canonical.com blog and further information can be found in Launchpad reports. Reporting on everything would take too much time and there simply isn't the bandwidth to communicate what goes on in a team of full time employees. Their scope is actually a bit larger than Ubuntu and there may be business interests involved. We are assured that some of the work is just boring ;) For cases like LibreOffice, we think that invitations are fine on our list, but that it's up to any individual to follow or not. Specifications for such tasks should happen inside the upstream projects. We can have a section on our Specs page for listing projects where we endorse getting involved. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Spec Organization
Hi! My organization compulsion trumped my dislike of the wiki for a moment, because I couldn't stand seeing: Artwork/Specs/Edubuntu-natty-wallpaper Artwork/Specs/Request-1 Artwork/Specs/Request-2 Artwork/Specs/Request-3 Artwork/Specs/Request-4 Artwork/Specs/Request-5 Artwork/Specs/Request-6 Artwork/Specs/Request-7 Artwork/Specs/_Template on http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs So I renamed all the spec pages to a _Name scheme and introduced a separation between Open/Frozen/Closed on the Specs page. John: because of this, automatic listing can't be used anymore. Something is wrong with the markup now, thanks to your table acrobatics and my total lack of patience in trying to understand what's going on. It would be kind of you to see if you can fix it. I joined the 2 Edubuntu Wallpaper pages to http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0001_Edubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper and might have overlooked some detail. Much of what I said regarding Xubuntu applies here, too. John: what exactly is the purpose of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0006_LibreOffice_Artwork ? I maintain that a specification for LO artwork belongs to the LO project, has to live in their wiki and be discussed on their lists. Hence that page should at least be moved to Closed, if not deleted. Can I hear other's opinion on this? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Dates
Faced with dates like 12/02/2011 I always have to wonder if it's day/month/year or month/day/year. We should standardize on one date format for the wiki. I propose ISO 8601, as it was created just for this reason. It's also great for sorting. As an example, today is: 2010-11-25 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601 -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 21:53 -0500, John Baer wrote: Thorsten - Saleel - Charlie? Will you update the spec? Done. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/0007_Xubuntu_Natty_Wallpaper -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 15:02 -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Since the windows and background and panels in Xfce can all be themed separately, this complicates it. Even when using the default Albatross theme in Lucid 10.04, the window borders and panels were black, but the window backgrounds were very light, since that is more difficult to change from the Xfce defaults and requires extensive gtk theme changes. For the wallpaper specification we need to define the colors used in the panel and windows. These should be evaluated in light of the intended message (lightness, performance). Icons likely to appear on the desktop need to be identified. Note that creating/choosing the wallpaper first, to then adjust the panel and window colors is a valid approach, too. The question is, can you change those colors and how late in the game can you do so, then? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 10:34 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: Charlie can you look over the spec that john has written up/ update us with what happened at the meeting? I criticized the spec for not being based on any kind of mission statement or strategy. Charlie put down an action item for himself to contact you, Saleel, and me about taking care of that. I wouldn't mind to handle that right here, on this list. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 10:59 -0700, Charlie Kravetz wrote: Xubuntu would like to change the perception of only being for old and slow computers to being excellent for any hardware. According to the Xubuntu Strategy Document, it should perform well on any hardware. It should require and use fewer resources than Ubuntu, and is built with the Xfce desktop environment. Traditionally, it has used shades of blue and the Xfce mascot, a mouse, to represent itself. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument The central questions are the reason of existence of Xubuntu and what sets it apart from other offerings. Especially compared to Ubuntu or Xfce using distributions. For our job here, the only useful thing I see in the document is the focus on performance. An outcome of using fewer resources should be better performance and making high performance part of the message will avoid the only for old hardware fallacy. You don't dare to focus on any particular group of users. I think you should, as there are so many for everything and everyone distributions out there. Anyway, do you know about tendencies in the actual group of Xubuntu users? Ok, so we want to express high performance. But not performance by brute force, no big machines, but rather by making the most of what you get, by being small and light. Associations: * Cheetah * Swallow * Antelope * Sailing * Dart * Ultra-light planes and gliders * Marathon runners * Cars like the Ariel Atom http://www.arielatom.com/ Some of these could be abstracted to shapes and colors. There were questions and comments about the license. It seems the wording is too ambiguous. One of the questions raised was what Creative Commons license must submissions adhere to?. Can we define that better? Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Consider GPL for themes -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 15:38 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: You say the next step is abstracting colors and shapes. Shapes I can see how, but how do we know which colors to restrict? How do we judge the value tritone color sheme vs. a monotone one , for example. Sorry if this is super obvious, but I'm still learning. Actually, I wouldn't rule out literal takes on these subject matters. A monotone color scheme as such sends a message, too. One of uniformity, stableness, eventually even shyness, indecision and paranoia. Most likely not energy, movement, diversity ... I'm still learning, too. Why only by-sa? doesnt cc-by work as well? Because a single option does not make people pause and wonder what to choose ;) The ShareAlike aspect is just nice to have for keeping derivatives in the family, more GPL-like. @Charlie Currently the color pallete is pretty limited to tones of 1 color, would the inclusion of other colors be a problem? To not include other colors would be a problem. For wallpapers, I would even just define the colors given by panel and windows and require that wallpapers have to go well with them (icons might play a role in this considerations, too). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Community toolkit?
On Tue, 2010-11-23 at 19:25 +0300, Сергей wrote: I've just tried to start working on redesigning packages.ubuntu.com, and I realized that there should be some CSS implementing Ubuntu website guidelines, and that I have no idea where to look for it. I recall that there was some activity in ubuntu-website regarding ready-to-use themes, but lately it has been silent and I don't know the status. However, an interesting list of branches can be found at https://code.launchpad.net/ubuntu-website -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Edubuntu Wallpaper
On Sat, 2010-11-20 at 19:14 -0500, Hrafn Nordhri wrote: They suggest that we can use colours from images of narwhals, then there is a small pallet of three colours, (...) You refer to: The theme of this release is Natty Narwhal. Inspiration can be taken from the colors of the Narwhal and the environment in which it lives. I think those 2 sentences shouldn't be there. The narwhal has nothing to do with what Edubuntu (or Xubuntu) are about and this would be in conflict with palette choices of Edubuntu in the past, too. Offering release-codename inspired artwork to the community is fine. It's even something to consider for alpha releases. But it's only acceptable for the default artwork of any flavor, if the animal artwork happens to support the desired message and tone. Otherwise it's just a random topic, where you could go with mellow mushrooms as well ;) Also, could someone offer an example of what they are meaning with this statement The desired result will be an image which embraces the light Ubuntu design concept? See http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/308 I would drop the statement. It's not clear enough what it is about and why should Edubuntu care about the Light scheme of Ubuntu? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Need Help with Wallpaper Spec
On Thu, 2010-11-18 at 15:51 -0800, j_baer wrote:
* Single image for all resolutions ( viz. aspect ratio independent )
Aspect ratio independent design is a horrible idea regarding
composition. There's not much besides undefined blurriness that won't
look wrong with another then a single intended aspect ratio.
It's also very unnecessary, as there is Style: Zoom in background
settings. Isn't that the default? If it is not, that's a bug!
Of course that means you have to deal with varying parts of the image
being cropped, then. See the templates at the bottom of
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds
* png file format
And/or SVG.
Eventually XCF, ORA or KRA (Krita) sources.
* 1900 x 1200 dimensions { ? }
2560 x 1600 pixels.
* CC license
Needs to be more specific:
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/
I guess national instead of the unported version are ok, though I have
no clue about what it means if a french person creates a derivative of a
work that is licensed under a spanish CC license ...
Without the Share-Alike part is OK, too.
* Suggested palette
More in a sense of has to go well with these colors we use in the
interface, please not in a sense of wallpaper must be blue.
* Theming suggestions
Suggested topics. Desired message and/or characteristics.
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Re: [ubuntu-art] Screenshots @ Ubuntu.com
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 08:17 +, Ivanka Majic wrote: The wiki page is somewhat off the mark but I didn't want to edit without discussing with you why. When might you be available for an IRC chat? The LP report: https://bugs.launchpad.net/buttons/+bug/673488 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-4 seems to ask for the design of a screenshots.ubuntu.com service from scratch, but the site exists already and I assume it's fully functional(?). The code exists, the site runs, the interaction is given (?). What's open is layout and styling. Unclear points from the report: Why would we want to reflect the relationship between Debian and Ubuntu here? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 03:21 -0500, Saleel Velankar wrote: Xubuntu is lightweight, and focuses on a more traditional desktop experience. It uses blues as the color scheme (also a traditional color). (#FFF,#203b66,#2c5aa0) There needs to be a definition of what is meant with traditional, here. (Given my personal context, I think of lederhosen, among other things, when I hear traditional ;) Blue really shouldn't be part of the definition what Xubuntu is about. It's a possible measure, not an objective. You should see to get out of the visual identity defined by a single-color-choice trap. It's so limiting, drab, boring, one-dimensional. The characteristic and dominant color for mainline Ubuntu is orange, but don't you see how adding characteristic patterns to the mix and selecting a much richer palette for the desktop has done wonders compared to the state before the new visual identity? Requiring blue for the Xubuntu logo should not lead to an always all blue desktop. The traditional desktop experience is what will pick up more users for xubuntu as ubuntu moves into unity and gnome moves into shell. SO our wallpaper should reflect this by following some older traditions of ubuntu. That's a hope. That may make being conservative advisable. But if you're not willing to make it all brown/orange, you may as well forget the rest of the past of Ubuntu here ;) Traditions like featuring the animal in the wallpaper. That's hardly a tradition. Happened for 2 releases out of 13? The plus is that we tend to get a bunch of animal wallpapers anyways, and this would just be about getting the correct composition/color sheme for consideration. The negative is that people tend to focus a lot on the animal, and abandon any sense of taste. What does any random version-animal have to do with the message and values of Xubuntu? One release the animal might be somewhat appropriate and even make it easy to do something pleasant, the next it might be a total catastrophe both in a metaphorical and aesthetic sense. Presenting other topics, values you want to see expressed, techniques to be explored could do wonders to lead people away from focusing on the animals. But if there must be animal wallpapers, aim for solutions that are at least as good as the Hardy heron. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] screenshots.ubuntu.com
Hello Richard! On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 11:38 +, Richard H Lee wrote: What may need a bit more thought are the elements specific to this site, e.g. the browse by debtags functionality or the screenshots gallery. It would be great to know what you guys think. Here is a screenshot of what I have done so far: http://imgur.com/ZfQWU.png The launchpad project and code can be found here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-screenshots How about one of these for the header? http://www.foopics.com/showfull/f2a80d3cd8f3a1a388a2b0a53aaa96ac Searching for a screenshot happens more often than adding one on that site? The empty top left is reserved for Latest_Uploads like active on http://screenshots.ubuntu.com/ ? I doubt everyone knows what a debtag is. Doesn't seem important, just Tag or Category should do. It bothers me that you can't middle-click a tag to open it in a new tab. The list would be easier to scan if left aligned. The 2nd level shouldn't have a different layout. Make it vertical, too. It would be nice if changing to an entirely different page after clicking a 2nd level tag could be avoided. It could be more like Apple Finder's column view, even if that might make the space for thumbnails a bit narrow. http://www.bittbox.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/view_fonts_in_finder_4.jpg -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] screenshots.ubuntu.com
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 20:36 +0300, Сергей wrote: The database is shared with Debian where possible, for example, I've uploaded a new transmission-gtk screenshot today via screenshots.ubuntu.comand it's already available http://screenshots.debian.net/image/5912_large.png at screenshots.debian.net, so IMO we should indicate that it's a cooperative sprint. Ah, that wasn't clear to me. A mixed visual identity would be a nice gesture and surely interesting to create, but is likely to confuse users who may be unaware of the link between Debian and Ubuntu (even unaware of the existence of Debian). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] screenshots.ubuntu.com
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 19:58 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: The database is shared with Debian where possible, for example, I've uploaded a new transmission-gtk screenshot today via screenshots.ubuntu.comand it's already available http://screenshots.debian.net/image/5912_large.png at screenshots.debian.net, so IMO we should indicate that it's a cooperative sprint. Ah, that wasn't clear to me. Wait, isn't it rather the case that screenshots.ubuntu.com actually serves screenshots.debian.net? This would not stay this way, then. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Proposal discussion on xubuntu wallpaper/artwork.
On Wed, 2010-11-17 at 23:34 +0300, Сергей wrote: I've just posted a poll idea to OMG! Ubuntu!, let's wait and see if people still want animal wallpapers. If you would try to create a wallpaper based on what people want, I'm worried you might end up with : a calm and neutral abstract graphic, that shows an exciting landscape, a motorcycle just for Iain, with cute babies and bunnies, a manga babe, and that is politically correct ;) The default artwork of a distribution should be about how that project wants to be perceived. The preferences of the audience comes into play only in an indirect way. Especially for a wallpaper, something people like to change, perhaps just for the sake of changing it. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice Update
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 17:12 +0800, David Nelson wrote: I'm actively promoting the idea of a LibreOffice logo/mascot competition, and I would love to see an active involvement with Ubuntu Artwork in this initiative. I've posted about it in a dedicated thread in the LibO marketing list: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Logo-mascot-competition-td1903253.html#a1903253 You use sentences like if you have clear arguments against it, I'll drop the subject and OK, I'm ready to listen to all ideas against this. :-), but then you don't wait for even a single reply before you carry this over to elsewhere. I don't think this is fair to either project (and wherever else you may be posting). Well, my reply can be found right below your message, following that nabble link, now. Note that I don't doubt that you have the best intentions. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice - An Open Apology
On Mon, 2010-11-15 at 10:52 -0800, j_baer wrote: The desire of the Ubuntu community is to assist the LibreOffice community as best as we can. The negative comments expressed by some do not represent the community at large. John, I really don't think it's appropriate for you to write an apology for someone else or to speak for the entire team or even the whole community. Furthermore, I don't think it's fair to take issue without clearly defining what it is you have a problem with, enabling others to make sense of this and to judge for themselves. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Possible tasks
On Sat, 2010-11-13 at 17:26 -0800, j_baer wrote: As we haven't received a request from the Ubuntu-Brainstorm community to provide updated artwork I view Thorwil's work ( very nice ) as a proposal. I would love to see this offered to others on the team who may also have good ideas to submit. This is an excellent example of the risk of a proposal as Thorwil's work is dated 07/17/2010 and the site is still unchanged. There was no request, but it was clear the logo/header would need an update to match the new visual identity. As the creator of the current solution, I felt responsible. A slightly refined version of one of the drafts in my blog post has been selected and has the approval of Nicolas Deschildre (creator of the Brainstorm site) and of Marcus Haslam (Brand lead, Design Team). As far as I know, steps have been taking for replacement, but I have no clue what is holding this back, still. While you would love to see this offered to others, it would piss me off to no end ;) There are enough other tasks, including a complete theme for the Brainstorm site. Before tackling that, responsibilities and process regarding site updates have to be cleared up. Note that I'm not keen on doing the theme, I would be glad if others handled that (except for the logo, of course). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Possible tasks
On Thu, 2010-11-11 at 16:49 +0300, Сергей wrote: Where shall I put it? Shall I report bugs in Launchpad and tag them 'needs-artwork'? Or shall I edit https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Tasks? I lean towards the later, but you could do both :) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] LibreOffice project: request for contributors and mentoring
On Wed, 2010-11-10 at 15:41 +0800, David Nelson wrote: Notably, right now, we urgently need creative talent to help us design artwork for our websites. We need to develop a logo, and - hopefully - a MASCOT along the lines of Linux's Tux, to act as a living ambassador that achieves lasting recognition of our brand and products in people's minds. http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Branding http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/few-days-ago-somebody-wrote-on.html http://luxate.blogspot.com/2010/10/fontastic-how-libreoffice-got-its-font.html give me the impression that a logo (and color scheme) has been selected and is on the way of being established!? -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums need design assistance
On Mon, 2010-11-08 at 20:54 -0500, John Baer wrote: http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1066/5159498235_00fb7974c8_b.jpg Thoughts? Graphically, these are much better. Though, on ubuntu.com, the pictograms are kept in orange. But what you have here are illustrations, not statusicons that indicate the presence or lack of unread posts, plus whether there is a single forum page or set of forums (called a category). (At least I guess the read/unread thing applies to Category icons, too.) In any case, I see a problem of weighting: the icons look like they would be the most important thing in the body area, by far. That's why I used rather small stars on http://www.foopics.com/showfull/24cab922804efd5587f7d8d6109d168a These rather simple and symmetric don't call for attention so much. The Category titles/links are marked by the lack of stars! BTW, I noticed the light gray for the forum is #f7f6f5. It should be #f7f7f7, like used on ubuntu.com. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums need design assistance
On Sun, 2010-11-07 at 15:23 -0700, Mike Basinger wrote: I made a lot of changes on the forums this weekend. Please let me know what you think? http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums/forum.php Flat gray content boxes are a big improvement. Besides what I noted elsewhere: Grey bar, containing Today's Posts ... : orange shines through on the bottom corners. Initially I thought Community, Forum Actions and Quick Links would be naked until hover. Only now I see there are white arrowheads. Needs more contrast, meaning they have to be darker than the background. I think you should get rid of the gap between that bar and the page (the 2 lines of dots shining through). -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums design assistance
On Fri, 2010-11-05 at 22:17 +0100, Thorsten Wilms wrote: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/0a404f14eb9b5fee61518d808c5dd177 Wasn't happy with that one and only later realized that Help and FAQ are the same link. One should be dropped, FAQ is more descriptive. Community, Forum Actions and Quick Links are actually menus and should be differentiated from other links. Included them all in my new mockup, but perhaps it should be a single menu, or the actual actions right on the bar, depending on their max. number. I realize that such heavy modification can be problematic, but I wanted to see where I end up, applying more of the ubuntu.com style: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/24cab922804efd5587f7d8d6109d168a Login and Search button shown in disabled state, as they should be, if the entries are empty. An alternative to the stars (or other icons) for read/unread would be bold type, similar to what Evolution does. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Forums design assistance
Hi! A bit late ... but looking at http://www.mikesplanet.net/forums/forum.php I see a couple of issues. Help sits between the closely related login controls and Register. Flipping Help and Register would fix that. Remember me? should not have that question mark. Haphazard placement. Would better be on one line with the rest of the login stuff. BTW, do users understand what that is about? The fist 2 tabs belong to the forum, but the other tabs are lying to us, as they are outward links. Same presentation for 2 different kind of links and breaking the notebook metaphor ... What's New? and Today's Posts are actually the same link. Don't use different labels for the same thing. Avoid duplicates, especially that close together. We have Forum, then [house-icon] Forum and Ubuntu Forums. At least 2 of these are redundant. The speech-bubble icons rely on their tooltip: Double-click this icon to mark this forum and its contents as read. Even if a better icon can be found, I would lean towards relying on a text link/command within the forum page (not on the overview). http://www.foopics.com/showfull/0a404f14eb9b5fee61518d808c5dd177 A rough mockup, trying to address the issues with the header. If we really feel a need to link to several other Ubuntu sites, an approach like the very top on http://www.heise.de/ should be considered. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] New Artwork Team Wiki
On Wed, 2010-11-03 at 18:08 -0400, John Baer wrote: * Create your images in a tool capable of supporting the “SVG” image format (viz. Inkscape). I used 128px as the height. Export your submission as a “png” or “jpg”. I discovered Flickr displays icons uploaded as “jpg” better than “png”. I use GIMP to do the conversion. How does Flickr display JPG better than PNG? JPG is a terrible format for this kind of graphics. I moved the desired due date out to 12/01 to give everyone time to participate. I guess that means 1st of December, not 12th of January ;) -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Free Culture Showcase Theme
Hi! A few of us had a session about the Ubuntu Free Culture Showcase at UDS. Wiki page of the previous run: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuFreeCultureShowcase While results have been good to great for pictures and music, there has been a dearth of videos plus a tendency of them being focused on Ubuntu. This has been fine, but continuing this way might be seen as navel-gazing and propaganda by a growing and increasingly diverse audience. The showcase assets should wow the audience on their own, based on artistic merit. We would also prefer works created specifically targeting the showcase. For these reasons and because it's cool, we would like to have a common theme for the next round. Ideally one that can be seen as an expression of at least one of the virtues and goals of Free Software and Ubuntu, but that is a little more concrete. Got suggestions? Planned schedule: * Jan 3rd: Announcement, contest open * Feb 14th: contest closed * March 7th: Shortlist Complete * March 21th: Juding Complete We will collect submissions on sites like Flickr, Deviantart and Soundcloud like before and have sub leaders for each community. Ivanka will organise judging by professionals, for neutrality and high standards. This will improve the chances of being taken seriously and of receiving recognition by the outside world. There may be prizes and more attention will be payed to announcing the winners. We intend to do a web button/badge program, but theme and briefing come first. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Flickr is the best interim Image Repository
On Mon, 2010-11-01 at 09:13 -0400, John Baer wrote: What I don’t like about Flickr. • File size limitation on “free” accounts. • Poor/no support for “svg” format. I think these 2 are show-stoppers. I'm in favor of using http://art.ubuntu-owl.org/ for submissions. At least if they are to be archived. Otherwise, foopics.com, dropbox or ubuntu-one may suffice. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Light Wiki Mockup
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 00:41 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: I'll be working some more on our django project, some code etc and I hope daker, thorwil and others want to continue looking into the design and production of the website with me. Yes. At least, I want to do part or all of the design/conception for *a* site and then will have to see where bottom-up and top-down may meet. Also will have to see what comes out of the research/questionnaire. Notes: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/other-design-n-reinvigorate-artwork-team -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Light Wiki Mockup
On Sun, 2010-10-31 at 14:07 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: ccHost, without a doubt that's the best tool for actual submissions for the immediate. The only thing that needs to be done is to move it's svg preview from imagemagick to rsvg-convert. The wiki can be used for all the documentation for the projects. I thought this was the agreed plan? (just to confirm, ivanka that's what we have in the blueprint?) From what I recall, there was just consensus about the wiki being inappropriate (at least for handling contributions) and on that no time should be wasted on a temporary solution. Especially as those can end up being sticky. That said, we will have to use the wiki for documentation purposes until there is another solution. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo
Hi, thanks for the proposals! On Thu, 2010-10-21 at 22:56 +0400, Сергей wrote: I made some very basic concept designs, I'm afraid they're non-release quality but I hope they'll encourage brainstorming. At this stage, aiming at ready-for-release quality tends to be a waste of time. It just needs to be good enough to evaluate the concepts. Pencil or pen on paper can help there, because a sketch is quite obvious a sketch. In contrast, roughed in vector-work will often just appear unfinished. Of course, some things are just easier to do with Inkscape :) Based on Human icon set: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5279564/artwork_team_1.svg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5279564/artwork_team_2.svg Based on GNOME icon set: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5279564/artwork_team_3.svg http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5279564/artwork_team_4.svg It would help to see just the symbols on one image. The type and symbol layout is a secondary concern, that can be dealt with after choosing a symbol. The paint brush on the 3/4 symbol needs an outline to separate it from the palette. As is, both build a single, confusing shape. Aside of that, it's a decent concept. Fastest way to get that outline is to duplicate the brush shape, give it an orange stroke, place it below the first brush and adjust the stroke width until it looks right. As a last step, if everything else has been tweaked, you can convert the outline path to a shape and subtract it from the palette shape. I wonder if we can find a symbol that has more to do with the design aspect, the planned and constructed approach. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do! (Martin Owens)
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 20:25 -0400, John Baer wrote: I like what I see with ccHost and there may be expertise ( Bryce? ) to help mold it into a useful tool. The openclipart site looked good ( http://www.openclipart.org/ ). Personally, I would avoid anything based on PHP. It's amazing what people build with that poorly designed language, but it still doesn't make it look like a god choice. 1. Will Canonical host it? If not, then who? I would not count on Canonical. Especially not on any buy-in prior to us having something in our hands. I think there's a words are cheap, see who actually delivers at work, combined with everyone being busy enough already. After making sure we will tackle the right problem, the primary concern on the technical side should be cutting down the required development effort. Not at the cost of justified features, but by starting with an informed choice of language and framework. Even if that makes hosting more difficult/expensive, as developer time is very precious. We could try to collect donations for hosting, once there is something to show. 2. What does Canonical plan to do with the current Wiki and when. There's a theme update in the pipeline, but AFAIK that's all they plan to change regarding the wiki. What all the other teams and Canonical want to use for their collaborative documentation needs is up to them. What I have in mind will be for this team and anyone else who wants to work on design/artwork in the FLOSS realm in a structured way. Not tying it to Ubuntu will only make it more valuable, as GNOME, application projects and even other distributions could use it, too. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On Wed, 2010-10-13 at 22:06 -0400, John Baer wrote: My observation of the Art Team is there is room for improvement and turning things around in a positive manner may not be as hard as it appears. Fundamentally we lack a process for success or some may argue we simply lack a process. Motivation, direction, process, I'd say. It still looks like many lost interest when it became clear that the Ubuntu default theme and wallpaper is off-limits. It would be up to representatives of Xubuntu/Edubuntu/Lubuntu to make those projects appear attractive to contributors in the design realm. Regarding themes, I really wonder why anyone should tie his efforts there to Ubuntu (except for modifying the Ambiance/Radiance themes). The best case is filling a real need. This is why I would like to see more happen with requests. To go out there and improve things that don't look right should also happen more, but there's not much standing in the way except a lack of initiative. 1. Initiate 2. Construct/build 3. Release This is so general, it can't happen any way, so the one thing it does say is that you are not done before a release. The goal is to provide quality artwork in a manner which adds value to the Ubuntu community. * The term Ubuntu community also includes the derivatives. The objective is to use a flexible process which encourages inclusion, provides recognition of effort, and facilitates collaboration to achieve the desired result. BTW, I edited https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork recently. Nitpicking: the process is not an objective, but a tool. To facilitate collaboration can be an objective. To begin the dialog and to move this effort along I created a Wiki page here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Blueprint My assumption is we really don't need to build anything, just use the tools available. For example use the Art Team Launchpad Blueprint tool as our “job queue”. I saw enough traces of people not understanding how to use the wiki, attaching images to random pages without telling anyone, struggling with the markup. Then you can bet there are many others out there who don't even try to use it. Heck, I developed a disdain for the wiki, seeing how confusing editing long pages is, how ridiculously laborious it is to add images, especially with thumbnails, how insufficient the hierarchical structure is ... We should have WYSIWYG editing, where you can put images right into place, with automatic thumbnail generation. Including previews for SVGs. Finally, the wiki is full of pages that never fulfilled a real purpose, documenting concepts and drafts that went nowhere and hardly anyone even looks at them. We should discourage a continuation of this waste of effort. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Improving What We Do!
On Thu, 2010-10-14 at 00:36 -0400, Martin Owens wrote: If there aren't enough people at UDS from the Art Team, then we may end up having to have a real meeting. Jonathan Carter, Vishnoo and I will be there. My first thoughts on this team is that we need real software to manage job requests, announcements (blogs/feeds etc) and submissions. The wiki is a stop gap in my opinion which needs a nice and healthy replacement. I agree and know Vish does, too. The only thing that could remain on the wiki would be documentation, but rather not if we can have WYSWYG editing with good image support. There is no shortage of candidates and we could move more towards debian with cchost or more towards fedora with (er, I forget the name) with their art management software. We have lots of choice here and I'd be happy to head it up and collect together requirements. The name is DesignHub. Thoughts/Requirements = Presence: Get a summary post onto Planet Ubuntu once a week. Landing page: * Leads the visitor to other sections: * Request design/artwork * How to create / get involved * Upload * View/discuss/get Accounts and permissions: * Can we reuse LP accounts? * 3 levels: visitor, contributor, admin? Submitting: * Automatic thumbnail generation (including previews for SVGs) * Enforce a minimum size of uploads (for wallpapers) maybe even one of a list of fixed resolutions/aspect-ratios * Mandatory specification of a license and author(s) * Manage source files such as SVG and XCF * Link derivatives to originals Navigation: * Categories/Tagging * photo vs abstract * Ubuntu derivative and release (optional) * Gallery pages with filtering/search Comments: * Comments per submission, ideally nested Notifications: * Email, RSS, microblogging? * On additions, edits, comments * Filtering per category, white/black-listing Versioning: * Could we tie into LP, or use bzr or git otherwise? * Mark comments as referring to a specific version Bonus: * Link with Flickr. Search both on the site and within the Flickr pool at once * Add notes or scribble on top of images to provide clear feedback * Etherpad-style concurrent realtime editing -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] A call for help!
On Thu, 2010-10-07 at 11:43 -0400, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: It's not exactly inspiring or exciting, but I think the changes I made do make the channel somewhat safer to eyes. Oh yes, they do! :) http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubuntu-dev-channel/ubuntu-dev-new1.jpg * http://people.ubuntu.com/~jonathan/files/maverick/ubuntu-dev-channel/ubuntu-dev-new2.jpg The yellowish page (as defined by the large rectangle surrounded by the background/wallpaper) vs the cool gray looks a little ill. Easiest way out would be to make the page white. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Artwork Team Logo
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 14:19 -0700, j_baer wrote: I would like to see an updated Artwork Team logo for the Wiki that could also serve as a badge on other sites (launchpad?). I suggest we start with a Wiki page to capture submissions and provide guidance to the effort. Flat approach = I'd like to try a flat approach, instead. Everyone who wants to participate can put PNG files up on http://www.foopics.com/ and post a link to the uploaded image here (replying to this mail). Tools = Start with pen or pencil on paper, don't hesitate to present rough sketches. Once you go to the computer, Inkscape is the preferred tool. In any case, we will need an SVG file as final result. Goals = Focus on an idea/concept for a symbol, first. Ignore type, as we will just set Artwork Team using the new Ubuntu font. Primary goal is to express that this is about artwork/creativity. Secondary that it is related to Ubuntu and derivatives (Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Edubuntu, Lubuntu, ...). One way to express the relation to Ubuntu is to pick up the basic geometry of the Circle of Friends logo. But don't just modify it, rather play with the circle divided by three or equilateral triangle concept. Style = Looking at the visual identity of Ubuntu as executed on http://www.ubuntu.com/ we should prefer filled shapes and a 2-tone approach (orange/white). However, we could consider another color than orange and/or an extended palette (3 or 4 colors) for our own sub-identity. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Natty Xubuntu Wallpaper. Edubuntu needs help too!
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 09:07 +0530, AKHIL wrote: what is natty i need more information about that.For the wallpaper how many resolutions are needed?? Natty is shorthand for Natty Narwhal, the codename for Ubuntu 11.04. http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/478 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames Regarding resolution, it's possible to get good results with a single one, as long as it's only scaled down, never up (scaling down can make things blurry, too, but not as much). That's why I recommend 2560 x 1600 pixel. For raster images, it can be worthwhile to work in double the size, as it helps to attain a smooth result, but that takes a lot of memory. However, there can be problems with composition for the varying aspect ratios. That's why this exists: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds#Templates Of course, one could consider to create one version per common aspect ratio. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Natty Xubuntu Wallpaper. Edubuntu needs help too!
On Thu, 2010-09-23 at 01:56 -0400, Hrafn Nordhri wrote: Also.. what colour scheme? There seems to be tradition to put a single color selection in front, e.g. blue for Fedora, green for Suse and it used to be brown for Ubuntu. I hope we can free us from this approach and first think about what it is we are trying to express. What are the defining characteristics of a specific distribution? What do we know about the audience? What is the tone we want to hit, the posture to adopt? What is the message? How does all of this translate to a color scheme and stylistic choices? That said, take a look for the colors used so far: http://www.xubuntu.org/ http://edubuntu.org/screenshots -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What would you like to work on? (Andrew Starr-Bochicchio)
On Tue, 2010-09-21 at 17:55 -0400, John Baer wrote: +1 - The desire of most GTK theme developers is to develop for a the greater Gnome community but my preference for this team is to develop specifically for Ubuntu. Understandable, but one could wonder what makes a theme specific to Ubuntu? It's not like certain colors wouldn't work elsewhere (and we shouldn't limit our palettes that much). IMO community themes has a lot of potential and I believe unique to the Ubuntu community. We still might hit the forum to ask for contributors and could put out calls on Planet Ubuntu and/or OMG, but currently it doesn't look like there are enough people into themes specifically for Ubuntu :/ I can start putting some ideas together on the Wiki but I can't go it alone and would want input including participation from the Canonical design team. I know this can't go it alone feeling very well. Regarding the design team, I would not count on anyone of them reading here all too closely. They seem to be very busy (seriously). Then again, if not a single one of them reads this, I can claim they don't like kittens and are disrespectful to ponies, without anyone setting things straight! -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What would you like to work on?
On Mon, 2010-09-20 at 11:27 -0400, Dea Million wrote: - Requested artwork for *buntu-related projects Not sure what this is. Examples have been requests for a - logo/header and a few icons for http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/ - logo for http://uck.sourceforge.net/ - logo and an illustration for http://wubi-installer.org/ - design for a cycling jersey Thank you, Déa and everyone else who replied so far. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Flyers and Posters
Hi! For those interested in posters, flyers, brochures and such, have a look at: http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ Consider to improve an existing piece or work. You could get into contact wit a Local Team to get to know the needs and opportunities for marketing material that will be put to use. See: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoTeams This should be suited for teamwork, as the task can be split up into, for example: - planning - copy-writing - illustration - layout Get visual identity guidelines and assets at: http://design.canonical.com/the-toolkit/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Wallpapers
Hi! We have some guidelines for wallpapers at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Documentation/Backgrounds/ You can also find templates for Inkscape and GIMP there, for working at a recommended 2560 x 1600 pixel size and keeping the most common aspect ratios in mind. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] The Breathe Icon Set is up for grabs
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 19:36 -0400, Cory K. wrote: https://launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set That said, I'm offering the project to anyone who can demonstrate that they can do something with it. At the very least, I'd give it over to someone who can hold it in trust. Maybe Thorsten or Ken? IDK. Too much other stuff on my list. There's also the urge to change so much about it, that it wouldn't be Breathe anymore, so even if I can't realistically do that, it would still make me a bad caregiver. Jonathan Carter's offer sounds good to me. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Solutions
On Sun, 2010-09-19 at 12:12 -0400, Saleel Velankar wrote: Problem #1 There are far too many people on this list that never seem to post. People that never post are not a problem. Posts that fail to meat certain standards are. Problem #3 The wiki may be falling apart. Solution: Good let it die. No seriously the wiki in my opinion is cumbersome, and difficult to edit. I say we move our discussion to this mailing list and our postings to the deviantart group (see #7). We can use the wiki as an archive to for our results. Yes, the wiki lacks WYSIWYG editing and better image handling, including thumbnail generation. The Deviantart group is best left to those who are there already. We should not encourage use of yet another proprietary site. Especially one that lacks email notifications, making it a no-go for anyone on a tight schedule. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
