Re: [ubuntu-uk] graphic display of diffs

2010-08-07 Thread Neil Greenwood
As I understand it, OP wants to, in effect, be able to get Meld running on another person's machine without them having to select the documents. Or to put it another way, he's got the comparisons between the 2 (3?) files, and wants to share those in a GUI. John, the only solution I can think of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Neil Greenwood
Edubuntu is still going. Also GNOME runs perfectly on my 1GHz desktop, so I don't think you *need* to look at Xubuntu. Just make sure you have a decent amount of RAM. Cofion, Neil P.S. Sorry for the top post. On 8/7/10, Rob Beard r...@esdelle.co.uk wrote: On 06/08/10 23:41, Chris Rowson wrote:

[ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 07:49, Neil Greenwood neil.greenwood@gmail.com wrote: P.S. Sorry for the top post. Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying sorry IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will be upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying sorry IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will be upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as many people are) of how irritating top posting can be. Whoa, Whoa, Whoa, WHOA! Ease Up - I know some

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread David Jones
One thing to remember is that a lot of people are replying using mobile phones, so it's not as easy to chose whether you top or bottom post. Replying on my Android phone, the quoted text is in a separate input box with replies appearing to automatically default to top posting. So, apologies if

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
My objection was to the apologies for top posting thing... it shows that he knows it is an issue, yet does nothing about it. Clearly he has never tried to read an e-mail list on Daily Digest where people top post by default... you get the first post, then below it the second post then the first

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 08:18, David Jones djones.dan...@googlemail.com wrote: Replying on my Android phone, the quoted text is in a separate input box with replies appearing to automatically default to top posting. Can't you just tell it to not quote the post at all? So, apologies if this top

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 08:14, Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: For reference, for anyone that is actually bothered by mailing list etiquette, here is the Ubuntu Mailing List Guidelines: http://www.ubuntu.com/support/community/mailinglists Which says... ---quote--- Proper quoting:

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Tim Powys-Lybbe
On 7 Aug at 8:14, Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: Has anybody ever told you that it's worse to top post and (by saying sorry IN THE SAME POST reveal that you are aware that people will be upset (yet you do it!)) than to simply be unaware (as many people are) of how

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
Which says... ---quote--- Proper quoting: Yes, I know what the guidelines say. As do at least 50% of the mailing list posters. I respect that some may not, but they can read it in their own time. And we've now had one person do it several times this morning (and apologise for it in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 08:33, Tim Powys-Lybbe t...@southfarm.plus.com wrote: Or think of a book.  Do writers normally put the end of a conversation first and the beginning last?  Never! The principal problem is actually with digests, rather than with those of us who get individual posts... we can

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 08:44, Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: Excuse Me? He never ONCE said I can't be bothered to cut from this second window. Well, he effectively did... he said that there were two windows... and to reply without top posting he'd probably have to click something in

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Anton Piatek
For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to know who in Google wrote this great Anton Piatek -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 08:54, Anton Piatek an...@piatek.co.uk wrote: For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to know who in Google wrote this great Well, then there is a solution.. quote none

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
Sean, You are getting too pernickety about bloody top posting. Take a breather and calm down, and then try and solve the world by getting phone manufacturers to add mailing list functionality. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Anton Piatek
Let's absolutely take it to Google. Where do we email? While we are at it on my phone the tick box to not quotes the message is hidden by the reply box, so you have to scroll down and may not have even known about it. Anton Piatek -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Alan Pope
Hi Sean, Can we please keep this conversation civil. On 7 Aug 2010, at 08:45, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: It is not rocket science, and if Google are creating Android phones that are impossible to not top post (or Android apps, assuming it may be GMail at fault) then surely

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 09:00, Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: You are getting too pernickety about bloody top posting. That is an opinion... I think that the discussion needs to be had, because it is becoming more and more of a problem. Take a breather and calm down, and then try and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Tim Powys-Lybbe
On 7 Aug at 8:54, Anton Piatek an...@piatek.co.uk wrote: For the record, on my android phone I cache choose to quote the entire message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to know who in Google wrote this great Obviously: an android. -- Tim Powys-Lybbe

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
Because top posting all the time results in people LEAVING mailing lists, because they simply can't understand what's going on. And we want to be INCLUSIVE, surely? No, things like this result in people leaving mailing lists. I have never left a mailing list because of top posting, because

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 09:02, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: Can we please keep this conversation civil. I believe I have endeavoured to do that, but the conversation should be had because it IS a problem. Joe disagrees, clearly, and thinks it's just stirring up things - but why should I do that? I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 09:07, Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: I have never left a mailing list because of top posting, because I don't actually see a problem with it. Presumably you don't get the Digest option? If you did, you might... We should endeavour to make life simple for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
One of the baddies in this whole discussion is, indeed, Google... because GMail does this show quoted text/hide quoted text thing. So people don't even notice the myriad of information they are appending to their messages, because Google conveniently filters it out... problem is, when you're on a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Jon Farmer
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 09:15 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: One of the baddies in this whole discussion is, indeed, Google... because GMail does this show quoted text/hide quoted text thing. So people don't even notice the myriad of information they are appending to their messages, because Google

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Tyler J. Wagner
On Saturday 07 Aug 2010 09:15:47 Sean Miller wrote: And we have yet to get the opinions of a large percentage of the group. I don't see the point of getting a large discussion going, and I certainly don't see this as a vote. When topics like this come up, it is unfortunate that the mailing

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Rowan Berkeley
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:57:48 +0100, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 7 August 2010 08:54, Anton Piatek an...@piatek.co.uk wrote: For the record, on my android phone I can choose to quote the entire message, or none of it. I get no choice about top posting. If you happen to know who

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Josh Holland
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 09:08 +0100, Sean Miller wrote: So that's good... and, perhaps, we can put some pressure on Google as a group to resolve this Android issue?!?!? After a quick bit of searching through the android project hosting on Google Code (isn't open source software wonderful?), I

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Rob Beard
On 07/08/10 09:07, Joe O'Dell wrote: Because top posting all the time results in people LEAVING mailing lists, because they simply can't understand what's going on. And we want to be INCLUSIVE, surely? No, things like this result in people leaving mailing lists. I have never left a

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Tony Pursell
I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these discussions. No sooner has the same topic on the ubuntu-users list fizzled out (after dozens of unneeded emails) but I have got it back on the ubuntu-uk list. Thank heavens I have a Delete key and index finger poised over it to get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these discussions. It's interesting, the way that people don't perceive Digest users having no ability to participate in discussions because it's impossible to

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Chris Rowson
Edubuntu is still going. Also GNOME runs perfectly on my 1GHz desktop, so I don't think you *need* to look at Xubuntu. Just make sure you have a decent amount of RAM. Cofion, Neil Thanks, loads of suggestions there for me to be going on with! I think I've got a Lucid CD somewhere about so

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Alan Pope
On 7 August 2010 11:15, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: Top posting out of spite, for those people, is a bit like going and mugging an old lady in the street just to prove that muggings in the street aren't an important issue... hmmm... did it give you a buzz to top post out of spite,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Anton Piatek
This is just becoming a personal flame war. It is time to count to 10 before replying. Anton Piatek On 7 Aug 2010 11:15, Sean Miller s...@seanmiller.net wrote: On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursell a...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread John Matthews
Top posting.. On 07/08/10 11:15, Sean Miller wrote: On 7 August 2010 11:07, Tony Pursella...@princeswalk.fsnet.co.uk wrote: I'm top posting out of spite and because I'm fed up with these discussions. It's interesting, the way that people don't perceive Digest users having no

[ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Alan Bell
I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and mashups based on government data. Joe O'Dell was along as well, but sadly was too young to fully take

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Bruno Girin
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 12:06 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and mashups based on government data. Joe O'Dell

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Isabell Long
On 7 Aug 2010, at 12:16, Bruno Girin wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 12:06 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
On 7 August 2010 11:21, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: Ok this is getting way to personal. Time to knock this on the head please. Hmmm... I don't think a sentence like I'm going to top post out of SPITE is actually particularly good, is it? In any debate things should be kept civilised - to do

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ubuntu-uk Digest, Vol 64, Issue 22

2010-08-07 Thread Mark Bailey
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[ubuntu-uk] Evolution Filtering Messages

2010-08-07 Thread Jon Farmer
Hi I have 3 IMAP accounts in Evolution and filtering is working for all but my work account. All the messages stay in the INBOX. What is weird is if I highlight the message and press Ctrl-Y it filters. Any ideas anyone please. Regards Jon signature.asc Description: This is a digitally

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 12:20:38 +0100 Isabell Long isabell...@gmail.com wrote: On 7 Aug 2010, at 12:16, Bruno Girin wrote: On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 12:06 +0100, Alan Bell wrote: I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Harry Rickards
On 7 August 2010 12:06, Alan Bell alan.b...@theopenlearningcentre.com wrote: I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and mashups based on

[ubuntu-uk] U^3 (U-Cubed) An Ubuntu / Debian event happening in Manchester on the 28th August 2010

2010-08-07 Thread Les
On 28th August, MadLab is hosting U^3 (U-Cubed) - an Ubuntu and Upstream UnWorkshop day in collaboration with HacMan, ManLUG and Manchester Free Software. The day is inspired by the Ubuntu Global Jam event which is being held on the same weekend. It's an opportunity to help show users how to get

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and mashups based on government data [...] Isabell's application GovSpark won a special prize for

Re: [ubuntu-uk] U^3 (U-Cubed) An Ubuntu / Debian event happening in Manchester on the 28th August 2010

2010-08-07 Thread Daniel Case
Hi There, I would be quite interested in attending and helping around :) I live in Yorkshire so i should be able to get to Manchester fairly easily. Daniel On 7 August 2010 14:13, Les lespoun...@gmail.com wrote: On 28th August, MadLab is hosting U^3 (U-Cubed) - an Ubuntu and Upstream

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Young Rewired State

2010-08-07 Thread Tim Dobson
On 07/08/10 12:06, Alan Bell wrote: I was at the presentations yesterday for the Young Rewired State hackweek http://rewiredstate.org/young lots of young people, including our very own Isabell Long throwing together applications and mashups based on government data. Joe O'Dell was along as

[ubuntu-uk] ANNOUNCE: GeekNic Tomorrow

2010-08-07 Thread Joe O'Dell
Hello All, The GeekNic is Tomorrow, and as such, there are 2 final things to say! 1. Arrival Time I shall be at Speakers' Corner from about quarter past 12, and we'll make our way to somewhere in hyde park just after 1. We will endeavour to post our location on twitter/the wiki as soon as we

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Moan -- Top Posting (was Apps for kids)

2010-08-07 Thread David D Lowe
I only joined this mailing list yesterday and already I've witnessed a flame-war! It's funny, I was reading through the emails one by one, thinking how annoying it was to to scroll quoted messages for every single email. I remember thinking: oh, that's nice, when Neil didn't top-post.

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Chris Rowson
Edubuntu is still going. Also GNOME runs perfectly on my 1GHz desktop, so I don't think you *need* to look at Xubuntu. Just make sure you have a decent amount of RAM. Cofion, Neil Thanks, loads of suggestions there for me to be going on with! I think I've got a Lucid CD somewhere about

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Bruno Girin
On Sat, 2010-08-07 at 22:38 +0100, Chris Rowson wrote: snip Anyway I'm off to install the other apps folk suggested and then the kids at the after school club can have a Linux laptop to muck about on. Might be worth asking the school if they want one or two too? I can't remember if it was

Re: [ubuntu-uk] ANNOUNCE: GeekNic Tomorrow

2010-08-07 Thread Yorvyk
On Sat, 7 Aug 2010 19:41:38 +0100 Joe O'Dell joseph.od...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello All, The GeekNic is Tomorrow, and as such, there are 2 final things to say! 1. Arrival Time I shall be at Speakers' Corner from about quarter past 12, and we'll make our way to somewhere in hyde park

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Sean Miller
I can't remember if it was mentioned but I would suggest installing Extreme Tux Racer, it's always a lot of fun to race a penguin down a mountain! My daughter is 16 on Thursday, but when she was MUCH younger she used to really enjoy Tux Racer... in fact, I had a Linux convert in her BECAUSE of

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Rob Beard
On 07/08/10 22:38, Chris Rowson wrote: I actually installed edubuntu and found it's pretty good. Unfortunately I discovered that the CDROM was broken on the laptop, and it wouldn't boot from USB so I ended up having to do a PXE install in the end :-S Anyway I'm off to install the other apps

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Rob Beard
On 07/08/10 22:50, Sean Miller wrote: I can't remember if it was mentioned but I would suggest installing Extreme Tux Racer, it's always a lot of fun to race a penguin down a mountain! My daughter is 16 on Thursday, but when she was MUCH younger she used to really enjoy Tux Racer... in fact,

Re: [ubuntu-uk] Apps for kids

2010-08-07 Thread Jonathon Fernyhough
On 6 August 2010 21:18, Chris Rowson christopherrow...@gmail.com wrote: The club is based in a church and doesn't have Internet access, so I wonder if anyone can suggest what kind of stuff I should put on this laptop that might be interesting for the kids to play with. SCRATCH!!! Scratch: