I am busy here in Münster with Coptic. I will
look over this thread when I get back to Dublin.
(This to the several people who wrote to me
asking me to write a proposal for the CEDI SIGN.)
--
Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com
On 2004.04.02, 19:10, Rick McGowan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We also learn from the "bird stamps" web site cited later that the
> government of Ghana
Do not suppose that the governments of "small" countries are
intimately envolved in the production of their own postage stamps.
Usually these s
> [Original Message]
> From: Asmus Freytag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> In case of the Cedi sign / Cent sign duality, another issue arises.
> The line breaking classes for these would be different PR vs PO.
Well, first off, there's the note that the behavior of PO and PR is
informative not normative
Somebody wrote:
> non-breaking and non-stretching are presentational properties, not
> semantic ones. They don't change the meaning of the space: it's still
> just a space, not a hyphen or the letter "g". They don't affect
> non-visual media; we don't break lines in spoken speech. "Louis XVI"
> is
> > It only affects its (visual) aesthetic
> > quality.
>
> That is arguable. An aural user agent could pronounce "1, 2, 3" a bit
> different from "1, 2, 3" if there is a (say) thin space between the
> digits in the latter case. It could pronounce it quicker, for example.
And it could read
At 11:44 AM 4/2/2004, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
Rick said:
> We also learn from the "bird stamps" web site cited later that the
> government of Ghana is extremely inconsistent about their images and
usage
> of their own currency sign. I.e., they apparently don't have a standard
for
> it.
>
> So, I
At 12:34 PM 4/2/2004, Kenneth Whistler wrote:
But by all means, make the proposal to the UTC if fixing this
inconsistency seems important and there is some argument to
be made for it.
I might add that 'merely' fixing an apparent inconsistency
cannot be enough of a rationale for making this change.
Title: RE: Re[2]: Fixed Width Spaces (was: Printing and Displaying DependentVowels)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Alexander Savenkov
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 11:25 AM
> That is arguable. An aural user agent could pronounce "1, 2, 3" a bit
> differe
Elaine Keown
Tucson
Hi,
Off-topic random questions:
1) Is Windows XP Unicode-compatible? If so, which
version of Unicode?
An Israeli scholar wrote me today about a scholarly
Hebrew database, giving the disclaimer that it was not
yet running under Windows XP.
2) Anybody
> > I draw a somewhat different conclusion.
>
> But why? You don't provide any argument against unifying cedi and cent.
Look through the bird stamps again. There are glyphic variants
there which would be inappropriate for a cent sign in any
font I know of, as well as fallback to a *capital* let
RE: Fixed Width Spaces (was: Printing and Displaying DependentVowels)All those
little "systems" are not completely dead. You can look for them in Google, and
you'll see various emulators created for nostalgics that would like to
rediscover their first past experience with computing. Available for v
Kenneth Whistler scripsit:
> Rick said:
> > [...] I would tend to think that that what we have
> > is just a set of variations on the ordinary "cent sign", and any number of
> > variant glyphs can be used. [...]
>
> I draw a somewhat different conclusion.
But why? You don't provide any argu
Alexander Savenkov suggested:
> Why not? I think Peter needs a good book on typesetting to find out
> what is inserted inserted between "Louis" and "XIV". In this case IIRC
> there should be the following sequence: Louis,ZWNBSP,SP,ZWNBSP,XIV.
Uh, no. is equivalent to . In either
case, the SPACE
Ernest Cline noted:
>
> Given that U+3001 IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA
> and U+FE50 SMALL COMMA
> are both of Line Break class CL, wouldn't it make sense for
> U+FE51SMALL IDEOGRAPHIC COMMA
> to also be of class CL instead of class ID?
Perhaps. But it is unclear that it would make any difference
to anythin
Hello,
sorry for the late response.
2004-04-01T03:47:40+03:00 Kenneth Whistler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Other possible approaches that any industrial-strength
> typesetting program ought to provide:
...
> The point is that looking to encode a special character in
> Unicode for every distin
Hello,
and sorry for the late response.
2004-04-01T05:41:02+03:00 fantasai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
But, as Ken has just clarified, with NBSP Louis' neck may be
stretched rather uncomfortably, if not cut completely. Here is what I
don't want to see (fixed width font required):
>
1) The documentation we've found for Unicode support in Windows seems vague on
how Unicode is implemented. A good deal of it seems to imply that a character
is always represented by exactly two bytes, no more, no less, under all
conditions. And the specific term UTF-16 doesn't seem to be employed.
Rick said:
> We also learn from the "bird stamps" web site cited later that the
> government of Ghana is extremely inconsistent about their images and usage
> of their own currency sign. I.e., they apparently don't have a standard for
> it.
>
> So, I don't know... is this "cedi sign" a uniq
Title: RE: Fixed Width Spaces (was: Printing and Displaying DependentVowels)
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
> Behalf Of Doug Ewell
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:34 AM
> Arcane Jill wrote:
>
> > 0x80 if I remember correctly.
>
> I know you've already corrected yo
Arcane Jill wrote:
> 0x80 if I remember correctly.
I know you've already corrected yourself, realizing that you were
thinking of the extended-ASCII character set used by the ZX Spectrum (TS
2068, IIRC), but just to finish this thought:
> There were sixteen block-graphics characters, remember? Th
Asmus wrote:
> Unfortunately in case of any proposed characters, web-sites can be
> used as evidence only in a very limited way. [ ... ]
> So what we learn from this site, is -unsurprisingly- that the cent
> sign can be used as a fallback.
Yes, precisely, unless they have *pictures* of the things
At 09:37 AM 4/1/2004, you wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The cedi sign should be of the size of the dollar sign ($) or the euro
sign
> (EUR). The site you provided is using the cent sign. The Ghana web site
uses a
> better version of the cent sign for the cedi. See
> http://www.ghanaweb.com/G
My deepest and embarrassed appologies for this obviously mistaken
posting. |-(
--.
António MARTINS-Tuválkin | ()|
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>||
PT-1XXX-X
> [Original Message]
> From: Peter Kirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> There are quite a lot of variant glyphs here, in the various rows: basic
> glyphs the size of C, or of c, small versions raised, with overlaid
> vertical or oblique lines or no line at all - the last on the lowest and
> so proba
"Andrew C. West" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem with newly introduced characters such as NNBSP, is that although
> they may in theory be just what you're looking for, you know that you can't
> actually use them on web pages as all the standard fonts (Arial, Times New
> Roman, or dare I
Probably sent to the wrong list.
May be you intended to send this to the FOTW discussion list?
OK. Then you may be interested in this related icons collection (not a
vexicollogic one) made for use in tables (because they line up with the same
small size) or as small annotations on web pages:
http:
On 02/04/2004 04:41, Andrew C. West wrote:
...
Code2000 and Doulos SIL both have NNBSP, ...
FYI, there is a new release (as of 1 April) of Doulos SIL at
http://scripts.sil.org/DoulosSILfont, a free download, regular typeface
only.
Welcome to the Doulos SIL font package. The goal for this prod
Patrick Andries wrote:
>
>>Asmus Freytag <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> a écrit :
>>
>> Have you folks noticed the addition of Narrow Non Break Space?
>
>Yes, but I have not been able to find a font with a narrow enough glyph
>(I just looked again at Code 2000).
>
>Does anyone know of an appropriate font
Arcane Jill wrote:
> There were sixteen block-graphics characters, remember?
> They each were subdivided into four quadrants, each of
> which could be either black or white, according to the
> low order four bits of the codepoint. The all-white
> block-graphics character was visually indistinguisha
OK, I was wrong about the ZX80 character set. Seems I was actually
thinking about the ZX Spectrum. Ahem. It's character set is listed
here:
http://www.madhippy.com/8-bit/sinclair/zxspecman/zxmanappa.html
Note the distinction between character 0x20 and character 0x80.
Arcane Jill
On Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:49:53 -0800, Rick McGowan wrote:
>
> Unicode 4.0.1 has been released!
>
> The main new features in Unicode 4.0.1 are the following:
>
> 1. The first significant update of the Unihan Database (Unihan.txt)
> since Unicode 3.2.0, including a large number of fixes and
>
On 01/04/2004 22:55, Doug Ewell wrote:
...And maybe it's just my lack of creative thinking, but I certainly can't
imagine a proportional font on a ZX80 or ZX81 -- not on that blocky
24-line screen!
Stretching of spaces does not depend on having a proportional font. On
modern systems spaces are
On 01/04/2004 16:33, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
See the currency symbol in use on postage stamps,
http://www.bird-stamps.org/country/ghana.htm
...notice the different glyphs in the third and fourth rows.
Best regards,
James Kass
There are quite a lot of variant glyphs here, in the various row
On 2004.04.02, 01:33, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://www.bird-stamps.org/country/ghana.htm
> ...notice the different glyphs in the third and fourth rows.
I count a lot of variations within the presented samples:
- size: upper case / lower case / superscript
- overlay: slash / pipe / broken
On 2004.04.01, 18:04, Zach Harden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The flag background is the same as the UN, and the proportions seen
> in this photo is 1:2.
At FotW-ws on page .
> The logo, in white, can be seen at http://www.unicef.org/.
It seems that Sammy Kanady's got it well enough (except pe
0x80 if I remember correctly.
There were sixteen block-graphics characters, remember? They
each were subdivided into four quadrants, each of which could
be either black or white, according to the low order four bits
of the codepoint. The all-white block-graphics character was
visually in
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