Re: graphemes

2016-09-28 Thread Philippe Verdy
nalyzing them in a linguistic context, these letters are read differently ("a" vs. "alpha", which is in fact not really a distrinction of the script but on the linguistic tradition of alphabets for as spelled for the vocal language), and the graphemes do not have any case pairings, w

Re: graphemes

2016-09-28 Thread Christoph Päper
baries”, stuff would probably never have gotten done. Engineers are usually better at this than scientists (or politicians). >> Type 1 has also been called “phono-graphemes” (…). > > Seems a good term, I was not aware of it. Do you happen to remember who > introduced it? My oldest quote is

Re: graphemes

2016-09-27 Thread Janusz S. Bień
16 > wrz 2016, 23:51:38): > > Janusz S. Bień <jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl>: > > > 1. Graphemes, if I understand correctly, are language > dependent, … > > > That’s tr

Re: graphemes

2016-09-27 Thread Christoph Päper
Janusz S. Bień <jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl>:On Sun, Sep 18 2016 at 12:26 CEST, jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl writes:Quote/Cytat - Christoph Päper <christoph.pae...@crissov.de> (pią, 16wrz 2016, 23:51:38):Janusz S. Bień <jsb...@mimuw.edu.pl>:1. Graphemes, if I understand correctly, are language

Re: graphemes

2016-09-20 Thread Janusz S. Bień
spellings of the same word in a writing system, a useful linguistic >>> definition of grapheme should ensure that all three variants have >>> the same number of graphemes. >> >> Such a bizarre definition, which would also entail "color/colour", >>

Re: graphemes

2016-09-20 Thread Ken Whistler
On 9/20/2016 12:30 AM, Julian Bradfield wrote: are all legal spellings of the same word in a writing system, a useful linguistic definition of grapheme should ensure that all three variants have the same number of graphemes. Such a bizarre definition, which would also entail "color/c

Re: graphemes (was: "textels")

2016-09-20 Thread Christoph Päper
>> grapheme should ensure that all three variants have the same number of >> graphemes. > > Such a bizarre definition, which would also entail "color/colour", > "fulfill/fulfil", "sulfur/sulphur" having the same number of > graphemes, It’s n

graphemes (was: "textels")

2016-09-19 Thread Janusz S. Bień
is not used in the standard at all. Searching the Unicode site I found only one use of 'grapheme' alone: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2000/00274-N2236-grapheme-joiner.htm Graphemes are sequences of one or more encoded characters that correspond to what users think of as character

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/20/2012 8:09 PM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Ken Whistlerk...@sybase.com wrote: I don't see any necessary correlation between what sequences people might end up insisting on naming (for whatever reason) and what people might consider to be graphemes. I

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Michael Everson
On 21 Jun 2012, at 04:09, Shriramana Sharma wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: I don't see any necessary correlation between what sequences people might end up insisting on naming (for whatever reason) and what people might consider to be graphemes

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: But the point is not just the sequence, but also the name for it. What do you propose? Well I couldn't propose a name conforming to the naming rules without revealing what was munged up, could I? :-) On Thu, Jun 21,

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you limit it, when the time comes you need something like that, you have to invent a new

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Karl Williamson
On 06/21/2012 01:45 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you limit it, when the time comes you need something

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/21/2012 7:51 PM, Karl Williamson wrote: On 06/21/2012 01:45 PM, Asmus Freytag wrote: OK. Will they always be in NFC? To apply Ken's dictume to this case: That seems like a straitjacket looking for an unwilling wearer. ;-) Unless it's excluded from the start, anytime you

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Asmus Freytag
On 6/21/2012 2:56 AM, Shriramana Sharma wrote: On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 12:11 PM, Asmus Freytagasm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: But the point is not just the sequence, but also the name for it. What do you propose? Well I couldn't propose a name conforming to the naming rules without revealing what

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-21 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Fri, Jun 22, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Asmus Freytag asm...@ix.netcom.com wrote: U+ MARK D A V I S  :) :) ;) (incidentally, it would be equivalent to the more pithy U+ MARK DAVIS as spaces are ignored in character names... ) Heh -- don't you think that should be DAVIS MARK? :-) Precedents

Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-20 Thread Karl Williamson
All current named sequences appear to be each a single grapheme. That seems like it should always be the case. If I'm right, should UAX #34 say this.

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-20 Thread Ken Whistler
sequences people might end up insisting on naming (for whatever reason) and what people might consider to be graphemes. There could be a valid reason somebody might want or need to name some sequence that clearly wouldn't constitute a grapheme. Who can predict? If I'm right, should UAX #34 say

Re: Are Named sequences always going to be graphemes?

2012-06-20 Thread Shriramana Sharma
On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 7:13 AM, Ken Whistler k...@sybase.com wrote: I don't see any necessary correlation between what sequences people might end up insisting on naming (for whatever reason) and what people might consider to be graphemes. I submit that the following sequence shall be allotted

composite graphemes

2010-10-13 Thread spir
Hello, I would like to clarify a point which, I guess, is rather related to UCS's character set than to Unicode properly speaking. Say I have a sequence of codes, each representing an UCS abstract character, itself beeing the representation of a text. The text is the french word âme (soul).

RE: composite graphemes

2010-10-13 Thread Phillips, Addison
-bou...@unicode.org] On Behalf Of spir Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 4:03 AM To: unicode Subject: composite graphemes Hello, I would like to clarify a point which, I guess, is rather related to UCS's character set than to Unicode properly speaking. Say I have a sequence of codes