Re: Android Release Requires 21 but 911 Devices Get Dropped?

[Ben Rubinstein via use-livecode]

On 17/04/2020 20:58, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:

From the release notes: 4.x support is dropped. That represents 5% of all
active installs but may be a higher percentage of devices.


It very much depends where you're looking (or more to the point, where you're 
looking to distribute). It obviously varies widely by region.


E.g. Worldwide, according to 
https://www.statista.com/statistics/271774/share-of-android-platforms-on-mobile-devices-with-android-os/ 
Android 4.4 is 6.9% (of all Android, not of all mobile), and earlier versions 
together add up to 3.8%. But US only 
(https://www.statista.com/statistics/865837/mobile-android-version-share-in-the-us/), 
4.4 is just 0.68% of all Android.


E.g. using Device Atlas data from Q2 2019 
https://deviceatlas.com/blog/mobile-os-versions-by-country gives Android 4.4 
share (nothing below 4.4 is registered) as:

Egypt   7.80%
Indonesia   5.59%
South Korea 4.32%
Romania 4.04%
Argentina   3.27%
South Africa2.47%
Nigeria 2.42%
India   1.53%

These numbers are percentage of all mobile (i.e. including iOS). These 
countries are the only ones for which Android 4 registers. For the UK, the 
oldest recorded version is Android 5.1 on 1.5%; for US it's Android 6 on 2.61%.


Ralph, can you give more information about that "5% of all active installs" 
figure?


TIA,

Ben

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Testing spell checking with Hunspell Extension

[Trevor DeVore via use-livecode]

Hi Everyone,

I've been working on an LCB extension which wraps the Hunspell library.
This library is used for spell checking.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunspell

I have finished a first pass that works on my Windows 8 and 10
installations with LiveCode 9.6dp-4 32 and 64-bit. I would be interested in
having some other people test it out to see if it works for them. I'm
hoping that those with Windows versions of LiveCode that support LCB could
test it out and see if everything works in the test stack. The Github repo
is at the url below and there is a section titled "Testing" which explains
the steps.

https://github.com/trevordevore/lc-hunspell

The extension is available under an MIT license and it would be nice to
have some others look over the code, make some improvements, compile a
Linux .so, etc.

The repo includes a French dictionary for testing. There are lots of
dictionaries available for Hunspell, however. I've downloaded dictionaries
from https://extensions.openoffice.org before. I also came across this
github repo today which has a large list of 90 compatible dictionaries:

https://github.com/wooorm/dictionaries

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Re: Scrollbar scale value not showing in Windows

[Devin Asay via use-livecode]

Verified on Windows 10. The default size of the scrollbar object obscures the 
scale values. Just increase the height of the scrollbar/slider (if your sb 
orientation is horizontal) or the width of the sb (if the orientation is 
vertical.)

Devin

> On Apr 21, 2020, at 10:01 PM, Devin Asay  wrote:
> 
> Michael,
> 
> Sometimes resizing the scrollbar will reveal the scale values. Does that 
> work? I’m not near my Windows machine, so can’t verify here. I know that on a 
> Mac if the scrollbar bounds are too small the values disappear.
> 
> Devin
> 
> 
>> On Apr 21, 2020, at 9:35 PM, Michael Lew via use-livecode 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> I have a small app that I've written for my lockdown-affected class, and the 
>> students with Windows can not see the value of 'scale' type scrollbar 
>> controls that have their showValue property set to true, but the Macs can.  
>> Is there a cross-platform trick that I don't know?
>> 
>> Michael lockdown Lew
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Re: Scrollbar scale value not showing in Windows

[dunbarx--- via use-livecode]

Hi.
I thought this was a bug in the control years ago, until I inadvertently 
stretched it, and the values simply appeared. Eureka! This on a Mac.
Craig


-Original Message-
From: Michael Lew via use-livecode 
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com 
Cc: Michael Lew 
Sent: Tue, Apr 21, 2020 11:37 pm
Subject: Scrollbar scale value not showing in Windows

I have a small app that I've written for my lockdown-affected class, and the 
students with Windows can not see the value of 'scale' type scrollbar controls 
that have their showValue property set to true, but the Macs can.  Is there a 
cross-platform trick that I don't know?

Michael lockdown Lew
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Fwd: Mobile text input mystery

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

Sent from my iPad

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Graham Samuel 
> Date: 22 April 2020 at 22:14:37 CEST
> To: Mark Waddingham 
> Subject: Re:  Mobile text input mystery
> 
> Thanks Mark. Although making the field opaque wasn’t enough, giving it a 
> black border worked and I can now see it. I can edit it with the mouse, and I 
> can even put something in it with
> 
>  mobileControlSet "FRadiusText", "text", "1.0"
> 
> but despite executing
> 
>  mobileControlSet "FRadiusText", "keyboardType", "numeric"
>  mobileControlDo "FRadiusText", "focus"
> 
> following what the  LC Dictionary says , I do not see the soft keyboard, nor 
> does a subsequent
> 
>  mobileControlGet "FRadiusText", "text"
> 
> ever result in anything but empty even though I can see a text in the native 
> field object.
> 
> But I can’t keep asking questions. I’ll just tinker as usual and hope to get 
> a result.
> 
> Thanks again
> 
> Graham
> 
>> On 22 Apr 2020, at 19:52, Mark Waddingham  wrote:
>> 
>>> On 2020-04-22 18:38, Graham Samuel wrote:
>>> Reading your response, Mark, I didn't feel so bad, since the LC
>>> Dictionary says for example about mobileControlSet
>>> syntax: mobileControlSet idOrName, PropertyName, value
>>> and later explains
>>> idOrName  - the id or name of the control
>>> So I therefore saw the two ways of referring to the control as
>>> apparently interchangeable.
>> 
>> It is - apologies - the engine does look up both by id or name...
>> 
>> Do you see something if you also set the 'text' property?
>> 
>> There's also the 'borderStyle' property too.
>> 
>> My hunch is that something is there, but the background color is the same as 
>> the card, the border style is none and it has no content so it looks like 
>> nothing is there?
>> 
>> Warmest Regards,
>> 
>> Mark.
>> 
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

doc hawk wrote:

> It’s no substitute for GitHub and the like, but I have a rather simple
> system that intercepts saveStackRequest, checks the date, and saves a
> new version with the date as part of the name.  I also have a bmpVrsn
> routine that can be used to advance a letter during the day, so things
> like 200422b for the second version of a stack from today.

That's 1/3 of why I keep my work folders synced with my local Nextcloud 
server.


(The other 2/3 is that all those versions are safely backed up, and kept 
up to date on all the machines I use for testing.)


--
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 Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
 
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[doc hawk via use-livecode]

It’s no substitute for GitHub and the like, but I have a rather simple system 
that intercepts saveStackRequest, checks the date, and saves a new version with 
the date as part of the name.  I also have a bmpVrsn routine that can be used 
to advance a letter during the day, so things like 200422b for the second 
version of a stack from today.

I did a simple presentation with handout code for this at last year’s developer 
conference.

I can probably find them around somewhere.

The current problem with GitHub and stuff is the lack of a text file based 
storage, although I know someone has an add-on for that.


> On Apr 22, 2020, at 1:45 AM, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody, first time posting to this list, so I hope I get it right… :)
> 
> I need your wisdom on a slightly off-topic issue, though seen in the LiveCode 
> perspective:
> I’ve never used git, but I want to start now. 
> 
> I’m working on several LC projects, some with co-developers, several with 
> commercial potential, so I need to get more professional with version control 
> and other benefits that come with git.
> 
> I’ll educate myself on how to use it, but: Step one seems to be to select a 
> git host/system.
> GitHub is the obvious giant, but is it the best for my needs?
> 
> - I use LiveCode, obviously, so is any git service in any way more suited for 
> that?
> - I’m not very familiar with using the command line, so I’d prefer a git 
> service that has software that handles that, as far as possible. (Yeah, I’m a 
> developer, I can learn, but hey, we promote the xTalk way here, no? Command 
> line seems very much in the opposite side of the spectrum of readable code…)
> - I develop on Mac, in case that is a factor when choosing git solution?
> 
> So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with LiveCode 
> on Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command line?
> 
> Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel 
> moon? :)
> 
> Best
> Andreas
> (xTalker since HyperCard days, in other forums aka SWEdeAndy or WhenInSpace)
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Re: Mobile text input mystery

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

 Reading your response, Mark, I didn't feel so bad, since the LC Dictionary 
says for example about mobileControlSet

 syntax: mobileControlSet idOrName, PropertyName, value

and later explains

 idOrName  - the id or name of the control

So I therefore saw the two ways of referring to the control as apparently 
interchangeable.

However, I changed my openCard handler according to your suggestion and nothing 
at all changed. I think there must be some other factor, but as usual I just 
can’t see it.

Just to labour the point, here is my actual handler with the original names in 
place. The answer call works as expected:

on opencard -- we dynamically create a field for the user to key in the radius

global sinputID -- this is all from the LC lesson

   if environment() = "mobile" then

  mobileControlCreate "input", "FRadiusText" -- so the user can type in

  put the result into sinputID

  answer "opening text field for radius input. ID created is:" && sinputID 
&& "Name is:" && "FRadiusText"

 mobileControlSet "FRadiusText", "rect", "114,135,163,158" -- this is where 
the original rect was

  mobileControlSet "FRadiusText", "visible", "true"

  mobileControlSet "FRadiusText", "opaque", "true"

end if

end opencard


Still puzzled

Graham

> On 22 Apr 2020, at 18:34, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 2020-04-22 17:00, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:
>> As usual, the problem will be my fault, but I can’t get a mobile input
>> field to appear on a card. I’m debugging it at present, which explains
>> the answer statement:
>>on opencard -- we dynamically create a field for the user to key in
>> global sinputID -- this is all from the LC lesson. It’s a global
>> because I need to refer to it in a button later
>> if environment() = "mobile" then
>> mobileControlCreate "input", "FMyText" -- so the user can type in
>> put the result into sinputID — the Dictionary doesn’t mention
>> ‘the result’ but it does seem to be right
>> answer "opening text field for input. ID created is:" && sinputID
>>mobileControlSet sinputID, "rect", “114,135,163,158” — this is
>> a real location on the card
>>mobileControlSet sinputID, "visible", "true"
>>mobileControlSet sinputID, "opaque", "true"
>>  end if
>> end opencard
> 
> I'm pretty sure if you give your mobileControl a name (FMyText) in this case, 
> then that is the only way you can refer to it. You can only use 'the result' 
> of the Create function *if* you didn't give it a name.
> 
> So you need to do either:
> 
>  mobileControlCreate "input", "FMyText"
>  mobileControlSet "FMyText", ...
> 
> OR
> 
>  mobileControlCreate "input"
>  put the result into sinputID
>  mobileControlSet sinputID, ...
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> 
> Mark.
> 
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Mike Kerner via use-livecode]

github.  pricing is getting better, especially in the last month, to
compete with gitlab.  we have projects in both github and gitlab (and I
guess one person is messing with Azure, or whatever M$'s other git thang
is), but people seem to be using github more.
gitkraken is the most popular gui our people use.  part of that is because
of its glo boards, which give you a card/kanban style view of issues,
to-do's, calendars, etc., integrates with slack, blah, blah, blah.  It also
can be integrated with issues in github, which is nice because the
interface is better and easier to organize than issues, especially if you
have a lot of them.  Our ERP project, for example, has 201 issues open
right now.  Some of them are just one feature request or bug report, but
some of them are thirty or more sub-items deep with many
comments, documents, screen shots, etc. on them.
the person messing with Azure is using Visual Studio's git interface, one
is using github's client, and one is using the Working Copy app on ios.
Even if you don't choose gitkraken as your git client, you should check out
glo.  You can access glo any number of ways, including inside GK, from GK's
website, from slack, from Atom (and I think from SublimeText) and the glo
mobile app for ios.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 9:58 AM Trevor DeVore via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 3:46 AM Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> >
> > So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with
> > LiveCode on Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command
> > line?
> >
> > Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel
> > moon? :)
> >
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> I use GutHub for my LiveCode projects but haven’t looked at other services.
> I enjoy using it and they recently reduced pricing and made a team account
> available for free which is great.
>
> There aren’t any special tools for LiveCode on GitHub that I’m aware of. It
> isn’t even recognized as a language by GitHub. At the moment I’m investing
> how I might get automated builds working for my Levure apps using GitHub
> and CircleCI. I’m in the very early stages of research and haven’t made any
> real progress yet.
>
> I love using Tower for my Git GUI. I’ve been very pleased with it.
>
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Re: Mobile text input mystery

[Mark Waddingham via use-livecode]

On 2020-04-22 17:00, Graham Samuel via use-livecode wrote:

As usual, the problem will be my fault, but I can’t get a mobile input
field to appear on a card. I’m debugging it at present, which explains
the answer statement:

on opencard -- we dynamically create a field for the user to key in
 global sinputID -- this is all from the LC lesson. It’s a global
because I need to refer to it in a button later
 if environment() = "mobile" then
 mobileControlCreate "input", "FMyText" -- so the user can type 
in

 put the result into sinputID — the Dictionary doesn’t mention
‘the result’ but it does seem to be right
 answer "opening text field for input. ID created is:" && 
sinputID

mobileControlSet sinputID, "rect", “114,135,163,158” — this is
a real location on the card
mobileControlSet sinputID, "visible", "true"
mobileControlSet sinputID, "opaque", "true"
  end if
end opencard


I'm pretty sure if you give your mobileControl a name (FMyText) in this 
case, then that is the only way you can refer to it. You can only use 
'the result' of the Create function *if* you didn't give it a name.


So you need to do either:

  mobileControlCreate "input", "FMyText"
  mobileControlSet "FMyText", ...

OR

  mobileControlCreate "input"
  put the result into sinputID
  mobileControlSet sinputID, ...

Warmest Regards,

Mark.

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Mobile text input mystery

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

As usual, the problem will be my fault, but I can’t get a mobile input field to 
appear on a card. I’m debugging it at present, which explains the answer 
statement:

on opencard -- we dynamically create a field for the user to key in
 global sinputID -- this is all from the LC lesson. It’s a global because I 
need to refer to it in a button later
 if environment() = "mobile" then
 mobileControlCreate "input", "FMyText" -- so the user can type in
 put the result into sinputID — the Dictionary doesn’t mention ‘the 
result’ but it does seem to be right
 answer "opening text field for input. ID created is:" && sinputID
mobileControlSet sinputID, "rect", “114,135,163,158” — this is a real 
location on the card
mobileControlSet sinputID, "visible", "true"
mobileControlSet sinputID, "opaque", "true"
  end if
end opencard


As far as I’m concerned this comes straight out of the LC dictionary. When I 
run this in the iPhone simulator, it the ‘answer’ fires, and the ID is 1. But 
nothing appears on the card.

Can anyone explain what I’m doing wrong this time? I seem to have a lot of 
trouble getting dynamic elements like fields, keyboards and selection scrollers 
to appear, but the above is the simplest problem I have in that line.

Graham
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Re: Apps to fight COVID-19

[David Bovill via use-livecode]

Yes - we launched the radio station collecting sounds and voices from round
the world on Earth Day, it is live now with sounds being added to the piece
as it comes in. Radio player on this page:

   - https://www.nowwhat2020.com/sonic-spring-sound-garden

To listen live. It's an ambient musical slow jam - start of a project
leading to a conference we will be organising for Earth Day next year.

As part of the event we are also doing an open space meeting (in Zoom -
sorry about that - last one hopefully before we move to our own platform).
We're doing it on Patterns of Life - where we discuss Pattern Language and
it's relation to the origins of Wiki with Ward Cunningham, and to the
future information architecture we need. It's an open space with breakouts
so you can bring your own topics and discuss them with others in small
groups:

   - Patterns of Nature -
   https://teamup.com/event/show/id/eNTEPffjchtYe3RYbzHjCXQy7ePrzr
   - Full calendar of events - https://teamup.com/ks3bcytpjd2v8bus7k
   - Zoom - https://zoom.us/j/92153676576 (20:00 London Time - see calendar
   above for times in your zone)


Best wished on Earth Day,

David


On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 at 16:57, dsc--- via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Is something still happening tomorrow?
>
> > On Apr 18, 2020, at 1:46 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I will attend.
> >
> >> On Apr 18, 2020, at 7:45 AM, David Bovill via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> The app looks a good start, but basic. I took a closer look at the
> cartoon images, they are quite specific, but a good base for a discussion
> about privacy issues. Not so good for an app.
> >>
> >> My suggestion regarding taking this forwards is that we have a creative
> workshop on Earth Day this coming Weds, as part of an in-line in conference
> that we are organising with a few folk. There will be plenty of other thing
> to drop into. I’ll send some info to this list on Sunday.
> >>
> >> It’s pretty informal, so we can organise our own breakout open space
> meeting when we like - so it should be no issue organising a Livecode
> workshop on making a CORVID-19 app.
> >>
> >> My focus is on doing an interactive sound piece and helping convene
> some if the breakout discussions, but doing a workshop on Livecode would be
> a fun part of that.
> >>
> >> I could do with some help though :)
> >> On 17 Apr 2020, 17:09 +0100, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com>, wrote:
> >>> Here is a cool app from Kreativzirkel Design Studio. It is a contact
> diary as mentioned here.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.coronika.app/en 
> >>>
> >>> I say "cool", but I haven't tried it. it looks good. Should it be done
> better?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Apr 15, 2020, at 4:57 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> 
>  Meanwhile at Covid Watch there is talk of moving the provider-facing
> at to a web app of some sort.
> 
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 1:37 PM, dsc--- via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > Jonathan Rothberg is looking for brilliant people who can code
> whatever your domain.
> >
> >
> >> On Apr 13, 2020, at 6:52 PM, Dar Scott Consulting via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:42 AM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On 4/13/20 10:14 AM, dsc--- via use-livecode wrote:
>  1. Covid Watch needs expertise in making HIPAA compliant apps.
> (We have changed COVID Watch to Covid Watch.)
> >>>
> >>> This any help?
> >>>
> >>> https://www.healthcareblocks.com/hipaa/developer_guidelines
> >>>
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> >>> ahsoftw...@gmail.com
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

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use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
> So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with
> LiveCode on Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command
> line?
>
> Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel
> moon? :)
>

Hi Andreas,

I use GutHub for my LiveCode projects but haven’t looked at other services.
I enjoy using it and they recently reduced pricing and made a team account
available for free which is great.

There aren’t any special tools for LiveCode on GitHub that I’m aware of. It
isn’t even recognized as a language by GitHub. At the moment I’m investing
how I might get automated builds working for my Levure apps using GitHub
and CircleCI. I’m in the very early stages of research and haven’t made any
real progress yet.

I love using Tower for my Git GUI. I’ve been very pleased with it.

-- 
Trevor DeVore
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Re: Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

All of my LC stuff is on GitHub (bwmilby).  I’m primarily Mac and use 
Atlassian’s Sourcetree to interact with my repositories.  I use my own 
ScriptTracker tool to export the scripts of stacks so I can track the changes.

Thanks,
Brian
On Apr 22, 2020, 4:46 AM -0400, Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode 
, wrote:
> Hi everybody, first time posting to this list, so I hope I get it right… :)
>
> I need your wisdom on a slightly off-topic issue, though seen in the LiveCode 
> perspective:
> I’ve never used git, but I want to start now.
>
> I’m working on several LC projects, some with co-developers, several with 
> commercial potential, so I need to get more professional with version control 
> and other benefits that come with git.
>
> I’ll educate myself on how to use it, but: Step one seems to be to select a 
> git host/system.
> GitHub is the obvious giant, but is it the best for my needs?
>
> - I use LiveCode, obviously, so is any git service in any way more suited for 
> that?
> - I’m not very familiar with using the command line, so I’d prefer a git 
> service that has software that handles that, as far as possible. (Yeah, I’m a 
> developer, I can learn, but hey, we promote the xTalk way here, no? Command 
> line seems very much in the opposite side of the spectrum of readable code…)
> - I develop on Mac, in case that is a factor when choosing git solution?
>
> So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with LiveCode 
> on Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command line?
>
> Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel 
> moon? :)
>
> Best
> Andreas
> (xTalker since HyperCard days, in other forums aka SWEdeAndy or WhenInSpace)
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Which git service suits a LiveCoder best?

[Andreas Bergendal via use-livecode]

Hi everybody, first time posting to this list, so I hope I get it right… :)

I need your wisdom on a slightly off-topic issue, though seen in the LiveCode 
perspective:
I’ve never used git, but I want to start now. 

I’m working on several LC projects, some with co-developers, several with 
commercial potential, so I need to get more professional with version control 
and other benefits that come with git.

I’ll educate myself on how to use it, but: Step one seems to be to select a git 
host/system.
GitHub is the obvious giant, but is it the best for my needs?

- I use LiveCode, obviously, so is any git service in any way more suited for 
that?
- I’m not very familiar with using the command line, so I’d prefer a git 
service that has software that handles that, as far as possible. (Yeah, I’m a 
developer, I can learn, but hey, we promote the xTalk way here, no? Command 
line seems very much in the opposite side of the spectrum of readable code…)
- I develop on Mac, in case that is a factor when choosing git solution?

So, in short: How do I best get started with git when working with LiveCode on 
Mac, in small teams or alone, wishing minimal use of command line?

Do I just let gravity pull me into the GitHub gas giant, or join a rebel moon? 
:)

Best
Andreas
(xTalker since HyperCard days, in other forums aka SWEdeAndy or WhenInSpace)
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