Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread ttoine 
>
> One should not have to be an engineer or coder to use Linux multimedia. (I
> think that means we all agree :)  )
>
-> yes !!!

So... Can we create a new website to gather a community of non
engineer/coder users ?
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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
Off-topic, but a topic of uproar and hypocrisy.

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 09:47:55 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>I was planning to do that this weekend (but ended up creating
>web site and wiki for a refugee initiative instead).

That's good and more important then another Linux website.

A banker, a yellow press reader and a refugee have to portion 20
cookies. The banker captures 19 cookies and says to the yellow press
reader that he should take care, the refugee might want to steel the
remaining cookie.

I need to vent, it's off-topic, but I don't care, I'll include a
software request ;). I'm writing applications for jobs to help refugees.
Those jobs aren't full jobs, they are badly paid, impermanent,
insecure, since there's no social protection. Such work be held in low
esteem and a lot of people, including me, aren't allowed to upgrade
one's education. Since I'm an atheist it's even hard to get such a job,
requirement usually is to believe in God. Church tax in Germany is not
used for social work, for this work church gets additional money,
church tax is just to increase wealth of the church that isn't shared
with people in need. Weapons dealers and bankers from our European
countries OTOH be held in high esteem, are rolling in money, have
nothing to worry, since they are living in social security, although
they are responsible for the circumstances. If the weapon dealer and
bankers do bad jobs, they get money from the folk to rescue them. Those
who beliefe in a god should consider what kind of idiot this god must
be. European politician btw. can do what they want, they get money and
social security for their whole life, if they "worked" as politician
for a short time. The "work" often is just to sign some attendance
register from time to time.

However, is there some PDF software to issue a PDF application? IOW to
add a photo to the personal data sheet etc., without the need to read
user manuals for hours? PDFs are requirements for applications and most
of the times a mobile phone number is another requirement, landline
(that's what I've got) often isn't accepted. Too funny, since many
Germans dislike poor people who own mobile phones. It's a status
symbol, a very strange status symbole, since it's easy to get it. For
many Germans it's really a problem if refugees own mobile phones. That's
strange since this is one of the few things everybody, even the poorest
human easily can own in Germany. I don't have one because I dislike
mobile phones, they aren't expensive, but they are an evil sign of the
times.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:


I'm sure we could. But how would that help gathering new users? And why
can't we do that where the web site is today?


I don't know. Of course the end user has no clue where (or how) the site 
is being hosted anyway. Most people get to sites via links. However, it 
does seem that any page looking for help in US should be created first to 
appeal to the end user rather than coders. I am thinking someone who can 
code would find their way in regardless. I think showing an active 
interest in the end user would atract people who can do distro 
packaging/configuration.



To bring in more people into the community I think active PR and
communication are key. Making the web site at least responsive I think is
important and I was planning to do that this weekend (but ended up creating
web site and wiki for a refugee initiative instead). I don't see any direct
advantages with moving the web site to other servers. But I could be wrong?


It is all PR, yes. Active for sure. Needs someone who understands what FB, 
twitter, etc. has that email and irc does not. I personally do not have 
any use for these things at all. mail lists and irc fill all my needs and 
already take up more of my time than I (or my wife) like.



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] "elementary OS" ... ONE Ubuntustudio user's thoughts ...

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, C. F. Howlett wrote:

Perhaps I missed it, but I saw precious little consideration or discussion in 
this thread about what Ubuntustudio USERS want/need from a multimedia OS.


Want and need are two different things... But (and this maybe shows my 
lack in PR) to me the whole thread has been about the end user. All of my 
changes have been towards the end user... true, from my POV :)


However, I am very willing to make Studio's setup work for what those who 
understand the end user better than I do come up with. I do maybe have a 
bit of an understanding what can be done or not and how much work a 
feature whould take. Also if a feature request really belongs with Studio 
or upstream. Perhaps I might be able to help word an upstream request so 
that it makes sense to a coder then again.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, Mike Holstein wrote:


On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 6:09 AM, Ralf Mardorf 
wrote:
  Off-topic, but a topic of uproar and hypocrisy.


The off topic stuff mostly deleted, though interesting.


  However, is there some PDF software to issue a PDF application?


All Linux software that can print, can also print to a pdf. This is a part 
of CUPS rather than the application itself. Some applications can also 
export to PDF directly.


However, I am wondering if you are talking about PDFs with forms? My wife 
has had a few of those and as she uses Kubuntu, She used Ocular (I think) 
to fill them out before printing them or emailing them.



  add a photo to the personal data sheet etc., without the need to


I don't recall any of those forms needing a photo, but if you are 
attaching it to your CV made in a word processor, the print to pdf should 
render the photo just fine. I have used the print to pdf feature for web 
pages I have some interest in that may dissapear (I learned that web sites 
do vanish in time). They have included various graphics that show in the 
pdf also. I do not knknow if evince will allow editing of a pdf form as 
well becasue I don't remember trying. pdf forms have been around a while 
though.



  user manuals for hours? PDFs are requirements for applications


As I said, just select print, then when selecting the printer select, 
select print to file.


Mobile phone means "I am willing to be bugged no matter what I am doing." 
That is the kind of worker they are looking for.



you can export pdf from most applications. the issue is, when one wants to
edit, easily, that pdf, when, we are not promised that with the pdf format,


There are pdf forms (see above) that Canadian gov sites and others make 
downloadable. They can still be printed and hand filled, but also computer 
filled and resaved and emailed or printed.


And Also above, Any Linux App that can print can also save to pdf.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015, ttoine wrote:


  One should not have to be an engineer or coder to use Linux
  multimedia. (I think that means we all agree :)  )

-> yes !!! 

So... Can we create a new website to gather a community of non
engineer/coder users ?


As I am one of those "leave comments here -> []" kind of people. (that is 
PR is not something I understand) I would not know how to start. I would 
think a reasonable large banner on any of our web sites that asks for 
comments could do that. The thing to be aware is that people will ask for 
impossible features... with either mac/win does this or with stuff nothing 
does right now or may nothing ever will do.


Having someone who can answer these politely and translate these thoughts 
to modifications for Studio would be required. The thing also is the 
person(s) answering these ideas needs to have some intuition which of 
these people would be helpful for refining their ideas to a final actual 
solution.


It is also good to remember that those who do know a little about coding 
are working (very) part time and helping useful idea people stay around 
when things are not moving fast enough to keep their interest  :)  is a 
talent too.


All this to say, how do we do that?



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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 08:28:13 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
>It is all PR, yes. Active for sure. Needs someone who understands what
>FB, twitter, etc. has that email and irc does not. I personally do not
>have any use for these things at all.

:D

That's also not my domain.

What I'm missing for modern websites is the old faithful site map.
Nowadays there are tons of flashing and moving pictures and buttons.

One thing that is really bad public relations on
https://ubuntustudio.org/ is the "News Archive".

August 2015

"Your chance to help – Beta Testing

If you would like to lend a hand to the volunteer project Ubuntu
Studio, this is the perfect time. It’s Beta testing time! You’ll need
to at least get yourself an account at launchpad.net, and subscribe to
our devel mail list in order to assist. Read more about how to do
testing in this post […] August 21, 2015 — No comments » News"

Were is the box to add a comment?

Ok,nobody needs it, since nobody who want to get the good OOTB
experience likes to get an account to assist.

The next news is from May 2015.

"Precise and linux-lowlatency-3.2 EOL

Since 3 years has become a new standard as the support period for
Ubuntu flavor LTS releases, we decided to end support for Ubuntu Studio
12.04 Precise Pangolin after 3 years. While we do that, we also end
support for linux-lowlatency 3.2. The most recent update will be the
last one. If you are still […] May 1, 2015 — 3 comments » News, Planet
Ubuntu"

Geek-speak about something that becomes discontinued. Much white space,
but no comment is visible. I'm willing to click the shadowed link.

"12.04 kernel seems to be better lowlatency than the new one. Any
advice for improving the latency performance? It’s still workable, but
makes me nervous…"

Let's continue with the next outdated news, April 2015.

"Ubuntu Studio 15.04 Vivid Vervet released!

Another short term release is out. Not much is new"

Comment:

"I can’t get 15.04 to boot from GRUB after installing. It starts by
saying “ooting in secure mode. B”… kind of disorganized.

14.04 would crash at the GRUB install stage."


OTOH PR that just claims how good the shiny product is will scare away
smart, independent users. A bunch of lies and censorship are a
no-go. Also wording to window-dress weak points is embarrassing, e.g.
from the website of Linux audio software "the most flexible mixer
architecture in the industry, hundreds of plugins, and external control
surfaces", every experienced user, not only experience engineers expect
something practical. A user wants a few plugins that do a good job, a
user wants a mixer, not a box of bricks. This example is
horoscope language. Good PR would claim, to provide a mixer in the
classical sense, no learning curve, a mixer we know how to use. Good PR
describes the features. "We provide a vocoder that can do all you
expect from a vocoder." "We provide 3 kinds of common used delay
effects that adjust delay times automatically to the change in tempo of
your song." "We provide a full orchestra plugin."

At least what already is provided for smart phone applications
that cost less than 10$/10€.

Who want's to read about a kernel? About unfinished mixers and obscure
plugins. What want users? Do they expect to get auto-tune or a Bob Katz
meter?

People are willing to pay hundreds of $/€ to get analog guitar effects.
Nearly nobody will use stand alone digital effects or guitar effects for
Microsoft, Apple or Windows computers for a long time, excepted of a
few expensive digital guitar effects.

The enthusiasm for what we get with Linux is biased.

Before you/we can make PR, we need products ;).

Linux mailing lists are overspammed with requests regarding plugin
hosts that crash.

Good PR would be to eliminate packages that provide plugins that make
the host crash, that cause DC offsets, that are named with something
they don't provide. Terms such as "EQ" and "Vocoder" are often used for
something that not really is an "EQ" or a "Vocoder". I'm not willing to
do this work. I will get a job, pay for a new sound card and mixer,
to get enough I/Os to use my external stand alone gear.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Antoine Thomas 
Think to installer cups-pdf and you have a pdf printer for all apps.
Le 7 sept. 2015 18:46, "Ralf Mardorf"  a écrit :

> On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 10:35:17 -0400, Mike Holstein wrote:
> >libreoffice
>
> Thank you,
>
> it's my thought too, to use something I'm used to and than to export to
> a PDF. One issue is that I've got scanned certificates, but I guess
> I can send several PDFs and assumed everything should be in one PDF,
> IIRC I once used a command line tool to merge PDFs.
>
> If I type "pdf" in a terminal and then press the tab-key, I get several
> tools.
>
> On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 07:55:10 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote:
> >I have used the print to pdf feature for web pages I have some
> >interest in that may dissapear (I learned that web sites do vanish in
> >time). They have included various graphics that show in the pdf also.
> >I do not knknow if evince will allow editing of a pdf form as well
> >becasue I don't remember trying. pdf forms have been around a while
> >though.
>
> That's what I often do. In former times I printed websites I wanted to
> read without sitting in front of my computer. Nowadays I use the
> browser's print option to get PDFs and then I use my iPad as a reader. I
> just read those PDFs and I guess they aren't editable. I guess it's
> impossible to copy and paste, IIRC those PDF texts are pictures, not
> text.
>
>
> >Mobile phone means "I am willing to be bugged no matter what I am
> >doing." That is the kind of worker they are looking for.
>
> But those workers with mobile phones who are always reachable for the
> employer OTOH misuse their smart phones 3/4 of the working time and
> just work 1/4 of the time. I remember a funny situation when I put
> together a trampoline for kids. To mount the frame two hands are not
> enough, but less people are able to assist with a free hand, because
> they need their hands for the smart phones.
>
> Btw. more than 20 years ago I had a girlfriend that gave her employer
> my landline phone number. She aborted vacation for several hours to
> boot up a computer. It wasn't a real case of emergency, it was a case
> of bollocks. Nobody was able to press a button.
>
> >Any Linux App that can print can also save to pdf.
>
> Thanks, I wasn't sure that all apps are able to do this.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread lukefromdc 
That is so true! For years I used Audacity in UbuntuStudio to make radio pieces
about exactly that sort of thing. Someone mentioned the "loudness wars," well
you would not believe how much compression is needed for a low powered station
(especially AM) when there is no analog compressor/limiter in the line to the 
transmitter! The maximum level is controlled easily enough by the master volume
but without boatloads of compression you can lose half your broadcast range.

Radio amateurs take this to the extreme, they used flat-out clipping followed 
by 
aggressive filtration to limit frequency range as far back as the early 1960's. 
This 
gives understandable but not natural sounding speech, and can be equivalent to 
almost ten times more transmitter power. That combined with huge antennas
allows a 100W transmitter on SW to talk halfway around the world when a 50,000
watt broadcast setup can have dead spots 5 miles from the antenna.

On 9/7/2015 at 6:06 AM, "Ralf Mardorf"  wrote:
>
>Off-topic, but a topic of uproar and hypocrisy.
>
>On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 09:47:55 +0200, Jimmy Sjölund wrote:
>>I was planning to do that this weekend (but ended up creating
>>web site and wiki for a refugee initiative instead).
>
>That's good and more important then another Linux website.
>
>A banker, a yellow press reader and a refugee have to portion 20
>cookies. The banker captures 19 cookies and says to the yellow 
>press
>reader that he should take care, the refugee might want to steel 
>the
>remaining cookie.
>
>I need to vent, it's off-topic, but I don't care, I'll include a
>software request ;). I'm writing applications for jobs to help 
>refugees.
>Those jobs aren't full jobs, they are badly paid, impermanent,
>insecure, since there's no social protection. Such work be held in 
>low
>esteem and a lot of people, including me, aren't allowed to upgrade
>one's education. Since I'm an atheist it's even hard to get such a 
>job,
>requirement usually is to believe in God. Church tax in Germany is 
>not
>used for social work, for this work church gets additional money,
>church tax is just to increase wealth of the church that isn't 
>shared
>with people in need. Weapons dealers and bankers from our European
>countries OTOH be held in high esteem, are rolling in money, have
>nothing to worry, since they are living in social security, 
>although
>they are responsible for the circumstances. If the weapon dealer 
>and
>bankers do bad jobs, they get money from the folk to rescue them. 
>Those
>who beliefe in a god should consider what kind of idiot this god 
>must
>be. European politician btw. can do what they want, they get money 
>and
>social security for their whole life, if they "worked" as 
>politician
>for a short time. The "work" often is just to sign some attendance
>register from time to time.
>
>However, is there some PDF software to issue a PDF application? 
>IOW to
>add a photo to the personal data sheet etc., without the need to 
>read
>user manuals for hours? PDFs are requirements for applications and 
>most
>of the times a mobile phone number is another requirement, landline
>(that's what I've got) often isn't accepted. Too funny, since many
>Germans dislike poor people who own mobile phones. It's a status
>symbol, a very strange status symbole, since it's easy to get it. 
>For
>many Germans it's really a problem if refugees own mobile phones. 
>That's
>strange since this is one of the few things everybody, even the 
>poorest
>human easily can own in Germany. I don't have one because I dislike
>mobile phones, they aren't expensive, but they are an evil sign of 
>the
>times.
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 

On Fri, 4 Sep 2015, ttoine wrote:


64 Studio, Dynabolic, AV LInux, ... were not easy to use Linux distros. e.g:


I agree, after trying some of these, I ended back with Slackware and 
AudioSlack. Ubuntu was usable for me. Really, the HW I had was not as good 
as the Atari Megga2 I was using for sequencing along with an F8 fostex 
open reel 8 track.



The fact is I now many sound engineers who are fed up with the way you work
to record and mix in Pro-Tools. The music creation is another workflow, you
do that with Cubase, Logic, or Live. And yes, you are right most of plugins


There are a lot of different styles of recording. Personally, I am very 
linear. I like almost live as second to live. I would never use anything 
from one chorus to the next as I expect them all to be at least slightly 
different. The same words have different meaning because of the verse 
coming before. I do not really understand the Ableton Live/LMMS style of 
stuff, but do know some people and styles of music require it. Finding SW 
that helps just makes sense.



and software are not available for Linux (and I spoke a lot about that with
Steinberg...). However, some industry leaders are taking that in account,
like Harrison. And Harrison customers are industry leaders too in recording,
movie, broadcast, etc. Bitwig, created by former Abletong employee, is also
a very good creative tool.


Pointing people at non-free plugins that we can't include would be good. 
Running win/OSx plugins is still not reliable. Installing Wine wants to do 
bad things to my system too.



  Most people aren't interested in a Bob Katz meter, they want
  mastering
  software that is state-of-the-art.

  Most people want loudness-war mixes.


Any SW that offers K* meters also offers peak meters. Right click (as 
always) is your friend.



You are wrong, it is nearly over. iTunes, Youtube and Spotify are now
requesting specific parameters for the masters, and will automatically lower
music level to match the spec. Just follow that kind of news:
http://dynamicrangeday.co.uk/news/


Good.


  Another issue are the Linux (audio) communities. There unlikely
  is a
  place with more narrow-minded narcissist then Linux (audio)
  communities.

I agree. This has always been a serious issue, from the beginning of Ubuntu
Studio.


Please look at this from both sides. People start friendly and answer 
questions freely, but they do get tired of answering the same questions 
over and over. Having a list of sites to point people at is good. Also, 
some new users are just incredibly rude. The "You have to support this" 
attitude shows up often enough to rub anyone the wrong way. Some of these 
requests make sense even, but require a lot of work and are not going to 
be worked on right now or even in the next year. Some users do not want to 
hear this.


Many users act as if they had paid for the distro/SW/whatever and must be 
served on a 24/7 basis within seconds of saying "hello". They are not 
willing to read anything, but rather expect to talk to some real person. 
Then they expect that person to guess their setup (ESP?) and do not like 
to be told "that won't work". Many of these queries can only be answered 
by people who understand the technical side of things... and these people 
get worn out.


We need tools to help ease this.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] "elementary OS" ... ONE Ubuntustudio user's thoughts ...

2015-09-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
What about a 2 pages on the Ubuntu Studio website. One to black and
whitelist plugins and another to balck and whitelist hardware.

Plugin name:
Host name
Ubuntu release:
Package version host:
Package version plugin:
Description:

Hardware:
Ubuntu Release:
Kernel version:
Firmware version:
Description:

Without the need to have an account to post such a report.

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[ubuntu-studio-devel] Another new user request...

2015-09-07 Thread Len Ovens 


https://community.ardour.org/node/8986

Also note the "It was really easy to get going on Ubuntu 14.02 LTS."

This is something that could help new people though, is a demo project for 
the SW we ship. It is a very big project, and would require someone 
familiar with both the kind of media as well as the application itself. 
Anything we could find on the internet that we could point to and that is 
up to date enough to be useful would be great.


Someone who is really good at google (or other) searches, might find a 
few.


I noticed he is also using LMMS which is towards an Ablton Live kind of 
thing and reminded me of OpenAV's Luppp which is of course nowhere to be 
found in our repos. While luppp is probably not a replacement for Live, it 
is more similar than I have seen. (not knowing too much about this style 
of audio creation)


This page says Luppp is in ubuntu: 
https://objectivewave.wordpress.com/2013/12/15/luppp-in-the-repo/


But synaptic says not... Anyway, it could be a good thing to have.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Off-topic: Elementary OS

2015-09-07 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Mon, 07 Sep 2015 13:53:07 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>Radio amateurs take this to the extreme, they used flat-out clipping
>followed by aggressive filtration to limit frequency range as far back
>as the early 1960's. This gives understandable but not natural
>sounding speech, and can be equivalent to almost ten times more
>transmitter power. That combined with huge antennas allows a 100W
>transmitter on SW to talk halfway around the world when a 50,000 watt
>broadcast setup can have dead spots 5 miles from the antenna.

Btw. there's Linux software available for "Moonbounce or
Earth-Moon-Earth (EME) is a way of communicating by reflecting radio
signals from the Moon between two suitably equipped stations." -
http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Moonbounce_%28EME%29_Scheduling_%28Sked%29_and_tracking_software

The radio link also mentions Marble.

IMO Marble could be used to describe the difference between Linux for
special tasks and what's expected by averaged users.

The idea of Marbel is very good, an enthusiasts will appreciate Marbel.
A user that expects an alternative to Street View in Google Earth
unlikely will use Marbel as a replacement.

IMO this is applicable for Linux audio compared to Non-Linux audio
alternatives. Perhaps the target group for PR and what is provided
by Ubuntu Studio should be enthusiasts and not the averaged computer
user.

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