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The problem is still here for me running any version of this driver
either from Ubuntu or Realtek themselves. I have even tried emailing
their tech support for help and the drivers they sent me still cause
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I just installed the latest driver for rtl8192se card on my Lenovo
Thinkpad Edge 13 (AMD processor powered), and after installing these
messages are logged in the message log repeatedly:
Aug 25 08:46:26
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I have the same problem on a Toshiba x505-890 Using 10.04 w/ all updates
(2.6.32-24-generic) . My machine randomly locks up. Actually, one
wireless network at the university, my machine always goes into a
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Just adding another me too here. Using 10.04 w/ all updates
(2.6.32-24-generic #39) my machine is unusable with the RTL 8172
wireless card turned on. It randomly locks up my machine - sometimes
within minutes
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Same issue with my Lenovo x100e under Ubuntu 10.4. I really wish this would
get fixed so I can use Linux rather than Windows 7 as my laptop is not terribly
fast.
I need to be able to connect to my
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it Works for me.
my station: Toshiba L510 Satellite Realtek 8172 with driver RTL8192SE
I've discovered my WIFI problem with Lucid 2.6.32-24-generic
my system was in dual-boot, i logged in to windows then i
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You can sum up all these posts in one sentence:
Realtec's RTL8192SE Linux drivers are buggy, there're no in-Kernel drivers, and
Realtec doesn't have any intention to fix this.
No one cares whether it works
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For me, today, in Lucid, with kernel.. Linux 2.6.32-22-generic
#33-Ubuntu SMP Wed Apr 28 13:28:05 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux
I'm not having problems using this wlan.
Drivers are defaults from lucid, i did't
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I was actually wrong when I stated everything worked fine. I had
forgotten I was not using any encryption for my wireless when I was
doing all the testing.
The moment I turned on encryption on my router I
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@Ken Nelan. It shouldn’t be the router issue. For instance, my new
laptop doesn’t work with Realtek 8192 card (network manager states
“device not ready”), while Linksys USB adapter works on the same
network.
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@theUg,
Forgive me, I thought I added that I didn't think my post was a fix, but
it may help some out there who are able to see their network, but
unable to connect to it. They may think it's a error with
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@Ken Nelan. No, there is no problem. Really, what I was saying it never
should be router problem, and system should ideally figure it all out on
its own. But that’s why we have bug reports. :)
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@Valdimir
No, it is still there. At this moment wifi works fine but sometimes I have
interruptions and I have to stay 1m from my router away. It seems to be the
same problem as earlier with battery power
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Hi!
Does anybody have a working connection with 8192SE and new 10.04? Under 9.10
the last driver (0015) has worked perfect but now under 10.04 nothing :-(
P.S. I made a update from 9.10 to 10.04 and have
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Hello!
I have 0015 driver working with 10.04, kernel version is
2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu.
Device: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8172 (rev 10)
Have you removed
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Wireless won't work on Lenovo Thinkpad T510
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try installing rtl8192se-dkms from https://launchpad.net/~matt-
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Martin, it is a generic laptop system made an unknown ODM. The wireless
module is identified as [10ec:8172] and the driver from Matt Price's PPA
is used.
For what it's worth, I just discovered that to make wireless function
work more reliably upon resuming from suspend, in addition to the file
Martin:Thanks for this. I was wading through this very long post yesterday
after getting my ASUS EEEPC 1201N and was trying everything.
It was frustrating to see wlan0, only to find that it was inoperable. A kernel
driver that does not work on the device creates more problems than not having
Sadly, I see the same issue that others are seeing with 64 bit. The
module/driver is there but it fails to find any networks.
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hello everyone! after grappling with this problem myself. ok first of
all you need to use the realtek driver as david woo suggested. manual or
automatic install is your choice. try automatic. much quicker i guess.
then you might come across the situation where the GUI will still not
show the list
In my system, after installing the latest driver from Realtek (Version:
0015.0127.2010), the wireless function would work properly upon a fresh
system start. However, it could no longer connect to internet after
coming back from suspend or hibernate. It would simply keep trying and
trying and fail
Later I learned that adding the following line to a newly created file
in /etc/pm/config.d/wireless
SUSPEND_MODULES=r8192se_pci
to force an unload/load the r8192se_pci module during S3/S4 process
seems to fix the issue.
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Chih Ho: what is your system?
I have a Asus EEE 1201N laptop with the same characteristics.
However it seems to be related to other bugs that makes hibernate
suspend not work properly on that laptop.
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I know there has been a great many comments about this issue, but I'd
like to throw in my voice. I have a Toshiba L555D-S7930 with the
Realtek 8172 (though it shows up under Win 7 as an 8191se). I've
installed the 10.04 beta 2 and am able to connect without WPA only. If
I stop working for all
@Ken Nelan: Sounds like your issue is the command. You say you're using
sudo make install, yes?
If that is the case, for this set of drivers that doesn't seem to work.
You _must_ build the drivers with su, not sudo.
For Ubuntu, use these terminal commands:
$ sudo su
(enter sudo password)
$
@Obsidian,
I did try that and it was still no go. Still got the same error
message. Running Ubuntu 10.04 b2 here. I did discover that the AMD
Turino II M500 is a 64 bit so I'm going to download the 64 version and
see if that makes the difference... Everything I've read shows people
using the
@Ken: try the dkms package in Matt Price's PPA, https://launchpad.net
/~matt-price/+archive/mattprice . Simply install the package using
synaptic/apt-get/..., and possibly reboot. This is just the latest
Realtek driver release packaged as a dkms module, for which everything
is done automatically.
@pablomme et al...
Wow. That's all I can say. Wow!!!
I don't know if it was something I was doing then, which I admit is
entirely possible, but it is working so well now!!! No pauses, no
complaints
I probably missed reading that there were updated drivers. I was using
an old set.
This
Hello all, i've found another bug in the launchpad #530275 and it might
be related.
In my system the driver found here worked:
https://launchpad.net/~matt-price/+archive/mattprice/+packages
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Just to mention, this isn't a distribution related issue, i've confirmed the
problem with this driver in a Meego based distribution.
In my case, i wasn't abble to connect into N-based network with WEP.
My card is a rtl8191se.
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From #275 and #276 I decided to change the encryption on my router as
well. On my router I have the possibility of choosing between WPA2 (AES)
and WPA2 Mixed. The default was WPA2 (AES). After changing it to WPA2
Mixed the connection doesn't drop anymore. Sometimes the signal strength
drops from
Thanks, Meng Zhuo! Have you made any changes to the drives, except for
making the debs?
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I had make some deb for this card in
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkPad_11b/g/n_Wireless_LAN_Mini-PCI_Express_Adapter_II
welcome every body go and test it
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Hi folks,
Sorry for crossposting... but after a sleepless night I managed to make
my connection working and stable. I can confirm the post #275, thanks to
Nuno for the hint.
Running Ubuntu Karmic (9.10) 64bit on Asus EEE 1201N with rtl8192se wifi
interface.
A few days ago I bought a new wifi
After a lot of testing I found that the problem occurred only when
connecting with WPA2. I changed my wireless security to connect through
WPA and the connection is working fine with the latest drivers.I've
tried playing a bit with wpa_supplicant but to no avail. So it seems
like it's a bug with
BTW, I'm running Karmic with the 2.6.31.20 kernel and I have the problem
of maintaining a connection so it's not a specific 2.6.32 kernel
problem.
Nuno
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The same problems exists wtih 2.6.33 as well, using Karmic. However, it
seemed like it managed to reconnect after 30 seconds or so. I wil ltry
this out some more.
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Hello;
i just installed ubuntu 10.04 beta1 64 bit,and found the wireless working
natively but with the same problem as that posted at 268
, i hardly can maintain a couple of minutes of connection then i must restart
the network to get the connection working again.
i installed the latest drivers
I just got a Thinkpad Edge yesterday and installed 10.04 beta1 x64 on
it. Out of the box the driver was only seeing 1 unencrypted network. I
grabbed the latest realtek driver and then was able to see the other
networks (my own is WPA/Enterprise). After I deleted the original driver
(from
I'm using the latest drivers and having the same problems as Øsse on post #268.
Is this a regression from previous drivers?
There are lots of messages in dmesg but seems there are two errors causing the
connection to fail:
[ 5850.474867] rtllib: ERR! in GetTs(), TID(10) is not valid
[
Here another note:
It seems the driver is integrated in the actually daily Snapshot of
Lucid Lynx with kernel 2.6.32-16-generic but it doesnt work without
installing the driver from Realtek, but in this combination it runs
perfectly on a Medion E1222 with same WLAN NIC.
This is a 32 bit system
I'm having some issues with the newest driver (version 0015).
On every single boot, without exception, I have to run the wlan0up
script. Why is that? It isn't really a problem, but it gets annoying
after a while. I have tried installing the driver with and without my
wifi card active. No
Hello @all.
I have a problem with the 8192 ver01 wlan card. so my card is not runnig. i
tried but it dont work. sorry if my english is bad.
i download the newest driver for the card at realtek. i tried to install with
sudo su, make, make install. but the driver will not load in the kernel i
@Spuckiii
Did you modprobe in the module?
should be $ modprobe r8192se_pci
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@Obsidian
yes i did. but nothing happens. iwconfig says no wireless
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Hey there! here's the link :
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1PNid=21PFid=48Level=5Conn=4DownTypeID=3GetDown=falseDownloads=true
One thing i did manage to see from now, there is signal dropdown once
every 30 min or so! dropping from 85 to 40% once in a while and
Ooops was not obsidian that the message was intended ... Spuckii !
sorry! :S
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Hehe, no problem.
Just a note, I'm running this on Fedora 12 x86_64 without issues so far,
and unlike the previous drivers + patch in #90, I've managed to maintain
connection without it dropping on me for a while now. Looks like this
set might be good to go.
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So far i had no problem with the one provided on the realtek site (
Ver.15) with the kernel 2.6.31.20 x64. Didn't try it really hard but it
is obvious that its working on battery nowfinally! ;)
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@Cyber-Ice: Got a link to that version, by any chance? I'm still
running on the version posted way back in #90, and wondering if it'll
improve the stability of my network connection.
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@Cyber-Ice - Please me too :) Can you provide the link?
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Nevermind, found it -
http://www.realtek.com/downloads/downloadsView.aspx?Langid=1PNid=21PFid=48Level=5Conn=4DownTypeID=3GetDown=falseDownloads=true
I'm going to give it a shot and let you all know if it works.
Me on a Thinkpad X100E
$uname -a
Linux josh-laptop 2.6.31-20-generic #57-Ubuntu SMP
So I'm thinking this did the trick. Prior to this, my connection on
battery would have died long ago.
Here's what I did.
Download from #260, pick your linux driver
Extract to /tmp
$sudo su
#make clean
#make
#make install
#sudo reboot
Attached is my speedtest :) YAY
** Attachment added:
My temporary solution (Toshiba Satellite Pro U500, driver 0014):
in /etc/acpi/wireless-rtl-ac-dc-power.sh replace RTL8192_BATT_POWER=6
with RTL8192_BATT_POWER=0 (line 15)
in this manner the wlan card never go in battery mode
I tested this solution for about 8-9 days (with and without AC cord)
on Realtek site ... rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0015.0127.2010.tar.gz
ciao
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Ok, Andrea you are right. I was touching the wrong line.
But it seems to be solved with the new drive from Realtek. Works well
with and without AC power.
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Hello,
finally I have a working wifi connection. the latest version 14 can't
work on my thinkpad x200, but the driver post at #28
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/34090326/rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1012.2009_64bit.tar.gz
seems work for me.
thanks a lots, hope the near future we could have a better
I was having the same problem: working perfect with AC cord plugged but
failed working on battery.
I think I have found a solution forcing the driver not to mess with ACPI
system:
Just as easy as editing /etc/acpi/wireless-rtl-ac-dc-power.sh file as superuser
and change the first command line
Sorry, too easy to be true. After reboot, seem to have the same problem.
But I am sure the problem is up to that script in
/etc/acpi/wireless-rtl-ac-dc-power.sh
I keep searching...
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I also tried that a few days ago and was on the edge of reporting it
here, but came to the same conclusion. Helped somehow for sometime, but
not really.
Still there is a workaround that is at least a little better than
unload/loading the module (which interrupts all connections and needs a
few
I ha tried turn the option, still have no luck. only connect to the wireless AP
few minutes.
CONTROL_RTL_POWER=0
kernel
2.6.32-trunk-amd64 #1 SMP Sun Jan 10 22:40:40 UTC 2010
RealTek driver
rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010
Here's my syslog
Mar 11 11:24:10 (none) NetworkManager: info Config:
Hello, I had the same result, only first boot up can connect to wireless
network on my lenovo X200 , after about one minutes, fail the connection the
following is /var/log/syslog, my home wireless network use WEP 64.
I compile from rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010 downloaded from RealTek's
I have had the same problems with a Medion Akoya 1222 on battery power
but then I tried the solution written in comment #159
(https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/401126/comments/159)
reinstalled the driver and now everthing is fine with WLAN
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I can confirm, that the driver is unusable when using the netbook on
battery power. It works for about a minute, but then just stops. Would
it be helpful to add output from syslog?
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For the other people on battery power, I've found that the driver works
well for a few minutes than loses the connection.
But to fix this all I have to do is reload the module
# rmmod r8192se_pci; modprobe r8192se_pci
Than reconnect to the network and it works perfectly... for another few
the driver adds some scripts to /etc/acpi, I am not shure what they are
supposed to do...
I will try to remove them. I'll post the results here tomorrow!
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#236
I'm also having the same issues with ThinkPad X100e, Karmic 64
2.6.31-19-generic. The driver works wonderful as long as it's plugged
in. using 14, is 15 available yet?
Thanks for all of your help, you guys rule!
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WOOHOOO Success Thanks Mike Steigerwalt! I had given up hope
and bought a usb wireless device which was pretty choppy online. I read
your post and decided to get the latest driver here:
These drivers have been working flawlessly for me on my Lenovo T400
until this kernel update. Anyone else have issues compiling this driver
against the newest kernel, 2.6.31-20?
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Disregard that last commentforgot sudo make install doesn't work.
Had to sudo su - first.
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well guys - you rock. i got my new netbook today and decided to try
lucid netbook remix (although it's sadly just 32bit). It worked like a
charm, except the wireless card wasn't recognized, so i googled and
after seeing so many people playing with ndiswrapper (i really thought
this ancient way
I am so glad to hear that this realtek chipset is supported in Lucid
Lynx
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#236
Could you share the source where you've got your
rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0015.0127.2010 from? Or if it's not easy to get,
could you upload rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0015.0127.2010, please? The
official Realtek site only provides rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010.
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Re: #235
Yes, The patch only disable the build macro DENABLE_LPS, because the
LPS feature caused the issue. The patch is for rtl8192se driver
release rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0015.0127.2010.
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Re: #232
Thanks for the info, but your patch does not work with
HAL/rtl8192/Makefile of rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010. Is there
any other update that I missed?
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Hm, I did not bother analyzing your patch. It's just the DENABLE_LPS
removal suggested by Kippenijzer. I'll try that.
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Re: #225
The issue should be caused by Leisure power save state of rtl8192se.
Using AC power, rtl8192se doesn't enter Leisure power save state, so
rtl8192 can maintain a good work state, but using Battery, rtl8192se
will enter Leisure power save state if rtl8192se is in the idle state,
and
Re: #232
Thanks a lot for this info. I'm not sure anymore whether I was running
on AC power when I saw the symptoms. I remember that I accidentally
disconnected the power cord at one point and realized only later; that
may very well have been the trigger for the bug.
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Re: #230
I'm currently running 10.04 alpha 2.
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Re: Mike Steigerwalt (#227):
- By the BIT6 spam and the networking issues, are you referring to #162?
- do you have a multi-core machine? If so, disabling ACPI may also disable all
cores but one. Could you check that your machine can still use all its CPU
cores? (cat /proc/cpuinfo).
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- Yes, I was referring to #162.
- And yes, it is a multi-core machine and both cores were running. I'm
not sure if the fan was running, however, since my laptop was running a
bit warm.
Mike Steigerwalt
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Fans don't seem to run on the 505s, regardless. What release (of
ubuntu) are you using?
On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Mike Steigerwalt
m...@mikesteigerwalt.com wrote:
Re: #228
- Yes, I was referring to #162.
- And yes, it is a multi-core machine and both cores were running. I'm
not
For those users who currently are using a toshiba p505-s8980 with an
RTL8191SE card, as I am, I have a solution that will solve the
networking issues. When booting, set acpi=off. I'm not sure why this
seems to magically fix the problem.
Once you boot with this setting, your wired will magically
I installed Debian GNU/Linux testing on a Toshiba Satellite U500-183
that seems to have this wireless device. I have this kernel installed::
ii linux-image-2.6.32-trunk-amd64 2.6.32-5 Linux
2.6.32 for 64-bit PCs
and downloaded rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010.tar.gz from
(followup for #225): Additional symptoms for the loss of connectivity:
# iwconfig wlan0
hangs, Ctrl+C has no effect
# cat /proc/net/wireless
hangs, Ctrl+C has no effect
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More info: I've been using the wireless adapter with ac power plugged in
for several hours and it seems OK. Strong signal and stable. So i think
the fact that the adapter starts having issues when these laptops are on
battery power has been thoroughly proven.
More importantly, though, I'm not an
I'm on a toshiba T135D-1324 (yay AMD!) similar to Mark above and get
the exact same behavior; on power supply = fine. On battery, very
unstable. I'll try to trigger the error and repost it below.
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Here's the error output. Ran for about 20 mins on battery before
failing. richmond is my wireless router essid
rtl819xSE :09:00.0: firmware: requesting RTL8192SE/rtl8192sfw.bin
rtl8192_SetWirelessMode(), wireless_mode:10, bEnableHT = 1
===rtllib_start_scan()
ADDRCONF(NETDEV_UP): wlan0: link
I'm experiencing the same behavior, on battery power its flaky, yet ac power is
fine.
Ubuntu 9.10 desktop x86_64, 0014 driver.
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Realtek RTL8192SE WLAN Card Fails to work on Medion Akoya E1312 Netbook
https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/401126
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Battery powered performance is abysmal. Works for about 5 minutes and
then goes down. My Tomato based router does not complain about
insufficient power from the laptop (at least what I could catch so far)
this time. Instead I see problems on my laptop's side. It complains that
signal level from
Using rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010 works on my Toshiba T135-1309
as long as my laptop is on AC power. If I unplug it, then it starts to
drop the connection and becomes unusable. I tried removing -DENABLE_LPS
from the makefile but then half of the access points (including the one
I want to
To clarify, for post #208, I am running:
Toshiba Satellite T135-S1309 w/rtl8192se
Ubuntu 9.10 desktop x86 with all of the latest updates as of this writing.
Linux toshiba 2.6.31-19-generic #56-Ubuntu SMP Thu Jan 28 01:26:53 UTC 2010
i686 GNU/Linux
However, having nothing to lose, I did a
Carlton,
If I am not mistaken, that is not the same version, the chip in your
card should be the RTL8191SU, an USB version of the chip we have that is
RTL8191SE (the pcie version). I believe there are two in kernel modules
for that chip, one on the main kernel bench that is ate the time
Toshiba Satellite T135D AMD 64 bit.
tried versions :
rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0010.1211.2009
rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0013.1204.2009
and the wireless would not stay up with any load on it, plus the IOMM messages
and it would disable it's self.
Just tried rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0014.0115.2010 and it worked
Unfortunately I must retract my earlier comment about the 0014 version
working perfectly on the Asus 1201n. Turns out it does run fine on A/C,
but when I switched to battery power the problems resurfaced. After
wasting another couple more hours troubleshooting it, I've given up.
Just finished
Just purchased an Asus 1201N and installed Ubuntu 9.10 amd64 on it. I
too have been running into non-stop problems getting wireless working.
First I tried the ndiswrapper driver, but as it's 32bit and my OS is 64,
it wouldn't load. I found this thread and tried all the various modules
and patches,
Dear lzming,
sorry for the late answer, I was on a business trip almost the whole
month. I use rtl8192se_linux_2.6.0013.1204.2009 and see no problem with
mem of 4G. But I get kernel panic when I do connection sharing with
NetworkManager, when one tries to connect to my laptop. Should I try the
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