Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Michael Loftis
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 10:09 Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > > > Please, folks, if you want something idiot prove to use, pay much money > for Apple hardware and software! If you are willing to read the fine > and easy to understand manual and you don't need professional grade > {,nice} software, but

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Amit
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:54 PM Amit wrote: > > > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:28 PM Stephen Satchell wrote: > >> >> Amit, are you recommending that Canonical add that plug-in as part of a >> default install/instance of 20.04 et al? >> > > Yes, whoever or whichever company manages Ubuntu, they/it

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Thomas Ward
On 3/21/22 09:21, Amit wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:36 PM Joel Rees wrote: On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM Amit wrote: > >[...] > > There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. Menu? I suppose it is not technically a menu, but there is that

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Amit
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:28 PM Stephen Satchell wrote: > > Amit, are you recommending that Canonical add that plug-in as part of a > default install/instance of 20.04 et al? > Yes, whoever or whichever company manages Ubuntu, they/it should put applications menu by default on all flavors to make

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Amit
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:36 PM Joel Rees wrote: > On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM Amit wrote: > > > >[...] > > > > There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. > > Menu? > > I suppose it is not technically a menu, but there is that vertical > task-bar-like thing at the left of the

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Amit
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 6:28 PM Stephen Satchell wrote: > On 3/20/22 11:59 PM, Amit wrote: > > Older people and first time users (who don't have much prior experience > of > > using computers and also who don't know about different ubuntu flavors) > > will type something like "download ubuntu" in

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Joel Rees
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022 at 11:55 AM Amit wrote: > >[...] > > There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. Menu? I suppose it is not technically a menu, but there is that vertical task-bar-like thing at the left of the screen, and at the bottom of that is a pinpad thingy that brings up

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 3/20/22 11:59 PM, Amit wrote: Older people and first time users (who don't have much prior experience of using computers and also who don't know about different ubuntu flavors) will type something like "download ubuntu" in google search to download ubuntu. When you do this, currently, you

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Amit
On Mon, Mar 21, 2022, 12:24 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:24:33 +0530, Amit wrote: > >There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. > > Hi, > > I suspect that still several Ubuntu flavours have got an application > menu by default, much likely even for the latest release.

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:24:33 +0530, Amit wrote: >There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. Hi, I suspect that still several Ubuntu flavours have got an application menu by default, much likely even for the latest release. At least Xubuntu 20.04 has got an application menu by default,

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Amit
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:59 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 23:44:03 +0530, Amit wrote: > >I have used both windows and linux gui systems a lot. > > So you should be able to describe what from your point of few are the > pitfalls of a Linux desktop environment and the pros of

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022 at 1:14 PM Stephen Satchell wrote: > > On 3/20/22 8:38 AM, Amit wrote: > > The current default GUI of Ubuntu desktop is not very user friendly. > > Would you please be specific about what is missin or wrong that makes > Ubuntu desktop "not very use friendly"? What would, in

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Stephen Boston
Let's not lose sight of meeting the requirements and pleasing the taste of the current user base. Will my experience be improved by making the DE more like Windows? Nope! What real benefit do I find in the thought that more people are using my DE? The only users that count are the users we have

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 23:44:03 +0530, Amit wrote: >I have used both windows and linux gui systems a lot. So you should be able to describe what from your point of few are the pitfalls of a Linux desktop environment and the pros of Windows. As already pointed out, I suspect Jane the elementary

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >no WM at all Oops, I at least should correct this typo. It should read "no DE (desktop environment) at all". Of course, openbox is a WM (window manager). However, most new users nowadays are likely in favour of a desktop environment that

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Amit
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 11:37 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows > to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users > of my age or who are way older than I am. > > My first machine with something Microsoft alike was

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows >to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users >of my age or who are way older than I am. > >My first machine with something Microsoft alike was

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users of my age or who are way older than I am. My first machine with something Microsoft alike was an Atari ST with a 80286 hardware emulator, IOW a PCB

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Amit
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:57 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:38:56 +0530, Amit wrote: > >On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:27 PM Ralf Mardorf > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on > >> almost all discounter desktop computers (and

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:38:56 +0530, Amit wrote: >On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:27 PM Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > >> >> Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on >> almost all discounter desktop computers (and laptops...). "Available >> by default" isn't the same as easier to use. >>

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Stephen Satchell
On 3/20/22 8:38 AM, Amit wrote: The current default GUI of Ubuntu desktop is not very user friendly. Would you please be specific about what is missin or wrong that makes Ubuntu desktop "not very use friendly"? What would, in your eyes, improve the desktop experience, particularly for the

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Thomas Ward
Okay, guys, with my community leadership hat on: before you read any further on this, don't take shots at each other, we're all on the same side here.  If you want to argue different points of view, do it in a civil tone, please don't call people "bogus" or fight with people about hardware,

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
I'm not interested in reading another market share link. I'm quite sure that most computer devices used via a GUI are smartphones and I doubt that Windows is the most used OS on smartphones. However, given that most desktop computers likely are equipped with Windows only, the market share still

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Henri Girard
with mate-desktop it can be personalize very quickly I think ubuntu is easier than w11 which is coming Le 20/03/2022 à 16:38, Amit a écrit : Hi, I was thinking about how to increase the user base of Ubuntu desktop. More and more people will use Ubuntu desktop if it (GUI, etc.) is easy to

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Amit
On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 9:40 PM Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 21:08:01 +0530, Amit wrote: > >Microsoft Windows is there on about 90% of all (computer) systems > >mainly because it is very easy to use. > > Hi, > > that's complete bogus for several reasons. > Read the article at the

Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

2022-03-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 21:08:01 +0530, Amit wrote: >Microsoft Windows is there on about 90% of all (computer) systems >mainly because it is very easy to use. Hi, that's complete bogus for several reasons. >Windows is not a great OS but it is so easy to use that first timers >and older people also