Re: ConScript

2004-01-16 Thread James H. Cloos Jr.
> "Mark" == Mark E Shoulson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> presumably Linux put it there following the "Corporate Mark> Space" rule, placing Klingon as their "corporate" characters. I remember when the klingon character support was added to the console drivers, and that is exactly why they

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 16/01/2004 15:09, Peter Kirk wrote: ... I also wonder if its use is strictly restricted to indicating the Samaritan Pentateuch, or if it may sometimes be used to refer to other Samaritan texts, or to the Samaritan script, dialect or religious tradition more generally. I was trying to check w

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread John Hudson
At 03:09 PM 1/16/2004, Peter Kirk wrote: If it is decided not to encode a separate Samaritan Pentateuch sign, I would suggest giving an alternative name of "Samaritan shin" as well as "Samaritan Pentateuch sign", to avoid confusing scholars who may use this name. I also wonder if its use is str

Re: Useful Breton links

2004-01-16 Thread Eric Muller
Michael Everson wrote: And Skol Diwan. These are indeed schools that teach Breton and other subjects in Breton, but they are not public schools, in the sense of being run by the state. There are "true" public schools that teach in Breton, and Div Yezh is a parent's association that promotes

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 16/01/2004 13:37, Michael Everson wrote: At 04:33 -0800 2004-01-16, Peter Kirk wrote: Michael, you seem to have written "shan" rather than "shin" twice independently in the subject line, so presumably this is not a typo. Do you actually hold that the letter is called "shan" rather than "shi

ZWJ and ZWNJ in combining sequences, was: New Public Review Issue posted

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 16/01/2004 11:17, Rick McGowan wrote: The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review periods for the new item closes on January 27, 2004. Please see the page for links to di

Re: Useful Breton links

2004-01-16 Thread Michael Everson
At 14:14 -0800 2004-01-16, Eric Muller wrote: Breton is taught in public schools in France, including in bilingual programs in elementary schools (about 50 schools in 2002). Look for Div Yezh. And Skol Diwan. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com

Re: Useful Breton links

2004-01-16 Thread Eric Muller
I'd really like to know more about Breton, [...] it is not supported by public schools Breton is taught in public schools in France, including in bilingual programs in elementary schools (about 50 schools in 2002). Look for Div Yezh. Kenavo, Eric.

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread Michael Everson
At 04:33 -0800 2004-01-16, Peter Kirk wrote: Michael, you seem to have written "shan" rather than "shin" twice independently in the subject line, so presumably this is not a typo. Do you actually hold that the letter is called "shan" rather than "shin"? Do you have any evidence for this? Are yo

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread Mark E. Shoulson
On 01/16/04 07:33, Peter Kirk wrote: Michael, you seem to have written "shan" rather than "shin" twice independently in the subject line, so presumably this is not a typo. Do you actually hold that the letter is called "shan" rather than "shin"? Do you have any evidence for this? Are you basing

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > This is incorrect. UTF-8 support did not exist until Win98 for the Win9x > > family, and did not exist until NT4 for the WinNT family. > > Even after system updates? Even after system updates. The

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Michael (michka) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > Exactly. However the conversion to UTF-8 from UTF-16 (the Windows > > "WideChar" encoding used in the Win32 Unicode API) is supported natively > > in MultibyteToWideChar() as if it was a SBCD/DBCS

New Public Review Issue posted

2004-01-16 Thread Rick McGowan
The Unicode Technical Committee has posted a new issue for public review and comment. Details are on the following web page: http://www.unicode.org/review/ Review periods for the new item closes on January 27, 2004. Please see the page for links to discussion and relevant documents.

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Michael \(michka\) Kaplan
From: "Philippe Verdy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Exactly. However the conversion to UTF-8 from UTF-16 (the Windows "WideChar" > encoding used in the Win32 Unicode API) is supported natively in > MultibyteToWideChar() as if it was a SBCD/DBCS character set, even on > Windows 95. This is incorrect. UTF

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Rick Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Unfortunately, you cannot use UTF-8 as the default MBCS code page in > Windows. In other words, Windows does not support the equivalent to setting > the locale to xxx.UTF-8 in unix. Exactly. However the conversion to UTF-8 from UTF-16 (the Windows "WideCh

Useful Breton links

2004-01-16 Thread jcowan
Philippe Verdy scripsit: >I'd really like to know more about Breton, but the fact is that despite I am >a native Breton and live there in Britanny, finding resources in this >language is hard because it is not supported by public schools and even >forbidden in all documents with some legal value.

Re: Caucasian Albanian Alphabet: Ancient Script Discovered in the Ashes

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 03/01/2004 10:17, Michael Everson wrote: It looks a lot like what has been called the "Agvan alphabet". See http://www.evertype.com/alphabets/Agvan.jpg I remembered that Ecological Linguistics sells a font for "Caucasian Albanian", encoding unknown but probably 8-bit as I remember hearing of

RE: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Rick Cameron
Unfortunately, you cannot use UTF-8 as the default MBCS code page in Windows. In other words, Windows does not support the equivalent to setting the locale to xxx.UTF-8 in unix. But the good news is that in Windows (unlike unix), wchar_t always means UTF-16. And UTF-16 is a whole lot more conveni

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Edward H. Trager
On Friday 2004.01.16 13:38:01 +0100, Philippe Verdy wrote: > Instead of relying on the support of UTF-8 locales by your C/C++ platform, > why don't you create your own function which would wrap the calls to > mbstowcs() and similar calls on Unix, or to WideCharToMultiByte() on Windows > (yes this w

Order of fonts/encodings used in Internet Explorer

2004-01-16 Thread Martin Heijdra
I know this has been asked and answered before, but I cannot find any reference to it now that I need the answer. Unicode, or also otherwise encoded files in Internet Explorer display with glyphs taken from fonts in a certain order. I.e., Arabic may not be displaying with the font specified for Ar

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Jon Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > It would be good to say that this depends on the compiler tool you use, and > > its version... > > True, I was refering here to VisualC++. The naming convention has been > relatively stable for the last few versions IIRC. > > There's nothing less portable

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Jon Hanna
> It would be good to say that this depends on the compiler tool you use, and > its version... True, I was refering here to VisualC++. The naming convention has been relatively stable for the last few versions IIRC. There's nothing less portable _on Windows_ than the "standard > C/C++ library",

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
From: "Jon Hanna" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > For these functions to behave correctly , i need to set locale to xxx.UTF-8 > > As solaris has en_US.UTF8 (w/o installing any extra support) , there is no > > problem. > [snip] > > But i am having problem especially in windows, as i can't find a locale > >

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Philippe Verdy
Instead of relying on the support of UTF-8 locales by your C/C++ platform, why don't you create your own function which would wrap the calls to mbstowcs() and similar calls on Unix, or to WideCharToMultiByte() on Windows (yes this works even on Windows 95 which does not support many charsets except

Re: Samaritan shan symbol

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 15/01/2004 13:37, Michael Everson wrote: At 12:19 -0800 2004-01-15, John Hudson wrote: Do you know if the directionality issue was considered at that time. No, we didn't consider it at the time. We dropped the ball on that one. I sent Michael a number of scans of the Samaritan shin in use a

Re: Chinese rod numerals

2004-01-16 Thread Peter Kirk
On 15/01/2004 11:50, Christopher Cullen wrote: I am grateful for all the advice I have received on this proposal, which I intend to pursue, time permitting. Meanwhile I am signing off to avoid a surfeit of Klingon, so please address me off-list if you wish to make any further suggestions. Tha

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Jon Hanna
> The windows name for "en_US.UTF8" is "English_United States.65001", ".65001" > will be UTF-8 in the default locale. > More on this at the MS documentation for setlocale -- Jon Hanna

Re: UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Jon Hanna
> For these functions to behave correctly , i need to set locale to xxx.UTF-8 > As solaris has en_US.UTF8 (w/o installing any extra support) , there is no > problem. [snip] > But i am having problem especially in windows, as i can't find a locale > supporting this. > i tried changing windows code

UTF8 locale & shell encoding

2004-01-16 Thread Deepak Chand Rathore
i am dealing with utf-8 unicode , using functions mbstowcs( ),wcwidth( ),etc defined in wchar.h for converting wide char to utf8 & other things. For these functions to behave correctly , i need to set locale to xxx.UTF-8 As solaris has en_US.UTF8 (w/o installing any extra support) , there is no