** Package changed: php5 (Ubuntu) => php7.0 (Ubuntu)
** Changed in: php7.0 (Ubuntu)
Milestone: ubuntu-16.02 => None
** Tags removed: upgrade-software-version
** Tags added: needs-packaging
** Also affects: ubuntu-seeds
Importance: Undecided
Status: New
** Changed in: ubuntu-seeds
While I appreciate everyone's input, at this point, this bug is
done/closed :) If you have a problem with a particular package provided
by Ubuntu, please file a new bug.
Thanks!
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I am going to skip over the already addressed php 7 dooms 16.04LTS from
"servers" outside of saying it's the only thing our managed VPS clients
have been talking about for months, some even postponing projects
launched on our systems until 16.04LTS was available, all because of it
shipping with
I'm co-ordinating the gophp7-ext initiative, if there are still some
extensions missing, can you let me know which ones? I'm not aware of
very many major extensions in pecl that don't have an update available
at this point. Modern PHP 5 code will run on PHP 7 with few or no
amendments - adoption
@r5n Name those PECL extensions. General statements are not useful to
anybody.
As a counter "general statement" - no, adopting PHP 7 will not take
years, it's already happening and it's not such huge deal as PHP 4 to
PHP 5 transition. Most if not all of the PHP 5.6 compatible code run
just fine
PHP7 is incompatible with many PECL extensions which are used by a LOT
of websites, and are therefore VERY popular.
Any release of Ubuntu which doesn't include PHP5.6 out of the box, is
going to be a non-starter in the server world. PHP7 is just too new.
No one has had time to adapt all of the
@Robie: Fully agree on that. It was just for the record so nobody thinks
this is a security enhancement like isolating PHP5 with LX* but rather a
way for still migrating a server to xenial. Beside the container hype
it's by nature more complex and tricky to do isolation with containers
than
> LXD/LXC got some security problems as Matthew Garrett pointed out.
This is irrelevant to this use case. If you're prepared to run PHP5 on
your host, then running it inside a container on that host instead can
leave you no worse in security terms even if you assume that containers
provide no
@Nish Sorry for the late reply:
> 3 years *should* be sufficient time to move to PHP7.0 -- but that's
just my opinion (and wouldn't PHP5 be out of support by then anyways?)
In theory yes, but in practice not. I.e. my company just launched a
Drupal 7 project last week and won't except a relaunch
On 12.04.2016 [09:28:47 -], bhat3 wrote:
> @Nish thanks for clarification :) I can fully understand the decision,
> but it's still a burden for any PHP5 project there having only a three
> year LTS from Ubuntu left. Just been to a Drupal Conference this weekend
> and for example we will
@Nish thanks for clarification :) I can fully understand the decision,
but it's still a burden for any PHP5 project there having only a three
year LTS from Ubuntu left. Just been to a Drupal Conference this weekend
and for example we will probably never see Drupal 7 in production "on
anything"
On 11.04.2016 [08:53:49 -], bhat3 wrote:
> @Nish You mean the only available PHP in main or did i miss something
> about php5.6 in universe?
There are no PHP5 options officially provided in the repositories in
16.04, in main or universe. The issue becomes, if we have PHP5
officially in
@Nish You mean the only available PHP in main or did i miss something
about php5.6 in universe?
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@Nish Thank you so much! Where can I donate?
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Just an FYI to all, php5 has been removed from Xenial and php7.0 is the
only available PHP in 16.04!
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On 01.04.2016 [06:05:01 -], Christian Sarrasin wrote:
> @nacc,
>
> I'm really sorry to pester as you must be v. busy at this point but is
> there a definitive word on what's going to happen with 16.04 GA? It's
> only 3 weeks away and people are having to plan out what release they'll
> be
On 01.04.2016 [06:05:01 -], Christian Sarrasin wrote:
> @nacc,
>
> I'm really sorry to pester as you must be v. busy at this point but is
> there a definitive word on what's going to happen with 16.04 GA? It's
> only 3 weeks away and people are having to plan out what release they'll
> be
@nacc,
I'm really sorry to pester as you must be v. busy at this point but is
there a definitive word on what's going to happen with 16.04 GA? It's
only 3 weeks away and people are having to plan out what release they'll
be deploying in the near future.
FWIW as a service provider, I'm squarely
@nacc,
I'm really sorry to pester as you must be v. busy at this point but is
there a definitive word on what's going to happen with 16.04 GA? It's
only 3 weeks away and people are having to plan out what release they'll
be deploying in the near future.
FWIW as a service provider, I'm squarely
I'm not able to help with this at the moment, but I sent an e-mail to
the package maintainers letting them know. Hopefully they'll get in
touch.
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I'm not able to help with this at the moment, but I sent an e-mail to
the package maintainers letting them know. Hopefully they'll get in
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@bhat3, @colan,
Thank you very much for the feedback. I just submitted a debdiff in Bug
# 1544352 for drupal7 as it is in 16.04 to change the deps to PHP7. It
does work, in that I can setup a very basic instance and it ... runs :)
But I don't really have the bandwidth to test it further. While I
@bhat3, @colan,
Thank you very much for the feedback. I just submitted a debdiff in Bug
# 1544352 for drupal7 as it is in 16.04 to change the deps to PHP7. It
does work, in that I can setup a very basic instance and it ... runs :)
But I don't really have the bandwidth to test it further. While I
There are plans to get Drupal 7 working with PHP 7, but there are still
some issues remaining. With everything that's going on with Drupal 8, I
don't think folks have had a chance to jump into this too deeply just
yet. For more information, see https://www.drupal.org/node/2454439.
I wouldn't
There are plans to get Drupal 7 working with PHP 7, but there are still
some issues remaining. With everything that's going on with Drupal 8, I
don't think folks have had a chance to jump into this too deeply just
yet. For more information, see https://www.drupal.org/node/2454439.
I wouldn't
@Nish Yes Drupal 7 doesn't yet support 7.0 and as much as i like Debian
packages it makes more sense to deploy Drupal with Git.
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@Nish Yes Drupal 7 doesn't yet support 7.0 and as much as i like Debian
packages it makes more sense to deploy Drupal with Git.
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@colan, to clarify, I believe drupal7 does *not* support PHP7.0, is that
accurate? Currently niether debian nor ubuntu have a packaged version of
drupal8.
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@colan, to clarify, I believe drupal7 does *not* support PHP7.0, is that
accurate? Currently niether debian nor ubuntu have a packaged version of
drupal8.
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FYI, PHP 7.0 is in main now (7.0.4-5), and several extensions with
build-dependencies from universe are in universe. We are still working
on the removal of PHP5, but I think this bug can be marked fix release
as we are using other bugs to track specific actions.
** Changed in: php5 (Ubuntu)
FYI, PHP 7.0 is in main now (7.0.4-5), and several extensions with
build-dependencies from universe are in universe. We are still working
on the removal of PHP5, but I think this bug can be marked fix release
as we are using other bugs to track specific actions.
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In response to #53, speaking for the Drupal community, I'd like to
report that we have Drupal 8 passing on PHP 7. See
https://www.drupal.org/node/3060/qa for details.
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In response to #53, speaking for the Drupal community, I'd like to
report that we have Drupal 8 passing on PHP 7. See
https://www.drupal.org/node/3060/qa for details.
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@racb you're right, sorry.
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@racb you're right, sorry.
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This bug is whatever we (collectively, including you) want it to be. But
if you want it to be a subjective discussion about the pros and cons of
what Canonical should commit to supporting in main, then that's fine but
the developers actually doing the work will just start to ignore bug
comments
> since they are not productive
By this I mean that they are not productive to landing PHP 7 in main in
Ubuntu, which is the developers' direct goal for Xenial at the moment
and is what the bug title currently says this bug is for. I didn't mean
to imply that your comments are not productive;
This bug is whatever we (collectively, including you) want it to be. But
if you want it to be a subjective discussion about the pros and cons of
what Canonical should commit to supporting in main, then that's fine but
the developers actually doing the work will just start to ignore bug
comments
> since they are not productive
By this I mean that they are not productive to landing PHP 7 in main in
Ubuntu, which is the developers' direct goal for Xenial at the moment
and is what the bug title currently says this bug is for. I didn't mean
to imply that your comments are not productive;
@racb why isn't this the appropriate place to talk about the manner of
this update?
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@racb why isn't this the appropriate place to talk about the manner of
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Guys, please can you keep the noise down in here? I really appreciate
the community discussion, but doing it in this bug just creates noise
for the developers working on this. If you want to continue this
discussion, you're welcome to do it on the ubuntu-server mailing list
Guys, please can you keep the noise down in here? I really appreciate
the community discussion, but doing it in this bug just creates noise
for the developers working on this. If you want to continue this
discussion, you're welcome to do it on the ubuntu-server mailing list
@ondrej there are many features to be removed in PHP7. Of course,
already deprecated , but who manages hosting has no control over the
code that cannot work on PHP7.
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@ondrej there are many features to be removed in PHP7. Of course,
already deprecated , but who manages hosting has no control over the
code that cannot work on PHP7.
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@vinc-q @jegr An upstream unmaintained code would be total no-go, but
still having two versions of PHP in the main is a quite big burden for
Ubuntu folks.
I could afford to run PPAs with multiple PHP versions, because I have
the liberty of saying: "upstream bug, bummer" and do nothing about it if
@jstsch you need OpenSSL 1.0.2 for ALPN support (needed for proper
HTTP/2 negotiation), not included in Ubuntu 14.04. Why not give the
possibility to use http/2 with php5.6, since it is still supported and
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@vinc-q @jegr An upstream unmaintained code would be total no-go, but
still having two versions of PHP in the main is a quite big burden for
Ubuntu folks.
I could afford to run PPAs with multiple PHP versions, because I have
the liberty of saying: "upstream bug, bummer" and do nothing about it if
@jegr The folks who already have PHP code compatible with PHP 5.6
shouldn't have any problems updating to PHP 7.0. I would worry more
about the upgrade from PHP 5.3 in precise to PHP 5.5 in trusty.
If the customers could upgrade their code to PHP 5.6, they might as well
jump directly to PHP 7.0.
@jegr The folks who already have PHP code compatible with PHP 5.6
shouldn't have any problems updating to PHP 7.0. I would worry more
about the upgrade from PHP 5.3 in precise to PHP 5.5 in trusty.
If the customers could upgrade their code to PHP 5.6, they might as well
jump directly to PHP 7.0.
@jstsch you need OpenSSL 1.0.2 for ALPN support (needed for proper
HTTP/2 negotiation), not included in Ubuntu 14.04. Why not give the
possibility to use http/2 with php5.6, since it is still supported and
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Jens G. is right. In fact, the PHP community has extended the 5.6
support: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php56timeline
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Jens G. is right. In fact, the PHP community has extended the 5.6
support: https://wiki.php.net/rfc/php56timeline
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@jstsch I'm not trying to start a specific discussion about customers or
software but merely was pointing out that service providers or hosters
would actually profit from both package branches staying available
instead dropping one of them after freeze. And as both EOL dates are
nearly the same it
@ondrej I agree to some degree, as it would be reasonable to run xenial
under the hood, not only because of the base OS but the rest of the web
stack, too.
And as already stated, as PHP5.6/7 are supported from PHP to almost the
same EOL time now, so it's not about "please support old unmaintained
@ondrej I agree to some degree, as it would be reasonable to run xenial
under the hood, not only because of the base OS but the rest of the web
stack, too.
And as already stated, as PHP5.6/7 are supported from PHP to almost the
same EOL time now, so it's not about "please support old unmaintained
@jstsch I'm not trying to start a specific discussion about customers or
software but merely was pointing out that service providers or hosters
would actually profit from both package branches staying available
instead dropping one of them after freeze. And as both EOL dates are
nearly the same it
I'm not sure if this bug is the appropriate place to discuss this, but
can't your customers who require an older version of PHP simply stay on
14.04LTS? It is supported until 2019. Isn't that the whole point of LTS
releases?
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I'm not sure if this bug is the appropriate place to discuss this, but
can't your customers who require an older version of PHP simply stay on
14.04LTS? It is supported until 2019. Isn't that the whole point of LTS
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> So I wrote a php obfuscator for myself, that I made freely available under
> MIT license at https://github.com/pk-fr/yakpro-po
> Perhaps you could consider using it
We are a hosting and service company and only administer, consult and
service our customers. Their web agencies or
> So I wrote a php obfuscator for myself, that I made freely available under
> MIT license at https://github.com/pk-fr/yakpro-po
> Perhaps you could consider using it
We are a hosting and service company and only administer, consult and
service our customers. Their web agencies or
@jegr Just run Ubuntu Trusty for PHP 5.x, virtualization is nowadays
cheaper then dual PHP version maintenance. Or just have two sets of
machines on on Trusty and second on Xenial and migrate the customers
between those platforms.
The story with "foo doesn't support bar" is getting too old as
@jegr Just run Ubuntu Trusty for PHP 5.x, virtualization is nowadays
cheaper then dual PHP version maintenance. Or just have two sets of
machines on on Trusty and second on Xenial and migrate the customers
between those platforms.
The story with "foo doesn't support bar" is getting too old as
Jens G. said:
"there are a great many procucts out there, that don't have PHP7 compatibility
right now (and don't plan to in the near future). Even worse when throwing in
products like ZendGuard (*shiver*) into the mix, that don't support PHP7 yet
(ergo all encrypted stuff from them won't work
Jens G. said:
"there are a great many procucts out there, that don't have PHP7 compatibility
right now (and don't plan to in the near future). Even worse when throwing in
products like ZendGuard (*shiver*) into the mix, that don't support PHP7 yet
(ergo all encrypted stuff from them won't work
Maybe it's too late to throw my hat (and opinion) in, but from a
hosting/hoster perspective, that's really a double-edged sword. Of
course it would be splendid, if we could migrate all customers and
applications to PHP7 as soon as possible. But with PHP itself increasing
the support level of
Maybe it's too late to throw my hat (and opinion) in, but from a
hosting/hoster perspective, that's really a double-edged sword. Of
course it would be splendid, if we could migrate all customers and
applications to PHP7 as soon as possible. But with PHP itself increasing
the support level of
Bug # 1547245 filed - php7.0: remove dependencies that come from
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** Branch linked: lp:~nacc/ubuntu-seeds/ubuntu.xenial
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Assignee: (unassigned) => Nish Aravamudan (nacc)
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Bug # 1547183 filed - Remove php5 specific packages from the archive
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Hi Nish, that is amazing news. Thanks a lot!
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Hi Nish, that is amazing news. Thanks a lot!
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So a few points, feature freeze is today, but we have an exception
(effectively) for PHP7, while we wait on resources being available to
help me out (as I don't have appropriate rights yet -- and even if I did
the bootstrap of phpunit/symphony/doctrine would need an admin to
assist).
I have
So a few points, feature freeze is today, but we have an exception
(effectively) for PHP7, while we wait on resources being available to
help me out (as I don't have appropriate rights yet -- and even if I did
the bootstrap of phpunit/symphony/doctrine would need an admin to
assist).
I have
It would be nice to know definitively if PHP7 will be in Ubuntu 16.04 or
not. Because I (and I think people other than me) don't know if I can
write PHP7 or PHP5 code.
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It would be nice to know definitively if PHP7 will be in Ubuntu 16.04 or
not. Because I (and I think people other than me) don't know if I can
write PHP7 or PHP5 code.
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@rbasak @nacc zmq and imagick PECL extensions modified for PHP 7.0 have
been ACCEPTED into unstable today, if you still can import them...
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been ACCEPTED into unstable today, if you still can import them...
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> There's a PPA from phpmyadmin author somewhere...
Tried to find it, but without success. Would be nice if someone could
link it here.
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> There's a PPA from phpmyadmin author somewhere...
Tried to find it, but without success. Would be nice if someone could
link it here.
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> @bhat3 there's no direct dependency on apache2. php7.0 package just
pulls first SAPI and coincidentally it's libapache2-mod-php7. 0
Thanks for clarification :) Just followed Joost claim, altough i never
ran into that with PHP itself, but experienced that with PHP related
packages like
> @bhat3 there's no direct dependency on apache2. php7.0 package just
pulls first SAPI and coincidentally it's libapache2-mod-php7. 0
Thanks for clarification :) Just followed Joost claim, altough i never
ran into that with PHP itself, but experienced that with PHP related
packages like
So, if today is feature freeze for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, is there any word
yet if PHP7 is in or out?
I tested PHP7 and only had problems getting phpMyAdmin, but haven't
tried for a few days.
Really, it would be a shame if PHP7 were not in 16.04. I don't see much
else to desire for upgrade.
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So, if today is feature freeze for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS, is there any word
yet if PHP7 is in or out?
I tested PHP7 and only had problems getting phpMyAdmin, but haven't
tried for a few days.
Really, it would be a shame if PHP7 were not in 16.04. I don't see much
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This list of packages all successfully built and passed testing with a
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@bhat3 there's no direct dependency on apache2. php7.0 package just
pulls first SAPI and coincidentally it's libapache2-mod-php7. 0
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@bhat3 there's no direct dependency on apache2. php7.0 package just
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> 1) I was surprised that the PHP package seems to have a dependency on
Apache. I understood later that php can depend on a number of packages,
including php-fpm, and that Apache is simply the first it finds. No
biggie, something for the tutorials :)
@Nish Since Nginx it also in main it would be
> 1) I was surprised that the PHP package seems to have a dependency on
Apache. I understood later that php can depend on a number of packages,
including php-fpm, and that Apache is simply the first it finds. No
biggie, something for the tutorials :)
@Nish Since Nginx it also in main it would be
> > The php-fpm package currently refers to php5.6:
> Fixed in src:php-defaults_27
Just checked, can confirm its fixed using the latest server build and
the php-ubuntu/php7.0 PPA.
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> Fixed in src:php-defaults_27
Just checked, can confirm its fixed using the latest server build and
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> The php-fpm package currently refers to php5.6:
Fixed in src:php-defaults_27
JFTR php7.0-dev_7.0.3-4 also fixes building with new libtool (>=
2.4.6-0.1~) and as Xenial already have this libtool you need to merge
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> The php-fpm package currently refers to php5.6:
Fixed in src:php-defaults_27
JFTR php7.0-dev_7.0.3-4 also fixes building with new libtool (>=
2.4.6-0.1~) and as Xenial already have this libtool you need to merge
the update.
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> 2) The php-fpm package currently refers to php5.6:
Strange, it looks like php-fpm is missing from src:php-defaults, I'll
look into that.
> 4) I was a bit confused that the php-fpm service is called
php7.0-fpm.service, whilst the binary is called php-fpm7.0.
The service file is called after
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