Re: FTP on Android

Hi David, There is this; http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=8=19144 I think Splash21 method works very well. Simon -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/FTP-on-Android-tp4704142p4704145.html Sent from the Revolution - User mailing list archive

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Hi, Thanks for the mention Richard. I have hope that we can land this grant. Then, in turn, that the grant(s) can be a catalyst for great things to come for new waves of users. Plus, I'm sure that some really cool teaching experiences still need to be crafted for the LRNG.org platform. Time

Re: FTP on Android

David Brooks wrote: > The app in question has no trouble uploading/downloading text files > from a Web site, and it can store/retrieve "local" files on whichever > Mac/Windows device it is installed. > > Files CAN be downloaded using an http protocol (put URL("http:// > xx.txt") into fld

FTP on Android

There is old LiveCode discussion about issues related to ftp using Android devices. Is there anything recent? The app in question has no trouble uploading/downloading text files from a Web site, and it can store/retrieve "local" files on whichever Mac/Windows device it is installed. Files CAN be

RE: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2

> I like that Atkinson revealed he got the idea for HyperCard > while dropping LSD. > Thirty years later we're still using a descendant of that idea. > Are we experiencing a perpetual flashback? > > Nah, Flash is something else! Flash is somewhere between PCP and sniffing glue, and too much

Re: Adding existing object to group?

Scott: Thanks. The IDE is so fubar with groups that I have pretty much wrecked the work I was doing. I’ll have to wait until next release and hope it’s fixed. Groups seem to be disappearing, getting deleted, losing their location, etc. I’ll have to put off working on this particular project.

Re: Adding existing object to group?

Have you already tried cutting and pasting your objects? If not... Copy the object you want to be in the group. Select the group, click the Edit Group button on the toolbar to start editing the group, and paste the object. It will now be part of your group. While editing any group, you can

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Aha... Was the Kickstarter for open source or for the refactor? When you consider that the vast majority of Kickstarter funding came from discounted licenses were we finding development or taking advantage of discounts? I personally made one of the highest contributions of everyone to the

Re: Adding existing object to group?

Ali: Work has stopped. How can I work around this bug? Is there another way to add a new control to a group? Bill > On May 2, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > Hi Bill, I believe this is an instance of this bug: > http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17256 >

Re: Adding existing object to group?

Ali: Thanks! I just had it delete one of the objects I dragged into the group, so….. glad it’s a known one. Best, Bill > On May 2, 2016, at 3:14 PM, Ali Lloyd wrote: > > Hi Bill, I believe this is an instance of this bug: >

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

If I remember correctly we paid around one million dollars for it. I agree with Richmond about renting software. A business needs to worry Livecode could quit offering them the rental of the software and then they are not allowed to develope at all. A minor bug they could have fixed with their

Re: Adding existing object to group?

Hi Bill, I believe this is an instance of this bug: http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=17256 The fix for this is awaiting merge. https://github.com/livecode/livecode-ide/pull/1154 On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 10:46 PM William Prothero wrote: > I think the problem

Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2

I like that Atkinson revealed he got the idea for HyperCard while dropping LSD. Thirty years later we’re still using a descendant of that idea. Are we experiencing a perpetual flashback? Nah, Flash is something else! Jim Lambert ___ use-livecode

revBrowser, bataBase and LC 7.1.3 on Android 5.1.1 or 6

Hi all, On Android 5.1.1 and 6 the revBrowser and DataBase librairies don’t work with LC 7.1.3. I use SQLite Anybody else had the same experience? Should I send a bug report? Alain Vezina Lofgilangue www.logilangue.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

One thing that nobody seems to have pointed out is the current price is not $999. As Peter commented (and a number of people seem to have read in a snippy tone unfortunately) the price rises have been and continue to be well telegraphed with the opportunity to lock in the current price.

Re: Adding existing object to group?

I think the problem occurs when there is a group within a group. I have a group (topgroup), which contains a datagrid group (dgGroup). The project browser can’t move an object that is outside of any group, into “topGroup” group. With a bunch of agony and messing around, I got it to work, but

Adding existing object to group?

Folks: Puzzling over this. LC RC1. OSX El Capitan. I’m trying to add an existing object to a group. In the project browser, I drag the object to the group listing and it disappears. When I did Apple Key[, the object moved to the back, but stopped showing up in the project browser. It returns

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Richmond, as soon as I wrote that I just knew it would be a set-up line for you. -- Peter Peter M. Brigham pmb...@gmail.com On May 2, 2016, at 4:05 PM, RM wrote: > The Scots have been running the world for at least 300 years. > > Why do you think that about 50% of all Canadians, and a very

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

You know, I was initially gratified that so many old-timers are still not slobbering. But then I wondered, where are the 16-40 year olds? Craig -Original Message- From: Jerry Jensen To: How to use LiveCode Sent: Mon, May 2, 2016

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

The Scots have been running the world for at least 300 years. Why do you think that about 50% of all Canadians, and a very large number of Americans have Scots names? After all, just look at Naomi Campbell! Richmond. On 2.05.2016 22:46, Peter M. Brigham wrote: On May 2, 2016, at 3:44 PM,

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Folks: Just thinking out loud. This has probably been thought about, but as the HTML5 export gets refined, I wonder about the feasibility of creating an actual Livecode programming environment that runs through a browser. The reason I think of this is that young folks seem to increasingly use

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

On May 2, 2016, at 3:44 PM, Peter TB Brett wrote: > On 02/05/2016 20:20, Peter M. Brigham wrote: >> >> Back in the day, Apple marketed heavily to the teaching/educational >> market, and the result was a generation of kids who grew up using >> Macs. IMO, Edinburgh would do well to try to get LC

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

On 02/05/2016 20:20, Peter M. Brigham wrote: Back in the day, Apple marketed heavily to the teaching/educational market, and the result was a generation of kids who grew up using Macs. IMO, Edinburgh would do well to try to get LC used by as many teachers at the middle school and high school

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

No, can't match that, I'm running at only 40 years. Congratulations. Richmond. On 2.05.2016 22:22, Jerry Jensen wrote: On May 2, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: Hi from Beautiful Brittnay, Richard, nor to the 60-85 year old crowd (I'll become a

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

I don't know about "clever Richmond", but what I do know about is lots of clever Primary and Secondary school kids (pace Grade/Middle/High) who come along, listen to my "wibble", watch me move chess pieces around the table, move beans around a mancala board, and then sit right down and dig into

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

> On May 2, 2016, at 12:14 PM, Francis Nugent Dixon wrote: > > Hi from Beautiful Brittnay, > > Richard, > >> nor to the 60-85 year old crowd >> (I'll become a slobbering old, senile whatsit in >> my own good time anyway). > > > I think I should take umbrage on the

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

I'm not slobbering yet (well, except in anticipation at the first stable release of Livecode 8.0), nor is my father who is pushing 84, nor my mother who should be 86 this summer. However there are a fair few slobberers round the streets of Plovdiv; some of whom are younger than me. Whether

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

On May 2, 2016, at 10:38 AM, Earthednet-wp wrote: > Folks, > Richmond, thanks for your forthright posts and entertaining metaphors! > > Re fees, licenses, etc, I am a retired prof who spent a lot of years > programming for research, then to support student learning in a large > oceanography

Beeing a developer after 40

Hi from Beautiful Brittnay, Richard, > nor to the 60-85 year old crowd > (I'll become a slobbering old, senile whatsit in > my own good time anyway). I think I should take umbrage on the insinuation that the 60-85 "crowd" are just "slobbering old, senile whatsits" ! Whenever it is your time,

Re: Rust externals [was: Being a developer after 40]

If i remember right, the lesson about creating an external used xCode 3 or so. And the screenshots did not match current xCode version. But i might be wrong. > Am 02.05.2016 um 17:23 schrieb Richard Gaskin : > > Matthias Rebbe wrote: > > An updated lesson about

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

I was rather hoping the signal would come from the Mothership. R. On 2.05.2016 20:20, Richard Gaskin wrote: RM wrote: > All I am making a noise about is the vast difference between GPL and > Commercial. I agree that "noise" is a good word there. Perhaps it may be useful to wait until you

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

Roger Eller wrote: My point is, there are wanna-be-programmers out there who don't even know they CAN BE programmers because they think it's too difficult to learn. You have to get the word out beyond this list. Indeed, that's exactly what so many of us are doing. I'm helping to organize

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

RM wrote: > All I am making a noise about is the vast difference between GPL and > Commercial. I agree that "noise" is a good word there. Perhaps it may be useful to wait until you find some way to turn that into signal. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

Picture this in your minds eye. An infomercial on TV like we used to see; a high-energy "Juice-Man" type, doing a demo for the "unwashed-masses". EVERYONE CAN CODE, the crazy caterpillar-browed man says, and goes on to show some easy yet beneficial beginners apps. A website address, a toll-free

The Open Source version of Livecode

is a treasure which has to be protected, but how it is protected is a difficult question to answer. It never ceases to amaze me (especially after I got 32-bit Livecode working on 64-bit Linux) the advances in Livecode 8, and . . . . Richmond. ___

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

I am well aware that the Free (GPL) version is amazingly valuable - I use it every day. All I am making a noise about is the vast difference between GPL and Commercial. R. On 2.05.2016 19:15, Richard Gaskin wrote: RM wrote: > ...paying $999 for a year for something whose single difference

Re: How does one determine screen resolution with LiveCode?

If either sysemPixelScale or screenPixelScale is anything other than 1 you have a high res monitor. R. On 2.05.2016 18:56, David Beck wrote: Thanks very much, Scott! -- Message: 25 Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 13:41:26 -0700 From: Scott Rossi

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

RM wrote: > ...paying $999 for a year for something whose single difference > fron the FREE version is the ability to protect ones' > code really does not seem justifiable. So if they discontinued the Community Edition you'd be satisfied? Your portrayal of value is exactly backwards: the Indy

Re: How does one determine screen resolution with LiveCode?

Thanks very much, Scott! > -- > > Message: 25 > Date: Sun, 1 May 2016 13:41:26 -0700 > From: Scott Rossi > To: How to use LiveCode > Subject: Re: How does one determine screen resolution with LiveCode? >

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

I hope not as it is a fantastic thing (despite some slightly off-colour remarks I may have made in the past), but that is not my concern. What is my concern is that I feel that very few start-ups, small-time software people ("one-hit wonders") an hobbyists who wish to code-protect their source

Re: Rust externals [was: Being a developer after 40]

Matthias Rebbe wrote: > An updated lesson about how to create an external using the current > Xcode versions, would be helpful. ;) To help guide that effort, where is the current lesson not working out? -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop,

Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2

Hi. I hear you. I always thought that Dan Winkler was the driving force behind adding the scripting portion, and that Bill accepted it, but was not particularly enamored of it. I heard that both men were astonished at the sudden tidal wave of interest, and the demand for detailed

[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 31

Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #31 here: https://goo.gl/ubu2cK This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around

Re: Clearing local variables

> On Apr 29, 2016, at 9:17 AM, Mark Waddingham wrote: > > On 2016-04-29 04:30, Kay C Lan wrote: >> On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 11:47 PM, Mark Waddingham wrote: >>> From 7.0 onwards, this causes no problem as the engine takes a 'copy' of >>> the target variable

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Seasoned long-term users of HC, SuperC, MetaC, Revolution, & LiveCode all appreciate the value of the open-source version. If for nothing else, it is perfect for noobs to learn and discover its power before buying a license. People who frequently throw out terms like "you get what you pay for"

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

Erik Beugelaar wrote: > The suggestion of Alex is a reasonable option for this iOS only > deploy problem in my opinion. > As long as Apple's Apps Store's Terms of Service (ToS) clashes with > the GPL a temporary solution could be a Hosted iOS Builder service. > This can be a subscription model

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

On 02/05/2016 14:31, RM wrote: 2. The enormous differential between the FREE version and the Commercial version: this seems almost an unbridgeable gap. Do you think that people underestimate the value that they get from the Open Source edition of LiveCode because they get it at no cost?

Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2

Jerry Jensen wrote: >> On May 1, 2016, at 7:48 PM, DunbarX at aol.com wrote: >> >> Richard. >> >> Is it possible Bill A. is unaware of LiveCode? He intimated that >> the current "Hypercard" is a program called "iBooks Author". >> >> Really? > > He attended and spoke at the LC conference in San

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

Folks, Richmond, thanks for your forthright posts and entertaining metaphors! Re fees, licenses, etc, I am a retired prof who spent a lot of years programming for research, then to support student learning in a large oceanography class. My son is an elementary teacher who teaches Lego robotics.

Re: Rust externals [was: Being a developer after 40]

An updated lesson about how to create an external using the current Xcode versions, would be helpful. ;) Matthias Rebbe Bramkampsieke 13 32312 Lübbecke Tel +49 5741 31 +49 160 5504462 Fax: +49 5741 310002 eMail: matth...@m-r-d.de BR5 Konverter - BR5

Re: Rust externals [was: Being a developer after 40]

On 02/05/2016 15:23, Matthias Rebbe wrote: An updated lesson about how to create an external using the current Xcode versions, would be helpful. ;) That's a great suggestion, and I'll add it to the backlog. Peter -- Dr Peter Brett

Rust externals [was: Being a developer after 40]

On 02/05/2016 15:15, Mark Wieder wrote: On 05/02/2016 04:11 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: // Rust for t_item in t_lst.iter() { println!("{}", item) } Nice to see Rust showing up in the list. I need to get round to figuring out how to write a LiveCode external in Rust!

Re: Endless discussion on licensing and pricing

On 02/05/2016 14:50, RM wrote: Well, this is, very much, Livecode's dilemma; and, just possibly, one of the ways to sort things out is to listen to what their customers / potential customers / past customers have to say; and as Livecode have not sent out any significant "feelers" to find out

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

On 05/02/2016 04:11 AM, Peter TB Brett wrote: // Rust for t_item in t_lst.iter() { println!("{}", item) } Nice to see Rust showing up in the list. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Endless discussion on licensing and pricing (was: Standalones on el Capitan?)

> On 2 May 2016, at 1:56 pm, Paul Dupuis wrote: > > This really is a pointless discussion and I know people will find that > comment offensive and it is not intended to be. I follow these discussions with interest, and don’t find them pointless at all. It is quite

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

On 2.05.2016 16:44, John Dixon wrote: Richmond... my comment was not directed at you... I didn't think it was: I just couldn't resist having a laugh re the "unwashed masses" - lovely turn of phrase! Richmond. Subject: Re: Standalones on el Capitan? To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com

Re: Endless discussion on licensing and pricing

On 2.05.2016 15:56, Paul Dupuis wrote: This really is a pointless discussion and I know people will find that comment offensive and it is not intended to be. No, I cannot see how that is offensive. BUT, water does wear away stones, and while water does not wear away stones overnight, it

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

What happens if I splash out 999 and then LC goes belly up? Does my purchase work forever producing commercial apps or does it revert to GPL? All the best Terry > On 2 May 2016, at 14:34, RM wrote: > > Nothing is going to endear me except, possibly, the chance

RE: Standalones on el Capitan?

Richmond... my comment was not directed at you... > Subject: Re: Standalones on el Capitan? > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > From: richmondmathew...@gmail.com > Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 16:34:43 +0300 > > > > On 2.05.2016 15:46, John Dixon wrote: > > > >> Subject: Re: Standalones on el

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

On 2.05.2016 15:46, John Dixon wrote: Subject: Re: Standalones on el Capitan? To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com From: peter.br...@livecode.com Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 09:40:32 +0100 On 02/05/2016 09:36, RM wrote: My spending has now stopped, and will not start again as I simply do not have

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

As someone who pays in, I believe that if anything there should be more things that are added to the indy/business end of the spectrum to get more folks to pay in, and to get me to pay more. We have paid to have things added to LC, through externals and other third-party add-ons. Most of those

Re: Revenue and the Open Source edition

That's a very well constructed bit of text and I tend to agree with you re "the best way to get the resources required for maintaining and improving the Open Source edition of LiveCode is actually to add Business-only features." I don't know whether RunRev's "goods and services" section is

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

On 2.05.2016 13:31, Lyn Teyla wrote: Stephen Barncard wrote: obviously one hasn't been to a LC event lately. More white hair and ponytails on old folks than an AES convention. The cool geeks club. I’ve got nothing against younger or older people at all, but: Whenever I come across photos of

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

On 2.05.2016 11:40, Peter TB Brett wrote: On 02/05/2016 09:36, RM wrote: My spending has now stopped, and will not start again as I simply do not have $999 for any software whatsoever. Maybe you should have purchased a subscription during one of the _many_ "$299/year forever" offers that

Endless discussion on licensing and pricing (was: Standalones on el Capitan?)

This really is a pointless discussion and I know people will find that comment offensive and it is not intended to be. For ANY product - even Free ones - there are people who will feel that the "value" for the "cost" (whether that cost is money, time, whatever) is not what it "should be". The

RE: Standalones on el Capitan?

> Subject: Re: Standalones on el Capitan? > To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com > From: peter.br...@livecode.com > Date: Mon, 2 May 2016 09:40:32 +0100 > > On 02/05/2016 09:36, RM wrote: > > My spending has now stopped, and will not start again as I simply do not > > have $999 for any software

Revenue and the Open Source edition

Hi all, I recently posted on the forums in reply to being asked why the PDF external is initially going to be exclusive to Business edition, and I thought it would be useful to cross-post it here. http://forums.livecode.com/viewtopic.php?f=7=27160#p141910 I am the main advocate for

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

Must you always take such a snippy tone against your lowly subclass customer base. If LC actually cared about hobbyist or education level customers, that deal would still stand. Perhaps not publicly, but an off-list private email surely could be arranged. On May 2, 2016 4:40 AM, "Peter TB Brett"

Re: [OT] Atkinson Interview, Pt 2

My experience with Bill at San Jose went a bit better than yours! As soon as I saw him milling around I knew who it was. I was stood somewhere near where he was going to be sitting, and I noticed the name tag of Sioux Atkinson. I’m not even sure if I knew they were married, but I asked her if

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

On 02/05/2016 11:31, Lyn Teyla wrote: Stephen Barncard wrote: obviously one hasn't been to a LC event lately. More white hair and ponytails on old folks than an AES convention. The cool geeks club. I’ve got nothing against younger or older people at all, but: Whenever I come across photos

Re: Beeing a developer after 40

Stephen Barncard wrote: > obviously one hasn't been to a LC event lately. More white hair and > ponytails on old folks than an AES convention. The cool geeks club. I’ve got nothing against younger or older people at all, but: Whenever I come across photos of LiveCode events, and see white hair

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

On 02/05/2016 09:36, RM wrote: My spending has now stopped, and will not start again as I simply do not have $999 for any software whatsoever. Maybe you should have purchased a subscription during one of the _many_ "$299/year forever" offers that LiveCode ran last year, then.

Re: Standalones on el Capitan?

Blast, I said I wouldn't write any more: but this one really "takes the biscuit". I don't think this is solely Apple's or Livecode's problem, I think it is a general tendency where "programming" (and there is a contentious word) has polarised into 2 camps: 1. The "Hard Chaps" (at the risk of

RE: Standalones on el Capitan?

The suggestion of Alex is a reasonable option for this iOS only deploy problem in my opinion. As long as Apple's Apps Store's Terms of Service (ToS) clashes with the GPL a temporary solution could be a Hosted iOS Builder service. This can be a subscription model ($/year) or you pay per service