Re: [OT-ish] Updating MacBook from El Capitan to Sierra to install Xcode 8.3+

As others have said, Sierra (10.12.x) is good old (?) HFS+. High Sierra (10.13.x) introduces APFS and is still in developer preview beta. I have upgraded 8 or so macs to Sierra with few problems. My biggest headache was going from 10.12.5 to 10.12.6 on only one machine that got in a fight with

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 4:29 PM, Mark Wieder via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > On 08/03/2017 02:58 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote: > > tsk, tsk. >> >> Alcohol and math don't mix: don't drink and derive! >> > > They do, but then you end up with fuzzy logic. > > Or t

Re: Taking quotes on building LC external for RethinkDB

Hi Bob... It's a real time dB with push notifications. .. So your application does not query the dB to be updated... The updates are pushed to the clients when there is a change. So you subscribe to a query. So it's way more scalable than traditional databases and way easier to distribute.

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On 08/03/2017 02:58 PM, Dr. Hawkins via use-livecode wrote: tsk, tsk. Alcohol and math don't mix: don't drink and derive! They do, but then you end up with fuzzy logic. -- Mark Wieder ahsoftw...@gmail.com ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livec

RE: [OT-ish] Updating MacBook from El Capitan to Sierra to install Xcode 8.3+

Thanks Monte and The Doctor... I should have explored a little deeper on the "High" version. Ralph DiMola IT Director Evergreen Information Services rdim...@evergreeninfo.net ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit th

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

Erdős is considered one of the most prolific mathematicians of the 20th century. His most famous quote is 'a mathematician is a machine for turning coffee into theorems'. He drank a lot of coffee. He also took a lot of amphetamines. Warmest Regards, Mark. Sent from my iPhone > On 3 Aug 2017

Re: Hackintosh

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 2:35 PM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > The French revolution, the Russian revolution. Point out the > longest lived totalitarian state that still exists today. They all fall > eventually > Rome, however, took 1,500 years from the be

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:38 PM, hh via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Monte wrote: > > ... G&T drinking holiday ;-) > tsk, tsk. Alcohol and math don't mix: don't drink and derive! [*duck*] -- Dr. Richard E. Hawkins, Esq. (702) 508-8462 _

Re: Android device speed

I am overthinking this. A group that is visible but layered under another object would do it. 1. Turn on accelerated rendering 2. Scroll the group programmatically from top to bottom as many times as possible in a quarter second. 3. Adjust the div size based on the number of times it can do the

Re: Hackintosh

One is a difference in kind, the other in degree. Bob S > On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:07 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > Well, if you are aware of that distinction you should be aware of the > difference between a law made by a democratically elected body > and a decree called

Re: Hackintosh

The French revolution, the Russian revolution. Point out the longest lived totalitarian state that still exists today. They all fall eventually. Bob S > On Aug 3, 2017, at 10:05 , Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode > wrote: > > Despotic machines are often so efficient (cf. North Korea) th

Re: Hackintosh

There have been lawyers for almost as long as there have been prostitutes. Neither is going away anytime soon. Bob S > On Aug 3, 2017, at 05:08 , Roger Eller via use-livecode > wrote: > > This sparked a memory of an old scene in Star Trek > , whe

Re: Hackintosh

Wear your kilt. It's easior to pee. Bob S > On Aug 2, 2017, at 14:40 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > Indeed - and (if I remember correctly) - one purpose of devils advocate is to > ensure the other side justifies its case 'sufficiently' (for some definition > of sufficiently

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

Now we know how new math came to be. > On Aug 3, 2017, at 13:53 , Monte Goulding via use-livecode > wrote: > >> >> On 4 Aug 2017, at 6:38 am, hh via use-livecode >> wrote: >> >>> Monte wrote: >>> ... G&T drinking holiday ;-) >> >> Practising Geometry & Trigonometry and drinking?? > > Ye

Re: Android device speed

It looks like we need to use a combination of requestAnimationFrame and performance.now in JavaScript to test the GPU. I would rather test the GPU in LC, but I don't know how to do that without having a visible animation on the screen. Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 3, 2017, at 9:05 AM, jonathan

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

> On 4 Aug 2017, at 6:38 am, hh via use-livecode > wrote: > >> Monte wrote: >> ... G&T drinking holiday ;-) > > Practising Geometry & Trigonometry and drinking?? Yeah I know… crazy mathematicians! What can you do. Cheers Monte ___ use-livecode mai

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

> Monte wrote: > ... G&T drinking holiday ;-) Practising Geometry & Trigonometry and drinking?? ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http:/

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

> On 4 Aug 2017, at 6:16 am, Monte Goulding via use-livecode > wrote: > > They probably should be deprecated. I have started some internal discussion about this. There’s mouseStillDown as well. I think they shouldn’t be in the handler list as they may not be deprecated but are certainly not

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:16 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > A better mouseWithin would be something like this: > > local sMouseWithin = false > > on mouseEnter >put true into sMouseWithin > end mouseEnter > that would take some serious work on m

Re: [OT-ish] Updating MacBook from El Capitan to Sierra to install Xcode 8.3+

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 1:13 PM, Colin Holgate via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > It’s High Sierra that has APFS, and I did have major problems in trying > that. It may be better by now, but when I had to wipe my drive I went back > to regular HFS+. I would expect that whe

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

> On 3 Aug 2017, at 10:54 pm, dunbarx via use-livecode > wrote: > > Note: If there is no mouseWithin handler in the target object's script, no > mouseWithin message is sent, even if there is a mouseWithin handler in an > object that's further along the message path. > > Why this should be so i

Re: [OT-ish] Updating MacBook from El Capitan to Sierra to install Xcode 8.3+

It’s High Sierra that has APFS, and I did have major problems in trying that. It may be better by now, but when I had to wipe my drive I went back to regular HFS+. LiveCode seems to be working ok. > On Aug 3, 2017, at 3:28 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode > wrote: > > I'm going to do this F

[OT-ish] Updating MacBook from El Capitan to Sierra to install Xcode 8.3+

I'm going to do this Friday night and was looking for any advice/tricks to make this go smooth(as much as possible). I have read about a few disasters online when upgrading from HFS+ to the new APFS file system. I am running a 16gb Early 2011 15" MacBook Pro. I CCC'ed my 1tb drive to a new 2tb

Re: How to remove from a group

Hi. You have to relayer after a control actually within the group of interest. Something like: (Pseudo) relayer "btnToInsert" after btn "btnWithinGroup" Craig Newman -- View this message in context: http://runtime-revolution.278305.n4.nabble.com/How-to-remove-from-a-group-tp4717960p4717967.h

Re: How to remove from a group

Sorry Randy. And how do I put an an object into a group? I tried relayer before group "..." but it just sends object to the back, not inside the group. On 3 August 2017 at 18:46, Kaveh Bazargan wrote: > Astounding. Works. Thank you. Never had seen relayer!!! > > On 3 August 2017 at 18:30, Rand

Re: How to remove from a group

Astounding. Works. Thank you. Never had seen relayer!!! On 3 August 2017 at 18:30, Randy Hengst via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > How about something like this in the button you want to remove from a > group… > if the first word the owner of me is "Group" then > > relayer

Re: How to remove from a group

How about something like this in the button you want to remove from a group… if the first word the owner of me is "Group" then relayer me after the owner of me end if > On Aug 3, 2017, at 11:52 AM, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode > wrote: > > Can't find how to remove a button from a group o

Re: Hackintosh

Well, if you are aware of that distinction you should be aware of the difference between a law made by a democratically elected body and a decree called a "law" made by a non-representative body such as an absolute monarch or an oligarchy. R. On 8/3/17 6:40 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wro

Re: Hackintosh

On 8/3/17 6:33 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: I don't see it that way. Apple has a choice to adhere to China's laws or no. Well, money almost always talks louder than either morals or anything else. China has a choice to allow the sale of Apple products in their country. "Vhina

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

This changed in LC 9dp8 and default handlers are no longer inserted, to avoid just this issue. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | jac...@hyperactivesw.com HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com On August 3, 2017 10:45:06 AM dunbarx via use-livecode wrote:

How to remove from a group

Can't find how to remove a button from a group of buttons. Tried this in stack script: on mouseup remove the target from group "presentations" grab the target end if end mouseup but says object is not in group. Checked it is. -- Kaveh Bazargan Director River Valley Technologies @

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

>yes, that was the problem craig. So need to remove that manually... Well, maybe, if you accidentally compiled that script. But all new buttons contain the uncompiled "head start" handler, so you can ignore them as a rule. I do, but have, now and then accidentally compiled, and had to track down

Re: Hackintosh

Read C. S. Lewis on the matter of "laws" in these two very different senses. Laws of nature are not really laws that we can choose to break them and behave in a manner contrary to them. Laws in this context simply means "how things are". Laws in the second sense means "how we as a whole agree we

Re: Hackintosh

I don't see it that way. Apple has a choice to adhere to China's laws or no. China has a choice to allow the sale of Apple products in their country. The world is full of totalitarian states, and the populations there also have a choice: To live with their present situation, or to revolt. I s

Re: Made with . . .

If Waddingham is getting only chocolates it's time he changed his job. I hope that Kevin is also giving him flowers! Richmond. On 8/3/17 6:11 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote: Shouldn't you be getting the chocolates? ;-) Bob S On Aug 2, 2017, at 16:47 , Mark Waddingham via use-liveco

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 5:54 AM, dunbarx via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Note: If there is no mouseWithin handler in the target object's script, no > mouseWithin message is sent, even if there is a mouseWithin handler in an > object that's further along the message path

Re: how to get the value of a custom property if the name of the cProperty is in a variable?

If the handler is in the same script as the constant, why would you? A constant is for representing values that do not change after compile. Variables are for values that change during runtime. I cannot imagine a use case for putting a constant name into a variable, although I have thought about

Re: how to get the value of a custom property if the name of the cProperty is in a variable?

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 8:39 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > > Er… why if you know the name wouldn’t you type it unquoted? Are you really > suggesting to put any expression there? The property/function ambiguity > with `the` will make our heads explode!

Re: Made with . . .

Shouldn't you be getting the chocolates? ;-) Bob S > On Aug 2, 2017, at 16:47 , Mark Waddingham via use-livecode > wrote: > > Warmest Regards, > > Mark. > > P.S. I didn't write the above to dispute your point - merely to use it to > hint at a deeper truth... Which Richmond's pupil realised

Re: Taking quotes on building LC external for RethinkDB

I poked around on their web site. What is the advantage of this db over other SQL db's? Price? Speed? Ease of config? Bob S > On Aug 2, 2017, at 14:12 , Tom Glod via use-livecode > wrote: > > Hi folks, my company is currently taking quotes on building an LC external > to act as a driver for

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

On 3 August 2017 at 14:47, dunbarx via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > I feel a bit dumb. yes, there was an empty mouseup handler in the buttons. > So that is fixed. > > > Be careful in that a newly created button will, by default, have an > uncompiled mouseUp handler pre-in

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

I feel a bit dumb. yes, there was an empty mouseup handler in the buttons. So that is fixed. Be careful in that a newly created button will, by default, have an uncompiled mouseUp handler pre-installed. It is not "applied" as of yet, but its "text' appears in the script of the button. Such a co

Re: Android device speed

Thanks Roger, In this case, the issue is more with the map presented in a browser widget, which is less about LC and more about the embedded chrome framework. I think that my device is not really a high-end android machine, either. It looks like max-texture-size might be a decent proxy for meas

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

Hi. This is an anomalous (in my opinion) behavior of the "mouseWithin" message. >From the dictionary: Note: If there is no mouseWithin handler in the target object's script, no mouseWithin message is sent, even if there is a mouseWithin handler in an object that's further along the message path.

Re: Android device speed

I would be more inclined to not say in general "...that Android runs slower...", but rather "Android runs LiveCode apps slower." There are plenty of Android apps in the Play store that handle large graphics VERY well on Android. It may or may not be just how LiveCode rolls, as an improved experie

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

I feel a bit dumb. yes, there was an empty mouseup handler in the buttons. So that is fixed. Now for mousewithin... Having mousewithin in the stack script does not work unless I put: on mousewithin pass mousewithin end mousewithin in the button. What is the explanation for that? On 3 August

Re: Hackintosh

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 6:21 PM, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode < use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote: > Just to pay reference to the comment about LiveCode - I missed it the > first time around... > > We (LiveCode Ltd.) did not 'give away' LiveCode. We released it under a > software license tha

Re: MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

I’d start by double-checking that there is a mouseUp handler in the button. If there isn’t, then the mouseUp will move to the group… if no mouseUp in the group it will move to the card. be well, randy > On Aug 3, 2017, at 5:10 AM, Kaveh Bazargan via use-livecode > wrote: > > I have buttons i

Re: Android device speed

Hi Hermann, That page is a great resource! Some of their measurements might be a good proxy for GPU power, like the max viewport size and a couple others. It would be preferable to fully internalize the system check. I will look through the page source to see what JS commands they use to measu

Re: Android device speed

> Jonathan wrote: > It sounds like I need to find a way to detect the processing speed > of the device. Did you alread try to use webgl? See the source of https://browserleaks.com/webgl ___ use-livecode mailing list use-livecode@lists.runrev.com Please

Re: Android device speed

Thank you, Jacqueline, It sounds like I need to find a way to detect the processing speed of the device. If it is below a certain level, it could adjust the div viewport for the map proportionally to the processing power. It could reduce the size of the div, then reexpand it, using a 2d trans

Re: Mark in a kilt...

Still well worth a second salutation! R. On 8/3/17 1:18 pm, Keith Martin via use-livecode wrote: On 1 Aug 2017, at 7:53, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I salute Kevin and Mark for their adoption of kilts. It's certainly not new! I remember when Runtime Revolution got its first

Re: Mark in a kilt...

On 1 Aug 2017, at 7:53, Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode wrote: I salute Kevin and Mark for their adoption of kilts. It's certainly not new! I remember when Runtime Revolution got its first MacUser award nomination (MANY years ago!), Kevin and a couple of others came to the ceremony in ki

Re: Hackintosh

On 8/3/17 1:21 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Just to pay reference to the comment about LiveCode - I missed it the first time around... We (LiveCode Ltd.) did not 'give away' LiveCode. We released it under a software license that has strings. Indeed: but rather more flexible

Re: Hackintosh

I hope your G&T "did the trick". Richmond. On 8/3/17 12:40 am, Mark Waddingham via use-livecode wrote: Indeed - and (if I remember correctly) - one purpose of devils advocate is to ensure the other side justifies its case 'sufficiently' (for some definition of sufficiently - usually a great d

MouseDown sent to button in group, but MouseUp sent to card

I have buttons in a group. When I click any button, the mousedown message is received by the button correctly but mouseup is received by card. Also I believe mousewithin. How can I get the button to be the target for all? My script is in the stack Thanks. -- Kaveh Bazargan Director River Val

How do you detect the necessary inclusions?

Hello, I think in former times, when you once have choosen "Search for required inclusions", LiveCode once has checked all necessary inclusion, so that you got an idea for the needed ones, when you afterwords wanted to selected them manually (e.g. the automatic didn't selected all needed inclus

Re: Android device speed

Android devices come with a variety of different specifications. The high end models will be more capable than low end ones. Depending on manufacturer and model, the graphics card will vary in capability and available RAM. Screen resolution also makes a difference. I'm using older test devices

Video plays on Win 8.1 only when Windows MediaPlayer is open

Hello, LC 8.1.4, Windows 8.1 I am using the Windows standard videoPlayer API DirectShow with h.264 videos. LAV filters for playback of h.264 are installed. On a customer machine something weired happens. After starting the video, the videoscreen stays black, no video is seen. If the user klicks