[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-11-30 Thread sudodus
I am finishing the test with a persistent live system made with mkusb after two nights. I did not let mkusb change 'what to do, when security updates are detected', so the corresponding system from the 16.04.1 LTS iso file would perform unattended upgrades. The used drive space increased from 66

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-11-27 Thread sudodus
I am finishing the long time test now after the second night. There were no unattended upgrades in this Ubuntu live system. I can confirm that the bug-fix works in a live-only system :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-11-26 Thread sudodus
I am running a long time test now (since approximately 24 hours). There are fresh security updates (for example of python), that appeared after October 26 when the daily iso file was saved. It is promising; I think the bug-fix works, but I will let it run for a second night before I finish this

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-31 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package casper - 1.376.2 --- casper (1.376.2) xenial-proposed; urgency=medium * Make scripts/casper-bottom/53disable_unattended_upgrades executable. (LP: #1619188) -- Brian Murray Tue, 11 Oct 2016 09:32:27 -0700 ** Changed in:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread sudodus
Too bad that we were not told at once, that we must start with an iso file that already has your fix. The tip to add xenial-proposed and upgrade caused a lot of FUD and extra work. Comments 32,57: --- Please help us by testing this new package. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread Brian Murray
On Thu, Oct 27, 2016 at 08:00:42PM -, sudodus wrote: > So it is not possible to use your fix in a live-only session. It is possible to use the fix in a live-only session, you just need to use a daily build or wait for the 16.04.2 iso. > What about a persistent live session? Will casper do

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread sudodus
So it is not possible to use your fix in a live-only session. What about a persistent live session? Will casper do these things before the overlay structure is read or after? In other words, is is necessary that the fix is included in the iso file to work? -- You received this bug notification

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread Brian Murray
Oh, I think I get it now. casper makes changes at boot so updating to the new version from an already booted image won't do anything. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread sudodus
** Attachment added: "persistent-live-terminal-dialogue.txt" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1619188/+attachment/4768326/+files/persistent-live-terminal-dialogue.txt -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-27 Thread sudodus
The tests started yesterday can be described like this: 1. I tested the Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS desktop amd64 iso file. 2. To be completely sure, I created two USB boot drives with the Ubuntu Startup Disk Creator (not that it would clone differently from mkusb, but anyway, just in case. 3. I

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-26 Thread C.S.Cameron
I will be watching for your results, I have not been able to get persistent partitions working with 64bit 16.04 using UNetbootin or SDC. Drive fails to boot similar to having a full casper-rw. On Wed, Oct 26, 2016 at 10:16 AM, sudodus <1619...@bugs.launchpad.net> wrote: > Even if it works for

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-26 Thread sudodus
Even if it works for you with a live seesion, it does not work for me with a persistent live session using a casper-rw partition. starting from the Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS iso file. I don't think mkusb has anything at all to to with this functionality because it does not touch the mechanism (unless you

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-26 Thread Brian Murray
I created an Ubuntu USB disk using usb-creator-gtk using the Xenial daily iso from 20161025. I booted the usb disk and discovered that all the settings are as they should be and running unattended-upgrades does nothing. I'm marking this as verification done as mkusb is not a tool which is

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-18 Thread sudodus
I am very sorry, but the persistent live system I started yesterday fell for the temptation to upgrade unattemded. The used space increased from 259 MiB to 1,3 GiB. See the attached screenshot. -o- Are there other things, that have changed between the released 16.04.1 LTS and the current daily

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-18 Thread sudodus
I started another persistent live session from the released Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS amd64 iso file. There are several security updates, for example for tzdata (f-->g) tzdata: Installed: 2016f-0ubuntu0.16.04 Candidate: 2016g-0ubuntu0.16.04 I have upgraded casper and I will expose this system for

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-18 Thread sudodus
Oct 14: [ubuntu/xenial-security] tzdata 2016g-0ubuntu0.16.04 (Accepted) Adam Conrad [ubuntu/xenial-security] openjpeg2 2.1.0-2.1ubuntu0.1 (Accepted) Marc Deslauriers Oct 17: [ubuntu/xenial-security] ffmpeg 7:2.8.8-0ubuntu0.16.04.1 (Accepted) Marc Deslauriers tzdata - up to date (was it

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-18 Thread Brian Murray
You could look at the xenial-changes mailing list and look for messages with the subject xenial-security. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/xenial-changes/2016-October/date.html -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-18 Thread sudodus
The test system has been running for 3 days and nights now, and there has been no unattended upgrade. So either no security upgrade have been uploaded, or the bug-fix works, even with the current settings of the file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades Anyway, you can see the attached

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread sudodus
You can check with a live-only session booted from a pendrive (or DVD disk) cloned using usb-creator-gtk, dd, or mkusb. The file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades is exactly like the one I uploaded from my persistent live session. But it is not used, when 'Display immediately' is

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread sudodus
mkusb can modify the apt settings for persistent live drives, but that is to avoid unattended upgrades, and it changes the visual status seen at the 'Updates' tab in 'Software & Updates'. Otherwise mkusb clones the iso file to a partition and extracts some boot stuff (for grub booting) to

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Murray
I installed synaptic and launched it and the settings did not change. I launched and fiddled with software-properties-gtk and the setting did not change. I guess that just leaves mkusb. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Murray
I booted a Xenial Live CD, dated 20161014, and the security pocket was disabled in 50unattended-upgrades furthermore running unattended- upgrades -v did not show "xenial-security". -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread sudodus
Most of it is commented away, but this is active: --- Unattended-Upgrade::Allowed-Origins { "${distro_id}:${distro_codename}-security"; }; --- ** Attachment added: "50unattended-upgrades"

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread Brian Murray
What are the contents of /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-14 Thread sudodus
I'm afraid, that we need another bug-fix. There was not much to upgrade, when the test system 'tried' to upgrade, and left the following 'unattended-upgrades.log' --- 2016-10-14 15:43:22,573 INFO Initial blacklisted packages: 2016-10-14 15:43:22,573 INFO Initial whitelisted packages:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-13 Thread sudodus
I started a test using the Ubuntu Xenial amd64 current daily iso file (dated 20161013). I created a *persistent live* drive with mkusb (and selected not to use the mkusb tweak to stop unattended upgrades). The new casper 1.376.2 was in the -proposed repo but not in the iso file, so I updated &

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-13 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello sudodus, or anyone else affected, Accepted casper into xenial-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.376.2 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository. Please help us by testing this new package. See

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread ventrical
@brian-murray Ok.. thanks for that clarification. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications about

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread Brian Murray
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 02:20:04PM -, ventrical wrote: > @nio > > I used xenial. I tried to leave report at U+1 but forums are down ? > > here is what I pasted: > > 2016-10-12 03:31:14,661 INFO Initial blacklisted packages: > 2016-10-12 03:31:14,661 INFO Initial whitelisted packages: >

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread Brian Murray
On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 06:20:10AM -, sudodus wrote: > The tests of Ubuntu Yakkety current daily and the previous daily (dated > 20161003) have similar results after the night. The biggest files in the > casper-rw partition are apt cache files, as described in post #29. But > there are also

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Re-closing the yakkety task since this does work on yakkety. For those trying to test on xenial, you'll need to wait for casper 1.376.2, still in the unapproved queue. xenial doesn't have security updates every day so testing the latest daily image often will not trigger this bug overnight. **

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread ventrical
@nio I used xenial. I tried to leave report at U+1 but forums are down ? here is what I pasted: 2016-10-12 03:31:14,661 INFO Initial blacklisted packages: 2016-10-12 03:31:14,661 INFO Initial whitelisted packages: 2016-10-12 03:31:14,661 INFO Starting unattended upgrades script 2016-10-12

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread sudodus
Learning something new again :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications about this bug go to:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread Jeremy Bicha
There are no security updates for yakkety yet since it's not been released. Note comment #45. ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Yakkety) Status: Fix Released => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Re-opening the yakkety task then. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications about this bug go to:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread sudodus
Correction: because more packages have changed is the iso file was created --> because more packages have changed after the iso file was created -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-12 Thread sudodus
The tests of Ubuntu Yakkety current daily and the previous daily (dated 20161003) have similar results after the night. The biggest files in the casper-rw partition are apt cache files, as described in post #29. But there are also some pyc (python cache?) files and I found even an executable

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
What I did (via mkusb) is described in posts #4 and #5, and it works, when I test it. That will also change the visual output of the 'Updates' tab in 'Software & Updates'. (Seen in the attachment to post #41). -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread Brian Murray
The file 53disable_unattended_upgrades, located in /usr/share/initramfs- tools/scripts/casper-bottom is not executable so presumably it didn't get run and the -security pocket is still enabled in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended_upgrades. -- You received this bug notification because you are a

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
I started a similar test using the Ubuntu amd64 Yakkety, an earlier daily iso file that I tried before (dated 20161003). It is also a persistent live system running in another computer. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
I started a test using the Ubuntu amd64 Yakkety current daily iso file alias release candidate (dated 20161008). I created a *persistent live* drive with mkusb (and selected not to use the mkusb tweak to stop unattended upgrades). I'm looking forward to the result tomorrow, if there are any

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
I think we have to check Yakkety again, just to make sure it does not 'get tempted' to install security updates, when they arrive during the night. If it fails, there is no time to fix it (before Yakkety is released), but at least, there can be a release note about it, also describing how to work

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
** Tags removed: verification-needed ** Tags added: verification-failed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
** Attachment added: "xenial-pers-live-unattended-update-2.png" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/1619188/+attachment/4759157/+files/xenial-pers-live-unattended-update-2.png -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-11 Thread sudodus
The fix in xenial does not work. This morning the used space in casper- rw had increased from 66 MiB to 449 MiB (unattended upgrade). See the attached file (in this comment and the next comment), xenial-pers-live-unattended-update-1.png xenial-pers-live-unattended-update-2.png ** Attachment

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-10 Thread sudodus
I tested yakkety earlier. Now I am testing xenial. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications about

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-10 Thread ventrical
@nio is that yakkety or xenial you are testing overnight? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-10 Thread ventrical
@jbicha, Thank you for your reply. This makes it a whole lot easier to deploy. regards.. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-10 Thread sudodus
Alongside your test, ventrical, I started a test using the Ubuntu amd64 current daily iso file (dated 20161009). I created a *persistent live* drive with mkusb (and selected not to use the mkusb tweak to stop unattended upgrades). I'm looking forward to the result tomorrow, if there are any

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-10 Thread sudodus
Maybe you need casper 1.379, which is avaiable in Yakkety, while casper 1.376.1 in Xenial is a different version, which might or might not work correctly. I think casper 1.376.1 is available via xenial-proposed. If you get it via the daily iso file, fine :-) -- You received this bug

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-09 Thread Jeremy Bicha
ventrical: Yes, casper 1.376.1 is listed at http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/xubuntu/xenial/daily-live/current/xenial- desktop-amd64.manifest -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-09 Thread ventrical
My question would be: Will this fix be in the xenial/daily/current amd64.iso if I zsync the image ? Regards -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Martin Pitt
Hello sudodus, or anyone else affected, Accepted casper into xenial-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/casper/1.376.1 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository. Please help us by testing this new package. See

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread sudodus
@ bryan-murray, I looked for file dates in /var/lib/apt/lists/ to confirm your suspicion, and I think you are right. See the attached file. There was no increase in drive space used after the second night compared to after the first night, so I am convinced that the bug-fix works :-) **

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Brian Murray
** Description changed: Test Case - 1) Boot an Ubuntu 16.04 Live CD 2) Choose Try Ubuntu 3) head -n5 /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades 4) Observe -security is enabled in line 3. (// is a comment) 5) Run /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily - 6) Observe your Live

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Brian Murray
** Description changed: - Looking at the persistent live Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system - the Software & - Updates screen / Update - I notice, that Automatic updates is set to - 'Download and install automatically'. This is bad in a persistent live - system. + Test Case + - + 1) Boot an Ubuntu

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Brian Murray
I reported the software-properties bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software- properties/+bug/1630731 -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Brian Murray
With regards to comment #27 this is probably because package list updating is still enabled, /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/10periodic, and I think that's fine. You could look for file dates in /var/lib/apt/lists/ to confirm my suspicion. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread Brian Murray
Comment #26 is due to a separate issue with software-properties and how it naively determines if security updates will be installed automatically. Here's the code in question: 143 def get_update_automation_level(self): 144 """ Parse the apt cron configuration. Try to fit a predefined use

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-05 Thread sudodus
After the first night, the used space in 'aufs', the root, had increased from 18M to 40M. I'm not sure if it is caused by a security upgrade or only growing log files, and I don't want to touch the system yet, I will let it run for at least one more night. Let us say that it was doing an

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-04 Thread sudodus
I will start the current daily Ubuntu (released Oct 3), and run it live (without persistence) overnight. I hope it works, but it makes me worried, that the 'Updates tab' states: When there are security updates: Download and install automatically If that statement is true, updates will be

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-03 Thread Brian Murray
** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Xenial) Status: Triaged => In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-03 Thread Brian Murray
After installing the system the -security pocket was enabled in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades. ** Also affects: casper (Ubuntu Xenial) Importance: Undecided Status: New ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Xenial) Status: New => Triaged ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-03 Thread Brian Murray
I tested this using a Yakkety image from 20161002 which included casper 1.379. The file /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades had the -security pocket commented out, and running /usr/lib/apt/apt.systemd.daily did not kill the system. I'd appreciate it if other people tested too, just to be

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-01 Thread sudodus
I'm looking forward to test it, when it arrives in the daily iso file :-) -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-10-01 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
This bug was fixed in the package casper - 1.379 --- casper (1.379) yakkety; urgency=medium * scripts/casper-bottom/53disable_unattended_upgrades: - Disable the security allowed origin as it can fill a live environment. (LP: #1619188) -- Brian Murray

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-30 Thread Brian Murray
** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Yakkety) Assignee: (unassigned) => Brian Murray (brian-murray) ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Yakkety) Status: Triaged => In Progress -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-30 Thread Brian Murray
It's trivial to recreate this by running /usr/lib/apt/apt.system.daily, the script called by /etc/cron.daily/apt-compat, on a Live CD. Just disabling the -security origin in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended- upgrades will fix it. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-15 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags removed: rls-y-incoming ** Also affects: casper (Ubuntu Yakkety) Importance: Medium Status: Confirmed ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu Yakkety) Status: Confirmed => Triaged -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-04 Thread sudodus
I tested a live only session with Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS amd64 last night and it did an unattended upgrade, and after that it used 726 MiB of the allocated space for the root file system: ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ df -h . Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on /cow1.9G 21M 1.9G 2% /

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-04 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
I'm unsubscribing from this report now. Feel free to subscribe me again if you have any further question. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-03 Thread sudodus
Right! I have never left a live xenial or yakkety system running overnight. I think, that it will also try to run the security upgrades, if you leave it overnight, but it is worth testing. A live system might survive one or more security upgrades with 4 GB RAM plus swap, but it would be a

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-03 Thread Jarno Suni
Do you have experience on how unattended upgrades behave in live-only systems? The permanent file system is mounted read-only, I suppose, so only RAM and maybe swap is available for writing, right? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-03 Thread sudodus
** Description changed: Looking at the persistent live Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system - the Software & Updates screen / Update - I notice, that Automatic updates is set to 'Download and install automatically'. This is bad in a persistent live system. After leaving the persistent live Ubuntu

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Jarno Suni
Alberto, just security updates are enabled by default now in most flavours. It is configured in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/50unattended-upgrades -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread sudodus
[The previous comment was a reply to Alberto] Jeremy, I think you are right. This is important not only for persistent live systems, but to live-only systems too. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu.

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread sudodus
You mean similar to what is done in Linux Mint, where there are different priority levels for the upgrades? It may help, but would be more difficult to implement, and can still cause problems, when the security upgrades accumulate. I do not say that people should ignore the need for security

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
I think unattended upgrades should be disabled by default on the live media since there isn't space for upgrades when the Ubuntu live images is run 1) from a DVD or 2) from the no-persistence that recent versions of usb-creator-gtk unconditionally uses or 3) as written by dd. I believe it's

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Jeremy Bicha
Things shouldn't break if you leave an Ubuntu iso running for a day or two. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
What if the security updates were the only enabled by default, and those were installed automatically? -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
In that scenario, changing the setting when running a live environment sounds good to me. ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu) Importance: Wishlist => Medium ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu) Status: Opinion => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread sudodus
Den 2016-09-02 kl. 18:21, skrev Alberto Salvia Novella: > Because most inexpensive modern USB drives will be able to handle that > amount of space without problems, I believe changing the default upgrade > method would be a drawback. > > For example a Kingston 32GB USB 3.0 drive costs as little as

Re: [Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread sudodus
Den 2016-09-02 kl. 18:21, skrev Alberto Salvia Novella: > Because most inexpensive modern USB drives will be able to handle that > amount of space without problems, I believe changing the default upgrade > method would be a drawback. > > For example a Kingston 32GB USB 3.0 drive costs as little as

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Alberto Salvia Novella
Because most inexpensive modern USB drives will be able to handle that amount of space without problems, I believe changing the default upgrade method would be a drawback. For example a Kingston 32GB USB 3.0 drive costs as little as 8€, and a Sandisk 8GB USB 2.0 drive costs 3€. The official

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-02 Thread Launchpad Bug Tracker
Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users. ** Changed in: casper (Ubuntu) Status: New => Confirmed -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread sudodus
I understand that the following format is better for patching: diff -u old-file newfile - ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ for i in *;do diff -u orig/$i .;done --- orig/10periodic 2016-05-24 16:48:53.0 + +++ ./10periodic2016-09-01 16:56:26.303618989 + @@ -1,3

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread Brian Murray
** Tags added: rls-y-incoming -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1619188 Title: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media To manage notifications about this bug go to:

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread sudodus
Would these changes be enough to change the setting from 'Download and install automatically' to 'Display immediately' in Ubuntu 16.04.1 LTS? - ubuntu@ubuntu:/etc/apt/apt.conf.d$ for i in *;do diff $i orig || echo "^^^ diff in $i";done 4d3 < APT::Periodic::Unattended-Upgrade "0"; ^^^ diff in

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread Ubuntu QA Website
This bug has been reported on the Ubuntu ISO testing tracker. A list of all reports related to this bug can be found here: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/reports/bugs/1619188 ** Tags added: iso-testing -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread sudodus
** Description changed: Looking at the persistent live Ubuntu 16.04 LTS system - the Software & Updates screen / Update - I notice, that Automatic updates is set to 'Download and install automatically'. This is bad in a persistent live system. After leaving the persistent live Ubuntu

[Bug 1619188] Re: Unattended upgrades can break persistent live media

2016-09-01 Thread sudodus
- This bug affects 16.04 LTS, 16.04.1 LTS and Yakkety. - Several flavours are affected. - Lubuntu is not affected. One screenshot is attached here. You find more screenshots at https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2335669=13538805#post13538805 ** Attachment added: