@paddy-landau, i'm aware of that ppa but no package for utopic yet.
unity version on utopic up to now is 7.3.1+14.10.20141016-0ubuntu1.
fyi, the patch on https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Unity-for-
Arch/tree/master/unity works :D
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@rezzafri See comment #42 for a patch that already whitelists the
systray.
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There is systray whitelist patch and other patches for arch here
https://github.com/chenxiaolong/Unity-for-Arch/tree/master/unity, right
now i am compiling for utopic with this patch
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It is a bit of a mixture. Looking at my status bar (with hacked unity) I
see an external (bought in) app - antivirus. Skype is sometimes quoted
by others.
I also see two internal icons, which are related to our internal
compliance.
I also have two IBM applications which are sold, and will try
Anton, the Skype package in the Ubuntu archives uses an application
indicator via sni-qt.
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Vdragon, see my 2014-02-24 comment for why the notification area can't
just be provided as an indicator.
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mpt, that doesn't seem to me a reason why we can't have a drop down area for
legacy apps. Yes their behaviour will be unpredictable for Ubuntu but it would
still work for legacy apps.
I run a corporate repository for 6000 users and we are having to fix each unity
version so our corporate apps
Anton: I'm interested in understanding the situation a little better:
1. Internal applications originally targeting eg. GNOME 2, and you're now
needing to run these under Unity.
2. Bought-in (external non-IBM) applications originally targeting eg. GNOME
2, and you're now needing to run
Hi,
Is it possible to implement a indicator for a place for those legacy software
icons? People may shut up if there's still a way to access them.
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Paddy, no it doesn't mean anything in particular, for the reasons I gave
you on January 6th.
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@mtp, I have reported the most important (for me) applications in
question and nothing has happened.
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varlesh, I published our reasons for removing the notification area four
years ago. http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/ If
the apps you list claim to work on Ubuntu but do not, please report bugs
to the developers of those apps.
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@mpt, you can explain all you want, but it doesn't change the fact that
this has broken a valuable part of Ubuntu. Does not the chorus of
complaints mean something to you? We know that we want the developers to
make their changes, but some developers simply just don't care (I know,
because I have
Liferea, Geary, Qutim, Venom and other necessary and good programs do not
working as they should on Ubuntu 14.04.
Why do you deprive users habits and why you trim features? Why?
Everything worked fine before, why should all break???
I'm upset and disappointed!
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Folks, all words were said and you already know how your users hate you
for this decision. You already know that users of Cryptkeeper, Audacious
and many more have to rely on PPA because you broke what was working
without any (even theoretical) advantage for them. But I'm soory
frustrated after
Dear Mark,
Since you are 'on' this thread...Please see this post from the perspective of
some one who has been an unabashed fan of Ubuntu, Canonical and your personal
investment into an open source OS with the aim of making it self sustaining
...all of which are noble goals and I fully
So, trusty is here and i'm desperately waiting for the ppa update
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Ed, as Paul Sladen explained in 2013-02-09, the notification area was
basically a set of tiny windows: a program could put anything in its
window, responding to clicks, right-clicks, double-clicks, drags, or
anything else, and doing anything in response, including opening menus
in any toolkit. As
Just wondering:
Would it be possible to create a new Ubuntu component that makes use of
the new indicator system ... to display stuff that would otherwise go
the system tray?
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Paddy, yes, it may help to contact the developers of those applications
-- though if they run their apps on Ubuntu at all, almost certainly they
have realized by now that their notification area items don't show up by
default.
The Ubuntu Developer site has a reference for using the indicator
Thank you for your reply, Matthew. I have already contacted the most
important of the apps in question, and while one of them was most
helpful and has changed the package, the others have not even replied,
such is their indifference.
I had understood you to mean that I should raise a bug report
Matthew, thank you for posting that link. It would have been useful if I
had had it when I previously requested third party developers to modify
their programs. It is notable that two of those developers have not even
bothered to reply to me; clearly, they don't care about Ubuntu (they
obviously
Paddy, if you know of other popular runtimes that allow graphical
applications with notification area elements to run on Ubuntu, where
their developers are likely to be unaware of Ubuntu, please report those
individually. (Anton's examples of C++ and Python don't fall into that
category: they're
Maxim, the reason for excepting Wine and Java is stated in the last line
of the bug description.
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Whereas my c++ and python developers also may not know that Ubuntu exists,
so I am forced to use a PPA back port in a 6000 user corporate deployment
as they have no plans to rework their code in the next 5 years.
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Matthew, the last line reads, … Java and Wine would be hard-coded as
the only software still able to use the menu bar as if it was a
notification area, because their developers don't necessarily know that
Ubuntu even exists.
You do realise that there are other developers who don't necessarily
Hey Mark, can you please comment on this.
According to the origin of this bug The application indicator system has been
in place for two years now, which should be long enough for applications to
adopt it.
Ok, i asked one of the (Debian) developers to consider to support it in some tk
app(so as
@Maxim Loparev
Thank you for making the effort to improve the Ubuntu desktop.
The status notifier specification is popular and mature enough that in
the half-decade since it was first published, most desktop toolkits have
implemented and integrated it.
You can find excellent documentation,
@Stephen
Thanks for the link.
design of one particular desktop environment that also happens to use code
that implements the specification
which developed this specification, forcefully dropped support of previous
specification with similar functionality and obviously lacking the direction
@bregama — … rather than commenting on a fixed and released bug…
Fixed? How can you say fixed? This bug has broken packages, caused
regressions, and fixed nothing whatsoever.
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@Paddy Landau
Not a single package in this bug is broken since they conform to the
published status notifier specification, a common public specification
developed through the freedesktop.org collaboration environment by a
number of individuals representing various desktop toolkits, including
but
@Stephen
Third-party software is free to implement the common specification or
not. Should they choose to not implement it or use the functionality if
available in their toolkit of choice, their software will not work well
on Ubuntu or many of its flavours. We hope they would choose to work
well
Hear Hear!
Been using this patch for quite some time now, so big thanks for maintaining
sanity for the desktop people.
However this previously working functionality is still spiralling in a downward
direction.
QT applications no longer show up in the systray and I've never had sni-qt work
at
I installed Unity from unity-systray PPA on 13.10, but systray doesn't
work.
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@milos-sd That's empty autobuild according to the diff from saucy
version
https://launchpadlibrarian.net/155818257/unity_7.1.2%2B13.10.20131014.1-0ubuntu1_7.1.2%2B13.10.20131014.1-0ubuntu1systray1.diff.gz.
The old patch can't be applied to the new sources, as it seems whole
Finally got around to updating to 13.10 and find my patch no longer
works. As Maxim stated com.canonical.Unity.Panel is not being used. So,
now my ppa just whitelists everything.
Again, the ppa is here:
https://launchpad.net/~timekiller/+archive/unity-systrayfix
to use it, of course:
sudo
Jason, thank you. We all appreciate your efforts.
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Will you release packages for 13.10? :)
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Skype no longer shows up in the indicator in 13.10, fresh install.
Needless to say, Skype is actively running, I just can't get to it to
control it without indicator...
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@Rainer, I suggest that you raise a new bug.
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desperately waiting for timekillers PPA update since upgrade to 13.10
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Mark, meanwhile what do you think about tcltk and JavaFX toolkits.
Shouldn't they exists in Ubuntu universe? To be precise i'm talking
about tkabber and davmail packages which broken by this amazing decesion
for more than a year now.
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Comment #84 : Sorry, Mark, I really thought that you no longer saw this
thread. I take back comment #83.
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Hello Paddy ;)
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Jason, Mark Shuttleworth does not receive comments from this bug. Please
add comments and your vote to the bugs listed in comment #81.
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Oop, they did it again - upgraded to 13.10 and my pidgin, workrave and
other apps disappeared from the indicator area :-(
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#80:
Please go to the following bugs and vote for each of them (click on the
green writing near the top-right of each page). It may be worthwhile
posting any relevant comments in those bugs, where applicable. Also,
raise a new bug report for each of Pidgin, Workrave and the other apps.
Bug
To belatedly add my $0.02:
I'm a user of Rackspace's backup product Jungle Disk
(https://jungledisk.com/). They provide Jungle Disk binaries for Linux,
even packaging them as DEBs, which has made it very convenient to use
with Ubuntu.
Unfortunately their software relies on a systray icon to
Luca: Just noticed the update. I've patched and uploaded a new version
to my PPA. Just waiting for the packages to get built now.
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@timekiller — is there any way for this to be automated? It would save
you a load of hassle.
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Please get systray indicator back, there are a lot of legacy
applications won't adopt to this like pidgin and stardict.
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I see that Bug #721431 is marked as a duplicate. But it is not a
duplicate; this bug says that we must disable certain apps, whereas Bug
#721431 says that the Skype app is disabled and should not be disabled.
Please remove that bug from the list of duplicates.
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Today my unity has been upgraded from
7.0.0daily13.04.18~13.04-0ubuntu1systray1 to
7.0.0daily13.06.19~13.04-0ubuntu1 and so no more systray :-(
May be that timekiller will update his PPA, but if you are impatient and
you want to apply his systray patch and rebuild Unity the command to use
for
@oriolpont You'll see an excellent workaround in comment #42.
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+1 about this decision is bad for usability and everything.
it breaks applications that are usually working just fine.
it was already bad enough that Ubuntu broke applications by default by not
letting them show up in the notifications area - see
Me I also use a few legacy programs that need the notification area. My
workaround (not mentioned yet): gnome-panel, with the notification
area applet.
I use a single, very small, non-expanded panel with this and other
applets I still use (invest applet, classic menu, and window selector)
in an
Thanks Ubuntu team ...
Guys, seriously, what the heck are you thinking about?
In 13.04 half of the apps which used the old good systray are now broken.
Unity way? no thanks.
Gnome team and canonical are breaking the ways we, linux users, were used to
for YEARS.
And you guys seem to walk
After using using 13.04 everyday for good couple months now, I just want
to come and let the team know just how aggravating this decision still
is every day. I don't care about Ubuntu's politics or disagreements with
Linux app developers who don't care to adopt the 'Unity way'. I care
that my
In my case it is davmail that has stopped working. (This is a java app
that is suddenly not working - beats me why, since java is supposed to
be in the hardcoded whitelist.)
I don't see the rationale here (not that someone cares). Since the
compatibility code is going to stay (Wine, Java), why
** Changed in: ayatana-design
Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released
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I just filed Bug #1192020 which describes how Nautilus' file copy dialog
cannot be reopened once closed due to it requiring the use of the system
tray whitelist.
It is ironic that while the application indicator system has been in
place for two years now, which should be long enough for
Thank-you @Olegch, I found 'stalonetray' fixed this new Unity bug. Now
my Chrome tray icon is back! More importantly, I can back up my laptop
again, as that software only appears as a tray icon.
Canonical is making everything so hard for regular Ubuntu users; every
time you upgrade now you have
Olegc #61, I think you have a very decent workaroud with stalonetray.
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I've upgraded from 12.04 LTS to 13.04 and for the moment I need to have some
important applications like SpiderOak and Druva InSync workig fine, so kudos to
#42 @Jason aka timekiller++ for his work, it works for me like a charm.
I'm a Unity fan, but it is not affordable for me to give up on
@Luca, FYI SpiderOak has released a new version that now uses an
AppIndicator. I notified them about the upcoming changes several months
ago, they made some noises about fixing it in time for Raring, and lo
and behold! They did it just in time for the release.
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#42 Jason, you are the best! You just beat all superheroes at once in
Fight against evil corporation contest.
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I'm happy to share with you that I already got a positive response from
Druva about AppIndicator:
http://gsfn.us/t/2yv3x
I'm quite convinced that time is not yet mature to be so drastic in
abandoning the systray.
Luca
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I also miss this functionality and would prefer this to be available out
of the box in Ubuntu.
Meanwhile I found that stalonetray works very reliably as a replacement.
You can also try trayer.
Note that stalonetray requires some configuration, at least put the following
in ~/.stalonetrayrc
So, just updated to 13.04 and don't see Java icons from davmail. What
should i do?! Hipotetically, as i come here from this page
https://launchpad.net/~timekiller/+archive/unity-systrayfix.
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@3vi1 - Reading the comments, I understand that this feature request was
designed specifically to deliberately break applications that do not
adhere to the standards that Canonical has adopted.
It is a pity, but we're unfortunately stuck with it.
If you have applications that break (you can test
Was this 'bug' (actually wishlist) written backwards such that the 'Fix
released' means Wont Fix/breaking stuff, or am I reading that wrong?
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Fix Released in Unity Unity 7.0.0 R series.
** Changed in: unity
Status: Fix Committed = Fix Released
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Goodbye Ubuntu! You are not for human beings anymore... :-(
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A wishlist bug that breaks third-party software becomes high priority
because of its origin, rather than being evaluated on its technical
merits? It seems that the real intent behind many of Canonical's recent
decisions is to make ubuntu break away from the larger linux community.
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For a start, it enables us to offer predictable and reliable keyboard
access to system menus.
How can this be so, when Wine and Java apps are still supported? What
makes them different than any other app that doesn't support
appindicator? Isn't the fact that they are exceptions somewhat of an
So as Jason said ... Java and wine get a pass ... for how long?
And Jakob is right ... enterprise LTS users can stay on 12.04 for the
next years; but there are other enterprise users who will want to update
on a regular base; and not all of them might want to add yet another ppa
to fix this.
So,
Chris Giltnane and Ed Guenter: If you are under the impression that
switching to RHEL will preserve the notification area, you should know
that you'll just be jumping from one melting ice floe to another.
https://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Design/Guidelines/MessageTray/Compatibility
Ma Xiaojun:
mpt it seems your assumption is that we want to go, we don't, we really, really
don't want to leave unity and Ubuntu. I am not a developer just a user but I
have tried to help out with bug submissions and testing in the past. The
problem we have is that we are being left with a stark choice, go
On 02/14/2013 09:55 PM, mike stewart wrote:
Maybe whats missing in the communication is something like: We're hoping
that if we enact this change now, it'll bring to light the applications
that need to be fixed, and together we'll be able to fix them by the
time we get to 14.04 LTS. That
Mark,
I fully understand the desire to move forward with Unity. I don't see how this
change does that. Let me explain (and please, correct me where I am wrong):
* This is not a bug/security fix, no exploit is being fixed by removing the
whitelist
* This is not a performance enhancement. There
On 02/15/2013 01:25 PM, Jason Donahue wrote:
You keep mentioning moving forward, but I have yet to see an
explaination of what *specifically* turning this off accomplishes other
than disappointing anyone who still needs systray.
For a start, it enables us to offer predictable and reliable
Mark,
Thank you for answering. At least now I understand *why* you are doing this
beyond we want to. And thank you for keeping the project open source so I can
say no to your no :)
For anyone interested, I have scripted a process that will check for
updates to the raring unity package sources,
I understand Mark's approach, at least for apps which aren't included in
the repos, e.g. Truecrypt. Canonical has never claimed to support them.
For business users the LTS releases are recommended, anyway. With Ubuntu
12.04 they can still use systray for another 4 years. Then Ubuntu with
Unity is
Maybe I'm missing the benefits of this change, but from my viewpoint,
this change (1) removes choice and (2) lacks any utility or benefit;
other than to draw a line to divide those that support Ubuntu from those
that don't. Sounds a lot like Apple or Microsoft, or maybe George Bush:
My way or the
It's obvious Canonical is notgoing to listen to it's users here, so I
have taken the steps necessary to make Ubuntu/Unity a usable
environment. I have reverted this change and posted a ppa here:
https://launchpad.net/~timekiller/+archive/unity-systrayfix
to use it, of course:
sudo
I just don't see the reason why this had to be done. Why not leave it an
option? Whitelisting is already hidden enough from the casual end-user
so that s/he could not break it, but allows us to easily add legacy app
support. And it worked. It worked just fine, in 99% of cases (in my
particular
Jason, you might want to try to make a package recipe to automatically
merge in the reverting of the commit from the latest Ubuntu code
(publish a branch where it is done first).
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Working in the same company as Chris Giltnane does ... I can only agree.
If whitelisting stays disabled ... unity turns useless for me and the other
ubuntu users in our company.
We will either turn to kubuntu/xubuntu ... or Redhat or Windows. If that is
where you want to us to turn to, fine.
Mark, I full appreciate your position and agree with direction, but you
need to understand that this change would push nearly all enterprise
users back to RedHat or even to things like Mint.
2009 is recent in enterprise terms, so spare a thought for those apps
which have yet to be revisited for
at least this is foss, i fully expect someone to host a PPA with this
commit reverted that people can use, so hopefully it shouldnt be too
much of an issue for people who do really need it.
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@Cliff
I'm not saying Canonical have to please everyone. I say a complitly different
thing. You need to listning to Costumers.
Look someone says in the first post this:
If the whitelist was retired, Java and Wine would be hard-coded as the only
software still able to use the menu bar as if it
Miguel/Cliff: it's a bit of a backronym, but perhaps think of it this
way. We have the *buntu core (kernels, system libraries, brand, fonts,
…) on top of which are built several optimised distributions (remixes):
KDE: [Ku]buntu
LxDE: [Lu]buntu
XDE: [Xu]ubuntu
Unity: [U]buntu
Gnome3
@Paul
First, i don't imply Ubuntu Phone OS or Ubuntu TV is cool because I
think is cool. I say the vision is cool, have a unique OS for all, that
was what I was saying. Like have the possibility to go to a reunion and
use my phone and not have to carry my Laptop.
Second, Canonical have the right
Except some old school cooperate software that mentioned somebody
else.
What about IBus, the default input method framework of Ubuntu.
It doesn't support AppIndicator yet.
On the other hand, it's the Ubuntu specific have half-broken patch make it play
with Ubuntu.
I believe Pidgin is compatible with the indicators.
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mariusko, here the latest Pidgin version just has the option System
Tray Icon, but this option does not work anymore and I cannot find any
indicator options...
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There are some popular cross platform apps like Truecrypt and Dragondisk
without indicator support.
Vino also needs whitelisting because otherwise you won't recognise
established remote desktop connections.
Gnome Phone Manager, Artha, Cryptkeeper - just to mention some other
Linux apps which
James: I think a lot of it is about works with Ubuntu vs. works
against some APIs that were made 10 years ago, and which most/some
Unices' Windows Managers have supported at some time. For stuff to
work with *the Ubuntu experience* some effort will be required; this is
much the same as following
Jason Donahue,
Shutter (the screenshot app) is Perl and has appindicator support, I
don't know the implementation details but you could perhaps ping the
author of the application: https://launchpad.net/~mario-kemper
Maybe there's a workaround we can post on the appindicator specs pages
for Perl
Oh man, I've just come across this bug as a result of testing 13.04 and,
along with a number of other people, finding serious problems with this.
It is a terrible decision!
Why?
1. If the whitelist was retired, Java and Wine would be hard-coded as
the only software still able to use the menu
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