Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-13 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 18:51 -0600, Conrad Knauer wrote: On Dec 12, 2007 2:36 PM, Kevin Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So going the other way from removing Mono, are there any mono-based libre software apps in the repos you'd like to see moved onto the default desktop? Not specifically. What

Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Conrad Knauer
Hmm... this ended up in sounder; should be in ubuntu-devel-discuss too. CK On Nov 28, 2007 4:49 AM, Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We are always looking for more ways to reduce CD size so that we can fit more things on the CD [...] There are various other targets of opportunity [...]

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Sebastian Heinlein
Am Mittwoch, den 12.12.2007, 05:06 -0600 schrieb Conrad Knauer: Mono by default takes 48MB of space on the CD. The ISO download is 690+ MB. Therefore, it is taking up valuable space that could be used for a whole host of other things. Also, for that 48MB, there are just two applications which

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 12:58 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: F-Spot and gThumb are very similar in capabilities on local images. Though F-Spot's interface is a little cleaner. But the big difference comes in Web2.0 integration. GThumb has none, while F-Spot integrates with Flickr, Picasa,

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Adilson Oliveira
Martin Owens escreveu: Users who want any of these applications can get them from the repositories; just because you like the applications doesn't make them good for inclusion by default. The argument seems to be that we should sacrifice 60MB of CD space for a handful of extra features. The

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Joel Bryan Juliano
On Dec 13, 2007 1:58 AM, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: F-Spot and gThumb are very similar in capabilities on local images. Though F-Spot's interface is a little cleaner. But the big difference comes in Web2.0 integration. GThumb has none, while F-Spot integrates with Flickr,

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Conrad Knauer
On Dec 12, 2007 1:37 PM, Joel Bryan Juliano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tomboy and F-Spot are two most useful and innovative Linux applications in the desktop, removing them will give non-geeks no reason to switch to Linux. Just an aside, what do you think of Miro? (its got the 'Web 2.0' look

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Martin Owens
Could you list some example of those things that would be nice there? Sure thing: Inkscape, Conduit, opensync, Glipper, firefox-adblock, rar-free, more languages, obex, gnome parition editor, audacity, gnomebaker, vim (real vim), PGP keys manager, open office draw, any kind of irc program, keep

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Martin Owens
Hang on a second, This is one of the reason why Linux in general only appeal to geeks, and why Windows is still the primary OS of choice for non-geeks. Tomboy and F-Spot are two most useful and innovative Linux applications in the desktop, removing them will give non-geeks no reason to switch

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Martin Owens
Use the carrot and back off on the whip by showing that they can tweak existing programs to gain mono But that doesn't require mono to be installed by default does it? we're not trying to prove a point by including this software are we? I hope not. Its about making the transition easier for

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Joel Bryan Juliano
On Dec 13, 2007 4:27 AM, Martin Owens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you list some example of those things that would be nice there? Conduit, opensync, Glipper, firefox-adblock, rar-free, more languages, obex, gnome parition editor, audacity, gnomebaker, vim (real vim), PGP keys manager,

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Kevin Fries
On Wed, 2007-12-12 at 15:46 -0500, Martin Owens wrote: I will even help you with one more I would like to see... Scribus. My mother uses this along with Inkscape for her scrap-booking (definitely not a geeky endeavor), and with a few tweaks to the descriptions, could be a very popular

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Milan
Kevin Fries wrote: I will even help you with one more I would like to see... Scribus. My mother uses this along with Inkscape for her scrap-booking (definitely not a geeky endeavor), and with a few tweaks to the descriptions, could be a very popular addition. I second that, but this adds

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Martin Owens
I'll have to answer some of these in the wrong order, and I've put it back on list since it's an important thread regardless. I for one am done with this conversation. You just don't seem to get it. I am not sure why you refuse to listen, but please, find another windmill OK? This is a

Re: Fwd: Mono (Re: New Programs for Hardy?)

2007-12-12 Thread Conrad Knauer
On Dec 12, 2007 2:36 PM, Kevin Fries [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: any kind of webcam management software, cheese I'll give you Inkscape and webcam, but I think the rest such as addons, vim, irc, gnome partition editor, etc really do need to stay in the repos. I'm going to second cheese; its