Re: Logon loop after upgrade

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

maybe the keyboard layout used by the display manager's greeter doesn't
fit the used keyboard. Perhaps the used greeter has got a panel that
allows to change the keyboard layout at login and it might be that this
can be changed by accident with the mouse wheel.

Some GUI designs are tricky. Very often users of the Evolution mail
client fear that they have lost all their read emails, but actually they
just changed a filter with the mouse wheel by accident, so that only
unread emails are shown.

Back to the keyboard layout. I for example use a German keyboard. If an
English keyboard layout is expected, some chars that are available by
both keyboards are assigned to different keys, y vs z, - vs /, _ vs ?
etc. If so, you can still log in, you just need to type different keys.

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Re: Brother MFC L2700DW an MX-Linux libsane-extras

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

auf Deutsch, das Paket gibt es offen sichtlich nicht mehr, die lange
Antwort in englischer Sprache: 

Hi,

On Thu, 2023-08-31 at 20:14 +0200, Norbert Nowicki wrote:
> sudo apt-get install -y libsane-extras
   ^^The computer god has been kind to you and
 that's why this package just doesn't exist.
 Next time APT::Get::Assume-Yes might damage
 your install

Such a package doesn't exist. Maybe those "extras" are merged into the
main branch, maybe there's another reason, consider to read changelogs.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sane-backends
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sane=names=kinetic=all

You probably want one of those packages:

libsane-common
libsane1 (a transitional package, actually for libsane)
sane-utils

Actually a package libsane-extra is also not available for Debian, so
this and similar hints are not useful:
https://askubuntu.com/questions/1414061/e-unable-to-locate-package-libsane-extras

Btw. to get English output you can run

LANG=C sudo apt-get install packagename
LANG=C sudo apt install packagename

With very few exceptions, Assume-Yes should be avoided. The best way I
can imagine using this option is in a long shell script that tests for
adversity beforehand. Using it interactively in the command line makes
no sense, but poses a risk.

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Re: Suggest enhancement to cp utility.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 15:31 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote:
> I want to know transfer statistics, i.e., max speed, min speed, avg 
> speed when I copy to/from a usb device to/from hdd/ssd.
> Please enhance cp utility to provide this info.  A cmdline switch could 
> request this report.

Hi,

the Internet provides a lot of alternative Linux commands in reply to
similar request's as yours. While you can get the wanted statistics,
those statistic gain you absolutely nothing, they will confuse you,
since such statistics do suffer from the same issue as a diff does, to
check the integrity of backups. Files might or might not be cached.

Benchmark tests are disputed, but there are certainly very good
scientifically based tests. If you would use rsync instead of copy, you
could get the wanted, but quite useless kB/s information.

How to do good benchmark tests has to do a lot with the skills of the
person doing the tests. Apart from the cache I provide another example
later.

> While shopping for usb cables, I discovered MOST USB cables are only 
> capable of usb 2.0 speeds (480 Mbps).

I don't experience the same. IOW it probably depends where you go
shopping for USB cables.

> I need more info from utilities and widgets.
> Can a usb driver detect the capabilities (transfer speed) of a usb 
> device/cable?

Checking the quality of a cable is tricky what ever tools/"meters" you
are using. It's possible to get reported information from a device, but
you cannot trust this information. The f3 tool for example can be used
to check if the reported size is correct or a fraud.

However, back to the speed and another example that make good benchmark
tests that difficult. USB3 unlikely is a bottleneck, more likely it's a
HDD behind the USB controller. Only buy HDDs if the dealer provides
information, if the HDD is a SMR or CMR. Note, the vendors started
selling HDDs from the same series that once were CMR, since a long time
ago as SMR. When using SMR the speed varies a lot.

Testing SSD speed is also a topic on its own. What are you doing that
SSD speed is that important to you? If SSDs should be a bottleneck, then
maybe you need to change your workflow or your setup (file system,
options, tmpfs etc.).

> The industry is getting away with obfuscation.

Yes and no, this is a topic on its own. Sometimes it's also related to
consumers who don't want to learn the truth. If you buy the most
expensive camera, but the cheapest lenses, the photos are much likely
less good than those made with the cheapest camera, but the most
expensive lenses. John and Jane consumer usually buy every now and than
a new camera in a bundle with kit lenses, instead to keeping the old
camera and buying decent lenses for the old camera.

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Re: ekiga not found

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

do you have a question?

Obviously this software hasn't been updated for 10 years, which could
possibly be the reason why it isn't made available through any
repository.

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Re: Icons on desktop

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 2023-03-03 at 10:18 -0800, Coburn Ingram wrote:
> I found it, but I'm not telling you where, because I'm afraid that
> you'll delete it, too.

Hi,

my first guess is dconf.

$ gsettings list-recursively | grep gnome | grep icons
org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false
[snip]

The dconf secret seems to be the first hit of my first dconf check.
If so, it took me just less than 10 seconds to run
$ gsettings --help
$ gsettings list-recursively | grep gnome | grep icons

However, while some GTK4 apps still might be tolerable, probably all
apps will become unusable for serious usage after the migration to
GTK{5,6,7,n}.

I'm not a GNOME user at all, but I'm using openbox and a lot of GTK
apps. I already dropped countless GTK apps, because GTK developers run
berserk. In my opinion, the move away from the mailing lists to GNOME
Discourse, a forum suffering from gamification, is a clear statement.
The developers train the users to be stupid little circus monkeys.

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Re: [si] Modify pre-installed keyboard layouts for specific language

[Ralf Mardorf]

off topic

Unfortunately, very aesthetic native lettering invite problems in the
context of modern technology.

Reminds me of the Turkish alphabet revolution anticipating future
benefits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_alphabet.

IMOH aesthetic native scripts or phonetic mixed forms of native scripts
is suitable for art, not for modern technology and international
networking, regardless of a rating, i.e. whether the decisions were
right or wrong, they were made long ago.

In my opinion, it makes more sense to introduce and get used to a Latin
alphabet with additional characters than to stick with fonts based on
old handwriting.

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Re: Tomcat9 - Ubuntu 20.04 x64

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 16:00 +, Brad Turnbough wrote:
> Can someone look into getting this package updated in order to resolve
> this vulnerability?

Hi,

why should a release model distro, especially a long term support
release model distro, update to another software version? This doesn't
make much sense. Maybe a security fix was already backported, maybe not.

What vulnerabilities were mentioned by your snake oil scan?

Without having it installed on my machine, just doing a 1 minute
Internet research "Denial of Service" was found several times for Ubuntu
related to Tomcat. Maybe it's a vulnerability that is already fixed? 

"[...]* SECURITY UPDATE: TLS Denial of Service
diff -Nru tomcat9-9.0.31/debian/logrotate.template tomcat9-
9.0.31/debian/logrotate.template [...]" -
http://launchpadlibrarian.net/618600500/tomcat9_9.0.31-1ubuntu0.2_9.0.31-1ubuntu0.3.diff.gz

"[...] leading to a denial of service [...]"
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat9/+bug/148

https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4596-1

The changelog is installed on your machine, you can simply grep the 
changelog for "Denial" and related terms, you even don't need to do the
research by the Internet.

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Re: Package Update for Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 22:45 +0200, Maxime Pietrucci-Blacher wrote:
> Good evening, I have come to contact you to find out if the nginx-
> common and nginx-core packages are going to be updated soon, as there
> are many problems with the use of TLS on these two packages as they
> are no longer up to date. 
> Also, I would like to know if there is a way to fix this independently
> or if it is necessary to wait (an update of the package which seems
> urgent to me, considering the recent CVE). 
> Thank you for your help, 
> Maxime Pietrucci-Blacher
> 

I'm neither an Ubuntu developer nor a nginx user, but I wonder:
- Which Ubuntu release are you using?
- What are those TLS issues?
- Is any CVE fix missing?

http://nginx.org/en/security_advisories.html
https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?package=nginx

Ubuntu is a release model distro, important isn't the upstream version.
important are the security fixes of the version used by the Ubuntu
release.

https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/nginx
http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nginx/nginx_1.14.0-0ubuntu1.10.debian.tar.xz

From the changelog:
"nginx (1.14.0-0ubuntu1.10) bionic-security; urgency=medium

  * SECURITY UPDATE: ALPACA TLS issue
- debian/patches/CVE-2021-3618.patch: specify the number of
  errors after which the connection is closed in
  src/mail/ngx_mail.h, src/mail/ngx_mail_core_module.c and
  src/mail/ngx_mail_handler.c.
- CVE-2021-3618
  * SECURITY UPDATE: request mutation by unsafe characters
- Add input validation to requests in Lua module in
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_control.c,
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_headers_in.c,
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_headers_out.c,
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_uri.c,
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_util.h and
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_util.h.
- CVE-2020-36309
  * SECURITY UPDATE: request smuggling in ngx.location.capture
- Add manual crafting of Content-Length in case request is 
  chunked in 
  debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_subrequest.c.
- CVE-2020-11724 

 -- David Fernandez Gonzalez  
Tue, 12 Apr 2022 11:00:15 +0200

nginx (1.14.0-0ubuntu1.9) bionic-security; urgency=medium

  * SECURITY UPDATE: DNS Resolver issues
- debian/patches/CVE-2021-23017-1.patch: fixed off-by-one write in
  src/core/ngx_resolver.c.
- debian/patches/CVE-2021-23017-2.patch: fixed off-by-one read in
  src/core/ngx_resolver.c.
- CVE-2021-23017

 -- Marc Deslauriers   Tue, 25 May 2021
13:11:02 -0400
[snip]"

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Ralf

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Re: Ubuntu-drivers-common

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:25:19 -0400, Isaac Encina wrote:
>Hello I was wondering if you guys knew where it would be possible to
>download a specific Ubuntu-drivers-common package?  

Hi,

starting points are probably

https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common

https://packages.ubuntu.com/

Are you familiar with the concept of dependency packages?

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Re: Missiing bacula-fd for 9.6.7-3 Ubuntu 2204

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 3 May 2022 10:48:21 -0400, Ken Mandelberg wrote:
>All the other packages for bacula (director, sd) are available but not 
>bacula-fd. bacula cannot run without it.

Hi,

what Ubuntu release are you using?
Did you run "sudo apt update" before trying to install it?

Oops, while writing I notice "Ubuntu 2204" in the subject, so forget my
previous questions.

It seems to be not provided for future releases yet. At the moment the
official repositories only provide bacula-doc for those future releases:

https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases
https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy=any=names=bacula
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=kinetic=any=names=bacula

I don't know if other bacula related packages were available and are
temporarily removed for future releases.

It's seemingly available for all Ubuntu releases that get standard
support and that are already released:

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic=any=names=bacula-fd
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal=any=names=bacula-fd
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=impish=any=names=bacula-fd

And even for the end of life 16.04 the package is seemingly available:

"Extended Security Maintenance for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is available from
April 2021 until 2026." - https://ubuntu.com/security/esm

[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ lsb_release -a
LSB Version:
core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch
Distributor ID: Ubuntu
Description:Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS
Release:16.04
Codename:   xenial
[weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ sudo apt install bacula
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
The following additional packages will be installed:
  bacula-client bacula-common bacula-common-sqlite3 bacula-console 
bacula-director-common bacula-director-sqlite3 bacula-fd bacula-sd 
bacula-sd-sqlite3 bacula-server dbconfig-common mt-st
  mtx sqlite3
Suggested packages:
  bacula-doc dds2tar scsitools sg3-utils dbconfig-mysql | dbconfig-pgsql | 
dbconfig-sqlite | dbconfig-sqlite3 | dbconfig-no-thanks sqlite3-doc
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  bacula bacula-client bacula-common bacula-common-sqlite3 bacula-console 
bacula-director-common bacula-director-sqlite3 bacula-fd bacula-sd 
bacula-sd-sqlite3 bacula-server dbconfig-common
  mt-st mtx sqlite3
0 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 2,635 kB of archives.
After this operation, 8,682 kB of additional disk space will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
Abort.

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Ralf

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:24:33 +0530, Amit wrote:
>There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI.

Hi,

I suspect that still several Ubuntu flavours have got an application
menu by default, much likely even for the latest release.
At least Xubuntu 20.04 has got an application menu by default, this is
what I'm using on an USB stick [1].

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:36:27 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>I've found I can't set the font to a larger size without hassles and
>troubles.

This is an issue for all operating systems. An experienced user can
manage this to some extend. Probably by replacing grub with another
bootloader and doing similar things. However, the issue that some apps
don't provide enough space for really large fonts still remains and due
to the diversity of Linux, it's not always easy to set system wide fonts
for all apps, at least not for a newbie. Some apps allow to set the
fonts by their GUI, but if you can't read the preferences in the first
place, you can't change the font size. A screen reader might help, but
has got it pitfalls, too.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ /bin/ls -hAltr /mnt/v1.ventoy/
total 7.9G
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6G Jul 31  2020 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jan  6  2021 ventoy
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.3G Jan  7  2021 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-pers1.dat

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 23:44:03 +0530, Amit wrote:
>I have used both windows and linux gui systems a lot.

So you should be able to describe what from your point of few are the
pitfalls of a Linux desktop environment and the pros of Windows.

As already pointed out, I suspect Jane the elementary school girl and
Jane the grandma are used to small touchscreen optimised operating
systems and are neither comfortable with a Windows, nor with a Linux
desktop environment anymore, unless it imitates touch screen behaviour
and smartphone screen size.

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>no WM at all

Oops, I at least should correct this typo. It should read "no DE
(desktop environment) at all". Of course, openbox is a WM (window
manager).

However, most new users nowadays are likely in favour of a desktop
environment that degrades the desktop PC to an unportable smartphone.
E.g. banks optimise online-banking websites to smartphones and not to
desktop PC monitors.

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows
>to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users
>of my age or who are way older than I am.
>
>My first machine with something Microsoft alike was an Atari ST with a
>80286 hardware emulator, IOW a PCB containing a real 80286 CPU was
>soldered. Even this time I didn't use MS-DOS, but DR-DOS, because
>Microsoft failed to be reliable from the very beginning.
>
>Actually I'm not using Ubuntu from an Ubuntu desktop image. I
>usually start without a GUI, by e.g. an Ubuntu server install with
>disabling the install of several packages or I'm using a DVD or a
>Ventoy USB stick with a persistent live Ubuntu flavour such as Ubuntu
>Mate, Xubuntu etc., or NomadBSD. My daily used Linux on my desktop
>machine is Arch Linux with openbox and no WM at all. I can also boot
>into a customised *bunt with openbox (or jwm) and no WM at all.
>
>I'm running QEMU/KVM and VirtualBox for other operating systems,
>including Windows XP, 7 and 10, let alone that I help my neighbourhood
>with Windows issues.
>
>For photos, drawing, drawn and stop motion animation videos, as well
>as music productions I'm in favour of Apple.
>
>I have not the slightest idea what is easier when using the Windows
>GUI, than when using BSD, Linux (with openbox and command line, I
>usually do most things using command line, instead of e.g. a file
>browser and such helpers). I guess people get used to something and are
>unwilling tom learn something different, even if it should be easier to
>use, they fell it's harder to use, because they are used to something
>odd in the first place.
>
>Btw. half-truth are "bogus" and nothing else.


My apologies for typos, you probably are able to understand it anyway.

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows
to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users
of my age or who are way older than I am.

My first machine with something Microsoft alike was an Atari ST with a
80286 hardware emulator, IOW a PCB containing a real 80286 CPU was
soldered. Even this time I didn't use MS-DOS, but DR-DOS, because
Microsoft failed to be reliable from the very beginning.

Actually I'm not using Ubuntu from an Ubuntu desktop image. I
usually start without a GUI, by e.g. an Ubuntu server install with
disabling the install of several packages or I'm using a DVD or a
Ventoy USB stick with a persistent live Ubuntu flavour such as Ubuntu
Mate, Xubuntu etc., or NomadBSD. My daily used Linux on my desktop
machine is Arch Linux with openbox and no WM at all. I can also boot
into a customised *bunt with openbox (or jwm) and no WM at all.

I'm running QEMU/KVM and VirtualBox for other operating systems,
including Windows XP, 7 and 10, let alone that I help my neighbourhood
with Windows issues.

For photos, drawing, drawn and stop motion animation videos, as well
as music productions I'm in favour of Apple.

I have not the slightest idea what is easier when using the Windows
GUI, than when using BSD, Linux (with openbox and command line, I
usually do most things using command line, instead of e.g. a file
browser and such helpers). I guess people get used to something and are
unwilling tom learn something different, even if it should be easier to
use, they fell it's harder to use, because they are used to something
odd in the first place.

Btw. half-truth are "bogus" and nothing else.

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:38:56 +0530, Amit wrote:
>On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:27 PM Ralf Mardorf
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on
>> almost all discounter desktop computers (and laptops...). "Available
>> by default" isn't the same as easier to use.
>>  
>
>So, the question is why is Windows available easily and by default?
>Why not Ubuntu/Linux?
>
>No one is stopping anyone from selling a Ubuntu/Linux laptop. So, why
>Ubuntu/Linux is not installed by default?
>
>Amit

For hysterical raisins and mainly related to marketing. If something is
available for free as in beer and a lot of this is made by unpaid
volunteers and no radical marketing is taking place, then it can't
competed with something such as Windows which is based on theft and
plain exploitative market economy, as well as malicious lobbying.

Either reply to the list, or at least mark your email as "off-list".
But please refrain from off-list replies related to Windows vs Linux.

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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

I'm not interested in reading another market share link. I'm quite sure
that most computer devices used via a GUI are smartphones and I doubt
that Windows is the most used OS on smartphones. However, given that
most desktop computers likely are equipped with Windows only, the market
share still isn't bound to user-friendliness.

Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on almost
all discounter desktop computers (and laptops...). "Available by
default" isn't the same as easier to use.

Windows has got better proprietary support for additional hardware, as
well as some professional software, but this is true for Apple
operating systems, too.

_But_ Windows is the operating system that fails the most and comes
with the most worse support related to the countless issue and
has got the most security gaps. Without a computer geek in the
neighborhood Jane Doe is way more lost, than when using a user-friendly
Linux distro + willing to go through a small learning curve. Yes, a
*BSD and user-centric Linux distro is not made for Jane and even
user-friendly Linux distros aren't idiot proof. Not completely, but
close to idiot proof is Apple, but you need to pay for this by much
money and accepting radical restrictions.




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Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 21:08:01 +0530, Amit wrote:
>Microsoft Windows is there on about 90% of all (computer) systems
>mainly because it is very easy to use.

Hi,

that's complete bogus for several reasons.

>Windows is not a great OS but it is so easy to use that first timers
>and older people also use it without much issues.

FBI warning, we detected illegal porn on your machine, pay 1000 bitcoin
or you'll be jailed for life.

All your data is encrypted, pay 1000 bitcoin or you'll never get back
access to your data.

>But, it is for certain that if we want to increase the user base of
>Ubuntu desktop then we have to make it (GUI, etc.) easy to use just
>like Windows or even easier than Windows.

Who {,the .?*@} is we? And when became the non-existent
user-friendliness off Windows an idol?

Actually the neighbourhood ask all the *BSD and Linux geeks for help,
when the Windows support they have payed for fails to solve the
uncountable issues they experience.

Please, folks, if you want something idiot prove to use, pay much money
for Apple hardware and software! If you are willing to read the fine
and easy to understand manual and you don't need professional grade
{,nice} software, but you also don not want to become a power user/geek,
then use a Linux distro such as an Ubuntu flavour.

Regards,
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PS: change "/tmp" deletion from the time of boot to the time of shutting down to prevent data loss

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:19:09 +0300, Nicholas Guriev wrote:
>You can pass `init=/bin/bash` as kernel boot parameter through GRUB and
>then copy the temporary files to a safe place.

I can't comment on GRUB. While my machine has got more than one Ubuntu
install, too, I'm in favour of syslinux. However, _if_ the wanted files
are still in place, access by any live Linux (Ubuntu DVD, whatsoever
Linux distro USB stick ...) can be used, too. IMO the better approach
is to not use /tmp/ for important log data _or_ at least to disable
deletion of /tmp/ items by appropriate measures. Well, I doubt that
disabling or masking services that clean tmp/ from time to time is an
appropriate measure. It will keep log data in tmp/, but garbage will be
collected, too.

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Re: change "/tmp" deletion from the time of boot to the time of shutting down to prevent data loss

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:19:09 +0300, Nicholas Guriev wrote:
>However in general, /tmp is not intended to have important data which
>is worth regretting.

Let alone that tmp could be mounted as tmpfs, see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs . However, even if it's not a
tmpfs, a systemd unit might clean /tmp, for Ubuntu see
https://askubuntu.com/questions/20783/how-is-the-tmp-directory-cleaned-up
.

Disabling or masking related systemd units should work.

An example from my Arch Linux install. It's not mounted by fstab, but
by a systemd unit.

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ df -h | grep tmpfs
tmpfs   3.9G   31M  3.9G   1% /dev/shm
tmpfs   3.9G  1.9M  3.9G   1% /tmp
tmpfs   786M  104K  785M   1% /run/user/1000
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/fstab | grep tmp
#tmpfs  /tmptmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G 0 0
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status tmp.mount 
● tmp.mount - Temporary Directory /tmp
 Loaded: loaded (/proc/self/mountinfo; static)
 Active: active (mounted) since Sat 2021-07-03 21:09:58 CEST; 3 weeks 2 
days ago
  Where: /tmp
   What: tmpfs
   Docs: https://systemd.io/TEMPORARY_DIRECTORIES
 man:file-hierarchy(7)
 https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/APIFileSystems
  Tasks: 0 (limit: 9398)
 Memory: 32.0K
CPU: 1ms
 CGroup: /system.slice/tmp.mount

Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Mounting Temporary Directory (/tmp)...
Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Mounted Temporary Directory (/tmp).
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-clean
○ systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service - Cleanup of Temporary Directories
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service; 
static)
 Active: inactive (dead) since Mon 2021-07-26 21:35:55 CEST; 1h 47min ago
TriggeredBy: ● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer
   Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5)
 man:systemd-tmpfiles(8)
Process: 1018193 ExecStart=systemd-tmpfiles --clean (code=exited, 
status=0/SUCCESS)
   Main PID: 1018193 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS)
CPU: 65ms

Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: Starting Cleanup of Temporary 
Directories...
Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service: 
Deactivated successfully.
Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: Finished Cleanup of Temporary Directories.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer 
● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer - Daily Cleanup of Temporary Directories
 Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer; 
static)
 Active: active (waiting) since Sat 2021-07-03 21:09:58 CEST; 3 weeks 2 
days ago
Trigger: Tue 2021-07-27 21:35:55 CEST; 22h left
   Triggers: ● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
   Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5)
 man:systemd-tmpfiles(8)

Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Started Daily Cleanup of Temporary 
Directories.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man systemctl | grep " mask UNIT" -A4
   mask UNIT...
   Mask one or more units, as specified on the command line. This will 
link these unit files to /dev/null, making it impossible to start them. This is 
a stronger version of
   disable, since it prohibits all kinds of activation of the unit, 
including enablement and manual activation. Use this option with care. This 
honors the --runtime option to
   only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system. The --now 
option may be used to ensure that the units are also stopped. This command 
expects valid unit names only,
   it does not accept unit file paths

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Re: firebird3.0 install on Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS (Xenial Xerus)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:27:30 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
>Be aware though: 16.04.7 goes past End of Standard Support this month
>- you should consider upgrading 16.04 to 18.04 before the end of
>standard support happens.

Doesn't do-release-upgrade after April work anymore? I suspect that it
at least does work until April 2023, when Ubuntu 18.04 standard support
ends. If a release upgrade isn't needed, 16.04 should be (more or
less) good until April 2024. Am I mistaken?

"Is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS still supported beyond April 2021?

Ubuntu 16.04 LTS will still be supported beyond its free initial
five-year maintenance period in April 2021, as it transitions to the
extended security maintenance phase - with three additional years of
security ensured.

Learn more about Ubuntu 16.04 LTS moving to ESM  ›
Free for personal use

Canonical provides Ubuntu Advantage Essential subscriptions, which
include ESM, free of charge for individuals on up to 3 machines. For
our community of Ubuntu members we will gladly increase that to 50
machines. Your personal subscription will also cover Livepatch. Get ESM
now" - https://ubuntu.com/security/esm

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Re: [NEWS]: "Katarina Rostova"

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

this is a misuse of protonmail, as well as of the Ubuntu mailing lists.
Please remove the accounts from this individual, who acts under a faked
name.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2021-April/303874.html
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2021-April/019001.html


On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 16:29:50 +, Katarina Rostova wrote:
>https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html

In my country we have got strict laws against the spreading of this kind
of "news", in such a way.

Regards,
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Re: Power problem with Radeon 7750 card and Nouveau driver

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:51:51 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>Does anyone have suggestions how to troubleshoot this further?  

Hi,

it's probably not a driver related issue. At least you don't care for
the correct driver. The Radeon driver is pre-installed and used for your
Radeon graphics. The nouveau driver can't handle your AMD (the graphics
brand formerly known as ATI) at all, since it's a driver for NVIDIA
graphics.

A workaround probably could be to migrate from "turn monitor off after
15 minute" to "never" do so.

However, in my experiences with Ubuntu flavours that suffer from this
screen blanking issue, the screen comes back, if you push
Ctrl + Alt + F1 (or F2, F3 ... F6) and right after that
Ctrl + Alt + F7. 

"nouveau (/nuːˈvoʊ/) is a free and open-source graphics device driver
for Nvidia video cards" [1]

"Radeon (/ˈreɪdiɒn/) is a brand of computer products, including
graphics processing units [...] by Radeon Technologies Group, a division
of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)." [2]

"This guide shows you how to use the open source Radeon driver for some
ATI/AMD graphics cards and APUs, which is part of the
xserver-xorg-video-ati package. This driver provides 2D and 3D
acceleration in your video hardware. For the most recent releases of
Ubuntu (and its flavours) this driver is usually as fast as the
closed-source, proprietary fglrx driver (called AMD Catalyst) from AMD
Inc. Furthermore the Radeon driver supports some older chipsets that
fglrx does not.

The Radeon driver is already pre-installed in Ubuntu." [3]

Regards,
Ralf

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_(software)
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon
[3] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver

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Re: Feature request: Better start up time of Ubuntu like on version 16.04

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2020-11-12 at 08:19 +0100, Damian wrote:
> > some versions ago (16.04) a cold start to me 16 seconds.
> > With all later versions even with SSD harddrives it takes over a
> > minutes.
> 
> Which time frame do you measure that takes a minute? I measure 15
> seconds from hitting enter in grub and seeing my desktop wallpaper.

$ systemd-analyze blame

might be a starting point. OTOH it provides some quite useless
information. I fore example get...

$ systemd-analyze blame
2min 30.756s fstrim.service
 19.498s man-db.service
 14.584s alice-dhcp.service
  3.478s lvm2-monitor.service  
  3.292s dev-sdc1.device   
  1.060s systemd-random-seed.service   
   718ms upower.service
   654ms systemd-logind.service
   650ms lightdm.service
[snip]

...actually it much like took less than 10 seconds to boot and start an
openbox session and even if I should be mistaken and it took longer,
without doubts it was less than 1 minute.

However, even if some units take longer, a session can start, but some
units probably need to finish a process before a session can start.

Trimming and establishing an Internet connection by DHCP needs not to be
finished to start a session, but other services probably first need to
initial things, before a session can be started. 


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Re: install nwipe

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:30:24 +0700, D.Bosch wrote:
>Pls give me instructions how to install and run nwipe.
>
>what are the terminal programs.  

Hi,

installing the package:

sudo apt update
sudo apt install nwipe

https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/nwipe

"/usr/sbin/nwipe"
- https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/nwipe/filelist

The manual page:

http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/nwipe.1.html

It's just one program named nwipe.

A hint:

"To summarize, securely overwriting hard disk drives involves:

One overwriting pass for most HDD erasure. Remember to weigh data
sensitivity against the costs of higher level of security and the
time you want to spend on each processed asset. More passes take
longer and are usually unnecessary." -
https://www.blancco.com/blog-many-overwriting-rounds-required-erase-hard-disk/

The proper mailing list for your kind of request:

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users 

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Hot to Upgrade from Linux-Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:26:45 -0400, Santosh K. Saha wrote:
>*How can I upgrade from  Linux-Ubuntu  18.04 LTS  to  20.04 LTS*  ?

Hi,

your request belongs to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users .

If you should have questions related to the following howto, please use
the above mentioned mailing list.

https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today

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Re: Jolly Jumper as of Lucky Luke

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:08:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:25:57 +0200, André Pirard wrote:  
>>Jolly Jumper. It would make a delicious Ubuntu mascot.
>
>I suspect you are thinking of an Ubuntu codename (release name) and a
>mascot for this Ubuntu release. This most likely would cause a legal
>issue. ^  
 ^  this should read "legal problem"

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Re: Jolly Jumper as of Lucky Luke

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:25:57 +0200, André Pirard wrote:
>Jolly Jumper. It would make a delicious Ubuntu mascot.

I suspect you are thinking of an Ubuntu codename (release name) and a
mascot for this Ubuntu release. This most likely would cause a legal
issue.

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Re: Cydia/APT(M): x11proto-xext-dev (7.3.0-1)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 20:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:00:55 +, Daniel Llewellyn wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 06:41, David Carissimi wrote:
> > > I have been installing all debs for Ubuntu on my iPhone with
> > > terminal and it seems to magically work. Didn’t know if you had
> > > anything else that could modify deep in the system over regular jb
> > > tools. I use most debs on a regular iPhone and some on many apple
> > > internal devices. I’ve just been bored trying to do random things.
> > > Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> Happy New Year!
> 
> This is even more confusing. As a Linux desktop PC and iPadOS user, I'm
> only aware of remote Linux apps, such as
> https://www.onworks.net/applications/ios-apps/ubuntuow-connection-vnc
> and
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xgimp-image-editor-paint-tool/id1071231711#?platform=ipad
> . Those are a PITA.
> 
> What is "terminal"? The only iStore hits related to
> "terminal" I get, are SSH clients. IOW also a kind of remote.
> 
> Appart from acting stupid on purpose, "Cydia involves jailbreaking"! Do
> you really expect to get replies on an Ubuntu mailing list, related to
> Apple jailbreaks?
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

PS:

Don't blame me for the improper quoting, I did not mess up the quotes in
the first place. I've done a proper automated reply to the mailing list,
but just didn't fix the mess that wasn't caused by me.


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Re: Cydia/APT(M): x11proto-xext-dev (7.3.0-1)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:00:55 +, Daniel Llewellyn wrote:
>On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 06:41, David Carissimi wrote:
>> I have been installing all debs for Ubuntu on my iPhone with
>> terminal and it seems to magically work. Didn’t know if you had
>> anything else that could modify deep in the system over regular jb
>> tools. I use most debs on a regular iPhone and some on many apple
>> internal devices. I’ve just been bored trying to do random things.
>> Sorry for the confusion.

Happy New Year!

This is even more confusing. As a Linux desktop PC and iPadOS user, I'm
only aware of remote Linux apps, such as
https://www.onworks.net/applications/ios-apps/ubuntuow-connection-vnc
and
https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xgimp-image-editor-paint-tool/id1071231711#?platform=ipad
. Those are a PITA.

What is "terminal"? The only iStore hits related to
"terminal" I get, are SSH clients. IOW also a kind of remote.

Appart from acting stupid on purpose, "Cydia involves jailbreaking"! Do
you really expect to get replies on an Ubuntu mailing list, related to
Apple jailbreaks?

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: The alternative implementation of Ubuntu user statistics

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 21:56:54 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>/proc/cmdline provides some information about pitfalls such as
>"mitigations=off audit=off" which might vs a new kernel in combination
>with a new microcode, by still using kind of a fast past.
  path

It should read path :D.

IOW information mentioning the booted kernel and microcode is useless
without information about boot attributes.

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Re: The alternative implementation of Ubuntu user statistics

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 23:23:41 +0300, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote:
>Hello,
>
>I've recently initiated a new statistical project based on anonymously
>collected outputs of hwinfo, smartmontools and dmidecode utilities
>called "Linux Hardware Trends". The report for Ubuntu is now here:
>https://github.com/linuxhw/Trends/tree/master/Dist/Ubuntu
>
>The report can be considered as an alternative to Ubuntu user
>statistics (https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics) and helps to answer
>questions like "How popular are 32-bit systems?", "How fast is SSD
>market share growing?", "Which hard drives are less reliable?", "How
>many computers use old CPU microcode?", "How good is device drivers
>support?", etc.
>
>Please let me know if you are interested in tracking any OS/hardware
>characteristics that are not currently included in the report.
>
>The data is collected by the Snap package here:
>https://snapcraft.io/hw-probe
>
>Thanks.
>

Pitfalls:

How many percent of users do not participate?

The HDD we bought 7 years ago might be very reliable and might live
another 7 years, even if we park and release the heads a thousand times
a day, but actually you can't purchase this disk anymore. IOW you might
get a realistic statistics, but it anyway is useless, since the drive is
discontinued.

/proc/cmdline provides some information about pitfalls such as
"mitigations=off audit=off" which might vs a new kernel in combination
with a new microcode, by still using kind of a fast past.

Btw. my machine internally is equipped with SSDs only, but all of my
backup drives are HDDs only and non is connected during regular
computer usage.

I could continue the line of possible pitfalls, that most likely will
bias any statistic and render it absolutely useless.

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Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 04:32:55 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>To cut a long story short, different desktop environments provide
>different keyboard layout related GUI dialogs. Some of them follow your
>logic, other don't. In then end all of them just steer kind of a middle
 ^ this should read "reasoning" (in everyday Ruhrgebiet-German
 language we tend to use the term "logic" for "reasoning", actually
 it isn't "standard" German and probably absolutely incorrect English
 :D *?*)
>course

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Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

In theory Ubuntu developers could change it for Ubuntu only, but you
better report your concern against upstream. Keep in mind that
portability might be important, too. A user might migrate from one Linux
distro to another, or even might migrate from Linux to FreeBSD, or vice
versa.

Disclaimer: I'm not an Ubuntu{,flavour} developer, I'm just another
user.

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Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

selecting the wanted keyboard layout is tricky.

A single user machine vs a multi-user system where each user might use a
different language and/or keyboard.

There are different levels on how to set up the wanted keyboard layout,
let alone that some apps are more or less smart.

An example, even on a single user machine using X, where setting up the
keyboard layout could be done for quasi everything by the xorg.conf,
some apps, such as e.g. some calculators tend to fail.

Imagine a German keyboard by preferring English for the menus of
the user session.

Some calculators are smart, they "translate" the German "," of the
numeric keypad, to the English ".", other don't.

To cut a long story short, different desktop environments provide
different keyboard layout related GUI dialogs. Some of them follow your
logic, other don't. In then end all of them just steer kind of a middle
course.

There is no smart way to please everybody.

Indeed, "Region & Language" does not suggest "keyboard settings", OTOH
in practise a keyboard layout is related to region and language
settings.

Regards,
Ralf


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Re: Announcing release 3.48 of reposurgeon

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 12:22:16 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote:
>If every developer sent this list an email every time there was a new
>release, this email list would become usable.
  ^^^
   ^^ a Freudian slip ;) or
  intended? 

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Re: i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)

[Ralf Mardorf]

>On 6/23/19 12:51 PM, Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar wrote:
>> My apologies for my long mail, and the kind-of rant.

Hi,

while I agree on many of your statements, those are not really related
to the 32-bit issue. Ubuntu still will support 32-bit for some while,
Arch Linux for example has already dropped it. The day when it will be
completely dropped by Ubuntu, too, you unlikely will be able to maintain
old 32-bit machines anymore, let alone that power consumption of old
machines already is a PITA and modern software requires new hardware
anyway.

Regarding your off-topic rant regarding creation, for niches such as
artwork, music production, etc. proprietary solutions are way better,
because of the huger communities. Linux nice communities are very small
and tend to be intolerant against people, who don't march lock-step
with the Linux nice's mainstream. Let alone that where the money is,
there is the better development. However, since I'm a Linux and Apple
user, Apple has got it's pitfall, too.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:59:01 -0800, Bryan Quigley wrote:
>Subject: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore?
  ^^
  Oops, I missed that part :D. You don't
  want to drop it completely.

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Re: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:59:01 -0800, Bryan Quigley wrote:
>Based on a disco desktop current jobs:
>apport - clean all crash reports which are older than a week.
>apt-compat - says to prefer the systemd timers
>bsdmainutils - BSD mainutils calendar daily maintenance script
>cracklib-runtime - make a wordlist for stronger password checking
>dpkg - Backup the 7 last versions of dpkg databases containing user
>data. logrotate - skips if systemd is installed
>man-db - skips if systemd is installed
>mlocate - regenerates locate database
>passwd - backups passwd group shadow gshadow
>popularity-contest - sends package info
>ubuntu-advantage-tools - runs status and stores in a cache
>update-notifier-common - Try to rerun any package data downloads that
>failed at package install time.

FWIW

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=fstrim.timer=exactfilename=cosmic=any
https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer=exactfilename=cosmic=any

Neither for my Ubuntu, nor for my Arch Linux install I need much
timers.

I'm booted to Arch Linux now, but it should be similar for my Ubuntu
install:

  $ systemctl list-timers --all
  NEXT LEFT  LAST 
PASSEDUNIT ACTIVATES
  Wed 2019-02-13 00:00:00 CET  4h 40min left Tue 2019-02-12 00:00:51 CET  19h 
ago   logrotate.timer  logrotate.service
  Wed 2019-02-13 00:00:00 CET  4h 40min left Tue 2019-02-12 00:00:51 CET  19h 
ago   shadow.timer shadow.service
  Wed 2019-02-13 13:34:46 CET  18h left  Tue 2019-02-12 13:34:45 CET  5h 
44min ago  systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service
  Mon 2019-02-18 00:00:00 CET  5 days left   Mon 2019-02-11 00:00:21 CET  1 day 
19h ago fstrim.timer fstrim.service

  4 timers listed.

However, backwards compatibility might be useful for those who make
intensive use of individual cron jobs that aren't provided by packages.
Should they be forced to redo all the work they already have done?

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Re: blacklist pcspkr

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:19:07 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
>isnt it great that ubuntu allows you to modify the default (that
>pleases the majority of users)

I seriously doubt that the majority of users is pleased by a
blacklisted pcspkr. It isn't great that Ubuntu defaults to something
stupid, the bell always needs to be on for diagnostics, that isn't
something you can re-eanble on demand, let alone that it is e.g. used
to signal incoming mail by the _PC speaker_, while the "regular"
speakers or headphones play music only, but never ever the bell.

Laptops might not have a PC speaker. GNOME and other desktop
environment users, who migrated from Windows might have crap such as
desktop sounds enabled, however, a majority of Linux users for sure
aren't Windows migrants, but use UNIX alike computers for serious work,
in a for good reasons well established work flow.

Some things should make progress, art, science etc., other things are
well established and shouldn't be changed, since no sane progress is
possible. We use forks and knives and don't change it and we should use
the bell, too, since it is like forks and knives, the bell isn't
something like art, science etc. ...

IOW it's not great if Ubuntu developers don't fix a bug, but instead
shut away forks and knives during dinner.

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blacklist pcspkr

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

when upgrading Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS right now I noticed something
alarming.

"Configuration file '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf'
 ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation.
 ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version.
   What would you like to do about it ?  Your options are:
Y or I  : install the package maintainer's version
N or O  : keep your currently-installed version
  D : show the differences between the versions
  Z : start a shell to examine the situation
 The default action is to keep your current version.
*** blacklist.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? d
--- /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf  2016-10-23 23:06:36.499257451
+0200 +++ /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.dpkg-new 2018-10-29
[snip]
 # ugly and loud noise, getting on everyone's nerves; this should be
done by a # nice pulseaudio bing (Ubuntu: #77010)
-#blacklist pcspkr
+blacklist pcspkr
[snip]"

pcspkr is a good tool for error diagnosis. Replacing it by a bloated
sound server is risky, since the sound server easily could fail, while
pcspkr is know to work without issues.

Shouldn't this read "pulseaudio a crappy sound server getting on
everyone's nerves, it's way better to not install it and to fulfil
absurd hard dependencies with an empty dummy package, that fakes to
provide pulseaudio"?

I'm using either plain ALSA or jackd with the ALSA backend, if I need
audio, just to listen to something from the Internet or to do
professional grade audio productions, _but_ if I don't need to listen
to speech or other audio material, such as music, then I don't turn on
an amplifier, I also don't want a sound server to waste my computer's
resources, if I need signals from MUAs, the terminal etc., instead I'm
using a PC speaker beep. Exaggerated: unnecessary power consumption
might be unimportant for climate change deniers.

If other users like pulseaudio, it's ok, but it's not ok to blacklist
pcspkr by default. Not exaggerated: As a matter of principle, simple,
useful features shouldn't be dropped in favour of bloat.

2 Cents,
Ralf

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Re: Not download Ubuntu software

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Wed, 27 Jun 2018 15:11:06 +0530, umang agola wrote:
>Not proper working download tux paint pls send me link proper

Hi,

"tuxpaint" is provided by the "universe" repository for all
supported releases, Trusty, Xenial, Artful and Bionic as well as for
the future release Cosmic. Your request belongs to another mailing
list, consider to join
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users . Please use an
appropriate subject and provide more information. What Ubuntu flavour
are you using? Which Ubuntu (flavour) release are you using? How did you
try to download/install tuxpaint? What happens? Do you get any error
message? If so, what error message do you get? Are you using any third
party repository?

Did you open a terminal and try to run

  sudo apt update
  sudo apt full-upgrade
  sudo apt install tuxpaint

?

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Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 13 May 2018 18:57:46 +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
>On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 04:25:25PM -0400, Thomas Ward wrote:
>> However, killing i386 support globally could introduce issues,
>> including but not limited to certain upstream softwares having to go
>> away entirely, due to the interdependency or issues with how certain
>> apps work (read; Wine, 32-bit support, 64-bit support being flaky,
>> and Windows apps being general pains in that they work on 32bit but
>> not always on 64-bit).  
>
>Is there any possibility of building this kind of thing in biarch style
>(i.e. on the amd64 architecture, but with -m32 or similar)?

Yes, it is.

Since the Linux version of
https://sourceforge.net/projects/grfloorboard/ isn't usable on my Arch
Linux install, I installed the the Windows version in 32bit
wine(-staging) running on an 64bit Arch install.

[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ grep build\( -A27 wine-staging/trunk/PKGBUILD
build() {
  cd "$srcdir"

  msg2 "Building Wine-64..."

  cd "$srcdir/$pkgname-64-build"
  ../$pkgname/configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--libdir=/usr/lib \
--with-x \
--with-gstreamer \
--enable-win64 \
--with-xattr

  make

  msg2 "Building Wine-32..."

  export PKG_CONFIG_PATH="/usr/lib32/pkgconfig"
  cd "$srcdir/$pkgname-32-build"
  ../$pkgname/configure \
--prefix=/usr \
--with-x \
--with-gstreamer \
--with-xattr \
--libdir=/usr/lib32 \
--with-wine64="$srcdir/$pkgname-64-build"

[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ grep package\( -A13 wine-staging/trunk/PKGBUILD
package() {
  msg2 "Packaging Wine-32..."
  cd "$srcdir/$pkgname-32-build"

  make prefix="$pkgdir/usr" \
libdir="$pkgdir/usr/lib32" \
dlldir="$pkgdir/usr/lib32/wine" install

  msg2 "Packaging Wine-64..."
  cd "$srcdir/$pkgname-64-build"
  make prefix="$pkgdir/usr" \
libdir="$pkgdir/usr/lib" \
dlldir="$pkgdir/usr/lib/wine" install

[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ cat /usr/local/bin/gr-55_floorboard_wine 
#!/bin/dash
wine '/home/rocketmouse/.wine/drive_c/Program Files 
(x86)/GR-55FloorBoard/GR-55FloorBoard.exe' &
exit
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ uname -m
x86_64
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls -hAl /usr/bin/wine /usr/bin/wine64 
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 9.6K Apr 29 19:19 /usr/bin/wine
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  11K Apr 29 19:19 /usr/bin/wine64
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pacman -Q linux{,-rt{,-pussytoes,-securityink,-cornflower}}|cut -d\  -f2
4.16.8-1
4.16.7_rt1-1
4.14.34_rt27-1
4.14.29_rt25-1
4.14.28_rt23-1

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Re: Proposal: Let's drop i386

[Ralf Mardorf]

>On 11 May 2018 at 16:32, Fiedler Roman  wrote:
>> b) Those, who do not want to consume more resources due to ethical
>> considerations (that's the one for me): how many people could fed or
>> how much CO2 prevented, if all systems were some percent smaller on
>> disk/RAM, including IT-system production and operation related
>> resource usage? Wasting resources is also about freedom, as we
>> deprive others who cannot afford them/fight for them in the same way
>> we can do.

As already pointed out by Dimitri, regarding getting a job done, a
modern CPU requires much less power. Actually this could happen by two
different ways. Much more processing power by less power consumption
than an old 32bit computer or by much, much more processing power by
similar high power consumption as an old 32bit computer. Modern
computers are faster, work with causing less heat, require less
voltage, are using faster buses, RAM, CPUs with better instruction sets
etc..

Another point of view are related to computer waste [1], slavery, rare
earths, power consumption to produce new machines, while old machines
might still do the job.

Unfortunately another part to consider is the balance when maintaining
an operating system and apps for a dead architecture. It also requires
resources such as energy consumption, but also resources as wasting time
a maintainer otherwise could use to do volunteer work e.g. by helping
wheelchair users.

[1]
https://www.google.com/search?q=agbogbloshie+images=lnms=isch=X=0ahUKEwjQjcyEyIDbAhUEqaQKHRO7BmEQ_AUICigB=1920=919



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Re: Seeking advice/help for custom linux requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2018-05-07 at 07:56 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Just autostart the browser with this specific website.

And before doing this, autostart the user session ;).

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Re: Seeking advice/help for custom linux requirement

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

your request belongs to the users mailing list. Have you already done
some research by yourself? Without any experiences in this domain and
any research the following comes to my mind.

On Mon, 7 May 2018 02:28:07 +0530, Nipun Pruthi wrote:
>I need to make a custom version of linux with following requirements:
>
>1. When turned on, it will open a prespecified website in a browser.

Just autostart the browser with this specific website.

>2. User can't open any other website or application, can't minimize the
>browser.

Use kiosk only or use iptables to block/whitelist IPs and disable
Ctrl+Alt+ F-keys and use kiosk. Run the user session as xterm session
or a tiling window manager session that doesn't allow resizing the
window. Actually I don't know what already could be achieved by just
using kiosk. Note, e.g. firefox could be e.g. closed by a shortcut,
perhaps kiosk does cover this, too.

>3.  Whenever someone tried to open Terminal, it will ask for "Admin
>password".

So the user should be allowed to open at least this second app, too?
Install the terminal to a path that only is accessible with root
privileges. Use a gksudo wrapper etc. pp.

Again, your request belongs to the users mailing list.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: extlinux dependent issue

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

I'm surprised that "syslinux{,-common}" are in "main", see
https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/syslinux{,-common} and "extlinux" is
in "universe", see https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/extlinux, while
all belongs to the same upstream source.

Arch doesn't split syslinux.

$ pacman -Ql syslinux | grep /usr/bin/.
syslinux /usr/bin/extlinux
syslinux /usr/bin/gethostip
syslinux /usr/bin/isohybrid
syslinux /usr/bin/isohybrid.pl
syslinux /usr/bin/keytab-lilo
syslinux /usr/bin/lss16toppm
syslinux /usr/bin/md5pass
syslinux /usr/bin/memdiskfind
syslinux /usr/bin/mkdiskimage
syslinux /usr/bin/ppmtolss16
syslinux /usr/bin/pxelinux-options
syslinux /usr/bin/sha1pass
syslinux /usr/bin/syslinux
syslinux /usr/bin/syslinux-install_update
syslinux /usr/bin/syslinux2ansi

But Arch has got no default bootloader, while Ubuntu anyway defaults to
grub 2.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Ubuntu and its derivatives (Lubuntu, Xubuntu etc.) should really consider adding cross-distribution installation/upgrade feature in Ubiquity

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 3 Feb 2018 08:56:25 +, Colin Law wrote:
>On 2 February 2018 at 16:08, Βασίλης Κατσαρέλιας wrote:
>> I had to copy my `/home` folder over to a USB stick
>Of course you will have backed up everything before hand
>anyway just in case something goes wrong.

Let alone that a user regularly should backup important data to an
external device, which is appropriate for this task, such as an USB
HDD. Coping data to an USB stick is nearly as risky, as no backup at
all. The term "copy" is squishy, if using the "cp" command to backup
data, then using the "-a, --archive" option and at best with root
privileges, even if those privileges shouldn't be required to backup
$HOME.

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 22:17:09 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I didn't read the complete Hagakure, not because I suffer from
>dyslexia, but because the content of the Hagakure was much too idiotic
   ^^^
   and much likely still
   _is_, but perhaps a
   new translation is
   available, that
   might change this
   impression

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote:
>I think Kohlhaas was actually pretty sympathetic ;-).

Indeed, but don't confuse the way of Kohlhaas, with the way of the
worrier, as described by the Hagakure,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagakure ;).

You sometimes sound like somebody doing a software Bushido,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido .

I'm a relatively bookish dyslexic. I didn't read the complete Hagakure,
not because I suffer from dyslexia, but because the content of the
Hagakure was much too idiotic, to waste my time with reading the
complete book.

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 09 Dec 2017 14:31:12 +0100, Xen wrote:
>I am pretty sure that if the upstream devs would have taken a more 
>considerate approach, businesses would actually have been willing to 
>fund security maintenance, since it would have cost them much less
>than making the transition.

See
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/pipermail/linux-audio-dev/2017-December/036974.html

The author "learned to be very selective" when he chose FLOSS software.

We FLOSS users can't blame upstream, since "warranty" is mentioned more
than one time by https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-3.0.en.html , let
alone that python does use a custom license,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Python_Software_Foundation_License .

Using FLOSS requires self-responsibility. Maintainers of a Linux or BSD
"ecosystem" such as Ubuntu need to make decisions.

While I'm against snappy and Co., the benefit of snappy and Co. is
working around some issues of the shared software approach.

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 21:22:34 +, Robie Basak wrote:
>Assuming we do ship Python 2 in main in 18.04, which seems likely, you
>will be able to use Python 2 in 18.04 until 2023.

It's quite possible that Arch Linux (I mentioned it by a previous
reply) might move python2 back to the Arch User Repository before 2023,
where it probably gets orphaned very soon. However, the policy of Arch
Linux is different to the Ubuntu's policy, so Xen should consider to
compare both policies regarding his needs.

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 9 Dec 2017 08:44:06 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:24:52 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>>In any case, there is really very little point in tilting at this
>>windmill now  
>
>Don Quixote doesn't need to worry about thinking about something
>idiotic, since actually it's Sancho Panza who has to face the music.
>However, the analogy fits perfect in this case.
>
>In Germany we tend to self-flagellation, so instead of an "alter ego"
>named "Don Quixote" who lets suffer somebody else for his failure, our
>"alter egos" are usually "Michael Kohlhaas", who does face the music
>himself.
>
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kohlhaas

PS: Don't get me wrong Xen, I get your point and without doubts you are
"Kohlhaas", as I'm, too. However, there are reasons to distinguish
between different, even official repositories.

Perhaps you are simply using the wrong distro regarding your needs.

For Arch Linux pyton2 isn't moved to the community repository:

https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/python/
https://www.archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/python2/

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/official_repositories#extra
https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/official_repositories#community

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Re: Python2 demotion (moving from main to universe) in progress

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 8 Dec 2017 23:24:52 +, Colin Watson wrote:
>In any case, there is really very little point in tilting at this
>windmill now

Don Quixote doesn't need to worry about thinking about something
idiotic, since actually it's Sancho Panza who has to face the music.
However, the analogy fits perfect in this case.

In Germany we tend to self-flagellation, so instead of an "alter ego"
named "Don Quixote" who lets suffer somebody else for his failure, our
"alter egos" are usually "Michael Kohlhaas", who does face the music
himself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Kohlhaas

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 20:35:17 +0100, Xen wrote:
>Ralf Mardorf schreef op 28-11-2017 19:22:
>
>> There are far more known issues, Google is your friend. I doubt that
>> you will find a lot, if any known issues caused by Linux
>> distribution, but there are a vast number of known issues, that are
>> not caused by Linux distros.  
>
>Doesn't help the person now does it.
>
>What you say means "Suck it up."

Hi,

no, if you read the complete mail, you should notice that it does say
three things.

1. Before I bought my new mobo, I ensured that it doesn't force me to
use U/EFI/secure boot, to avoid all the known issues. Perhaps the OP's
laptop allows this, too, so getting rid of an operating system enforcing
its usage, repairing the laptop and then reinstalling Ubuntu or any
other Linux distro without U/EFI/secure boot might be a solution.

2. Complete the Ubuntu bug report. Google might help you. Since the bug
report is flagged as being incomplete, the OP much likely already got
an email with hints, what is missing to complete it.

3. Google also might help to report the bug to those responsible for
it. Maybe Ubuntu isn't the culprit.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug #1734147

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 28 Nov 2017 12:06:19 +0100, Tobia wrote:
>I know that you are extremely busy I would like to report this bug
>since it's very, very serious and I do not know if you already know
>this issue.
>
>Ubuntu 17.10 corrupting BIOS - many LENOVO laptops models - Bug
>#1734147
>
>All of us affected cannot use their PCs anymore.

Hi,

I'm not a developer, however, consider to explain what makes you think
that this is an Ubuntu related bug. At least consider to provide a
proper bug report.

For good reasons
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/1734147 is falgged
as "Incomplete".

I'm to lazy to do all the googling for you, since I don't use all this
EFI crap, I did it nearly a year ago, before I bought my new desktop
computer, too avoid issues.

However, for example did you read the Wiki?

"Firmware issues

The increased prominence of UEFI firmware in devices has also led to a
number of technical issues blamed on their respective
implementations.[114]

Following the release of Windows 8 in late 2012, it was discovered that
certain Lenovo computer models with secure boot had firmware that was
hardcoded to allow only executables named "Windows Boot Manager" or
"Red Hat Enterprise Linux" to load, regardless of any other
setting.[115] Other issues were encountered by several Toshiba laptop
models with secure boot that were missing certain certificates required
for its proper operation.[114]

In January 2013, a bug surrounding the UEFI implementation on some
Samsung laptops was publicized, which caused them to be bricked after
installing a Linux distribution in UEFI mode. While potential conflicts
with a kernel module designed to access system features on Samsung
laptops were initially blamed (also prompting kernel maintainers to
disable the module on UEFI systems as a safety measure), Matthew
Garrett discovered that the bug was actually triggered by storing too
many UEFI variables to memory, and that the bug could also be triggered
under Windows under certain conditions. In conclusion, he determined
that the offending kernel module had caused kernel message dumps to be
written to the firmware, thus triggering the bug.[37][116][117]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_Interface#Firmware_issues

There are far more known issues, Google is your friend. I doubt that
you will find a lot, if any known issues caused by Linux distribution,
but there are a vast number of known issues, that are not caused by
Linux distros.

Regards,
Ralf

Regards,
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Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 16 Oct 2017 02:08:13 +0800, 蔡瑋倫 wrote:
>Dear two professional developers  

I'm not a developer.

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Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

[Ralf Mardorf]

Off-topic

One of my favourite aliases is

  alias mad='LANG=de_DE.utf8 man'

:D

"mad" is for "man" and "de", fortunately many German manpages are
bananas, so the alias fits well.

Regards,
Ralf

PS: Be careful when you go on a mushroom foray
http://bananasinpyjamas.wikia.com/wiki/Bananas_in_Pyjamas_Wiki

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Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

> On 15 Oct 2017, at 09:53, Xen <l...@xenhideout.nl> wrote:
> Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-10-2017 6:22:
>> 
>>> On 14 Oct 2017, at 15:52, 蔡瑋倫 <alan23273...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 1. From the perspective of keyboard typing, "cls" is much easier to type 
>>> than "clear."
>> what is speaking against using Ctrl+L ?
> Does the existence of Ctrl+L speak against the existence of the "clear" 
> command? So, moot point.

no, that's why a 'clear' command does exist ;).

However, if 'clear' should be too much to type when writing a scrip, there are 
better workarounds regarding script portability, than using an alias for 
'clear' ;).

FWIW using an alias such as 'll' when posting to a Linux related mailing list 
is frowned upon for good reasons. Anyway, making 'll' a default is something 
completely different, than making 'cls' a default alias.

Nothing is speaking against using the alias 'cls', I'm not against it, but I 
dislike making too many aliases a default for a distro.

Basic shell commands should be the same for all distros, adding too many 
aliases to a distro, especially the MS DOS related ones, could cause confusing 
distro specific accents.

Q: "Do you know dash and bash?"
A: "Yes, but only the Ubuntu accent!"

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Re: [Feature Request] Support alias cls='clear' Officially

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Hi,

> On 14 Oct 2017, at 15:52, 蔡瑋倫  wrote:
> 1. From the perspective of keyboard typing, "cls" is much easier to type than 
> "clear."

what is speaking against using Ctrl+L ?

> 2. The corresponding command under Windows is "cls." By googling for some 
> related materials, I have figured out that so many people asked for alias for 
> this command.

Everybody is free to add any desired alias. If using Ctrl+L is unpleasant, 
because MS DOS commands are wanted, why don't you add it yourself? Not 
everybody migrated from MS DOS or DR DOS to an UNIX alike operating system, 
some of us are native UNIX like operating system users or they used e.g. DR DOS 
decades ago and when migrating to Linux they learned a few basic, such as the 
most important shortcuts https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Readline is 
providing by default.

> 3. Adding alias, instead of renaming, will not affect the backward 
> compatibility of the whole system.

Emulating MS DOS commands isn't good for anything. If you migrate from one 
country to another, than it's wise to learn the language of the country you 
chose to live, instead of continuing to speak the language of the country you 
previously lived.

> ll='ls -l', or not?

I don't know if this alias is a default for Ubuntu, however, while I'm using 
many aliases, I never ever would use 'ls -l', but other than for 'cls', there 
is no default shortcut for 'ls -l', this makes a big difference.

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Re: nvidia-304-dev

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On Wed, 27 Sep 2017 16:04:37 -0300, Jaime de Paula wrote:
>If I choose to work with another window manager (Enlightenment,
>Cinnamon, etc...) it works perfectly, and so I guess it's an
>incompatibility between Unity and my video card. But Unity is better
>for me.

Hi,

Unity is discontinued, so consider to become used to another desktop
environment. Some desktop environments require 3D acceleration others
don't need 3D acceleration.

The proprietary driver you are using does support your card, see
http://www.nvidia.com/Download/driverResults.aspx/123709/en-us , so my
guess is you missed to set up something and 3D acceleration doesn't
work correctly.

What have you already tried to fix the issue? If so, what have you
already done? If not, Google could be your friend.

Is there a reason that you aren't using the proprietary driver? IOW did
you at least test the FLOSS driver, 
https://nouveau.freedesktop.org/wiki/CodeNames/ ?

I doubt that a development discussion helps you, especially since you
are using the proprietary driver, consider to send a request to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users and/or to NVIDIA.

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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 08:47:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>Regarding
>https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/1551273
>it might be, that by design it only shows apps with a GUI :p.

My apologies, this bug seems to be about another software installer GUI.
It seems to be an Ubuntu policy to migrate from one borked GUI to
another, instead of fixing any reported bugs of GUIs, such as the
popular synaptic. If you take a look at the apt man page, at
development of snappy etc. you see which way the wind is blowing.
User-friendliness by restriction and bad design. If a snappy like
approach one day should be used by Ubuntu, then most likely they will
drop snappy in favour of one of the other similar solutions, as
upstart was dropped in favour of systemd and Unity was dropped in
favour of GNOME, but most likely they will stay with apt, since
seemingly Ubuntu's focus went back from phones and tablets to laptops
and PCs.

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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 2017-08-26 at 23:10 +0300, Коля Гурьев wrote:
> 26.08.2017 19:16, Nrbrtx пишет:
> > Let's assume that we need to install libgtk2.0-dev from gnome-software.
> > How to do it? Simple search of libgtk2.0-dev produces no results (note: 
> > software-center finds and installs this package). Any other ideas?
> > gnome-software is a toy for installing nice games and GUI applications.
> 
> And by the way, why are the search results different? These programs use
> different repositories?

Perhaps dconf provides an option to enable/disable inclusion of
development packages to search results :D.

Regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-software/+bug/
1551273 it might be, that by design it only shows apps with a GUI :p.

I sardonically assume that it's a political decision to not show GTK2
related packages or even applications that provide a menu bar ;),
excepted of Evolution, much likely the only GNOME app that provides a
menu bar.

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Re: Hi guys

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2017 09:38:03 -0500, Eder Rafo Jose Pariona Espinhal
wrote:
>How I can download and install tdsodbc, *but from source or manually.*

It's available by official repositories for all supported Ubuntu
releases, e.g.

https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=zesty=names=tdsodbc

Do you want to build it yourself?

The Debian tracker is an easy way to get more information.

https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/freetds

On the right side there are links. One of the links is the upstream
homepage.

It's unclear what you try to archive and what skills you have. Actually
I don't really understand "from source _or_ _manually_".

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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 27 Aug 2017 01:04:56 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote:
>I have never used auto-apt.

Neither have I. I installed it just in case it should be useful some
day.

>In Debian Stretch it works very stable. It is pre-installed as
>recommendation for Xfce, Cinnamon, MATE, LXQT, LXDE and other desktops

In my experiences synaptic isn't reliable anymore. Fortunately command
line for me has got a special advantage. When booted into Arch Linux I
could maintain my Ubuntu install or vice versa via systemd-nspawn.
While it obviously is possible to use GUIs, I usually even don't use
systemd-nspawns boot option. The most simple way, direct command line
access without booting and without thinking about GUIs, I could build
packages for e.g. claws-mail from git directly for Arch Linux and
Ubuntu.

[root@archlinux rocketmouse]# grep -i pretty /etc/os-release 
PRETTY_NAME="Arch Linux"
[root@archlinux rocketmouse]# systemd-nspawn -qD /mnt/moonstudio 
[root@moonstudio ~]# grep -i pretty /etc/os-release
PRETTY_NAME="Ubuntu 16.04.3 LTS"
[root@moonstudio ~]# logout
[root@archlinux rocketmouse]# grep -i pretty /etc/os-release 
PRETTY_NAME="Arch Linux"

After a while I became that used to command line, that I don't want to
use synaptic anymore. Most of the times I also don't use file
managers. I anyway only mount devices by command line. The only
serious disadvantage I experience is wearout of my keyboard. To get a
replacement for a mouse or keyboard that is a pleasure to use, is very
hard for me.

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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

"auto-apt search Xlib.h" -
http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Auto-apt

"sudo auto-apt run ./configure" -
https://www.howtogeek.com/106526/how-to-resolve-dependencies-while-compiling-software-on-ubuntu/

FWIW I only run

  tool update

or

  tool upd

to upgrade everything, since I wrote a script named "tool", so that I
don't need to run the commands for each Ubuntu tool one after the other.

$ cat /usr/local/bin/tool
# snip
 *)
shift
color="-o APT::Color=0"
keepp="-o APT::Keep-Downloaded-Packages=1 "
quiet=""
case $1 in
  -q*|--quiet)
quiet="-qq ";;
esac
case $1 in
# snip
sudo apt update $quiet$color && \
sudo apt-file update && \
sudo auto-apt updatedb && \
sudo auto-apt update-local && \
sudo apt full-upgrade $keepp$color && \
sudo apt autoremove $color;;
# snip


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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 21:36:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>http://www.debiananwenderhandbuch.de/auto-apt.html

The text I found is in English, on the left there is a selection box
were you could chose the language, seemingly the original link is in
German.

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Re: Software installation on modern Ubuntu

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2017 20:32:34 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote:
>>OK, I see where you are coming from. It never occurred to me that
>>anyone wanting to install libgtk2.0-dev, or similar, would want to use
>>a GUI. I assumed everyone used apt for that.  Obviously I am wrong.  
>lol :)
>
>In other words gnome-software is not a good alternative for
>software-center. It's a bad parody.
>
>So Synaptic bugs should be fixed.

Synaptic suffers from far too many issues since a very long time. I
recommend to use a combination of command line tools and your favourite
GUI web browser ;). To see into what packages software from upstream is
split https://tracker.debian.org/ is helpful. Helpful
is https://packages.ubuntu.com/ in combination with Google. Yes, if you
really need to search for something, the devil works better than more
ethical search engines. There are helpers such as auto-apt,
http://www.debiananwenderhandbuch.de/auto-apt.html so you might not to
search anything. Instead of running

  make

after searching the required packages, just running

  auto-apt make

might do the job without searching and installing packages.

Note, I'm more an Arch Linux user and lost a little bit track of Ubuntu
tools, but if I want to do something on Ubuntu, I'm not missing synaptic
when using command line and a web browser. It's vice versa, I would
miss command line and a web browser, when using synaptic again.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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Btw. sometimes I want tabs and sometimes I want individual windows.

IMO it's strange to provide multiple desktop workspaces, but making it
hard to chose between a new tab or a new window for some apps.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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Xfw is missing features and eye candy, but as a quid pro quo there
are never issues, e.g. regarding /run/user/*/dconf/user permissions.

I prefer pluma and xed (and for some tasks nano) over xfw, but
sometimes xfw is helpful for my workflow as well.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 18:58:11 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:26:56 +0200, Xen wrote:
>>Linux does not have a good single-window (no tabs) text editor. Xed 
>>comes closest (from Mint) but is multi-tab.  
>
>[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ xed & xed --new-window & xed --new-window
>
>opens no tabs, just three instances of xed


I don't know if the term "instances" is appropriate, but at least three
windows are opened.



[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ xfw & xfw & xfw & pidof xfw
[1] 15520
[2] 15521
[3] 15522
15522 15521 15520
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pidof xfw
15522 15521 15520
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ xed & xed --new-window & xed --new-window & pidof 
xed 
[4] 15527
[5] 15528
[6] 15529
15529 15528 15527
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$
[5]-  Donexed --new-window
[6]+  Donexed --new-window
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pidof xed
15527
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ kill 15520 15527


It kills all three windows of xed, but just one of the three windows of
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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:26:56 +0200, Xen wrote:
>Linux does not have a good single-window (no tabs) text editor. Xed 
>comes closest (from Mint) but is multi-tab.

[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ xed & xed --new-window & xed --new-window

opens no tabs, just three instances of xed

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 17:23:16 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>I need to complain about the ongoing Windows vs Microsoft
>discussions. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. IOW if you migrate from
>Windows to Linux, please don't force native Windows users like me, to
 ^
Oops :D  ^ native Linux

>migrate to Windows habits. I dislike that by default way too much
>_wrong_ user-friendliness tends to Windows, iOS and Co restrictions.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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On Sat, 22 Jul 2017 11:26:56 +0200, Xen wrote:
>Linux does not have a good single-window (no tabs) text editor.

Perhaps xfw is "good" for your purpose?

>The only viable solution for copy and pasting in terminals

Given that you could use the completion feature via tab-key and
history features via cursor-keys and replace parts of what you already
typed instead of retyping everything, you unlikely need coping from the
clipboard. E.g

[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ 123 "hallo"
bash: 123: command not found
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ^123^ echo
 echo "hallo"
hallo
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ ls
[snip]
[rocketmouse@archlinux tmp]$ sudo !!
sudo ls
[sudo] password for rocketmouse: 
[snip]

I need to complain about the ongoing Windows vs Microsoft
discussions. When in Rome, do as the Romans do. IOW if you migrate from
Windows to Linux, please don't force native Windows users like me, to
migrate to Windows habits. I dislike that by default way too much
_wrong_ user-friendliness tends to Windows, iOS and Co restrictions.

In short, if you need to copy and paste much when using the terminal,
get used to another workflow.

>Another thing that has to be solved is running administrator-privilege 
>applications in the desktop. Having to use "kdesu" or "gksudo" or 
>equivalent is NOT acceptable. It has to be an automatic thing based on 
>standard tools. We MUST do away with the corruption that results from 
>forgetting to use these tools. Programs must also be written to allow 
>elevation while running, but that's a different discussion.

https://lists.archlinux.org/pipermail/arch-general/2017-July/043948.html

>You can delete something just fine when it is opened (the actual file
>is not deleted until all handles are closed) but you cannot unmount 
>anything, while the former action is clearly more destructive.

It is not nearly that destructive as risky unmounting is. An app might
currently not keep open a file via a needed mount point, so e.g. green
drives have time to sleep, but before closing the app, tons of data
might be written to a file via that mount point.

FWIW on my Linux installs you could only mount and unmount by command
line.

>1. A good, no-tabs notepad.

What is "good" for? Is e.g. syntax highlighting needed?

>2. Ctrl-shift-c no longer used to copy text in terminals.

Use the right-click instead or learn how to use a terminal without copy
and paste the desktop way at all.

>4. Allow editors and other such applications such as file managers to
>be elevated in-place.

This would be a step in the wrong direction. However, you at least
could run an editor without root privileges and save files with root
privileges, which does cause the confusion in the posted Arch mailing
list link above.

>5. Try to introduce a capabilities-based elevation system in which the 
>user can be informed as to what capabilities have been requested.

If a user needs a nanny, the user should use a restricted operating
system. If a user wants freedom, the user needs to learn how to use
freedom.

>7. Get rid of gksudo and kdesudo as separate applications.

Why don't you use pkexec or set up your environment in any other way,
if you dislike gksudo and kdesudo as separate applications?

If somebody does use an Ubuntu DE flavour with it's defaults, the user
don't need to care what is used at all.

>Oh and also try to ask users ;-).

Yes, ask users, but remember to ask native Linux users, don't care too
much about those who migrate from other operating systems.

Regards,
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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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My apologies, it wasn't intended to send a duplicated message, let alone
that I forgot to change the signature to...

  Death of ROXTerm
  https://sourceforge.net/p/roxterm/discussion/422638/thread/60da6975/

...because it describes the ROXTerm issue.

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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:26:47 +0200, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
>We're seeking your input on your favorite apps for the Linux desktop.  

Hi,

it would be nice, if a team with the skills and the time to do so, would
fix, IOW rewrite the discontinued ROXTerm. As far as I know, there's no
terminal available, that could compare to ROXTerm. I at least couldn't
find a replacement, even for a Linux install (not an Ubuntu flavour),
where it already is seriously broken, I'm not using another terminal.

IMO the terminal should always remain the most important part for a
Linux desktop environment. FWIW if I e.g. use a file manager, instead
of the terminal, something that happens very seldom, I chose SpaceFM,
because it allows to easily include tools by user specific scripts,
doesn't depend on crappy things such as gvfs and has several more
advantages compared to what is provided by all those desktop
environments.

Apart from this I prefer apps with a classic menu bar over comparable
apps, where it is entirely dropped.

Regards,
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Re: Ubuntu Desktop Favorite Apps

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On Fri, 21 Jul 2017 17:26:47 +0200, Dustin Kirkland wrote:
>We're seeking your input on your favorite apps for the Linux desktop.

Hi,

it would be nice, if a team with the skills and the time to do so, would
fix, IOW rewrite the discontinued ROXTerm. As far as I know, there's no
terminal available, that could compare to ROXTerm. I at least couldn't
find a replacement, even for a Linux install (not an Ubuntu flavour),
where it already is seriously broken, I'm not using another terminal.

IMO the terminal should always remain the most important part for a
Linux desktop environment. FWIW if I e.g. use a file manager, instead
of the terminal, something that happens very seldom, I chose SpaceFM,
because it allows to easily include tools by user specific scripts,
doesn't depend on crappy things such as gvfs and has several more
advantages compared to what is provided by all those desktop
environments.

Apart from this I prefer apps with a classic menu bar over comparable
apps, where it is entirely dropped.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Old Qbittorrent Version on APT

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Hi,

my apologies, there was an issue with a signature in my previous mail,
instead of deleting it, I copied it into the text by accident. As
already pointed out, actually zesty already providers 3.3.7, so the OP
could easily do a release upgrade.

Regards,
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Re: Old Qbittorrent Version on APT

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 6 Jul 2017 01:42:42 -0400, Harley Lorenzo wrote:
>The qbittorrent version on apt is out of date and needs updating. The 
>version on apt is 3.3.1 and the current version is 3.3.13. I can say 
>that version is very stable based on my own testing and that an
>upgrade should be pushed onto apt. Also, keep an eye on qbittorrent
>updates as they are frequent (about once a month, give or take) and
>they should not be a security risk or at risk for regressing. This is
>a very commonly used bittorrenting program, my favourite, and users of
>both Ubuntu and the Ubuntu derivatives would be sad to see it be
>continually abandoned as more and more updates are issued.  

Hi,

you seem not to understand that Ubuntu is a release model distro and
not a rolling release distro. Both approaches have got pros and cons.
Apart from that, you seem not to understand that software you install
via apt could depend on other software or could be a dependency for
other software. Apart from the risks that could be introduced by
updates that might be possible, the release model approach also should
provide a non-varying work-flow. 3.3.1 is the version that comes with
an LTS release, xenial. Employees using software should not be confused
by a new GUI or new features, they should be able to do their work
without bthe need to visit a training event to learn how to use an
upgraded version of software. In short, you not only chose the wrong
distro related to your needs, you also chose the wrong release of that
distro. If you make a release upgrade to zesty you get 3.3.7.

If you would migrate to the user-centric release model distro Arch
Linux, you would get

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ pacman -Q qbittorrent
qbittorrent 3.3.13-
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However, different approaches come with their individual pros and cons,
so different ditros or even different releases of a distro, have
different target groups.

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Re: Simple scan doesn't recognize my scanner Brother DCP-7060D

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sun, 2 Jul 2017 14:04:09 +0200 (CEST), Norbert SIROT wrote:
>Linux Mint 18.1.

Hi,

first of all, chances to get help are better when sending a request to
the Ubuntu users mailing list, than when asking for support on the
devel discussion mailing list. However, Linux is _not_ Mint!

Subscribe to
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users
or better to a Mint mailing list, forum or whatsoever.

"What is this list for?

ubuntu-users is a mailing list staffed by volunteer community members
to provide technical support to Ubuntu Users.

Users of Ubuntu and officially supported derivatives (Kubuntu,
Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu) can get support here. Users of derivatives
(such as Backtrack and Linux Mint) are not officially supported."
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUsersListFAQ#FAQ2

Btw. do you think your request to his mailing list fits to one of
the following points?

"About Ubuntu-devel-discuss 
English (USA)


- Sharing of experiences with the current development branch of
- Ubuntu Technical questions about new features in the development
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Re: LibreOffice bug - cannot run office because of 'missing file' in 5.1.4.2 28 June, 2017

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 29 Jun 2017 08:17:00 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:49:06 -0700, paulwhee...@cox.net wrote:
>>Frustrated, and falling behind in my work, because of your bug.  
>
>No, because you are ignoring the messages you get by synaptic

PS:

If you would use an Ubuntu flavour, you could expect help by the Ubuntu
users mailing list,
https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users.

"Users of Ubuntu and officially supported derivatives (Kubuntu,
Edubuntu, Xubuntu, Lubuntu) can get support here. Users of derivatives
(such as Backtrack and Linux Mint) are not officially supported." -
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuUsersListFAQ#FAQ1

The list of Ubuntu flavours is outdated, anyway, Mint still isn't an
Ubuntu flavour, https://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu-flavours ,
https://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/flavours . Consider to
migrate to an Ubuntu flavour or ask for help by Mint support.

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Re: LibreOffice bug - cannot run office because of 'missing file' in 5.1.4.2 28 June, 2017

[Ralf Mardorf]

Hi,

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:49:06 -0700, paulwhee...@cox.net wrote:
>Frustrated, and falling behind in my work, because of your bug.

No, because you are ignoring the messages you get by synaptic, as well
as sending tons of requests, instead of just one smart request and apart
from this you are sending it to a mailing list of the wrong distro.
It's all your fault.

Take a look at http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html .

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 12:28:23 -0700, paulwhee...@cox.net wrote:
>Also, if the program was installed by synaptic, and all entries
>looked good during that installation, then how can there be a problem
>resolving dependencies?

This could happen if you are e.g. using official Ubuntu repositories
with a third party repository, maybe a Mint repository. However, in your
case it might be an user error, related to held packages, at least the
messages complain about a possible hold package.

On Wed, 28 Jun 2017 11:35:32 -0700, paulwhee...@cox.net wrote:
>I would appreciate not getting any excuses for why your team is not 
>responsible for this package, because the attached photo says you are!
>I doubt that hardware or OS has anything to do with this bug,
>
>
>Bug Report:
>
>I created a new linuxmint installation.

Mint isn't an Ubuntu flavour, IOW you sent your request to a mailing
list of another distro.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: CVE-2017-1000364 kernel fix brake user-space programs

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 23 Jun 2017 22:52:40 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote:
>It is not OK.
>Do you plan to revert this security patch?

Hi,

I'm not an Ubuntu developer.

Did you read about CVE-2017-1000364, 
https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=ubuntu+CVE-2017-1000364 ?

Do you really expect a fix for a _high severity_ vulnerability to be
removed?

Sometimes it happens that getting rid of vulnerabilities breaks
software, not only caused by kernel fixe, sometimes user
space software gets completely dropped, if continuing to provide it
would cause a serious risk.

Regards,
Ralf

PS:

FWIW for good reasons not only Debian based distros, such as the Ubuntu
flavours care much about this high severity vulnerability:

https://www.google.de/?gws_rd=ssl#q=arch+linux+CVE-2017-1000364

[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ arch-audit --upgradable --quiet | grep linux
linux>=4.11.6-3

This isn't some minor annoyance bug.

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Re: [kernel-hardening] Why does no one care that Brad Spengler of GRSecurity is blatantly violating the intention of the rightsholders to the Linux Kernel?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 13:52:04 -0700, Brendan || Lyn Perrine wrote:
>On Thu, 15 Jun 2017 16:17:53 + aconcernedfoss...@airmail.cc wrote:
>> Oh exaulted one, I am so sorry to have wasted your inbox space.
>> You see we all live for you, exalted aryan queen!

Hi,

should we tolerate the above tone of voice from an anonymous disposable
email account? We all make mistakes, but we are using our real names
and/or identifiable email accounts.

>I personally care about gpl enforcement but am a bit too broke right
>now to donate money and do not possess the social skills to be in a
>courtroom nor do I personally have any code in the linux kernel. 

It's not my domain, but seemingly Ubuntu provides AppArmor and no
GRSecurity at all. However, the problem with this person aren't the
concerns. It's the tone of voice and that there isn't an evidence for a
violation.

Regards,
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Re: Issue installing Jenkins and get "Depends: daemon but it is not installable" Can you help?

[Ralf Mardorf]

PS:

FWIW https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users seems to be
a better place for requests like yours.

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Re: Issue installing Jenkins and get "Depends: daemon but it is not installable" Can you help?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 10:05:47 -0500, Scott Fenech wrote:
>https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2363054

Hi,

if IIUC the issue is solved now?

As a site note

1. Users should always run

 sudo apt update

before "install".

2.   sudo gdebi path/package

as well as

 sudo dpkg --force-depends -i path/package; sudo apt-get -f install

are obsolet, instead simply using the by default installed apt, IOW
running

 sudo apt install path/package

does the job.

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Re: gnome-sudoku

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 29 May 2017 07:00:08 + (UTC), Ηλίας Ηλιάδης wrote:
>The discussion is not about gnome having it fixed (or gnome doing
>anything else). Is about "IF UBUNTU" must have such games in its
>standard repositories.

Hi,

if it's part of GNOME, than why not providing it by the official
repositories? Because it's broken? If so, the right way wouldn't be to
remove the game, the correct way would be to report it to the
appropriate bugtracker (distro and/or upstream bugtracker/s). Should
each buggy app get removed from official repositories? Upstream of
Free/Libre and Open Source Software, as well as your distro of choice
needs assistance from the users, if all the software that has got a
bug would get removed, we would have no Free/Libre and Open Source
Software software at all.

Don't get me wrong, I don't care about games and wouldn't miss any
game, even if all games would get removed. I just try to explain you
again, that a bug report is required. Removing buggy software is only a
solution under exceptional circumstances, e.g. if a serious bug was
reported and the packagers and/or upstream is unwilling to fix it.

So what's your argument, why this software should get removed? Is it a
known bug and does upstream ignore the bug report? If so, provide a
link to the bug report.

Regards,
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Re: gnome-sudoku

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 5 May 2017 08:41:13 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>You need to provide the version that is installed. To get the version,
>you could open a terminal and run
>
>dpkg -l 'gnome-sudoku'|grep ii|awk '{print $3}'|cut -d: -f2|cut -d- -f1
>
>Maybe you just need to run
>
>gnome-sudoku -v
>
>or
>
>gnome-sudoku -V
>
>or
>
>gnome-sudoku --version
>
>I don't have games installed, so I don't know.

PS: Perhaps the GUI's menu provides "About" to get the version number.

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Re: gnome-sudoku

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 5 May 2017 04:22:05 + (UTC), Ηλίας Ηλιάδης wrote:
> gnome-sudoku1. The new interface is hiding the numbers via the pop-up
> (when a cell is clicked). This is very annoying. The player cannot
> see the "full image".

Hi,

you should report this upstream, https://bugzilla.gnome.org/ , since it
doesn't sound like an issue related to Ubuntu.

You need to provide the version that is installed. To get the version,
you could open a terminal and run

dpkg -l 'gnome-sudoku'|grep ii|awk '{print $3}'|cut -d: -f2|cut -d- -f1

Maybe you just need to run

gnome-sudoku -v

or

gnome-sudoku -V

or

gnome-sudoku --version

I don't have games installed, so I don't know.

If you post to an Ubuntu mailing list, you at least should provide the
release of the Ubuntu flavour you have got installed. Open a terminal
and run

lsb_release -d

to get the required information.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Keyboard layout switching in modern Ubuntus

[Ralf Mardorf]

Oops, a small error has crept in.

This...

On Tue, 2 May 2017 08:47:45 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:

should read...

On Tue, 2 May 2017 00:40:49 +0300, Nrbrtx wrote:
>What is the future of unity-control-center?

Unity desktop will be discontinued soon.

Regards
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Re: Keyboard layout switching in modern Ubuntus

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2 May 2017 08:47:45 +0100, Dimitri John Ledkov wrote:
>What is the future of unity-control-center?

Unity desktop will be discontinued soon.

Regards
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Re: backports for trusty

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Fri, 14 Apr 2017 06:32:47 +0200, Enrico Weigelt wrote:
>I've collected several packages which I maintain locally (eg. right
>now I'm packaging recent cairo w/ drm patches applied) and I'd like
>to put that into bigger community.

Hi,

I'm neither an Ubuntu developer, nor do I maintains some backports.
However, a lot of backports easily could be counter-productive regarding
the Long Term Support's policy.

Consider to provide your packages by a PPA.

https://developer.ubuntu.com/en/publish/other-forms-of-submitting-apps/ppa/
https://help.launchpad.net/Packaging/PPA

Note, you can't just upload the local packages you already build. It
requires a little bit more effort to provide packages by a repository.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: XPenguins on Linux Mint 16 (Sarah)

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 27 Mar 2017 16:07:47 +1100, Timothy Herrmann wrote:
>Currently XPenguins doesn't work on Linux Mint 16 (currently 2017) and 
>instead says: "Redrawing overwritten desktop icons". I assume that the 
>message is saying that it is redrawing icons that were overwritten by 
>penguins mining them when the application hasn't even started. Using 
>WinPenguins on Windows is rather quite fun and I would like (and lots
>of other people too :D) to use XPenguins on linux again.

If you wish that somebody solves the issue, it belongs to the bug
tracker of the distro you are using and not to a discussion list of
another distro, that has got less to do with the distro you are
using. Mint is free to use packages from Ubuntu, but the Ubuntu
community can't solve issues caused by a derivative. Let alone that you
even didn't mention on what Ubuntu release Mint 16 Sarah is based and if
XPenguins including it's complete dependency chain, is from official
Ubuntu repositories only. If you at least would mention this, you could
expect help from perhaps Ubuntu users (I don't recommend to ask at the
Ubuntu users list, since by the policy it's unwanted, but some users
are likely willing to help, if it should be something users could
solve).

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Package: virtualbox-ext-pack

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 20 Mar 2017 11:12:09 +0300, Андрей Воронов wrote:
>I use VirtualBox 5.1 from repository:
>
>deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian xenial contrib
>
>but the package virtualbox-ext-pack is trying download version 5.0:

Hi,

you are using a third party repository.

It's not an official Ubuntu repository, so you are writing to the wrong
mailing list.

Take a look at

http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian/pool/contrib/v/virtualbox-5.1/

there is no package with this name.

Official repositories provide

http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/virtualbox
http://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial-updates/virtualbox-ext-pack

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Re: Gnash

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 17:07 +0100, Nils Kassube wrote:
> Due to the path above, I think the culprit isn't apt but synaptic. It 
> should probably use a path outside the /root directory.

I was thinking about "user '_apt'", not "apt", but you a right, the path
/root/ is an issue. Not for synaptic and other app's settings, but for
temporary files that are related to _"apt"_/"user '_apt'".

Regards,
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Re: Gnash

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Mon, 14 Nov 2016 07:42:22 +, Colin Law wrote:
>On 14 Nov 2016 7:22 a.m., "Till Uhlmann"  wrote:
>>
>> I'm unable to unistall gnash from my system. Ubuntu 16.04 Mate.
>> "W: Can't drop privileges for downloading as file
>> '/root/.synaptic/tmp//tmp_cl' couldn't be accessed by user '_apt'. -
>> pkgAcquire::Run (13: Keine Berechtigung)"
    (13: Permission denied)

Please always run

  LANG=C 

e.g.

  LANG=C apt purge gnash

or

  sudo LANG=C synaptic

and always mention what release and flavour you are using, e.g. run

  lsb_release -rc

and if required inform us if this is e.g. lubuntu, ubuntu-mate or
another flavour.

Also consider to sent such a request to the users mailing list.
  
>> is the information i got by
>> trying uninstall gnash-common/gnash may i need only a valid apt-key
>> for reinstall gnash correct bevore uninstalling again  
>
>How exactly are you trying to install it?

I can't confirm this bug, but seemingly some people suffer from this:

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/aptitude/+bug/1543280 [1]

Please post the output of

  getent passwd _apt

here it looks like this

[root@moonstudio ~]# getent passwd _apt
_apt:x:113:65534::/nonexistent:/bin/false

You can run this as user, I run as root, because I run it in a
container, without booting (systemd-nspawn -qD /mnt/moonstudio).

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
Running

  cat /etc/passwd | grep apt

is disgusting, this should read

  grep apt /etc/passwd

or

  getent passwd _apt

even when first using

  cat /etc/passwd

we could then type

  ^cat^grep apt

and enter, to replace "cat" with "grep apt"

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Re: Adding a kernel removal script to linux-base or elsewhere

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:51:02 + (UTC), Jarno Suni wrote:
>I have tried to make my script safe. Besides it has an optional
>simulation mode: no files or packages will be removed, when using it;
>the script forces to run the simulation mode as normal user. And the
>script has a bug tracker in Launchpad, so people can easily find known
>issues with the script.  

Don't worry, I don't have concerns against anybodies or your scripts.
As Gunnar, my opinion is, that the warning paragraph of the Wiki should
be completely removed. I tried to workaround by editing the paragraph
from "on your own risk" to "ask if you don't understand the content",
but it's definitively better that Gunnar removed it, especially since
my workaround was written in broken English. I usually try to edit
technically issues and not to write long explanations in English. This
is completely unrelated to your script. I just read the link you posted
and as a member of the documentation team, I edit Wikis, if I notice
something and assuming I have got the time to do so.

It's exactly my point that the community notices mistakes and will
correct them, e.b. by reporting bugs, or by disagreeing on a mailing
list, ask Ubuntu, etc. or editing the Wiki.

Regards,
Ralf

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Re: Adding a kernel removal script to linux-base or elsewhere

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 18:40:01 +0200, Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>I don't think there is a need for that kind of qualification at an 
>individual page in the community help wiki, so I just removed the
>whole section.

Full ACK![1]

I wanted to remove it right now, but you already have done it :), thank
you.

Regards,
Ralf

[1]
"actually I would completely prefer to remove this warning, but
since another author thinks it is required to warn against other help
sites, I guess at least editing it, to make it sound less negative is
appropriate, since at least ask Ubuntu and Ubuntu mailing list archives,
are monitored by the community and usually secure sources of
information. So "on your own risk", should IMO read "ask if you
don't understand the content"." -
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2016-October/017083.html

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Re: Adding a kernel removal script to linux-base or elsewhere

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 16:09:42 + (UTC), Jarno Suni wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 15, 2016 6:55 PM, wrote:  
>> I think this is a form of vandalism Ralf. A paranoid message about
>> how users must double check the correct source of whatever script
>> they use. Someone points you to a page he's done and you immediately
>> start to edit it? Because you know better? Jeez...
>
>FWIW, actually I have not written that part of the page. That is Ian
>Weissers' text.
>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu/Documentation/RemoveOldKernels?action=diff=10=9
>  

JFTR I didn't claim that you have written it ;), Xen claimed you have
done the site. However, even Xen is free to revert it. If Xen wants to
discuss it, there's an appropriate list and I'm even not subscribed to
it, so Xen won't be annoyed by me.

https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-doc

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Re: Adding a kernel removal script to linux-base or elsewhere

[Ralf Mardorf]

List owners, could you please ask Xen to stop stalking?

On Sat, 15 Oct 2016 17:55:04 +0200, Xen wrote:
>Ralf Mardorf schreef op 15-10-2016 17:22:
>
>> "Cryptic Shell Commands
>> 
>> There are various cryptic shell incantations floating around help
>> sites and search engines that promise to remove older kernels.
>> Copy-and-paste mysterious incantations into your system at your own
>> risk."
>> 
>> should read
>> 
>> "Shell commands and scripts
>> 
>> There are help sites that help to remove older kernels, too.
>> Before you copy-and-paste or install scripts suggested by users of
>> official Ubuntu channels, send a request to this channel, to ensure
>> that you would do the right thing. Be even more careful with hints
>> from websites, that aren't monitored by the Ubuntu community."
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Ralf  
>
>I think this is a form of vandalism Ralf. A paranoid message about how 
>users must double check the correct source of whatever script they
>use. Someone points you to a page he's done and you immediately start
>to edit it? Because you know better? Jeez...

No, actually I would completely prefer to remove this warning, but since
another author thinks it is required to warn against other help sites,
I guess at least editing it, to make it sound less negative is
appropriate, since at least ask Ubuntu and Ubuntu mailing list archives,
are monitored by the community and usually secure sources of
information. So "on your own risk", should IMO read "ask if you
don't understand the content".

However, stop trolling!

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