Re: Segmented Control widget mouseDown

[prothero--- via use-livecode]

I had the same experience as Andrew. I would love to see a mousedown and 
mouseup message sent to this widget. 

Bill

William Prothero
http://earthlearningsolutions.org

> On May 1, 2018, at 10:16 PM, Andrew Bell via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> (apologies, this was initially sent to the wrong email)
> 
> Is there any way to capture mouseDown/Up on a Segmented Control widget? 
> hiliteChanged is the only message that is documented or shows up in the 
> Script Editor and standard mouseDown/Up handlers aren't acknowledged. Am I 
> missing something or does this need to be enabled first in LCB and then 
> passed to LC?
> 
> I tried putting a mouseDown/Up on the widget and it doesn't trigger. I tried 
> putting the widget in a group by itself (a trick I learned so I could put 
> Effects on widgets) and applying the mouseDown/Up script to the group and it 
> doesn't trigger. I add another object to that group and when I click on that 
> other object the group script finally triggers, but not when clicking on the 
> widget.
> 
> My problem is that I can't find a way to determine if the item of the 
> Segmented Control that was clicked was already the current hilitedItem. I 
> know I can toggle the hilite, but I just want to know if the current "active" 
> item has been clicked again.
> 
> My goal is to replace 3 buttons that I use to sort a dataGrid by 3 different 
> filters. Currently I have the buttons scripted to act like a group of radio 
> buttons (but they are standard buttons for easier skinning) and realize if 
> they are the "active" button and toggle sorting by descending/ascending for 
> that filter (the iconPresetName of a SVG widget is also toggled at this time 
> to indicate the sort direction).
> 
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Segmented Control widget mouseDown

[Andrew Bell via use-livecode]

(apologies, this was initially sent to the wrong email)

Is there any way to capture mouseDown/Up on a Segmented Control  
widget? hiliteChanged is the only message that is documented or shows  
up in the Script Editor and standard mouseDown/Up handlers aren't  
acknowledged. Am I missing something or does this need to be enabled  
first in LCB and then passed to LC?


I tried putting a mouseDown/Up on the widget and it doesn't trigger. I  
tried putting the widget in a group by itself (a trick I learned so I  
could put Effects on widgets) and applying the mouseDown/Up script to  
the group and it doesn't trigger. I add another object to that group  
and when I click on that other object the group script finally  
triggers, but not when clicking on the widget.


My problem is that I can't find a way to determine if the item of the  
Segmented Control that was clicked was already the current  
hilitedItem. I know I can toggle the hilite, but I just want to know  
if the current "active" item has been clicked again.


My goal is to replace 3 buttons that I use to sort a dataGrid by 3  
different filters. Currently I have the buttons scripted to act like a  
group of radio buttons (but they are standard buttons for easier  
skinning) and realize if they are the "active" button and toggle  
sorting by descending/ascending for that filter (the iconPresetName of  
a SVG widget is also toggled at this time to indicate the sort  
direction).


--Andrew Bell


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Re: Live search box

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

maybe I did not answer your question correctly.

You can conveniently:

set the rawText of btn "XYZ" to the clipBoardData

Craig



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Re: Live search box

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

Hi.

When you change an ordinary property, you set it to a new value:

set the width of btn 3 to 50.

A custom property is "filled" in the same way:

set the rawText of me to chapterOneOfDonQuixote

Custom properties are created just like variables; you just do it. Try this.
make a new button named "XYZ", and:

set the albertEinstein of btn "XYZ" to "E=MC^2"

Now go into the property inspector and look at the custom property pane. Or
you can always:

answer the albertEinstein of btn "XYZ".

Custom properties can hold any value of any kind of any size. They survive
sessions, unlike global variables, and do not have to be declared.

Go practice.

Craig



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Re: Live search box

[Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode]

Thank you very much Cray,

Your solution is very useful and works perfectly, but now I have another 
problem.


How could I fill out with texts this custom property ("rawText') by script?

My application is multi-language (English, Spanish and French), so when 
someone clicks on the language button, this custom property must be 
filled with the different data of the different languages.

I cannot see how to do that on the Livecode Dictionary.

Best,
Hery


On 04/30/2018 10:54 PM, dunbarx via use-livecode wrote:

Hi.

This is fun to do. Make two fields. In the target field, the one you will
type into, set a custom property "rawText" to some long list of words,
perhaps chapter 1 of your favorite novel. It is a good idea to strip all
punctation from that text before setting the prop.

In that field, place this handler:

on keyDown tKey
if the length of me > 2 then put line lineOffset(me,the rawText of me) of
the rawText of me into fld 2
pass keydown
end keyDown

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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Bernard Devlin via use-livecode]

I've been using the final version of LC9 on Windows 7.  I don't have these
kinds of problems with any other program.  I didn't notice it with earlier
DP versions on the same machine (although admittedly I would leap-frog over
many DP point versions, so I can't say at what point this problem was
introduced).

In the default install it is so slow it is unusable.  I switched off many
of the recent auto-complete, live error, etc. features, and it became more
usable.

On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 12:12 AM, Andre Garzia via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> I use LC 9 on a Surface Pro 4 Machine, it is almost unusable. Everything is
> as slow as molasses. Typing a script sometimes takes many seconds to
> respond and it even goes as far as missing keystrokes. Trying to drag and
> drop stuff onto the stack is also horrible. I don't have any plugins
> anymore, this is a fresh install.
>
> I've been using this machine as my main machine for more than a year. LC is
> so slow for me (on a fast machine) that I go for my old mac sometimes to
> work. I have the impression that I am the only windows user here.
>
> On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
>
> > Ralph DiMola wrote:
> >
> > > I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
> > > Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this.
> > > Do you want to report it or should I?
> >
> > I had put off reporting it since I run Win only in VMs right now, and had
> > been thinking it was just me.
> >
> > If you have a native install it may carry more weight.  Even better if
> you
> > have anything more actionably specific than my current whingeing
> > abstraction, "it's slow".
> >
> > I'm trying to get some time for comparative unit tests, but this week I'm
> > up against some hairy deadlines so not sure when I can get those
> together.
> >
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Re: LC Web integration is not good enough

[Monte Goulding via use-livecode]

> On 2 May 2018, at 9:20 am, Andre Garzia  wrote:
> 
> The problem is that no web api expects an object with numeric keys, it 
> expects an honest, real, array. The fact that LC arrays are actually hashmaps 
> is awesome, I love them as well, but it still makes it impossible to export 
> arrays from LC which are really common on Web APIs. JSONExport library should 
> check if the keys of a given array level are all numeric and cast it to a 
> list type.

I think that’s what Mark ended up agreeing with on the bug report. JSONExport 
probably needs a LCB API does what you expect with the types it is passed and a 
LCS API that does some of this fudging like checking if a string is a number of 
if it’s true or false or an array is a list… etc.
> 
> Thats is what I say when RunRev web integration is not good enough. They 
> provide a json import and export function but it doesn't work well enough for 
> you to call any API that expects an array... We always go like 70% or 80% of 
> the way in a feature and then there is a new LC Infinite Ultra Campaign to 
> get some new stuff in when the current stuff is not yet ready.

You did see what I wrote about ArrayToJSON? It’s included in LiveCode also and 
is also significantly faster than JSONExport.
> 
> Same thing with executing JS inside a WebView Widget, we need to use the "do 
> in widget" statement but this doesn't have a way to bind values, so you end 
> up assembling a JS string by hand in hopes that you got all the correct 
> quotes right because you need to inline all params as literal objects...

Can you open a feature request for this. I presume you mean:

do “something(:1,:2)” in widget “foo” with “bar”,”baz”

Seems quite feasible. The best way to get what you want is to ask for it ;-)

Cheers

Monte
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Re: LC Web integration is not good enough

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

Monte,

The problem is that no web api expects an object with numeric keys, it
expects an honest, real, array. The fact that LC arrays are actually
hashmaps is awesome, I love them as well, but it still makes it impossible
to export arrays from LC which are really common on Web APIs. JSONExport
library should check if the keys of a given array level are all numeric and
cast it to a list type.

Thats is what I say when RunRev web integration is not good enough. They
provide a json import and export function but it doesn't work well enough
for you to call any API that expects an array... We always go like 70% or
80% of the way in a feature and then there is a new LC Infinite Ultra
Campaign to get some new stuff in when the current stuff is not yet ready.

Same thing with executing JS inside a WebView Widget, we need to use the
"do in widget" statement but this doesn't have a way to bind values, so you
end up assembling a JS string by hand in hopes that you got all the correct
quotes right because you need to inline all params as literal objects...

:-(

On Mon, Apr 30, 2018 at 10:42 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On 1 May 2018, at 11:29 am, Mark Wieder via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 04/30/2018 03:15 PM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode wrote:
> >> Andre,
> >> I'm using JSONToArray and ArrayToJSON for round trip with no problems.
> I'm
> >> storing an LC config array in a JSON text file, then later read the file
> >> back into an LC array. The only criticism I have is the formatting of
> the
> >> JSON in the text file could be better for manual changes with a text
> editor.
> >> Other than that it faithfully saves/recreates the LC array.
> >
> > ... as long as you don't have to deal with JSON lists.
> >
> > https://quality.livecode.com/show_bug.cgi?id=19698
>
> ArrayToJSON deals with JSON list differently to JSONExport. ArrayToJSON
> uses mergJSON which checks if the array keys are a numeric sequence and
> assumes it’s a list. There is a way to force it to be an object if
> required.
>
> JSONExport on the other hand is done in LCB and LCB has a proper list
> type. The issue is when passing a LCS array to LCB there is no way for the
> engine to know for sure if your array is a list or map so it keeps it as a
> map with string keys. In the long run if we ever get proper lists in LCS
> then JSONExport will likely do as you are expecting.
>
> Cheers
>
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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Warren Samples via use-livecode]

On 04/30/2018 11:43 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm 
curious: do you folks use them?


FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web 
browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to 
get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having 
another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, 
though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.


I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and 
which OS you're on.


--
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  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web




I recently switched from openSUSE to Antergos, but it's still Linux and 
still KDE Plasma5 as my DE. Always multiple desktops and like you, a 
couple dedicated ones and a couple freelance desktops.


I have window rules that will send particular app windows to particular 
desktops regardless of where I am when they are opened. Depending on 
what the window manager allows, this could be a way to avoid the 
inconvenience that Mark Wieder mentions.


I did have the same kind of issues that Ralph DiMola mentions with some 
Livecode stuff showing up on all desktops, but it was a long time ago 
and I can't remember if it was under KDE4 or Gnome 2. I don't see this 
any more under Linux and KDE.


Warren

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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Andre Garzia via use-livecode]

I use LC 9 on a Surface Pro 4 Machine, it is almost unusable. Everything is
as slow as molasses. Typing a script sometimes takes many seconds to
respond and it even goes as far as missing keystrokes. Trying to drag and
drop stuff onto the stack is also horrible. I don't have any plugins
anymore, this is a fresh install.

I've been using this machine as my main machine for more than a year. LC is
so slow for me (on a fast machine) that I go for my old mac sometimes to
work. I have the impression that I am the only windows user here.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:06 PM, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Ralph DiMola wrote:
>
> > I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
> > Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this.
> > Do you want to report it or should I?
>
> I had put off reporting it since I run Win only in VMs right now, and had
> been thinking it was just me.
>
> If you have a native install it may carry more weight.  Even better if you
> have anything more actionably specific than my current whingeing
> abstraction, "it's slow".
>
> I'm trying to get some time for comparative unit tests, but this week I'm
> up against some hairy deadlines so not sure when I can get those together.
>
>
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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

Possibly.

Although if 'multiple desktops' (whether capitalised or not) IS treated 
as a feature, then 'multiple desktops' IS singular.


If, however, one is counting multiple desktops (I have 4 on my main 
Linux box) then 'multiple desktops' ARE plural.


Of course, this could be a case of splitting hair, or, alternatively, 
splitting hairs: depending on whether one treats

'hair' as a count noun or as a mass (and, hence, non-count) noun.

And I could rabbit (or, possibly, 'hare')  on like this for ages.

But, as one grows older and one's hair recedes (or one's hairs fall 
out), this proves increasingly tiring and tiresome.


And a Happy Fag-End of May 1, the unemployed persons' holiday, to you.

Richmond.

On 1/5/2018 11:44 pm, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is...

:-)


On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
 wrote:


HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
(Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
  implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

It may have been better then to use The "Multiple Desktops" feature is... 

:-)

> On May 1, 2018, at 08:31 , Brian Milby via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
>> HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
>> (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
>>  implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.


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Re: Live search box

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I wasn't the one asking for anything. :-)

Bob S


> On May 1, 2018, at 10:00 , dunbarx via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> "I already have that."
> 
> Hmmm. Then what is it that you are asking?
> 
> Craig


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

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On 05/01/2018 08:31 AM, Brian Milby via use-livecode wrote:


I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not
used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once.


The only thing I would caution there is that multiple VMs tend to use 
huge amounts of computer resources. You have to be very careful when 
allocating CPU time and memory or the native system will spend all its 
time swapping back and forth instead of letting you get anything done.




I also use multiple desktops all the time on linux. I don't spend enough 
time on other platforms to need them elsewhere. But I have my main 
desktop allocated to email and web browser and a second window allocated 
to LiveCode. The LC desktop is spread across two monitors with one given 
to the menubar, devolution, tools and the stack I'm working on; and the 
second monitor used for the script editor, browser, message box.


If I try to switch desktops while LC is starting up (getting impatient 
since the startup takes so long) then some items end up in one desktop 
and some in the other. That's annoying, and they can (usually) be 
swapped but normally I find it easier to close and reopen.


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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Ralph DiMola wrote:

> I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
> Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this.
> Do you want to report it or should I?

I had put off reporting it since I run Win only in VMs right now, and 
had been thinking it was just me.


If you have a native install it may carry more weight.  Even better if 
you have anything more actionably specific than my current whingeing 
abstraction, "it's slow".


I'm trying to get some time for comparative unit tests, but this week 
I'm up against some hairy deadlines so not sure when I can get those 
together.


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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Brian Milby wrote:

> I would say that running on “iron” is probably not necessary to see
> this.
> If you full screen the VM and actually work as if it were a physical
> machine you would notice.

The benefit of doing IDE work on iron is that it avoids the temptation 
to just shut the VM down and get back to the host OS. :)


I know the team works extensively with multiple OSes, sometimes in VMs, 
and sometimes on iron.  But it's difficult to imagine they have a sort 
of "Non-Mac Workday" weekly work policy and don't see these many things 
that unfortunately define much of the LiveCode experience on non-Mac 
platforms.


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Re: LC Web integration is not good enough

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 04/30/2018 06:42 PM, Monte Goulding via use-livecode wrote:


ArrayToJSON deals with JSON list differently to JSONExport. ArrayToJSON uses 
mergJSON which checks if the array keys are a numeric sequence and assumes it’s 
a list. There is a way to force it to be an object if required.


Ah, right. Thanks. It was indeed JSONExport (or more properly 
JSONImport) I was thinking of.


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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

I would say that running on “iron” is probably not necessary to see this.
If you full screen the VM and actually work as if it were a physical
machine you would notice.
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:45 PM Knapp Martin via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> This makes me curious to know - what about apps built with LC 9 for
> Windows? Are they really sluggish too? Or is it just in the IDE?
>
> Marty
>
> > On May 1, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode <
> use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
> > Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this. Do
> you
> > want to report it or should I?
> >
> > Ralph DiMola
> > IT Director
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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Knapp Martin via use-livecode]

This makes me curious to know - what about apps built with LC 9 for Windows? 
Are they really sluggish too? Or is it just in the IDE?

Marty

> On May 1, 2018, at 10:43 AM, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
> Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this. Do you
> want to report it or should I?
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
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RE: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

I have not reported it. I wasn't sure that my setup (VMs/bloated Adobe
Products...) was causing it. It's time to open a QCC report on this. Do you
want to report it or should I?

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net


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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:37 PM
To: use-livecode@lists.runrev.com
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

Ralph DiMola wrote:
 > I'm on a Win 10 VM using a raid array for my VHD. At times autocorrect  >
causes editing long scripts(2000+) to get on the other side of  >
prohibitively slow. Other times it's OK. Don't have a recipe yet. How  > do
you turn off autocorrect again? Populating text fields is 5-10%  > slower
than v8. Taking 5 - 10 seconds to Launch LC seems slow until I  > launch
Photoshop or InDesign and lose a few minutes of my life that I  > will never
get back. Launching is not an issue for me. Richard, What  > is slow for
you? PB, control creation, scrolling, editing or running  > scripts... or
yes?

Yes. ;)

I haven't found any one thing that's particularly slow.  Or more accurately,
I haven't found one thing that feels at all as performant as on Mac or
Linux.

Scrolling the Script Editor, typing in any field, populating fields from a
DB, waiting for the Project Browser to update - pretty much the whole
workflow of my day in LC on Win is painful, compared to the easy breezy
experience I get on Linux and Mac.

Is there a bug report on this?  Is this something the team is working on?

Does the IDE staff spend at least some of their time each week working in
Windows on iron?

With an 85% desktop share, it seems worth whatever inconveniences keep them
mostly on Macs.

Just one full day on Windows each week would be so illuminating, these lags
wouldn't survive long.

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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Graham Samuel wrote:

> I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a
> technophobe - would multiples help or not?
>
> Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous.

Working at the edge of our comfort zone is what expands our comfort zone.

Or as my acquaintances at the Los Angeles Adventurers' Club like to say, 
"Adventure begins when you realize you no longer know what to do and may 
be in danger. Everything before that is just a vacation." :)


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Re: Live search box

[dunbarx via use-livecode]

"I already have that."

Hmmm. Then what is it that you are asking?

Craig



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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Richard Gaskin via use-livecode]

Ralph DiMola wrote:
> I'm on a Win 10 VM using a raid array for my VHD. At times autocorrect
> causes editing long scripts(2000+) to get on the other side of
> prohibitively slow. Other times it's OK. Don't have a recipe yet. How
> do you turn off autocorrect again? Populating text fields is 5-10%
> slower than v8. Taking 5 - 10 seconds to Launch LC seems slow until I
> launch Photoshop or InDesign and lose a few minutes of my life that I
> will never get back. Launching is not an issue for me. Richard, What
> is slow for you? PB, control creation, scrolling, editing or running
> scripts... or yes?

Yes. ;)

I haven't found any one thing that's particularly slow.  Or more 
accurately, I haven't found one thing that feels at all as performant as 
on Mac or Linux.


Scrolling the Script Editor, typing in any field, populating fields from 
a DB, waiting for the Project Browser to update - pretty much the whole 
workflow of my day in LC on Win is painful, compared to the easy breezy 
experience I get on Linux and Mac.


Is there a bug report on this?  Is this something the team is working on?

Does the IDE staff spend at least some of their time each week working 
in Windows on iron?


With an 85% desktop share, it seems worth whatever inconveniences keep 
them mostly on Macs.


Just one full day on Windows each week would be so illuminating, these 
lags wouldn't survive long.


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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Graham Samuel via use-livecode]

I use a Mac with an additional monitor and have been content with that, but 
lately I have been bitten by the bug in LC which doesn’t allow the multiple 
monitor setup to reflect the real-world relationship between the screens, so 
multiple monitors might help. Just upgraded my Windows VM to 10, no call for 
multiple desktops yet.

I have another problem, which is another user who is a bit of a technophobe - 
would multiples help or not?

Richard’s example makes me think I should be more adventurous.

Graham 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 1 May 2018, at 16:42, Ralph DiMola via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops,
> RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to
> stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on
> all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been
> using a multiple VMs instead.
> 
> Ralph DiMola
> IT Director
> Evergreen Information Services
> rdim...@evergreeninfo.net
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-boun...@lists.runrev.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM
> To: How to use LiveCode
> Cc: Richard Gaskin
> Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops
> 
> Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
> curious: do you folks use them?
> 
> FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser
> in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad
> hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance
> of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've
> started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.
> 
> I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which
> OS you're on.
> 
> --
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>  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
>  
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Re: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

[Jason Chan via use-livecode]

I run LC9 on actual windows machine and I have the same problem too.

Whenever I edit or save or even just naviagating long scripts, 1000+
lines , with the live error and autocomplete on, there is a long lag
between actions.


The IDE is also extremely slow when I am in debug mode or when I
perform actions that creates multiple controls in real time.


It seems like having the message box open causes LC9 IDE to go from
slow to prohibitively slow. With the message box open, the entire IDE,
mostly the script editor becomes painfully slow to a point that it is
basically impossible to code. The solution to "fix" this is to go to
message box -> pending message -> close the message box. Closing
message box itself without going to pending message does not help.


I mostly develop on LC 8 now because LC 9 is just too slow to work on.


Jason Chan

Canela Software

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From: use-livecode [mailto:use-livecode-bounces at lists.runrev.com
] On Behalf
Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Monday, April 30, 2018 7:45 PM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: LC on Windows - slow for others or just me?

Okay, granted, I usually run Win 10 in a VM.

But every other program seems pretty snappy, barely distinguishable from a
bare-metal install.

And then there's LiveCode.  I'm running v9, and it's slower than molasses in
winter.

Is this just my setup, or are other Windows users finding LiveCode 9 at the
edge of prohibitively slow on Win10?

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Re: Live search box

[Mark Wieder via use-livecode]

On 05/01/2018 08:01 AM, Bob Sneidar via use-livecode wrote:

I already have that. I call it FindBar.


Oooo... that would have been handy for the last pub crawl.

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RE: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Ralph DiMola via use-livecode]

On Win 10 the taskbar icons get scrambled when switching between desktops,
RDT's are unexpectedly focused causing the "switch desktop" key combo to
stop working. The LC tool pallet and a plug-in in pallet mode both appear on
all desktops. I'm not keen on multiple desktops at this point. I've been
using a multiple VMs instead.

Ralph DiMola
IT Director
Evergreen Information Services
rdim...@evergreeninfo.net

-Original Message-
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Of Richard Gaskin via use-livecode
Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2018 12:44 AM
To: How to use LiveCode
Cc: Richard Gaskin
Subject: Informal survey: multiple desktops

Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
curious: do you folks use them?

FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web browser
in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend to get used ad
hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like having another instance
of LC, or a graphics tool, etc.  This is on Ubuntu, though lately I've
started using multiple desktops on Windows as well.

I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and which
OS you're on.

--
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  Fourth World Systems
  Software Design and Development for the Desktop, Mobile, and the Web
  
  ambassa...@fourthworld.comhttp://www.FourthWorld.com

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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Brian Milby via use-livecode]

I use them on my Mac all the time. Chrome, Atom, SourceTree, terminals on
one and usually switch to another for LiveCode. I also put a compiled
version of LC on another desktop to easily switch between production and
compiled. Have not started using them on Windows yet, but would anticipate
putting LC on its own. I only use Linux for testing (in a VM), so have not
used them there. I’m more likely to have a couple Linux VMs open at once.
On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 1:51 AM Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason:
>
> On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of
> real-estate),
>
> and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have
> single monitors.
>
> I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once.
>
> HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
> (Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
>   implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.
>
> I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help
> other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some
> small problem on their systems.
>
> Richmond.
>
> On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
> > Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm
> > curious: do you folks use them?
> >
> > FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web
> > browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend
> > to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like
> > having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on
> > Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows
> > as well.
> >
> > I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and
> > which OS you're on.
> >
>
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Re: Live search box

[Bob Sneidar via use-livecode]

I already have that. I call it FindBar. It's a group of objects, and all the 
code and constants are in the field object. I can send you a stack. Currently 
it works with sqlYoga accessed databases and a datagrid, but you can peruse the 
code and see how the findbar hot typing works, then decide how you want to 
proceed after that. 

Bob S


> On Apr 30, 2018, at 18:35 , Heriberto Torrado via use-livecode 
>  wrote:
> 
> /Dear Livecode programmers,
> 
> My customer changed his mind and now they would like to have this:
> 
> "...if you can create a "search like" box when the customer would find his 
> condition by typing the 2 or 3 first letters  and selecting the right one by 
> clicking on it (like the google search results)...".


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Re: Scott Rossi and TactileMedia

[Lagi Pittas via use-livecode]

Hi All,

I too think Scotts stuff is a cut above. I bought tm1 and 2 with no usage
in mind just because they looked so good - they were never used
just played with, somewhere in that code there are going to be nuggets for
the future.

If you go to tactilemedia now it goes to scottrossi.design - (talk about
bleeding edge "we don't need no steeenkin dot coms"

but if  you go to http://tactilemedia.com/blog/ all his clever artistry is
there to download for posterity.

To be honest these articles and stack should be on the resources  on
livecode.com - they show what you can do with a "baby language" (one of my
colleagues when he saw the "put a into b" of livecode)

"There are none so blind as those who program in C"  - Lagi Pittas

Regards Lagi



On 1 May 2018 at 04:51, Todd Fabacher via use-livecode <
use-livecode@lists.runrev.com> wrote:

> Hi Alex,
>
> You asked:
>
> Can you say if you have any plans to produce versions of your widgets for
> non-mobile
> platforms? - YES, 100%. It is true we are looking at mobile for the moment,
> but we are looking to all platforms if possible.
>
> TMAlign - is more an IDE tool and not a widget, but I will take a look
>
> Thanks,
>
> Todd Fabacher
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Re: Informal survey: multiple desktops

[Richmond Mathewson via use-livecode]

All the time on Linux and never on Mac, for a very simple reason:

On my single Mac computer I have 2 socking great monitors (bags of 
real-estate),


and on all my Linux boxes (more than you could shake a stick at) I have 
single monitors.


I much prefer having 2 (or more) monitors so I can see everything at once.

HOWEVER, I should say that I don't like the way multiple desktops is
(Yes, that's grammatically correct: think about it)
 implemented on post Mac OS 10.5 systems.

I don't use Windows at all beyond a "walk on the wild side" when I help
other people (mainly unsuspecting puypils of mine) sorted out some
small problem on their systems.

Richmond.

On 1/5/2018 7:43 am, Richard Gaskin via use-livecode wrote:
Now that Windows, Mac, and Linux all offer multiple desktop, I'm 
curious: do you folks use them?


FWIW here's how I often work: I tend to open my email client and web 
browser in workspace 1, then LC on workspace 2.  Spaces 3 and 4 tend 
to get used ad hoc when there's something I need to focus on, like 
having another instance of LC, or a graphics tool, etc. This is on 
Ubuntu, though lately I've started using multiple desktops on Windows 
as well.


I would be interested in learning how you folks use your desktops, and 
which OS you're on.




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