Re: Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread AndyP via use-livecode
What a great way to announce that LiveCode (and Scotland) have arrived. Super publicity move. - Andy Piddock My software never has bugs. It just develops random features. TinyIDE a Free alternative minimalist IDE Plugin for LiveCode TinyIDE Script editor Themer for LC

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

2017-07-31 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
On 7/29/17 11:02 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: It sounds like *something* in the group structure is causing accelRendering not to be effective (although I'm not sure what from the description). @Mark: I've just found why it's failing. It's the stack structure, not the engine.

Re: AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread Charles Warwick via use-livecode
Hi Tiemo, My apologies if there was a regression due to tsNet in those particular versions. Between tsNet 1.2.7 and tsNet 1.2.8, the only change to the Windows build was an update of the underlying curl library that tsNet uses. While that does open the possibility for a regression, the

Re: Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread J. Landman Gay via use-livecode
I want to know where they found the piper. Did they bring him from Scotland just for the grand entrance? I loved it though, I watched it multiple times. On July 31, 2017 7:10:17 PM Colin Holgate via use-livecode wrote: It was more the bagpipes than the kilt

Re: Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
It was more the bagpipes than the kilt that I thought might draw attention to them. > On Jul 31, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Alex Tweedly via use-livecode > wrote: > > Agreed. > I'd feel much less self-conscious wearing a kilt and shirt than I would > wearing a suit &

Re: Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
Agreed. I'd feel much less self-conscious wearing a kilt and shirt than I would wearing a suit & tie :-) Alex. On 01/08/2017 00:45, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: Excellent! Sent from my iPhone On Jul 31, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode

Re: Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode
Excellent! Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 31, 2017, at 6:44 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode > wrote: > > I bet Kevin and Mark didn’t feel at all self conscious: > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBUR8U03B3U > > > >

Mark in a kilt...

2017-07-31 Thread Colin Holgate via use-livecode
I bet Kevin and Mark didn’t feel at all self conscious: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBUR8U03B3U ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: controlNames deprecated??

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I found it. It's the menubar. Not sure why it at that position. I have a handler that sets the topleft of the menubar group to the topleft of the stack after setting the width of the group to the width of the stack because with Windows the menubar is opaque and it looks crappy when the menubar

Re: [OT] User testing

2017-07-31 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I downloaded the thing, and it is quite interesting, although "Complete" is an exaggeration. Richmond. On 7/31/17 11:50 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Neither do I. Check you antivirus subscription, cross your fingers then click the link. NO WAIT! DON'T CLICK THE LINK!!! :-) Bob S

Re: controlNames deprecated??

2017-07-31 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: > Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Could there be a group with hidden border and a margin that puts the >> left edge at -1? > > Yes, but the formatted rect is supposed to IGNORE hidden objects. The group's visible property set to false? Or is it just that the showBorder is false? If

Re: "Cascading" Object-Behaviors

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
OK got it. I take it this is supposed to be a script only stack? That is how I saved it. Bob S > On Jul 31, 2017, at 13:20 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode > wrote: > > The url got messed up somehow there try:

Re: controlNames deprecated??

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Yes, but the formatted rect is supposed to IGNORE hidden objects. Bob S > On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:56 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Bob Sneidar wrote: > > >> On Jul 28, 2017, at 16:10 , Richard Gaskin wrote: > >> Is there maybe an object at -1

Re: [OT] User testing

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Neither do I. Check you antivirus subscription, cross your fingers then click the link. NO WAIT! DON'T CLICK THE LINK!!! :-) Bob S > On Jul 31, 2017, at 11:13 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > I've just been sent this in the email; don't know

Re: revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
> On 1 Aug 2017, at 6:34 am, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode > wrote: > > > it´s include in LC 9 DP7 and up. > > Please note that you have to manually load it with > start using stack "httpd" > > This is a known issue and was mentioned in the “Known issues” in

Re: revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
Hi Alex, it´s include in LC 9 DP7 and up. Please note that you have to manually load it with start using stack "httpd" This is a known issue and was mentioned in the “Known issues” in the release emails, but unfortunately not in the release notes. Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 31

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Both are part of the joke. I shouldn't explain it because that is like disecting a frog. The frog dies and nobody cares. :-) But geometrically in any line there are an infinite number of points, because a point is an infinitely small coordinate. That's if by point you mean literally points in

Re: "Cascading" Object-Behaviors

2017-07-31 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
The url got messed up somehow there try: https://github.com/livecode/livecode/pull/5600 > On 1 Aug 2017, at 6:12 am, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode > wrote: > > I click the link, I go there I log in I cannot see

Re: revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Monte Goulding via use-livecode
Hi Alex You could use the new httpd library that is already included in LiveCode 9 for this. Indeed this is what it was created for. We build a standalone with all our tests and serve it with the library. What would be ideal is to create a deploy library similar to the the iOS and Android

Re: revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode
https://bitbucket.org/andregarzia/revonrockets/src/b4262227f94fd5b4efec828b3c0e88650e222e49/RevHTTP/?at=default Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 31 ‌matthiasrebbe.eu

Re: revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Alex Tweedly wrote: > Does anyone have a copy of (or a currently working link to) Andre's > revHTTP ? Andre stopped work on that a long time ago, and I haven't seen it linked into his current site. I also made a fork of the original mchttpd, and here's a copy with minimal changes to allow it

Re: "Cascading" Object-Behaviors

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
I click the link, I go there I log in I cannot see anywhere where there is a file to download or code to copy. Bob S > On Jul 30, 2017, at 13:27 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have implemented a scriptifier utility script if you are

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Quentin Long via use-livecode
The obvious method for generating the points of an oval—use a loop that generates sin(x) & cos(x) coördinate-pairs—has already been mentioned. What's *not* so obvious, is that the points generated by that method are not evenly spaced! Not unless you're working with a perfect circle, anyway. For

revHTTP

2017-07-31 Thread Alex Tweedly via use-livecode
Does anyone have a copy of (or a currently working link to) Andre's revHTTP ? Thanks Alex P.S. I'm thinking of making a script-only stack that is a UI-free Simple HTTP server - and then suggesting to Livecode Ltd that the HTML5 deployment guide recommend it rather than the Python

Re: controlNames deprecated??

2017-07-31 Thread Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Bob Sneidar wrote: >> On Jul 28, 2017, at 16:10 , Richard Gaskin wrote: >> Is there maybe an object at -1 left? When I tested here the >> formattedRect returned the bounds of all visible objects reliably. > > Possible, although it is not a VISIBLE one. I selected all with select > grouped on

[OT] User testing

2017-07-31 Thread Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode
I've just been sent this in the email; don't know whether it's any good or not:

Re: Wait, the problem, and why it is important to solve

2017-07-31 Thread Tom Glod via use-livecode
I agree. i have yet to use the HTML output but I would have a hard time meeting my needs without the wait feature as I use it to keep the UI from ever being blocked which is part of a major feature of the software I am building. While I don't anticipate having this need to output to

Re: Sneaky email messages

2017-07-31 Thread prothero--- via use-livecode
I would hope that users get some kind if privacy notification that they must agree to. For example, if students are taking an online course, it will be useless unless they agree to having their scores or grades for their work sent in. Best, Bill P William Prothero http://ed.earthednet.org

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Mark wrote: >> How do you define "strict geometry"? > That would be my seventh-grade math teacher >> And what is an "infinite amount"? > For points in an oval, that would be Aleph-one, no? I see. When you selected to return 360 points for the effective points of an oval (what is, TMHO, a

Re: Wait, the problem, and why it is important to solve

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Indeed - we can make all the things on the list I made have a callback / without waiting form too. In terms of wait itself - it is the HyperTalk way of doing 'async' - allowing you to write such code without the 'headache' of nested callbacks / closures and such - this is why it is important

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 07/31/2017 08:34 AM, hh via use-livecode wrote: Bob S. wrote: By strict geometry, an infinite amount. Using Bezier, 4. :-) Just because I am curious which part of your statement is the joke: How do you define "strict geometry"? That would be my seventh-grade math teacher And what is

Re: Wait, the problem, and why it is important to solve

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 07/29/2017 09:23 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: P.S. One other possibility I've toyed with is doing LCS->BYTECODE, then BYTECODE->ASYNCIFIED_JAVASCRIPT. The latter would be particularly easy if targetting browsers which have already implemented the new async JavaScript

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread hh via use-livecode
> Bob S. wrote: > By strict geometry, an infinite amount. Using Bezier, 4. :-) Just because I am curious which part of your statement is the joke: How do you define "strict geometry"? And what is an "infinite amount"? ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Parsing (scraping) OpenGraph Tags from html HEAD

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 07/29/2017 01:16 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: LOL. I guess Brahmanathaswami's been around these parts long enough by now to have OG status. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Wieder via use-livecode
On 07/31/2017 07:55 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: By strict geometry, an infinite amount. Using Bezier, 4. :-) Hey, no fair. Using Bezier curves is cheating. But yeah, thus my rather snarky reply which should have had a smiley thing anyway. When I wrote the effective points code

Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

2017-07-31 Thread Roger Eller via use-livecode
Indeed. In fact, Thierry Douez solved this over the weekend with a mix of that and some regex. On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: > FYI depending on what you are trying to get out you can also > > get the htmltext

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
By strict geometry, an infinite amount. Using Bezier, 4. :-) Bob S > On Jul 30, 2017, at 21:46 , Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 07/30/2017 09:06 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode wrote: > >> OK, so how can we generate the points of

Re: controlNames deprecated??

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
Possible, although it is not a VISIBLE one. I selected all with select grouped on and off. There is nothing I can see to account for it. Bob S > On Jul 28, 2017, at 16:10 , Richard Gaskin via use-livecode > wrote: > > Is there maybe an object at -1 left?

Re: Sneaky email messages

2017-07-31 Thread Bob Sneidar via use-livecode
You would probably be flagged as malware and the user alerted in any event. Collecting ANY information and sending it down the wire can be construed by end users as spyware. Bob S > On Jul 29, 2017, at 07:58 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > >

[ANN] Release 8.1.6

2017-07-31 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Dear List Members, We are pleased to announce the release of LiveCode 8.1.6 Stable. By "Stable", we mean that no reported regressions have been introduced in 8.1.6, compared to the previous Stable release. LiveCode 8.1.6 contains 38 extra bug fixes and new features, compared to LiveCode 8.1.5.

Re: AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Sorry, this part should be: "So I would guess that tsNet 1.2.8 has caused this bug for you in 8.1.4, which was fixed in tsNet 1.2.9 (included in LC 8.1.5)." On Mon, Jul 31, 2017 at 1:14 PM, panagiotis merakos < panos.mera...@livecode.com> wrote: > Hi Tiemo, > > The "load url" call does use

Re: AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi Tiemo, The "load url" call does use tsNet if you are on Indy or Business. In fact every network-related operation does use tsNet on Indy and Business. Moreover, the tsNet external was updated in LiveCode 8.1.4 rc2 (to fix bug http://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19026), so it quite

AW: AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
Hi Mark, thank you for your explanations. What I can understand are the regressions switching from 6 to 7/8, because of widely new underlying architecture and components. That was a huge step. There I had a lot of sympathy. What is much more harder to understand and acceptable are the

Re: AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
I don't think there is anyway we can deny that the transition from 6.x to 7.x caused a lot of regressions. This is why we have a strict policy of handling maintenance releases now - i.e. we work very hard to ensure each maintenance version is strictly better than before. I know of a number of

AW: load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
I forgot my final question: Have you made similar experiences or is it only me and how do you handle this permanent hazard of regression bugs? Tiemo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] Im Auftrag von Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode

[ANN] This Week in LiveCode 93

2017-07-31 Thread panagiotis merakos via use-livecode
Hi all, Read about new developments in LiveCode open source and the open source community in today's edition of the "This Week in LiveCode" newsletter! Read issue #93 here: https://goo.gl/1U5Zu5 This is a weekly newsletter about LiveCode, focussing on what's been going on in and around

Re: Parsing (scraping) OpenGraph Tags from html HEAD

2017-07-31 Thread Thierry Douez via use-livecode
2017-07-29 22:16 GMT+02:00 Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami ​ : > you want to extract from the of the document the openGraph tags > > > https://www.youtube. > com/user/kauaiaadheenam"> > > https://yt3.ggpht. > com/-p766LczvKHY/AAI/AAA/SIu6ZAJbMDc/s900- >

Re: Wait, the problem, and why it is important to solve

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Hi Herman, This is all very useful information I must confess. I guess I'm wary of just extrapolating potential performance from piecing together results from very different underlying architecture (e.g emterpreter vs no emterpreter) over bastions different html5 engine iterations. Of course

Re: gitter

2017-07-31 Thread Mark Waddingham via use-livecode
Indeed our split isn't perfect - so there's a list of things we can and cannot do - depending on which engine version is needed to support the changes - this forces a good process (because it forces thought on it). The submodule link is a version dependence - it's just hard to think of it like

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread Richmond via use-livecode
Personally I would do something I learnt to do in about 1976 in FORTRAN: make yourself an 800 x 800 stack, and a lineField called "POYNTS", and an irregular polygon called "POLLY" put 0 into KOUNT repeat until KOUNT > 6.29 put (KOUNT * 100) + 1 into LYNE put (400 +((sin(KOUNT))*300)) into LR

load URL is broken in 8.1.4

2017-07-31 Thread Tiemo Hollmann TB via use-livecode
Hello, For my automatic update mechanism I am downloading a zip file from a web server, extracting the zip file and starting the downloaded update. I am doing this since years, without having changed anything in my code. Now in 8.1.4, Windows 10 this load URL downloads a "broken/corrupted" empty

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread hh via use-livecode
[Once again, without typos (although it works correctly with the typos)] The following runs in LC 6/7/8/9. ### yields points of an 'elliptical' n0-sided polygon, ### for a 'circular' shape set rx=ry. -- n0 is the number of vertices (= n0+1 points for a closed polygon) -- rx is the horizontal

Re: Points of Graphic Oval

2017-07-31 Thread hh via use-livecode
> BR wrote: > 1) draw graphic oval name: "moveClue1" > 2) create small image "word_1" > move image "word_1" to the points of grc "moveClue1" in 2 seconds > OK, so how can we generate the points of a perfect oval? > > Scott wrote: > > You can use the effectivePoints to get the points of any