Doing user testing in a risk free way (Re: gitter)

On 2017-07-30 01:04, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: I’m actually not sure I see the connection between the ide submodule and the 8.1.6-rc-2. Heh - the connection is indirect, however it is definitely there! **The goal: We want to do A/B testing on LiveCode's 'first run' experience.

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

On 7/29/17 11:02 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: On 2017-07-30 05:43, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: There may be a minor difference when acceleratedRendering is on, but not enough to really help much. I'll see if I can extract a group. It's one from Swami's project, built

Wait, the problem, and why it is important to solve

So LiveCode has long has this feature called 'wait' - it is one of those seemingly innocuous things which, from the surface seems simple (it allows you to wait for something - it's great when syntax is aptly named!) however it is perhaps one of the deepest language features we have. I think

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

On 2017-07-30 05:43, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: There may be a minor difference when acceleratedRendering is on, but not enough to really help much. I'll see if I can extract a group. It's one from Swami's project, built dynamically, and all the images are referenced, so it isn't as

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

There may be a minor difference when acceleratedRendering is on, but not enough to really help much. I'll see if I can extract a group. It's one from Swami's project, built dynamically, and all the images are referenced, so it isn't as easy as just copying a card. Would referenced images

Re: Parsing (scraping) OpenGraph Tags from html HEAD

Here's where it's handy that delimiters can now be more than a single character. This should extract the lines you need regardless of whether they contain carriage returns or not: on parseHeader pData set the lineDel to "",l)-1 of l & cr after tList end repeat -- do something with

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

H - do you notice a difference between accelrender on and off on android? If you can copy the group onto a bare stack as is and file it with a bug report we can take a look. That case should work well so there might be something specific going on in that case. Warmest Regards, Mark. Sent

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

On 7/29/17 8:07 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: So if you have a completely static scrolling group (i.e. one you can layout 'ahead of time' or build 'ahead of time') which can fit within a groups 32k co-ord width/height limit - then acceleratedRendering will do you just fine as

Re: CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

On 2017-07-30 01:06, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote: Mark, I cannot use the widget because of bug #20200. I was hoping you were going to say 'because I hadn't thought to' (although, I must confess that was a fanciful notion, having observed your attention to detail over the years).

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

On 2017-07-30 02:35, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: Isn't this the "datagrid scrolling" issue we just funded? The layout has groups inside a container group. No - not quite. From what Dan said - he has a *fixed* layout - i.e. a group with 200 subgroups. Todd has used this approach

Re: gitter

I'm just now getting my head around how to set them up.SourceTree is recursive by default so my builds were fine.Took a little more playing around to set it up so I could contribute to the IDE and also build with my changes.(I had it set up as a separate workspace) On

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Wow! Quite the discussion! and here I was away from the list adding one last (hehe maybe not) feature to V1 of the SivaSiva app (hope to release by Aug 15) which was to create a "news channel" of course the obvious way to do this is have an HTML page on line, that you call into a browser

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

Isn't this the "datagrid scrolling" issue we just funded? The layout has groups inside a container group. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On July 29, 2017 6:28:06 PM Mark Waddingham via

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

So - quick outline... Set the layermode of the group to scrolling. Make sure it is just a bare group - no scrollbars, no border. Set the layermode of the other controls to static. Set the acceleratedRendering of the stack to true. Hopefully that should have some effect. Warmest Regards,

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

Sorry - I mean did you set the accelerated rendering to true? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2017, at 7:20 PM, jonathandly...@gmail.com wrote: > > Did you set the acceleratedrendering of the group ? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode >>

Re: Sluggish on Mobile Device

Did you set the acceleratedrendering of the group ? Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2017, at 5:59 PM, Dan Friedman via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have a stack/card that has: > > (1) A background that is a high-res image, > (2) A group of about 200 groups that

Re: CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

Mark, I cannot use the widget because of bug #20200. If we can expect a fix for 20200 then there would be no need for a bug report for the browser external. Or is it more realistic that if i report it as a bug that the browser external is fixed earlier than bug 20200? Matthias Rebbe +49

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:59 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'd rather suffer internal grumblings from our team due to having to have an > IDE submodule, than much larger shouts from our users when we make an error > like we did in 8.1.6-rc-2. I

Re: CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

The script just contains the normal url, but my email added this 2nd one with the brackets. I am on Mac OS X. Matthias Rebbe +49 5741 31 ‌matthiasrebbe.eu ‌ > Am 30.07.2017 um 00:57 schrieb Mike Bonner via use-livecode >

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-30 00:53, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:49 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: However, the IDE submodule is set to stay (despite various discussions about merging it internally - I've always said no, and I'm

Re: CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

Other than the invalid form of the url, its working for me here (in the ide, windows 10, 9.0 dp7) I end up with a blank browser because it doesn't know how to handle the part of the url, removing that correctly brings up the livecode site. Sounds like something in the

Re: CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

On 2017-07-30 00:44, Matthias Rebbe via use-livecode wrote: stack "Untitled 1": execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: creation failed) near "creation failed" Am i missing something? It might be a bug - there's been a fair amount of churn in CEF stuff in recent

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 8:49 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > However, the IDE submodule is set to stay (despite various discussions about > merging it internally - I've always said no, and I'm glad I have) - indeed, > the fact it is a separate

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-30 00:10, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Have I mentioned lately how much I hate submodules? Have I mentioned lately how much I hate submodules? ;) Actually, submodules actually do their job really quite well. They aren't ideal, but they do enforce modularity (hence the name

CEF Browser - what is wrong with my script

Hi, i get the error stack "Untitled 1": execution error at line n/a (External handler execution error: creation failed) near "creation failed" when executing the following script in ide local tBrowserId put revBrowserOpenCEF(the windowId of this stack, "http://www.livecode.com

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 01:59 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: FWIW I have it on my phone and open on my desktop so I get notifications and respond if I know the answer. Usually it’s “Have you updated submodules?” ;-) Its not just on Gitter that sentence gets uttered a lot - it also occurs

Sluggish on Mobile Device

I have a stack/card that has: (1) A background that is a high-res image, (2) A group of about 200 groups that form a scrolling list, (3) 2 buttons and another group all with transparencies that live on top of the scrolling list. On a desktop computer, it’s fine. But on an actual device (or the

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

On 2017-07-29 23:10, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: Hmm… I don’t do that and I seem to get along ok. Indeed in the newer versions of Xcode I can witch branches then regenerate the config and Xcode is fine with that. Interesting - maybe something subtle has changed in recent months

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

On 2017-07-29 13:10, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: So... if we use the wait command, and deploy to HTML5, the engine converts it to JavaScript with extra functions because the engine added in asynchronous timeouts? And you preserve all the variable values of the source LC script across

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 7:04 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > Completely unrelated to the SDK thing, but it is worth mentioning (as Brian > obviously also noticed issues with develop-8.1)... > > If you are building from source keep an entirely

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

On 2017-07-29 23:00, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: Ah, yes, it doesn’t do anything if the sdk is already linked in. There’s a few things I’d like to change about that script. One is it should link in any SDKs that are in the cache or found in the other xcode app bundles rather than just

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 2:50 am, Brian Milby via use-livecode > wrote: > > Somehow I did get all of my Xcode installs messed up so none would launch > last night. After I reinstalled 8.3, I ran the script to build the links. > Then I decided that I would rather

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-29 22:51, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote: As we get more contributors gitter will become more active and you will be able to answer many of the questions for each other. There’s little point expecting a great deal of chatter if there’s only half a dozen people outside the

Re: Out of the office

On 2017-07-29 09:11, james--- via use-livecode wrote: Well imagine my surprise to see three (and now four) user list digests waiting for me this morning. Hopefully that wasn't entirely down to me - although I did send 30+ emails to the use-list yesterday... Going through them and enjoying

Re: gitter

> On 30 Jul 2017, at 1:01 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode > wrote: > > On 07/29/2017 01:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: >> P.S. None of us tend to sit on gitter.io - we can only >> process so many simultaneous inputs - however

Re: Parsing (scraping) OpenGraph Tags from html HEAD

Hi Swami, I know you can do this in Javascript, but you will have to enumerate through a JavaScript object to get all of the properties: https://www.w3schools.com/jsref/prop_meta_content.asp Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2017, at 4:16 PM, Sannyasin Brahmanathaswami via use-livecode >

Parsing (scraping) OpenGraph Tags from html HEAD

given that a) trying to instantiate an XML tree from any given web page is likely to fail 85% of the time because they simply are never built to that strict a standard and b) you want to extract from the of the document the openGraph tags https://www.youtube.com/user/kauaiaadheenam;>

Re: How can I scrape text from a web page that is generated by javascript?

FYI depending on what you are trying to get out you can also get the htmltext of widget "browser"; set the htmltext of templateField(); put the text of templateField() and see if that may serve in some use case. On 7/24/17, 12:41 PM, "use-livecode on behalf of Mike Bonner via

Re: gitter

On 2017-07-29 21:00, Mark Wieder via use-livecode wrote: Yeah. That's what I was trying to say. I know - I just thought I'd take the opportunity to be a little more blunt about it since you gave me the hook to do so - i.e. gitter is not a route to get direct tech support from our engineers

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Hi Jim, One can have interruptible animations by using a handler that progresses the movement a single step, then calls itself using a send-in-time construction to initiate the next step. I recently posted a momentum scrolling script on this list that uses this technique. Does that help?

Re: gitter

On 07/29/2017 08:38 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Well Gitter itself is posed as more a technical/open source software dev thing I think. Peter set it up as a more modern form of irc channels where people contributing to the open source project can interact with us and others

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

On 7/28/17 1:14 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: > > I think the first thing we would need would be builtin > gesture support. In this case, this isn't even 'a gesture has happened' > but 'it looks like a swipe is just starting' (I think at least). e.g. > swipeBegin / swipeContinue

Re: E.T.

On 7/29/17 8:47 AM, Dr. Hawkins wrote: On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Phil Davis via use-livecode > wrote: You could distribute your product on flash drives and require that they be plugged in during use.

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Hey, Mixed answer below: > - when the app needs access to the phone's functions (notifications, GPS, > screen dimming, text messages, etc) > There are Web APIs for: * Geolocation https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Geolocation * Notification (both local and push): - Local:

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Hey, I think I am on a special position to talk about this as I have been on the bleeding edge of the Web trenches for a while. Instead of boring everyone here to death, I will do a quick TL;DR first with the actual info and then digress a bit about the current situation. = WEB: * The

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

Thanks for the pointers. I was able to get the build working this morning and confirm what was needed to make the AS Dictionary visible in the build. Somehow I did get all of my Xcode installs messed up so none would launch last night. After I reinstalled 8.3, I ran the script to build the

Re: controlNames deprecated??

I use Firefox for dev'ing on the html5 engine as it tends to be at the forefront of 'what is to come' and also I find it's dev console somehow more responsive and 'better' than Chrome's and Safari's when dealing with huge blob of JS that the html5 engine is. For everything else I use Chrome.

Re: controlNames deprecated??

On Fri, Jul 28, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > I recently had a brief flirtation with Firefox for a few weeks, then gave > up in disgust and went back to Chrome. Web browsers are such memory hogs > these days. I used slimjet for a few

Re: Sneaky email messages

Richmond, You can post to a server script that will send email. This is very useful if your students use different machines in a classroom and you want to notify the instructor, but can't rely on the local machine's email settings. It ought to be able to be done using whatever hosting account

Re: Sneaky email messages

I just mean using the post command, or something similar, to send a request with information to a server that you set up. That is way more work than email, but does not hijack their email system. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2017, at 11:43 AM, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode >

Re: E.T.

On Sat, Jul 29, 2017 at 1:25 AM, Phil Davis via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > You could distribute your product on flash drives and require that they be > plugged in during use. Each flash drive (thumb drive, whatever) has a > unique ID in its firmware that the OS (and

Re: Sneaky email messages

"via posting to a server" . . . Pray tell . . . Richmond. On 7/29/17 6:19 pm, Jonathan Lynch via use-livecode wrote: Hi Richmond, I think it would be underhanded to use their email system to do that without warning them, but much less offensive to send reports via posting to a server, as

Re: gitter

Well Gitter itself is posed as more a technical/open source software dev thing I think. Peter set it up as a more modern form of irc channels where people contributing to the open source project can interact with us and others along those lines. For that it works really well. There can be a

Re: Sneaky email messages

Hi Richmond, I think it would be underhanded to use their email system to do that without warning them, but much less offensive to send reports via posting to a server, as long as you let them know your software will do that from time-to-time. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 29, 2017, at 10:58

Re: Any results for LMS project?

Martin: Thanks. I continue to be interested in this. I’ll be on the road for 9 days, but would like to keep in touch with any progress being made. Best, Bill P > On Jul 29, 2017, at 6:04 AM, Martin Koob via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi > > Including LMS in my

gitter

On 07/29/2017 01:44 AM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: P.S. None of us tend to sit on gitter.io - we can only process so many simultaneous inputs - however gitter does send email notifications when someone posts something on there and usually it doesn't take too long for one of us to

Sneaky email messages

" When Livecode executes the *revMail* command, the user's email program is opened (*if necessary*) and a new email message with the specified parameters is created. The user can change any of the settings before sending the message, and the message is *not sent automatically*: the user must

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Here is an example of using wait in my app... It seems to work better if I first load the map, then add markers from my database, rather than doing both at once. There is not a good trigger to detect when the map is fully loaded and displayed. So, I set an event listener for the page load, to

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

You are right, Hermann - did not mean that to be mean-spirited to my home country, which I actually rather love. My apologies. I do think that "wait" can be useful sometimes, but not often. I was just surprised at the effort they are taking to reproduce "wait" in HTML deployment. Sent from

Re: Any results for LMS project?

Hi Including LMS in my application is still in my roadmap but I am not there yet so I haven't investigated this much. It seemed others were further along in their research. I was looking at TinCan(xAPI) but I was just at the research stage to see if that would meet my requirements and you I think

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Hi I took that to be a self-deprecating comment and not anything to be offended by unless your comment hermann is supposed to be ironic in some sense? Regards Lagi On 29 July 2017 at 13:51, hh via use-livecode wrote: > #wait > I don't miss the "wait" handler in

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

#wait I don't miss the "wait" handler in HTML5 and I wouldn't miss it in LC Script. I even don't know of any use case where "send in " (which works perfectly in HTML5) isn't superior to "wait". Especially when connected to move/animation. Also I don't miss "wait" in LC Builder. There OnTimer() is

Re: Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

Well, now I'm not sure about this: I ran the script on my Macintosh (where I have the Admin account) and it returned the MAC address,a as in did on Linux. So? The Q is whether this will work on a machine where the user has a Guest account. Richmond. On 7/29/17 2:07 pm, Klaus major-k via

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

So... if we use the wait command, and deploy to HTML5, the engine converts it to JavaScript with extra functions because the engine added in asynchronous timeouts? And you preserve all the variable values of the source LC script across these multiple functions? This was the easy solution?

Re: Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

Hi richmond, > Am 29.07.2017 um 12:57 schrieb Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > : > > BUT ;-) > > env001 presupposes with a Macintosh that you have superuser access; oh, sorry, did not take a deeper look. Maybe you can ask the user for his admin password

Re: Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

For Windows solution on mouseUp put $systemdrive into tSysDrive //string for the shell command put "vol " & tSySDrive into tDriveInfo //the last word of the returned info is the ACTIVE SYSTEM HD Serial set the hideConsoleWindows to true put the last word of shell(tDriveInfo) into tHDSerial

Re: Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

BUT ;-) env001 presupposes with a Macintosh that you have superuser access; now if I send you a stack and try to get that stack to get your MAC address and either send it to me or store it somewhere I have a feeling that can only be done with your permission? This may not be a bad thing as

Re: Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

Thanks for that. Richmond. On 7/29/17 1:46 pm, Klaus major-k via use-livecode wrote: Hi Richmond, Please check Ken Ray's great site for some valuable hints: Especially: -> disk001 -> env001 Maybe a good starting point! Best

Copy protection WAS Re: Hard Drives

Hi Richmond, Please check Ken Ray's great site for some valuable hints: Especially: -> disk001 -> env001 Maybe a good starting point! Best Klaus -- Klaus Major http://www.major-k.de kl...@major-k.de

Hard Drives

If I do this (Macintosh): put the volumes I get a fairly goofy list: HOME TIME MACHINE home net 'goofy' insofar as it does not give me the volumes' serial numbers. I am aware that on Windows one can do this sort of thing: put $systemdrive and that gives something like this: C: which is

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

> Recent versions of Xcode have a setting in an internal plist to (by default) > ignore the 10.9 SDK - this can be solved by: > > "edit (with Xcode) the MinimumSDKVersion key value in > /Applications/Xcode.app/Contents/Developer/Platforms/MacOSX.platform/Info.plist" We have a script that does

Re: Compiling LiveCode on Sierra

On 2017-07-29 07:11, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote: Is it possible to compile the LiveCode IDE on Mac OS 10.12.6? Yes - some of us (at LiveCode) use 10.11, some 10.12. We also have a 10.9 machine which is more of a 'hot-desk'. (One of our test machines is 10.10 IIRC, so we have all

Re: E.T.

On 2017-07-29 09:53, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I would suppose I need that software to "phone home" and check itself against a list (text document) or something so that only 5 copies can function "out there", and if a 6th version phones home it will do a "Peter Graves" and

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

On 2017-07-29 07:11, J. Landman Gay via use-livecode wrote: On 7/28/17 7:29 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: P.S. At some point I'll write at length about the 'wait' problem in HTML5. Whilst I try not to let myself be kept awake at night by engineering problems related to work - if

Re: Web vs Native (was Re: HTML5 limitations?)

Indeed! That is the crux of the problem. Neither Android nor iOS have 'wait' (or the underlying OS feature you need to implement it) either. However those platforms have general threads so you can emulate it. HTML5 does not have general threads (although it probably will in about 2-3 years -

E.T.

Let us suppose I have sold a 5 seat licence of some software to an organisation and I don't want its workers merrily taking copies of that software home to pop on their home machines as well as giving copies to Aunty Betty, Uncle Oswald and Cousin Jeff . . . I would suppose I need that

Out of the office

Well imagine my surprise to see three (and now four) user list digests waiting for me this morning. Going through them and enjoying Mark Waddingham's answer to questions as well as to himself I find myself torn between wanting Kevin to send him out of the office more often (and thus allow him