Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Terence Heaford
On 12 May 2015, at 02:21, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: The datagrid would be another good candidate for a widget. Then we'd have a real table control. But wouldn’t that just still be a number of fields pretending to be table cells, just as now but inside a widget

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Mark Waddingham
No - widget based lists/tables are/would be rendered direct from data. It's on of the reasons they work so much better than compound controls for things which currently have to be made up from lots of controls. We already have a simple ios-like list and simple treeview in 8, but are working on

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Terence Heaford
On 12 May 2015, at 08:38, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: We already have a simple ios-like list and simple treeview in 8, but are working on others - particularly as we improve the abilities of LCB. Well, that’s promising then as an updated DataGrid would be essential for me. I

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Kay C Lan
On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 1:36 AM, PystCat pyst...@gmail.com wrote: What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and improved them immensely, to the extent that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. Examples and/or citations, please. 

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Kay C Lan
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:30 PM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of images? There are basically two methods, one for gweilos who don't know how to write Chinese characters but need Chinese characters and

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-12 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Tuesday, May 12, 2015, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@icloud.com wrote: I am still concerned though that the rendering performance of a DataGrid implemented in LCB may be inferior to what we currently have in 6.7.4. As the original author of the data grid and someone who has written a fair

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 01:46, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: I think this one may have been a good thing. MS is retooling their OS strategy and it looks like there will be better integration and compatibility between various

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:27 AM, Peter W A Wood peterwaw...@gmail.com wrote: Any app using emoticons or emoji or whatever they are called will be using Unicode. emoji, yes, but that seems like a razor-thin use case. I wonder how many apps implement their own image-based solution rather than

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
On 10 May 2015, at 20:39, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: will have much better performance than equivalent code written in LCS Will the rendering performance of a Widget (as opposed to the running of a script) be faster than a control currently rendered by the LC engine? So as

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and developers expect. So, I would say 100%. I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do these days is in-house, and has

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 09:20, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 4:09 PM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and developers expect. So, I would say 100%. I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 12:30 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: iOS is the odd ball in that it represents not only the platform itself, but also the means of delivery (with the exception of the weirdness Apple has implemented for iOS corporate applications). With the

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Monte Goulding
On 11 May 2015, at 4:24 pm, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: This is why I asked, hoping for a response from someone who shops the Greek app store, or the Japanese app store. Those are the ones who would know the percentage. What percentage are you looking for? All native apps would

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Waddingham
I think of myself as a developer. Everything I do these days is in-house, and has absolutely no need of unicode. The most recent thing I worked on for others is Navigator, and no one has ever asked me for a unicode version of that. The last app I worked on before that has been selling for the

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
I'm not entirely sure what seamless means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld TEKST to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Were I convinced of the necessity of converting my source stack of my Devawriter Pro (and my

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
There has got to be something serious awry when Bjoernke agrees with Richmond. Richmond. On 05/11/2015 03:05 AM, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which frankly, still look like an easier way to make externals to me, nothing more. How

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Waddingham
On 2015-05-11 02:05, Bjoernke von Gierke wrote: Adding unicode is nice, but making all text handling slower by half (sometimes even 30 times slower) is not going to convince me to start using 7 (ignoring the added stability hit compared even to current 6 versions). Especially as the only actual

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Waddingham
On 2015-05-11 10:34, Richmond wrote: I'm not entirely sure what seamless means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld TEKST to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Which was why I qualified what I said with the term

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 12:50, Mark Waddingham wrote: On 2015-05-11 10:34, Richmond wrote: I'm not entirely sure what seamless means . . . but if I open a stack authored in LC 4.5 where I have script lines like this: set the unicodeText of fld TEKST to numToChar(12345) things don't work. Which was

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Bjoernke von Gierke
I’m kind of surprised that the seller of a charting package can’t see the potential for implementing them as widgets. Much faster to render and able to do things like rotated text easily. Cheers Monte Sure, Widgets do things that LC can't do. I do however want LC to be able to do

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
I suppose so, yes. For example, Fruit Ninja: the version I have installed may use unicode, as you say, but all its characters are plain english/ascii characters. But maybe there's a Lithuanian Fruit Ninja where unicode is needed? I don't know. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 1:29 AM, Monte Goulding

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: As a case in point, I just opened up revNavigator from the plugins menu - and it works in 7. Indeed, if I have objects with Unicode names, revNavigator still works perfectly, displaying precisely what you would expect.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
Again, maybe I'm unusual, but none of these apply to any of the apps I've ever written. I've done consulting work (oh so long ago) on apps that stored people's names, and likely unicode comes in handy for those, but I haven't asked the authors whether they take advantage of it. I'm not arguing

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 05/11/2015 03:40 PM, Geoff Canyon wrote: On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:29 AM, Mark Waddingham m...@livecode.com wrote: As a case in point, I just opened up revNavigator from the plugins menu - and it works in 7. Indeed, if I have objects with Unicode names, revNavigator still works perfectly,

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone should work in english. For starters, there are many languages besides english that use few or no non-ascii characters. But also, I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work entirely within

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 8:37 AM, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: Again, maybe I'm unusual, but none of these apply to any of the apps I've ever written. I've done consulting work (oh so long ago) on apps that stored people's names, and likely unicode comes in handy for those, but I

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 11, 2015 9:06:07 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: But also, I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work entirely within the ascii character set? Flipping things around a bit, how much of a difference would

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread PystCat
I have a friend who gets very annoyed that the Americans always control things. When I ask for clarification of this I get, Well... For instance, why does the States have to be 001 in the international dialing? Answer me THAT..! The answer... We invented the telephone. If you want to

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as 1844, and may have made one in 1864, as an enhancement to an automaton built by him in 1849. Why doesn't Italy have 001? Don't answer that the US invented electricity: it is said that the

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mike Kerner
Reminding everyone that Bell was a Scott is like reminding everyone that Einstein was German. It's a lesson that should remind everyone, especially colonists, that you gotta have a big tent, be accepting of big, novel, disruptive ideas, and gladly and joyfully welcome everyone, with open arms, no

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
Just for fun. Can someone tell me who invented the Computer? All the best Terry ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences:

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mark Schonewille
*thumbs up* But I'll leave this sub-thread now, because it seems quite OT. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK: 50277553 Installer Maker for LiveCode:

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks
I wasn't trying to imply that everyone should work in english. For starters, there are many languages besides english that use few or no non-ascii characters. But also, I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
And…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people scientist All the best Terry On 11 May 2015, at 15:27, Mark Schonewille

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Mike Kerner
It doesn't matter if the colonists invented the telephone. They invented the international telephone network. Thus, they got to decide how it operates. On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: Innocenzo

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
Tivadar Puskás de Ditró (English: Theodore Puskás [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tivadar_Pusk%C3%A1s#cite_note-1 b. 17 September 1844, Pest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pest_(city) - d. 16 March 1893, Budapest http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest) was a Hungarian

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
On 11 May 2015, at 15:36, Mike Kerner mikeker...@roadrunner.com wrote: Reminding everyone that Bell was a Scott is like reminding everyone that Einstein was German. It's a lesson that should remind everyone, especially colonists, that you gotta have a big tent, be accepting of big, novel,

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii characters on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of images? On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Trevor DeVore

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
Certainly true. I could see myself writing: повторение для каждый слово aWord в myString On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:22 AM, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: On May 11, 2015 9:06:07 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: But also, I was just saying that since the

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks
This is why I asked, hoping for a response from someone who shops the Greek app store, or the Japanese app store. Those are the ones who would know the percentage. We sell Valentina Studio Pro worldwide in all the Mac App Stores, and of course, the free Valentina Studio, everywhere. It is a

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . It does sound odd; especially as it has taken them about 20 years to work it out. I actually like a lot of specific versions of MS products. I hope

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 20:54, Klaus major-k wrote: Watch this and cry :-D https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGcspfreload=10 I didn't cry because the man should obviously either be locked away in a funny farm or get a job as some sort of performance street artist. Certainly quite frightening;

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread PystCat
Yes...sure. It looks like they did a lot with it, too. Oh wait... No... They didn't. H On May 11, 2015, at 10:27 AM, Mark Schonewille m.schonewi...@economy-x-talk.com wrote: Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread PystCat
It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I've never known those examples to be an American invention but... FTW... Marshmallow creme or as it is known in the states... Fluff

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Ralph DiMola
To: How to use LiveCode Subject: Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I've never known those examples to be an American invention but... FTW... Marshmallow creme or as it is known

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Richmond wrote: Gottit at last; the new GUI mockup: http://web.archive.org/web/20130203003005/http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode? The biggest difference there is that the stack you're working on is displayed as a pane within a larger IDE window

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Peter Haworth
The patent for his telephone was granted in 1876. He became an American citizen 6 years later in 1882. He spent a lot of his life in Canada, ending up in Baddeck, Cape Breton, where there is a fascinating museum devoted to his work which included many inventions other than the telephone. Pete

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Geoff Canyon wrote: ...I was just saying that since the language *itself* is in english, how much of a difference does it make to work entirely within the ascii character set? Obviously some (a lot?) but if that were the only use-case for unicode it would be thin indeed. Unicode is the

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
Gottit at last; the new GUI mockup: http://web.archive.org/web/20130203003005/http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1755283828/open-source-edition-of-livecode? Richmond. ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
On 11 May 2015, at 18:58, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: If he self-identified as a Canadian I wonder why he is described as a Scottish-American around and about? Perhaps, here is your answer ;) On 11 May 2015, at 18:29, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: The

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Peter Haworth
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:01 AM, Richard Gaskin ambassa...@fourthworld.com wrote: We know it impacted the development very significantly, but beyond the other two areas of concern are the size of standalones and their performance, and in these the impact of Unicode has not been clear.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 21:29, PystCat wrote: It is supposed to be blowing a kiss... Now... WHY on earth would anyone willingly spend time in Carbondale Illinois...? I had a really super 3 years there doing my first Master's degree there in 1993-96. Richmond. I've never known those examples to be an

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
Wow, I added several Chinese keyboards (including one based on handwriting recognition). I'd love to see someone who is skilled at that in action. I opened the most recent app I installed (Momentum) and I now have a defined habit that I surely can't read. :-) On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 11:03 AM, J.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Geoff Canyon
Not in english? repeat, while, with, if, filter, replace, line, word, etc., etc. I'm not saying the syntax is english, but the words clearly are. With the language extension capability that is coming Some Day Now, yes, I would expect that everyone could program in their own language. I wonder how

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks
Not in english? repeat, while, with, if, filter, replace, line, word, etc., etc. I'm not saying the syntax is english, but the words clearly are. It is English like. Uses English words, and sensical English-like grammatical structures. However you do not have to know English well to be able

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Can we please call Cheese! on this inventor sub-thread and move it to the Off-Topic forum?: http://forums.livecode.com/viewforum.php?f=5 -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Systems Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Monte Goulding
On 11 May 2015, at 9:52 pm, Bjoernke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: Sure, Widgets do things that LC can't do. I do however want LC to be able to do stuff. In a similar vein, I'd want to use LC to access sql and xml. Instead, I'm using C-style functions. It's not xTalk, just like widgets

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 11 May 2015, at 9:52 pm, Bjoernke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: It's not xTalk, just like widgets (at least right now) are not LC. But once written they are. The developer uses LCB but after you install a widget it acts just like a built-in control. For Trevor's slider, for example, you

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Lynn Fredricks
While HyperCard WAS (and I am capitalising that deliberately) written in pseudo-English that was for the simple reason that at that point the ONLY people who were buying Apple's computers were North Americans and Richmond, who happened to be in North America at the time (thanks to his

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 11, 2015 10:30:21 AM CDT, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii characters on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 17:06, Geoff Canyon wrote: the language *itself* is in english Well, apart from the oversight of not capitalising the name of the language, I don't think the language (i.e. the scripting language inwith LiveCode) is in English, nor is it English, it is, at best, something

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 17:27, Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, A quick look-up on Wikipedia: Innocenzo Manzetti considered the idea of a telephone as early as 1844, and may have made one in 1864, as an enhancement to an automaton built by him in 1849. Why doesn't Italy have 001? Don't answer that the US

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . It does sound odd; especially as it has taken them about 20 years to work it out. I actually like a lot of specific

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 20:56, Terence Heaford wrote: I think he self identified as a Canadian. Where he eventually died. Most people do eventually die. If he self-identified as a Canadian I wonder why he is described as a Scottish-American around and about? Richmond. All the best Terry On 11

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Monday, May 11, 2015, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: Apart from the basics like ñ and é, how do you enter non-ascii characters on iOS? Do iPhones in Russia display a different keyboard by default? How about asian countries where the character set is hundreds or thousands of images?

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 17:31, Terence Heaford wrote: And…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_people scientist Not really: as far as I know, his father was

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. All the best Terry On 11 May 2015, at 18:31, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: Not really: as far as I know, his father was Scots, while he, himself was born in the USA. ___

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread PystCat
But he was an American in the states when he did it... On May 11, 2015, at 10:31 AM, Terence Heaford t.heaf...@icloud.com wrote: And…. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Graham_Bell Alexander Graham Bell is a Scottish

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 17:46, Terence Heaford wrote: Just for fun. Can someone tell me who invented the Computer? All the best Terry Well it was either Charles Babbage in England - who invented a mechanical computer, The inventor of the strange navigational computer fished out of the

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread PystCat
The Americans have invented very little indeed. What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and improved them immensely, to the extent that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. Examples and/or citations, please.  Some Americans even

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Terence Heaford
I think he self identified as a Canadian. Where he eventually died. All the best Terry On 11 May 2015, at 18:52, Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com wrote: BUT . . . did he self-identify as a Scot at the time he invented the telephone? ___

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 17:09, PystCat wrote: I have a friend who gets very annoyed that the Americans always control things. When I ask for clarification of this I get, Well... For instance, why does the States have to be 001 in the international dialing? Answer me THAT..! The answer... We invented

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi RIchmond, Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com: On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck . . . It does sound odd; especially

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 20:43, Terence Heaford wrote: Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. I am surprised, wrong, and stand corrected. BUT . . . did he self-identify as a Scot at the time he invented the telephone? My children have self-identified themselves as Scots, British,

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 20:36, PystCat wrote: The Americans have invented very little indeed. What the Americans have done is pinched other people's inventions and improved them immensely, to the extent that they can fool people they invented the things in the first place. Examples and/or citations,

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Richmond
On 11/05/15 20:42, Klaus major-k wrote: Hi RIchmond, Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com: On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that there's a huge demand for a microsoft product, any microsoft product, that doesn't suck

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-11 Thread Klaus major-k
Hi Richmond, Am 11.05.2015 um 19:49 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com: On 11/05/15 20:42, Klaus major-k wrote: Hi RIchmond, Am 11.05.2015 um 19:38 schrieb Richmond richmondmathew...@gmail.com: On 11/05/15 18:49, Lynn Fredricks wrote: Odd as it sounds, they figured out that

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Peter W A Wood
On 11 May 2015, at 04:49, Geoff Canyon gcan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm curious -- what percentage of the apps in the iOS or Android app stores would you say require unicode? I'm familiar with the iOS US app store, not Android or any of the international versions. My impression is that in the

RE: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Lynn Fredricks
I'm curious -- what percentage of the apps in the iOS or Android app stores would you say require unicode? I'm familiar with the iOS US app store, not Android or any of the international versions. My impression is that in the US there are very few apps that use unicode. I wouldn't

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:11 AM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: I think this one may have been a good thing. MS is retooling their OS strategy and it looks like there will be better integration and compatibility between various platforms. That's just the cover story.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Schonewille
Geoff, Software should be unicode-compatible nowadays. This is what users and developers expect. So, I would say 100%. -- Best regards, Mark Schonewille Economy-x-Talk Consulting and Software Engineering Homepage: http://economy-x-talk.com Twitter: http://twitter.com/xtalkprogrammer KvK:

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Bjoernke von Gierke
On 11 May 2015, at 02:31, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote: I have 20 or so widgets that I've written for a project I'm working on which add UI controls to the project. None of these make any calls to OS APIs. They just use the LiveCode Builder language to draw shapes, render

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Monte Goulding
On 11 May 2015, at 10:49 am, Bjoernke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: These are examples where previously one would have used externals. Because unless LC itself would faciliate them, like with simpler types of GUI objects, that's all one could do. I hear that you disagree on that, but I

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Wieder
On 05/10/2015 03:46 PM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: What they're *actually* doing is ramping up, of all things, vacuum cleaner production. I, for one, would welcome cleaner vacuums. The speed of light slows down in the dirty ones, and then all I can watch are reruns. -- Mark Wieder

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Sunday, May 10, 2015, J. Landman Gay jac...@hyperactivesw.com wrote: Thanks very much for this. My first reaction to LCB was that I didn't want to learn a new language and I'd just let other people do it. Then I'd use their widgets if I needed them, just as I use externals now. You're

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Bjoernke von Gierke
There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which frankly, still look like an easier way to make externals to me, nothing more. How many people actually currently make externals? about 1% of the user base, probably even less. If this is increased 5 times by some sort of not

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Geoff Canyon
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Lynn Fredricks lfredri...@proactive-intl.com wrote: Unicode - DONE Im glad Paul pointed this out; its been taking some hits from people who say they don't need it, and that its impacting performance. It is a necessity for the future of LiveCode or any

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 10, 2015 7:31:58 PM CDT, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote: In the hopes that it would be helpful to others looking to play around with widgets I wrote a little about my experience in my blog. There are 3 posts about Widgets right now. Perhaps they will be of interest to you.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Dr. Hawkins
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Paul Dupuis p...@researchware.com wrote: Resolution Independence - DONE Well, sort of. The next project in my queue is dealing with the wonky side affects of changing resolution on the desktop. I don't have where it's weird nailed down, but the screen

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread J. Landman Gay
On May 10, 2015 7:31:58 PM CDT, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com wrote: On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Bjoernke von Gierke b...@mac.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','b...@mac.com'); wrote: There is no communication about any aspect other then widgets, which frankly, still look like an easier

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Trevor DeVore
On Sunday, May 10, 2015, Bjoernke von Gierke b...@mac.com wrote: On 11 May 2015, at 02:31, Trevor DeVore li...@mangomultimedia.com javascript:; wrote: I have 20 or so widgets that I've written for a project I'm working on which add UI controls to the project. None of these make any

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Wieder
On 05/10/2015 10:11 AM, Lynn Fredricks wrote: retooling their OS strategy Heh. More like we'd like you to forget this happened. Cue Obi-Wan: this isn't the OS you're looking for -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Paul Dupuis
On 5/10/2015 1:01 PM, Richmond wrote: listing of the Kickstarter goals and what happened to them Open Source Livecode - DONE Unicode - DONE Resolution Independence - DONE Plugable Themes - NOT DONE - last word from RunRev that I recall was that this was tied to engine changes in LC8 Cocoa - DONE

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Waddingham
On 2015-05-10 19:34, Paul Dupuis wrote: On 5/10/2015 1:01 PM, Richmond wrote: listing of the Kickstarter goals and what happened to them Open Source Livecode - DONE Unicode - DONE Resolution Independence - DONE Plugable Themes - NOT DONE - last word from RunRev that I recall was that this was

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/15 20:21, Mark Waddingham wrote: I have taken quite some time to write this, and the reason that I have taken the trouble is that, oddly enough, I both believe in Runtime Revolution, and have put a very significant amount of time and effort into learning how to get the thing to do

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/15 20:34, Paul Dupuis wrote: On 5/10/2015 1:01 PM, Richmond wrote: listing of the Kickstarter goals and what happened to them Open Source Livecode - DONE Unicode - DONE Resolution Independence - DONE Plugable Themes - NOT DONE - last word from RunRev that I recall was that this was

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Waddingham
I am not aware of any goal that RunRev has forgotten in any of their posts on this topic. New GUI. Definitely not forgotten! Indeed, the Version 8 IDE sees the first step towards it as we are rewriting it to use much more easily composed widgets. Ultimately a brand new GUI is going to be

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Richmond
On 10/05/15 20:56, Mark Waddingham wrote: I am not aware of any goal that RunRev has forgotten in any of their posts on this topic. New GUI. Definitely not forgotten! Indeed, the Version 8 IDE sees the first step towards it as we are rewriting it to use much more easily composed widgets.

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Mark Waddingham
Ouch! Indeed that is the truth. I am currently in a dialogue with members of the teaching community here in Plovdiv, Bulgaria who have to teach teenagers PASCAL (at non-Mathematical High Schools) and C++ (at specialist Mathematical High Schools) effectively turning off vast numbers of children

Re: Kickstarter 2013 Revisited

2015-05-10 Thread Terence Heaford
Is the future development of each OS platform dependent upon widgets? For example, little has been done to correct the user interface deficiencies when compared to Yosemite. 1. Will all user interface objects be widgets? 2. Will LiveCode only provide a limited set of UI widgets? 3. Will the

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